Peace in The Waking World

Dear Friends and Loved Ones,

Our earlier message, in which we provided the address for the California parole board and the name of its chairman, was intended for those among you who might be inclined to write a letter protesting the manner in which my parole hearing last month was conducted. I would not presume to suggest that you write such a letter. We provided the information simply by way of opening an avenue for expressing directly to the chief of parole hearings the disappointment, frustration, critical opinions, indignation, dismay, etc., regarding the hearing that many of you have expressed in writing to me.

Some of you have written to ask for guidance in writing a letter to the parole board. To that I would say, simply, write whatever is on your heart to say . . . or not, as the case may be. Nothing you say to that agency in a letter can do me harm, so, if you write one, be fearless.

I can certainly relate to the frustration and dismay many of you have expressed. To be confronted, after all these years, by such obstinate refusal to examine with honesty and integrity the evidence of my 41 years prison history, and the progression to the mature understanding of my responsibility that it represents, makes the hearing I recently experienced almost completely incomprehensible. The level of prejudice was beyond the pale. That the presiding commissioner would prevent me (twice, in two consecutive hearings) from making a closing statement that would demonstrate my having come to terms with the full magnitude of my responsibility to the man whose life I took and everyone affected by my actions, 41 years ago, makes a mockery of the very definition of a parole hearing.

A transcript of the hearing would be helpful in conveying to you a better sense of what happened. Unfortunately, the hearing record won’t be made available until after the decision in the hearing becomes final. By that time the outside chance that letters might have some influence on the final decision will have passed. The best I can offer is my assurance that what I have related to you is accurate.

There were no holes in the presentation that was prepared for the hearing. This included a comprehensive history of educational, vocational, and insight development programs I’ve availed myself of, all of the work that I’ve done over the years, as well as personal creative endeavors, and long-term involvement in youth outreach. The numerous letters of support from family, friends, citizens of the world community, and corrections officials, included solid employment offers and affirmed residences in two states. There were no new misconducts, and in fact a disciplinary report that had been an issue in the previous hearing had since been expunged from my record in the interest of justice. Since the previous hearing I had even added a couple of new college courses to my resume.

All of this was lost on the presiding commissioner and his assistant. They were obviously more interested in using my hearing to take a remote swipe at Manson, with references to crimes I was in no way involved in, and could not have been involved in, than in giving me a fair hearing on the merits of my own case history.

So, yes, there are some significant reasons for all of us to feel some frustration and dismay at this juncture.

Don’t hesitate to put you views and feelings into writing, if you are inclined to do so. Here, again, is the address:

CDCR – Board of Parole Hearings
ATTN: Robert Doyle, Chairman
P.O. Box 4036
Sacramento, CA 95812-4036

The problem with California’s parole board, it seems to me, is that over the past couple of decades it has increasingly become insulated in the state’s political morass. It won’t hurt the people involved in that agency to be reminded by private citizens – including you citizens in other countries – of the principles they were appointed to uphold.

I was a bit surprised by the resounding response to the reservations I had expressed in my earlier message, in regards to writing my book. Many of you wrote words of encouragement, for which I am grateful. Be assured that I am empowered with fresh resolve to devote my energies to whittling away until the book has fully taken shape, without getting hung up in where the chips may fall. There is a story that must be told and (as more than one of you said) there isn’t anyone else who can do it. Doing what is the right thing to do with dedication to the highest principle naturally means letting go of concerns about perceptions or possible outcomes. Damn the torpedoes!

Peace in the waking world, peace in dreams, peace in the deepest level of being.

Bobby

Making Up Lies for Attention

A Letter From Barbara Hoyt
copyright 2000 by
Barbara Hoyt

Dear Board of Prison Terms:

My name is Barbara Hoyt. I was a prosecution witness in the many Manson trials, including the Shorty Shea murder trials. I testified against Bruce Davis, Steve Grogan, and Charles Manson.

I have now 30 years later watched the parole hearings for Bruce Davis and read the transcripts for Steve Grogan, provided to me by Bill Nelson. Both of them have grossly misrepresented the facts to you. About a week or two after the Aug. 16, 69 sheriff’s raid at Sphan's ranch, in the afternoon, I was sitting on a rock in the parking area in front of the boardwalk. Near me were Brenda, Gypsy, and Squeeky. One of them said, as Shorty walked towards George Sphan's house, "there goes Shorty snooping around again" and another one answered her " yea well, he'll be taken care of."

One night not long after, I went to go to sleep in one of the trailers at the back of the ranch overlooking the creek bed below. At about 10 o’clock at night, just as I laid my head on the pillow, I heard a long, loud, blood curdling scream, which came from about 50-75 feet away from me from up stream. Then it was quiet for a minute or so, and then the screams came again, and again, again, again,....They seemed to go on forever.

I recognized the screams of Shorty's voice. I can still hear those screams today, exactly as I heard them that night. I have absolutely no doubt that Shorty was being murdered at that time.

Early the next morning, I asked Gypsy, who was in the Rock City Cafe at the ranch house end of the board walk if she had heard Shorty screaming last night, and she told me very sternly that Shorty had gone to San Francisco. Later that morning Charlie was bragging to Danny DeCarlo about how "Shorty committing suicide with a little help from us." Charlie went on to say " I stabbed him and Shorty asked, "Why Charlie? Why?" and I told him this is why! And I stabbed him again, that he was real hard to kill when we brought him to NOW. That we all kept stabbing him until Clem cut his head off!. And we cut him up into 9 pieces and buried him around the ranch."

He asked Danny "if lye or lime would get rid of the body." I was only a couple of feet away from Danny at the time and Charlie knew that I was there.

I didn't see the murder even thought I did try to look out that window and obviously I don't know exactly how they killed Shorty but his death must have been very painful to make him scream as he did. But I do know that Shorty was killed at about 10 o’clock at night, under a full moon, and not in the afternoon as the killers are telling you. I also know that the murder occurred about 50+ feet up stream from the ranch and not the mile or so down Santa Susanna Pass road again as the killers are telling you.

Bruce has told you that he was afraid of the family, and that he was afraid of Tex. This is a blatant lie, because Bruce was older and vying for a leadership role in the family, or at least a second in command to Charlie.

He was the only other male to have worn Charlie’s embroidered vest. He lectured like Charlie when Charlie was not there. Other members in the family killed more people for Charlie but knowing that the family was committing murders, Bruce wanted to lead them.

I am well aware that the body of Shorty Shea was recovered intact and was not dismembered as Charlie had claimed. And that his body was located about where they claimed to have killed him. They may have buried him there but it is not where he was killed.

I am against Bruce Davis getting a parole date for 3 reasons:

1. Because he wanted to be a family leader even though he knew the family was committing murder {i.e. Gary Hinman} and not just to follow Charlie.
2. He is lying even to this day about the time and place of the murder.
3. I believe he is lying about fearing Tex, people in the family were more afraid of Bruce than Tex.

I find it curious that even as he professes to be a Christian today that he is still lying to you.

Thank you for considering my letter and I request my address not be revealed to the inmate or to his attorney (who would give him that information) Bruce M. Davis parole Hearing 2-2-2000 at CMC.

Respectfully yours,

Barbara Hoyt

Talking Turkey

Look, it's obvious, they AIN'T GETTING OUT ever. The Bug wrote in the back of the novel that the girls would get out in 25 years. But even with the BUG approving of Susan's release, hopping out the door on one leg like some sort of refugee from Watership Down, it didn't happen. And you know why, really? Because nobody CARES anymore. Does that sound oxymoronic? It actually isn't. Follow the bouncing Colonel.

The Family started 44 fucking years ago. The murders were 41 years ago, the trials were 40 years ago. That's 179 in Panda Years. I mean it was forever ago. These killers were YOUNG ass back there and they are living forever. But it was also a different world. If you got in your DeLorean and went back there you wouldn't last a day. Might as well go back to 1066. Kids today don't remember Reagan. Palin shows up and you compare her to McCarthy and people are like "ummm what?" It's like the guy who was in the Tower of London dungeon for decades (I'm making this up but you'll follow it.) because the King put him there for jaywalking. It's like three Kings later, no one knows why he's there, but they ain't gonna be the ones to let him out just in case THEY catch shit. They don't CARE enough to even deal with it.

According to the law they all should be out. No, idiot about to yell at me, that doesn't mean they belong out or I want them out. The law says they are entitled to Parole. The brilliant Catch 22 that has sprung up is "You want out, which means you aren't sorry so we won't let you out. Only by agreeing to stay here to we believe you are sorry." Like in Life of Brian - "I'm not the Messiah...only the true Messiah denies his divinity." They can't win. One does wonder why they show up.

But if Sadie didn't get out, what chance do the rest of them have? Katie killed more people and though she didn't dance in a pregnant woman's blood volume doesn't get you a discount. Leslie had a meeting with JimNY which is enough to keep her locked up for life, with daily horsewhippings. Charlie's happy being the bad man. Bobby would like to be out but that whole story is so confused who knows. Bruce is the Zodiac Killer and probably killed John Lennon psychically....

Sorry I came undone. They are never getting out NOT because of who they killed but because whoever lets them out lets out a Mansonite. And this will never do. So aside from some special face time in which Debra can weep and rewrite history, the hearings are a parade.

What I would LOVE is for one of them to say next time, "You are right I don't deserve to be out, I skip the hearing" and then for their lawyer to say- "Aha, they are sorry, let them out." But that would be too easy....

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One commenter recently asked me what I meant by the BUG perjury. That person should go read the rest of the blog going back years now.

1- The BUG didn't need to present a motive to win the case. He had the actual killers cold with real evidence. He didn't have Charlie because, well he didn't kill anybody. So he concocted a motive and sold it to the jury. Any person with a brain can see that today. It's obvious. And Aaron Stovitz told me himself.
2- The BUG testified under oath that he didn't bring the LA TIMES with the Nixon headline into the courtroom. He did.
3- The BUG wrote a book which is self-serving and full of clear lies.

He also stalked his milkman for allegedly fucking his wife and beat up his mistress.

Fuck the Bug.

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I will review the MANSON NOW book. Suffice it to say it has nothing new to add.

Not Sure About the Nephew Weeping about the Uncle He Never met, but anyway....

Charlie Manson follower Krenwinkel denied parole

By LINDA DEUTSCH
AP Special Correspondent

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/20/v-print/2024644/manson-follower-faces-parole-hearing.html#ixzz1BdlLnWrS

In a decision suggesting that the brutal Sharon Tate murders are unforgivable, a parole board panel refused to consider releasing Patricia Krenwinkel, who told the board she killed for the love of Charles Manson.

The two-member panel made clear Thursday that it was the horror of the killings, one of the most notorious of the 20th century, that led them to reject the bid for parole in spite of Krenwinkel's efforts to change her life.

They said that the murders of seven people in an extremely atrocious manner had impacted the entire world as evidenced by letters which came in from around the globe urging that she be kept behind bars.

"These crimes remain relevant," said parole commissioner Susan Melanson. "The public is in fear."

Melanson and Deputy Commissioner Steven Hernandez issued their decision after a four-hour hearing and more than an hour of deliberations at which Krenwinkel wept, apologized for her murderous deeds and said she was ashamed of her actions.

Members of victims' families also cried and recalled their suffering after the murders and called for her to be kept behind bars. Melanson said the notoriety of the crimes and their viciousness weighed heavily in the decision.

"This is a crime children grow up hearing about," she said, and noted that Krenwinkel failed to understand the worldwide impact.

"The panel concludes that she is not suitable for parole and would present an unreasonable danger if released," she said. She referred to seven victims who were brutally murdered over two nights in a crime which she said could be classified as a hate crime because of overtones of wanting to foment a race war.

"This was a depraved act by a group of individuals who find it difficult to explain their actions," she said.

The panel had the option to deny parole for up to 15 years. Melanson said they felt that was unnecessary and commended Krenwinkle for making progress in her life behind bars, participating in self-help programs and other positive contributions.

"While we want to commend you for the positive, you are unsuitable for parole and require an additional seven years of incarceration," she said.

Krenwinkel was told she could request a parole hearing earlier if her situation changes.

Krenwinkel, who has been imprisoned longer than any other woman in California, told the parole board earlier Thursday that she threw away everything good in herself and became a "monster" after she met Manson.

In reference to Krenwinkel's claim that she was seeking approval from Manson when she killed, Melanson said "The panel finds it hard to believe a person can participate in this level of crimes and can't identify anything but 'I wanted him to love me.'"

Krenwinkel, one of Manson's two surviving female followers, has maintained a clean prison record in her four decades behind bars, but her chances for release appeared slim following parole rejections in other Manson cases.

During her hearing, the 63-year-old was soft-spoken and contrite in response to board members' questions, describing the downward spiral of her life after she met Manson.

"Everything that was good and decent in me I threw away," she said.

It was her father, she said, who helped her realize during his visits to her in prison, "what had happened, and the monster I became."

She said she tells those she counsels in prison, "I am someone you would never have wanted to be, and here are the steps you can take to never go to the dark places I have been."

Krenwinkel's claim that she is rehabilitated was met by anger and opposition from Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira and families of the victims, who argued for Krenwinkel's continued incarceration.

"If she truly had remorse, she wouldn't come to these parole hearings, and would say, 'I accept the punishment,'" Sequeira said.

Debra Tate, sister of Sharon Tate, then tearfully recounted the pain her family endured from the killings. She denounced Krenwinkel for never having written a letter of apology to the families.

"I want to believe the human condition is capable of change," Tate said. "I believe in the possibility of reform. But I know what I am looking at, and I don't see it here."

She told the board through tears that, "Whatever decision you make I will live with. But every time I sit in this chair I have to think, what will happen if they come out? What will society do?"

Anthony Di Maria, the nephew of Jay Sebring, who was killed along with Tate, cried throughout his words to the board, and said the parole hearings "send us back to hell, year after year."

"I wish I had forgiveness to give," Di Maria said.

Krenwinkel was convicted along with Manson and two other female followers in seven 1969 murders, considered among the most notorious crimes of the 20th century.

None of those convicted has ever been paroled and one of them, Susan Atkins, died in prison last year after being denied compassionate release when she was terminally ill with cancer.

Leslie Van Houten, 61, the youngest of the women convicted, was long thought to be the most likely to win eventual release. But she was denied a parole date last summer by officials who said she had not gained sufficient insight into her crimes.

Parole boards have repeatedly cited the callousness, viciousness and calculation of the murders committed by members of the Manson Family.

Krenwinkel admitted during her trial that she chased down and stabbed heiress Abigail Folger at the Tate home on Aug. 9, 1969, and participated in the stabbing deaths of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca the following night. Both homes were defaced with bloody scrawlings. She was convicted along with Manson, Van Houten and Atkins. Another defendant, Charles "Tex" Watson was convicted in a separate trial.

All were sentenced to death but their sentences were commuted to life when the U.S. Supreme Court briefly outlawed the death penalty in 1972.

In her 40 years at the California Institution for Women, Krenwinkel has earned a bachelor's degree and participated in numerous self help programs as well as teaching illiterate prisoners how to read. In recent years, she has been involved in a program to train service dogs for the disabled.

She said she has made arrangements for the possibility that she could be released, and would change her name and leave the state.

Krenwinkel's lawyer, Keith Wattley, argued at the hearing that the law says if someone is serving life with the possibility of parole, they must be given parole unless they are deemed to be currently dangerous, which he said she is not.

Asked to make her own final case to the board, Krenwinkel wept profusely, wiping her eyes with a tissue, and said, "I'm just haunted each and every day by the unending suffering of the victims, the enormity and degree of suffering I've caused."

Her voice rising in the silent room, she nearly shouted, "I'm so ashamed of my actions. The victims had so much life left to live."

Cult leader Manson, now 75, refused to appear at his most recent parole hearings where he was denied a release date. His multiple disciplinary violations and refusals to participate in rehabilitation activities make it likely that he will never be released.

At times he has said that he does not want his freedom and considers prison his home.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/20/v-print/2024644/manson-follower-faces-parole-hearing.html#ixzz1BdkyR0JE

Linda Deutsch, Master of the Obvious

Charles Manson follower Patricia Krenwinkel has slim chance at parole

Linda Deutsch

CORONA, Calif. - A follower of Charles Manson who has been imprisoned longer than any other woman in California is facing a parole hearing on her conviction in the Sharon Tate killings.

Grey-haired Patricia Krenwinkel, one of Manson's two surviving female followers, has maintained a clean prison record in her four decades behind bars, but her chances for release appear slim following the parole officials' rejections in other Manson cases.

Krenwinkel, 63, was convicted along with Manson and two other female followers in seven 1969 murders, considered among the most notorious crimes of the 20th Century.

None of those convicted has ever been paroled and one of them, Susan Atkins, died in prison last year after being denied compassionate

In this photo taken Tuesday Jan. 18, 2011, released by the California Institution for Women showing Patricia Krenwinkel, one of two surviving women followers of Charles Manson involved in the Sharon Tate killings. Krenwinkel, faces a parole hearing Thursday Jan. 20,2011. After four decades behind bars, she is the longest incarcerated woman in the California prison system. (AP Photo/California Institution for Women)

release when she was terminally ill with cancer.

Leslie Van Houten, 61, the youngest of the women convicted, was long thought to be the most likely to win eventual release. But she was denied a parole date last summer by officials who said she had not gained sufficient insight into her crimes.

Parole boards have repeatedly cited the callousness, viciousness and calculation of the seven murders committed by members of the Manson Family.

Krenwinkel admitted during her trial that she chased down and stabbed heiress Abigail Folger at the Tate home on Aug. 9, 1969 and participated in the stabbing deaths of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca the following night. Both homes were defaced with bloody scrawlings. She was convicted along with Manson, Van Houten and Atkins. Another defendant, Charles "Tex" Watson was convicted in a separate trial.

All were sentenced to death but their sentences were commuted to life when the U.S. Supreme Court briefly outlawed the death penalty in 1972.

In her 40 years at the California Institution for Women, Krenwinkel has earned a bachelor's degree and participated in numerous self help programs as well as teaching illiterate prisoners how to read. In recent years, she has been involved in a program to train service dogs for the disabled.

She has had a discipline-free record in prison. But so have a number of other Manson followers who have been refused parole. Last year, a number of them came before parole panels but were turned away.

Manson follower Bruce Davis was able to win a parole date only to have it revoked by former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger who said that his release would be a danger to society. The 67-year-old Davis was convicted of the 1969 murder of musician Gary Hinman but had no involvement in the Tate-LaBianca killings.

Robert Beausoleil, 63, also convicted in the Hinman murder, was denied parole last year and told to come back to the board in five years.

Cult leader Manson, 75, refused to appear at his most recent parole hearings where he was denied a release date. His multiple disciplinary violations and refusals to participate in rehabilitation activities make it likely that he will never be released. At times he has said that he does not want his freedom and considers prison his home.

Happy New Fear!

Because Fear Makes us More Aware, LOL.

I am trying to figure out why posts aren't posting when they should. But anyway....

People keep writing me about the evilliz blog. She's a bit loony but a nice enough loon. She seems focused on finding pictures of TLB Players since the case times...right up to modern times. That amount of work makes the Col's nut sack shrivel up in tears. I like the pictures of TJ, don't get me wrong. And the pictures of Ruth Ann, should they be real, are fascinating to look at. But the point of this, the ONLY Official TLB Blog, is to try to get to he truth of the crimes. A truth that has been lost thanks to the lies and perjury of Vinnie T. BUGliosi, the great lover of Latin music. If photos of modern day people are helpful, I will surely run them here. Steve Grogan, aka Adam Gabriel definitely knows more than he told. He still has yet to be charged for the LaBianca killings. He has a conviction for exposing himself to children. He is seen in the Hendrickson documentary endangering some kids. He disappears for years. Fine. When it comes out that he is in a band that plays children's parties, that IS news and relevant and we will discuss it here.

This has nothing to do with psycho Monkeyboy or two bit lawyers without actual offices. Ruth Ann likely could add many details to the story of the Family; she doesn't know shit about the murders. She's lived her life as far as I can tell well. If Liz or anyone wants to out her, I neither approve nor disapprove. I'm just not gonna do it. Nancy Pitman the same. As far as I know she didn't kill anyone and isn't still on the run. She likely did go back the first night to the Tate House, but this isn't a crime. She got lucky with a LOT of shit, especially the Stockton murders, but she paid her time. If Evil Liz wants to obsess about her, hey, I don't even know who Liz IS, not my problem. Also not my interest.

Cat's site is now the gold standard since Bret died. Her site is The Times of London. We're the New York Times. Liz is People magazine. All three have their place in the world.

The Triumphant (okay, not) Return of MONKEYBOY

December 24, 2010


Col,

I want to make sure that you're fully aware of what some of your blog members have been up in regards to the recent picture postings of Ruth Ann Moorehouse.

My understanding is that these pictures of Ruth Ann may have been acquired from screen caps of a wedding video of one of her sons. First of all, the very fact that these individuals, who all seem to be associated with YOU felt the need to stalk her sons accounts to acquire these images of Ruth Ann is just creepy unto itself. Secondly, I know for a fact that Ruth Ann did not give her permission for these photographs to be put up on display anywhere for people to just come in and copy them.

There's a right to privacy issue here that involves a woman who is living a "Normal" life and who is working and who is making her own living. This unwanted exposee that Elizabeth Russell aka "Evil Liz" from Connecticut is doing is a pure vanity play on her part that could do irreperable damage to Ruth Ann's life as well as the lives of her family.

We already went through this argument once before with Steve Grogan and we know that Steve lost his job as a result of someone else's overzealousness. I DON'T want to see that happen to Ruth Ann.

Why am i contacting you? Simple, because these people who are stirring things up are members of your blog. All of the problems in cyberspace that arise, in regards to this case, all seem to ripple back to your blog. Then again, being the "Head of the Snake", that comes as no surprise to me.

What i'd like to ask you to do is to stop Evil Liz from having any additional private wanking sessions to Ruth Ann's photographs and for Liz to re-open her blog to the public so that we know that she is complying with this request.

As i'm sure you may already know, I put up a video of Joshua Zelinsky on my page. We all know the story behind Joshua, as well as many others, whose names, addresses and phone numbers are in my possession. I hold YOU responsible for what happens to Ruth Ann and I want to make sure that you clearly understand where this is going.

If you do not talk some sense into Elizabeth Russell of Bristol / New Britain CT, then i will personally contact Joshua Zelinsky and we'll get this party started. I might even contact Philip Gronowski and wish him a Merry Christmas as well.

Do yourself a big favor - talk to Evil Liz and get her to stop this shit before things get out of hand.

Respectfully,

Jim
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Fucking Monkey actually wrote that on Xmas Eve- the sad sack of shit
My reply-

I do not know who Josh or phil are. I do know who you are. Very well indeed

1. I have nothing to do with the Liz blog
2 You are a stupid, moronic asshole who nobody likes. You should go eat a bag of shit and reflect upon that.

Repeat

Eat a bag 0f shit and pull yourself together.

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Hey Bigmouth,

Nobody likes me???? Boo Fucking Hoo. As if i really give a damn about any of you blog homo's.

You're all a bunch of tabloid junkies who drool over a case that nobody really gives a shit about anymore.

Even your boy "Bobby" got old on you, but i'll bet he still takes it in the ass and will continue to do so for the next "5" years.

The people who are on your blog are the scum of the earth. A bunch of self righteous little shits who jack off to STOLEN pictures because that's as close to the case, or anything new in this case, that they'll ever get to.

Your DYING blog is proof of that. It's nothing more than a waste of time that will yield you NOTHING.

I know YOU all too well also. You're a cocksucker, LITERALLY, but that comes as no surprise to me.

A few people that i actually thought were "Decent", turned out to be douchebags, but then most of the people who OBSESS over this case pretty much are just that.

Go read some books and see if you'll learn anything NEW - Which you WON'T.

NONE of the locked up MANSONITES will ever Get out so you will learn NOTHING.

It's over for you and your blog.

You're down to creepy crawling facebook pages for photographs - What a fucking bunch of LOSERS you people are. Really. That's just so pathectic.

Eat Shit and Die - Slowly.

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Monkeyboy- you are a homophobe apparently, delusion, fat, stupid and ugly. Really, take an overdose of something nasty and save some oxygen.

Energy Sapping

December 16,2010


Sisters and brothers, family, loved ones, friends . . .

The parole hearing occurred last Monday (Dec 13), as scheduled. It was an energy sapping experience. In the several days since then I have put my focus on restoring my energy levels and marshalling my thoughts for what I would say to you now. Keeping all of you in suspense was not my intent. I just needed to catch my breath, so to speak.

On the face of it the hearing did not go well at all. The best place to begin describing what happened is with a brief recap of my last hearing two years ago, because what happened this week was a carryover from that hearing.

The presiding parole board commissioner in the 2008 hearing was an unwavering adherent to the most grotesque pop culture rendition of the Manson mythology, who avowed to being “personally offended” by some of the rhetoric Manson has been described as espousing back in the sixties. I dislike making judgments of other people every bit as much as I dislike having judgments, misjudgments or prejudgments, applied to me. So I will confine this account to a characterization: Imagine a man with his fingers in his ears, blinders on his eyes, and his mouth moving unceasingly with fatuous refusal to brook any point of view but his own. There is just no breaking through such a density of egoism. To have one’s personal situation be at the mercy of that sort of willful ignorance is no easy thing to accept.

The 2008 hearing resulted in a five-year denial of parole. The hearing commissioner was determined to apply a new law that tripled the parole denial periods allowed under California law beyond what they had been, even though the new law had not yet been enacted. A few months later I learned that I had become the beneficiary of a class action lawsuit that I didn’t even know had been filed, challenging the premature application of the new law. The five-year denial in my 2008 hearing was modified to a two-year denial.

Attorney Steven Moretz volunteered, on a friendship basis, to represent me in the 2010 hearing. He is a good man, and a competent lawyer, and I was moved to accept his offer.

I was encouraged to make an all-out effort in preparation for this hearing. Steve spent uncounted hours researching the records and meticulously preparing a presentation for the hearing that included an accounting of all of my skills, accomplishments, community resources and support. Numerous letters (close to fifty) were received from my relations, friends, media industry professionals, and Oregon DOC administrators who have worked with me for many years – collectively making a powerful statement – and these were compiled into an impressive packet of supporting exhibits. I wrote myself notes for points that I wanted to raise during the hearing, and prepared a closing statement expressing my acceptance of responsibility for the choices I made and the actions I committed that exacted such a heavy price.

Last Monday morning my hearing was delayed about 40 minutes because the commissioner who had been scheduled to conduct the hearing – a fair man, reputedly – was replaced, literally at the last minute, by the same commissioner who had chaired the 2008 hearing. Again the fingers in the ears, the blinders the fatuous mouthings of unctuous gibberish. Frequently during the hearing, relevant remarks I attempted to offer were suppressed. Again, as in the 2008 hearing, I was not permitted to make the closing statement I had prepared. And at the end, with dogmatic references to crimes I was not and could not have been in any way involved in, the commissioner re-invoked that once-thwarted five year denial.

Although I made a commitment to put my best effort forward for this hearing, I did so without expectations, without hope, without fear. Consequently, my spirit is not crushed by the outcome. I am experiencing some disappointment, however. For many years I have held the belief that at some point the determination of circumstances would come into an arena where saner, more reasonable minds would prevail. At this point I’m wondering if holding onto such a belief is naïve.

My lawyer went at his preparations for the hearing, and the hearing itself, with an eye to taking the matter on appeal to the courts in the event I was not granted parole this time. I’m not an attorney, but it seems to me that the violations of due process in this hearing were so egregious that the record will easily support an effective writ. Taking something like this into court and following through carries significant expense, however, beyond what I can manage with the resources I currently have available to me. If anyone has any ideas about how I can earn some cash to pursue this relief, I’m open to suggestions.

My partner Barbara has told me many times, for years and years, that she believes I will not see the outside of a prison until I finish writing my book, and publish it, as a way of distinguishing myself from the popular mythology relating to that guy whose name we don’t need to mention again. This presents a problem for me on multiple levels. As much as I would love to do the one thing that would likely please my beloved Barbara the most, the notion of subordinating the creative process to the purpose of manipulating opinion to make conditions more favorable for my release on parole rubs my fur the wrong way. Right now, though, I’m thinking that I need to stop struggling to get clear on my motives to write my book, and just write the damn thing.

So this is how things stand at present. Like all things in this world, appearances are subject to change without notice.

I am grateful beyond words for the rich outpouring of love and support, positive energy and good thoughts that came my way in recent months. Truly, this is the real hearing for me, all the endorsement I could ever need. Please don’t feel badly about the outcome of the hearing. The fat lady ain’t sung yet. And anyway, I am not my body, and my freedom is not subject to the conditions that my body must undergo. This is true for all of us.

With peace and best wishes for the holidays.

Bobby

Bobby Fucked Again

Charles Manson follower Bobby Beausoleil denied parole again in killing of musician Gary Hinman. Should 'family' members ever be freed?

Once again, the state Board of Parole has rejected efforts by a Charles Manson follower to be released from prison.

The latest move came Monday and involved Bobby Beausoleil, 63. According to the Associated Press: "He was arrested for the murder of musician Gary Hinman in August 1969. Beausoleil was convicted of Hinman's murder in 1970 and sentenced to death. The sentence was commuted to life when the California Supreme Court found the death penalty unconstitutional in 1972."

The issue of whether Manson family members should ever be released from prison came up in 2008 when Susan Atkins, who was terminally ill, asked for her freedom. Officials rejected her bid, and she died in prison.

At the time, some people said the Manson murders were so horrific that the perpetrators should never be released. Do you agree? Share your views.

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A state parole board panel denied parole Monday for former Charles Manson follower Robert Beausoleil, who was among those convicted of a musician's 1969 stabbing death.

A two-member panel from the California Board of Parole Hearings issued a five-year denial, who was last denied parole in December 2008, according to Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira.

Beausoleil was initially sentenced to death for the July 26, 1969, slaying of Gary Hinman in his Topanga Canyon home. But his sentence -- along with those of Manson and a number of his followers -- was later commuted to life in prison following a U.S. Supreme Court ruling on new requirements for capital cases.

Manson and many of his other former followers, who have repeatedly been denied parole, remain behind bars.

The Dick Van Dyke Show (simply hilarious)

CBS) California prison officials want to stop prison inmates like convicted murderer Charles Manson from reaching out and touching people with smuggled cell phones.

Prison guards confiscated the flip phone for the man behind one of the most infamous killing sprees in U.S. history after he placed calls and sent text messages to people in California, Florida, New Jersey and British Columbia, Canada, the Los Angeles Times reported Friday.

"It's troubling that he had a cell phone since he's a person who got other people to murder on his behalf," a spokeswoman for the state Department of Corrections told the Times.

The spokeswoman, Terry Thornton, also told the Times she didn't know if Manson ordered anyone during a call to commit a crime.

Authorities have urged the Federal Communications Commission to grant them authority to jam cell phone signals at prisons, but telecommunications lobbyists have told the agency that jamming would also block non-inmates near prisons from making calls.

Officials told the Times that prison inmates use the phones to run drug rings, intimidate witnesses and plan escapes yet being in possession of a cell phone isn't a crime in the Golden State.

President Obama signed into law during the summer a bill making smuggling cell phones into federal prisons a crime, but that law doesn't apply to state prisons, the Times reported. California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed a bill in September that would have fined people providing cell phones to prisoners $5,000, the Times reported.

In California prisons, authorities told the Times the number of cell phones confiscated has been on the rise from 1,400 in 2007, when confiscations were first recorded, to 8,675 thus far in 2010.

ITEMS!

Item- Does anyone want me to keep tearing apart that shitty screenplay by Scott Kosar? I haven't gotten very many comments about it so maybe no one gives a shit. It isn't like the film will ever come out.

Item- Did you get your Bobby Parole Letters in yet? Deadline is in a few days.

Item- Brenda is not happy with evil liz. Personally, my worldview is that Cats is the queen whose feet I am not worthy of touching. Liz hates Cats. Therefore Liz is insane. But I am not sure why she pissed off Brenda. Does anyone CARE what she is doing these days? I don't. I just want to know why TLB happened. I suspect Brenda has some ideas, but she isn't the link to the solution. Good luck Liz, be careful opening the door.

Item- The new Charlie book is delayed a few weeks. Somehow I don't think I'll learn much new.

Item- Anyone hear anything about a Charlie film that some kids in Wales were gonna shoot? Talk about authenticity!

Later !

Godspeed Bummer Bob

Dear Family and Friends,

A brief update . . .

My parole hearing is rapidly approaching. In my earlier email notice about the hearing I failed to actually mention when it would occur, and a few of you have expressed concern that the window of opportunity to write a letter for the hearing may already have closed. Sorry for the oversight!

There is still time to get a letter in, if you are so inclined, and if you have not done so already, but not much. The hearing is scheduled for Monday morning December 13th. For a letter to be submitted to the hearing panel within the time constraints it will need to be received by my attorney no later than November 23rd. Here is the address again, for convenience.

Law Offices of Steven E. Moretz
PO Box 455
Victorville, CA 92393-0455

To those of you who have already sent letters, my heartfelt gratitude. If you have not heard from me personally by now, you will soon.

I'm feeling strong. Regardless of what the outcome of the hearing turns out to be, my integrity will not be shaken. I am putting my best effort forward, and that's what counts.

With peace in my heart, and peace to you,

Bobby

The Dynamic Says It All

If you want my opinion, Paul Fitzgerald was a good lawyer who believed the Family bullshit a little too much.
If we look at this photo we see what I mean. Is Nancy in charge? What is she at this point, 25 and she and Sandy look like they own the fucking joint. WHY is Paul even considering dealing with these two stoned hotties?

FOUR people are on trial for their lives. WHO CARES what their friends have to say?

Uggh.

Script Review- THE FAMILY- Part 4

And we're back....
Page 31 more voiceover and we meet Tex
and ON PAGE 32 via a newsreel we meet Sharon and Roman.

Half an hour in but the fucking buttlick director gives interviews saying he wants us to meet the victims and get to know them! After one minute of NEWSREEL we go to Wilson's house.

Page 34 has Charlie babbling about black people to Tex.
Gregg gets introduced and then they record an album. (More voiceover!)

Then off to Cielo where they play the record and he doesn't groove.
Snake says Charlie thinks they could be like the Partridge Family EXCEPT THEY DON'T EXIST YET FOR ANOTHER THREE YEARS. What fucking lazy writing.

Kitty and Gypsy get introduced. Sigh.

Everybody gets on the bus. LSD tripping. Charlie forces Snake OFF The bus in the middle of nowhere. And then lets her back on. Being mean to Snake? So?

Page 42 she is back on and we move on....

Script Review- THE FAMILY- Part 3

And we are back

Page 22 the cops bust them all for being nekkid and shit.
Page 23 Snake says that she has that name because that's how she fucks, but man, she makes it a joke which it wasn't.
Yet another montage series of the Family being harassed by the Law Man in every state. They settle in Joshua Tree. Charlie and Snake make love in the desert and the movie becomes kiddie porn.
Then Charlie sings Ceast To Exist. Snake bores us with a ton more voiceover introducing Bobby. And Gary. Who remains a mescaline dealer in the script. Then she has us meet Watkins, Davis, and Dennis.

Now get this- as the girls raid Dennis' closet they find a drawer of sex toys and Squeaky exclaims.

HOLY MACARONI!

This is what the script actually says. GAG.

Page 30 ends with Charlie saying that he loves Snake, and so does this entry. I feel unwell.

People Are Strange

Look I'm all for whatever floats your boat. I always got freaked out by the homophobes who screamed that Steven Parent wasn't gay. Of course he was, and so what? And Abigail and Jay did a lot of coke. And Voytek and Gary dealt drugs. So the fuck what. None of that means they needed to end up as shish ka bob.

What I never got was the people who believed the Jesus Bullshit, the idea that the Bible was some sort of How to book. According to Christian philosophy, if Hitler said he was sorry with his dying breathe, he would be forgiven and let into Heaven. Screw that!

IF There is a God and that's a pretty damn big IF, he sure as shit isn't forgiving certain bastards no matter how damn sorry they are.

So I stumble across this photo on the web and it makes me want to vomit in my hanky. "I am the way and the light, whoever believes in me shall be saved." Umm, Tex boy- YOU STABBED a 9 months (basically) PREGNANT woman who couldn't defend herself OVER AND OVER. You don't speak to any real GOD, you false preacher. Any REAL God would have turned you into a pillar of dogshit years ago. If anything, your full, long life is testimony that there is no God, or if he is he is fucking Groucho Marx.

It's all about Perspective

One day you're showing Robert Hendrickson how to load a gun.
The next day you're living in the sewers with Bruce Davis.
Then you are struggling to live on the street corner of Temple and Broadway.
Then, whoopsie, you are in Stockton and there's a dead body in your basement.
And then you get married to a White Supremacist and start a family of little Supremists!

But like all of us, you end up in the hands of a Lazy Boy Massage Chair.

The good old days of Guns and Knives are now the days of Recline and Wine.

Our Fallen Warrior

This is more about Bret G. He really IS dead. This is translated through Google so the English is weak. Guy seems to have overdosed. (It is his Uncle writing about him) He will be missed. His YOUTUBE lives on!
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CLICK HERE PEOPLE

Script Review- THE FAMILY- Part 2

And we're back

Page 13 Snake's mom gives her to Charlie, complete with signature.
Oh snap. Another Montage. All the girls on the bus as Snake tries desperately to explain them all in one paragraph. Katie tried to be a nun. Squeaky's dad was a rocket scientist? Yeller looked like Greta Garbo? Sandy was snooty. Sadie was a brat.

The Charlie sings Garbage Dump over a montage of Family dumpster diving, car washing (?) and candy eating. Montage central this thing.

Then Sharon has her first date with Roman. Calls him Mr. Polanski. Uh huh.

Mary gives birth to Pooh Bear. Lots of joint smoking and screaming. This ends with Snake biting through the cord and tying it off with the guitar string. So much for any sort of accuracy Kosar.

I'm sorry. I am gonna stop on Page 21 after this quote-
Snake
I was called "Snake" because snakes were super-aware
of everything and Charlie said I was very aware for
someone so young.

In the comments I would like all real scholars to tell us why this is BULLSHIT!

Script Review- THE FAMILY- Part 1

Screenplay is called THE FAMILY by Scott Kosar based on the book by Ed Sanders. Not sure why since it IS NOTHING like the book.

Screenplay is the FOURTH Draft, most easily available to this reviewer.

No date is available.

First scene is with Dianne Lake in Death Valley in 69, telling us she had some friends but they changed. Then we see Tex driving the girls in the car a few minutes after the Cielo slaughter. Next we slam cut to the HOG FARM where Dianne is 13 ( can you imagine the casting?) and watches her mother screw on the floor.

We're only on page 3 before Kosar decides to let logic lapse completely. You see Dianne goes out on her bicycle from the Hog Farm, in Sunland, and arrives at the dumpster in Topanga where Mary, Katie and Squeaky (he actually has someone call her SQUEAKS- this was of course NEVER done) are diving for chocolate bars (when in fact it was always for veggies). And Dianne has a magic bicycle because of course there's fucking 38 miles between Sunland and Topanga and she isn't even sweating.

Now the Col always thinks montages in the middle of films are lame but Kosar starts his on page fucking 4. A series of vignettes where we meet all the main girls (and Yeller?) who all tell Snake what a great lover Charlie is. Dianne stuffs her bra and hitches to ... The Spiral Staircase where the Family is crashing. WTF? It was a club. Mary and Sandy grab Snake (who is called this even though she hasn't met Charlie yet, who gives her her nickname)

More meeting girls like Cappy. Then Charlie on a bus. He notices her stuffed bra, and then owns her ass.

That's through PAGE 13. Not nearly as bad as Wyman's garbage, but again, Dianne Lake, go get lawyers now! Your lawsuit is guaranteed a home run!

More to Come! Scott looks over us from the photo above, asking why we would question his fictions and lies!

More Horse Pucky

EXCL: Kwanten Stars, Kosar Directs Manson Film

Source: Ryan Turek, Managing Editor

October 28, 2010

Heat is building on Scott (The Machinist) Kosar's script for The Family, his long-gestating project about Charles Mason.

Ryan Kwanten told the press recently that he is going to star and that appears to be true, however, a journalist misconstrued something Kwanten said about Brad Anderson directing. And that's false.

"First off, my good friend and idol Brad has nothing to do with this film," Kosar tells Shock Till You Drop exclusively. "I will be making my directorial debut from a script I wrote. The movie won't focus on the Manson murders. Nor is it a Manson biopic. It's a family biopic. A movie about a surrogate family of wayward teenagers who, through extraordinary circumstances, came together and were transformed into the most notorious American family of the 20th century. Hence the title."

Kosar elaborates his film with explore the family unit. "A very unconventional unit, but a family nonetheless. It is not a horror film, though the subject is inherently horrific. The goal is to do, finally, after forty years, the first authentic film about the so-called Manson Family. Unlike other films on the subject, The Family will also spend time getting to know the victims, particularly Sharon Tate, who will be portrayed very sympathetically. I don't think a responsible movie can be made about this subject without humanizing the victims, which must be done in order to truly convey - as much as a film is able to - the enormity of the tragedy. This won't be a slasher film, but it won't gloss over the violence either. It's a film about an American taboo that has never been dramatized with any balance or accuracy. Bugliosi-based films accurately deal with the prosecution of "the Family." My film will concern the family itself. Who they were and what their lives were like with Manson."

Interesting stuff. Of course, we've seen plenty of Manson films come down the track over the last few decades - some good, some bad. The Family should certainly deliver something unique given Kosar's time developing and researching the script.

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And now the interpretation-

Jesus websites can be so ass kissing can't they?

1- There's no heat just because a TV actor said he was playing Charlie. An Australian actor btw. There's no heat at all.
2- The TV actor doesn't even know who is directing the alleged goddamn film. He mentioned a real director named Brad Anderson. But it is Scott Kosar, who has never even directed traffic.
3- He mentions Bugliosi as truthful, thus killing any chance of this being any use to anyone.

Like I said, the Col is finally examining this screenplay and will share his comments with you. But I tell you this much- it features DIANNE SNAKE LAKE as the centerpiece of the action. This means
- It's bullshit
- Miss Lake's lawyers can have a field day since she isn't a public figure and certainly didn't authorize the film.

More to come.

Learning Time

Here's an article for you to read and then the Col will help you understand it better on the flip side. Toodles.

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Ryan Kwanten joins Manson 'Family'

'True Blood' thesp to star in Scott Kosar's indie drama

By DAVE MCNARY

Scott Kosar will make his directorial debut on "The Family," an indie drama focusing on the wayward teens who became the Manson Family.

Ryan Kwanten ("True Blood") will play Charles Manson, who was found guilty of conspiracy to commit the Tate/LaBianca murders in 1969. Nicholas Simon ("City of Ghosts") will produce with The Gotham Group. Production's expected to be in Los Angeles next summer.

Kosar's adapted Ed Saunders book "The Family" and emphasized that the pic won't focus on the Manson murders, nor is it a Manson biopic but rather with the Manson Family as a unit.

"It is not a horror film, though the subject is inherently horrific," said Kosar, who stressed that the story foocuses on the victims, particularly Sharon Tate.

"I don't think a responsible movie can be made about this subject without humanizing the victims, which must be done in order to truly convey (as much as a film is able to) the enormity of the tragedy," he added. "This won't be a slasher film, but it won't gloss over the violence either."

Kosar's scripting credits include "The Machinist," "The Amityville Horror" and "The Crazies."

News of Kosar's directing attachment and Kwanten's signing was first reported on the Shocktillyoudrop.com site.

Read the full article at:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118026547.html

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Okay, now this is some bullshit right here. What happened was a not bright television actor spoke up about possibly doing a film. If you read the article closely, who is paying for this film starring a supporting TV actor? No one. Who is distributing this film? No one. Wait, what about the Gotham Group, they are mentioned! Nope, they are a low level management company that represents animators (!) and seemingly this Kosar chap. They don't finance films.

But then this Kosar guy is a major director right? Nope, never directed a film before in his life. He wrote the TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE remake, which is something he should be ashamed of, not boasting.

Do some googling and you'll see that Fangoria announced this sure to be crapfest back in 2002. AT BEST this article is wishful thinking.

But what it did do is prompt the Col to track down this screenplay. Maybe it would be better that the Brad Wyman shitfest which featured Nancy Pitman as a hell of a nice girl. The film that ALSO never came out.

We'll examine the screenplay over the next few days.

Bret's Dead, Baby.

Why no postings from the Col for almost a whole month?

Been in hiding, plotting my next move.

Take a beat and catch up with me okay?

If you click on my links to the right, you'll see something called "The Best Damned Manson Site on The Web."

This goes no where now. It once went to a site that was a cornucopia of riches. Not stolen shit like that Helter Skelter group. Real research. Real material.

It was run by BretG and it was the envy of all of us who search for the truth.

BretG outed Clem/Steve Grogan as Adam Gabriel, member of a San Fran band who played children parties. Bret, knowing that Clem has yet to be prosecuted for the LaBianca killings, revealed his true identity.

And then the site went down.

So I spent October astral traveling to Iceland. And I discovered that Bret's dead. It appears to be natural causes. Unless Clem has magic powers like Charlie had, beyond watch stopping.

So now we know for sure.

Sigh.

Back to the work. We'll have a lot of posts to make up for in the coming days.

RIP BRET, August 2010

Hello, Pot, You are Black

Truth on Tate LaBianca may have a few dried up old law and order farts (hi Dillagf) and I still need to find out what went wrong with EvilLiz, but it is the single best TLB site currently on the web since Bret went Wit Pro. And Cats who runs it is a fellow warrior in the fight for TLB truth- I love this broad!

There is this other site that basically steals from other people. It is called the Helter Skelter Forum. I am on there under a couple of nom de plumes because they wouldn't let the genius Col on board to run rings around them. They steal from Cats, from Cielo Drive 69. There are self hating gay dudes on there stealing, some psycho twat named Martine and the owner who may or may not be a dude.

The owner recently put this notice up I wanted to share with you. Because it is fucking funny. I am not even sure the owner is from the US so I am not sure why they are getting so butthurt and quoting US copyright laws. But boy it is fucking funny. I am watching you- the paranoid ramblings of the guilty. I mean, you know how crooks always scream the loudest.

I am off to file some DMCA notices just for shits and giggles.

Losers.

Social Networking At Its Finest.

Hey I'd like to plunge a bayonet into your mother for no fucking reason and then have you forgive me on television?

Sounds like a plan?

I am shocked she even has fifteen friends.

Note that daughter Rommi Soto (married) is not one of them.

A Gay Man Called Me A Penis And Then Proceeded To Lie and Censor The Truth

You know it's hard enough to find the truth out there without dilettantes, homophobes and liars forming their own school club to promote their fiction. You would think the lesson of JimNY, aka Savage, sitting in a rubber bed of his own spew would be a lesson to those who cross the Col's quest for facts. But apparently not.

Last night I was directed to the new "Helter Skelter Forum" by some of you who were alarmed at their rampant thievery from other sites. I didn't know from theft, and I am a Col not a judge, so I thought "Hey, a new site." I joined. Easy enough. (by the way guys, just so you know, the last site I joined that banned me, repeatedly mind you, was the Yahoo KTS site and it is now a pathetic, limping wad of goo. Just saying, laugh all you want, but you're next.)

So I clicked on some places and here is what I saw and posted.

First, they have the nerve to say "Give us credit" when in fact they steal from other sites without credit. That kind of set the tone. Go look at the Gary Hinman autopsy material they stole from Truth on Tate LaBianca. Cropping materials doesn't mean it is "yours". So I very nicely mentioned this in a posting, like "Hey how can you say one thing and do another." Fine.

Then I came upon this thread, where this chick Martine is offering to ask the BUG questions. Now there is only one question to ask the Bug- how can you live with yourself when you convicted people based on motives you know are lies? But no one is asking that. It's like "What KIND of Latin Music do you like BUG?" Okay I exaggerate but not much. In this thread they argue about whether the BUG beat up his mistress and stalked his milkman thinking he was the father of BUG Jr. I respond to several of the sillier comments, calling them nonsense. I am extremely polite for me, not calling them liars and stupid idiots, which of course they were.

Then the clincher- there is this huge thread where they discuss Steve Parent's homosexuality. There is this one extreme homophobe, Silver, who refuses to accept the reality that the kid was gay. It's 2010 and he is still hating on Steve, while trolling alleyways his own self, no doubt. Then there is this guy eddy, the ugly, lonely gay guy who wants everyone to know he has special information (Did you chug one off with Steve back in the day, grandpa?) about Steve. Some moron says there was no semen so Steve and Garretson never copulated (umm, swallowing?) and this goes on for pages. Some super cretin says "does it matter whether the BUG did it or Steve was?" and I point out that it matters very much why a victim was at the house and that the prosecutor is known for psycho behavior before and after the trial.

I swear I am modulated, considering what these shitbirds are doing, stealing, banning and generally making shit up.

So this morning I am banned, as if the truth can ever be banned. Since I have four other accounts, I am able to read this from the self hating gay guy eddy-

This pillock joined the forum in the early hours and spent nine posts bitching, making obnoxious comments to some of you and trying to discredit the forum in any way he knew how. Accused us of stealing from another forum (a forum several of us were banned from) and subsequently he didn't get any further. So I imagine he'll write a 'scathing' review of this forum at his blog. So if he does, you'll know why he didn't last in here.

Amazing. First I have to look up pillock. It means penis in uneducated British street slang. For a thief it isn't surprising that he is of the street. A gay guy calling other men penis? Wish fulfillment I suppose.

And because you were banned for abuse at another forum you would never steal from them? Or you blatantly steal from them in misguided revenge? Obvious to me.

So what do we know? SJ, who uses the photo of Abigail as a photo, is Jasonwarmes or something. He was Moonglow on Cat's forum until he left to start his own and steal everything from Cat without crediting. Morning Glory, the main thief of materials, was called Lady Noel before it put the lotion in the basket or else it gets the hose.

So does it matter in the end if some sad refugees from the truth started their own island of misinformation? Yes and no. If they are willing to ban and lie and steal they need to be monitored which I shall do through the other accounts including one they think is a close friend. But they disgust me even more because they refer to the Col's research throughout even reprinting whole posts but don't link back. They stole the entirety of Claire Watkins post on Granta and don't link back. Then they claim they give credit and want it in return.

eddy I am not a penis, though you can SUCK ME. You're a fraud who can't even accept who he is. But the Col knows who you all are and now, so do all true TLB scholars.

Running from Running Water

Here's a photo I haven't seen before. It's Ron Hughes. He looks happy, even though his sartorial sensibilities are severely infected. He needs a shave. He is raising his fist in some sort of power salute which was stupid even then (Slippy Power?). He has Kanarek by his side. Kanarek doesn't look like the homeless troll last seen a few years ago on some TV Special. The guy whose storage locker was supposedly sold at auction to constitute the "Railroading" book.

And as the Col says, there's no show without Punch and there's the BUG in the back, lurking and seeming smug, wondering if the milkman really fucked his wife or not.

Also, if you made me bet, Hughes either just had a toke or was about to try one out.

Some short time later the poor guy drowned in Sespe Springs. We established that it wasn't a murder here. Also if you can find the newest version of Sanders, he says he drowned in the flash flood.

It makes me wonder what the defense attorneys were thinking. Like Fitzgerald seemed like a smart cat- he had to know that all of them were busted and you should plead. They all acted like it was theatre- all of them. And that is hard for me to fathom.

Abigail- The Overlooked Link?

Sources and information agree that Sharon wasn't thought to be at Cielo that night. So there is no connection to the motive. Woman just was at the wrong place and the very wrong time.

Same with Parent. Whether he serviced Garrettson or got serviced by him (ummm I mean "tried to sell him a stolen clock radio") Tex and the gals certainly had no idea that he was up there. So wrong place, wrong time again.

I don't think they were after Jay. If they were, the motives include
1- Drugs
2- Drugs
3- Bad Haircuts
4- Tied up Naked Women (his thing)
5- Drugs

Examined in order
1- He used a lot of them
2- They were sold through the salons
3- Have you seen these things?
4- Could he have pissed off the wrong husband?
5-Did he have some drug connection to Tex who worked in a fully equipped Salon at one point?

Then we have Voytek. The motivations there include-
1- Drugs
2- Drugs
3- Polish Mafia
4- Drugs

Examined in Order
1- Did he sell bad ones?
2- Did he steal some?
3- Did I make this up?
4- Did he step on the wrong toes?

Now let's look at Abilgail
1- Drugs
2- Money and lots of it
3- Social Activism
4- The Coffee Wars
5- Drugs

And Examined in order
1- Doesn't seem like she did much more than smoke some weed. But her BF was a heavy duty user and dealer which brings this motivation into the equation.
2- Girlfriend was rich as hell, a bona fide heiress for god's sake. Who benefited by her death? Lt. Columbo would look into that.
3- She seemed to be ahead of the curve as far as equal rights and shit, at least by what we are told. Did the Establishment have a problem with this?
4- Goddamn Starbucks!
5- She supposedly worked at centers to help people get off Drugs. Did she meet a maniac or two there?

Looking at this all closely we have-
A- Lots of Drugs- which is the probably connection to everything if the killer knew Melcher was gone. But I don't think they DID know.
B- A big mess- why kill people for no reason, Tex you fucking animal!

Here's a newly uncovered photo of Abigail. It is lovely.

What do you all think?

The Col Faces GoRightly So You Don't Have To

Adam GoRightly (not his real name anymore than Adam Gabriel is Clem's real name) is a poseur. He is one of these guys that fakes living on the edge. There's the other guy Brian Butler who is the same thing. Brian once interviewed Bobby and then tried to charge people to watch the interview- without Bobby's permission or knowledge. They are counter culture groupies.

Adam's first book on Manson was called THE SHADOW OVER SANTA SUSANNA PASS ROAD. Also known us "I read a lot of books and now I regurgitate them, look how slick I am." He promoted that book with a message board that he used to ban the Col from because the Col knows more than he does. I think the Col is even mentioned in one of the Chapters. Because when you are vomiting up information, somehow the Col matters to your readers.

Anyway he just published a new book. It is not actually published so no trees died for this shit. It is called A WHO'S WHO OF THE MANSON FAMILY. You can waste your money for it HERE.
It is only digital because that is what all the cool kids are using these days.

Never mind that fact that the entries on The Family are more thorough on CieloDrive.com or even the evil Mark Turner's site. FOR FREE. Or that you can learn 100 times more on Cat's site- this fucker only includes "Family" so he doesn't even address scores of other TLB subjects. Let me just give you three random reasons why this fucking just sucks it.

1- Mary Brunner is followed by Charlene Cafritz. Mary is THE founding member of The Family and the mother of Charlie's son. Cafritz is some society psycho who maybe visited the Ranch. Cafritz gets a longer entry than Mary. Fuck off Adam.

2- "Bernard Crowe lived at 7008 Woodrow Wilson Drive near Sunset"- I mean, douche, Sunset is actually miles (plural) from this house. Ever hear of Google Earth? You barely write anything in this book anyway shouldn't it be ACCURATE? Take five minutes and check the fucking map, ADAM!

3- "Haught's life was snuffed out and he truly became a Zero"- I mean fuck you sideways Adam- hard. You don't get to sound like Hunter S. Thompson or even sucky Ed Sanders without being talented and you aren't.

Book Report- Dear Class- this book could have and should have been so much more but GoRightly is just after your money. Stay the fuck away.

[[PHOTO: Adam GoRightly, the douche on the left, discusses why looking like a leftover large ass Seventies Porno Extra is a good idea]]

There's One Less BUG to Lie to Us

To be fair, I think the original Helter Skelter miniseries is brilliant. It started the Col's obsession and fascination with this crazy world of TLB. Sure it is full of shit just like the book- but so riveting! DiCenzo was brilliant as the BUG. Smug, self important and pompous he really conveyed the BUG of the novel. There's two moments in the miniseries where he turns and breaks the fourth wall and looks at us- when he joins the case and when he ends the show. Chilling and wonderful. RIP George. Thanks to AB for pointing this out. Oh, btw he died August 9, althought not in Los Feliz.

Character actor George DiCenzo dies

Thesp portrayed prosecutor in 'Helter Skelter'

By RACHEL ABRAMS

Character actor George DiCenzo,who portrayed prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi in "Helter Skelter," died Aug. 9 in Newtown, Pa. He was 70 and had been in failing health since a near-fatal accident a few years back.

He toplined as the author of the book, Bugliosi, in the 1976 telepic on investigation and trial of cult killer Charles Manson.

Thesp, who attended the Yale School of Drama, led a career that spanned more than three decades.

DiCenzo appeared in series, including "Gunsmoke," "The Waltons," "Hawaii Five-O," "Police Story," and "NYPD Blue."

In pics he was featured in pics such as "Close Encounters of the Third Kind," "Back to the Future," and "A Guide to Recognizing Your Saints," which was his last outing.

He also did voiceover for toons "He-Man and the Masters of the Universe," "Animaniacs" and "Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven," among others.

In 1992, DiCenzo appeared with Nathan Lane in the Broadway production of George C. Scott-helmed "On Borrowed Time."

In addition to acting, DiCenzo's voice could be heard on numerous commercials and in later years, he was an acting instructor in New York and Philadelphia.

Survivors include wife, Donna, a son, three grandchildren and a sister.

Donations may be made in his name to to a Woman's Place, P.O. Box 299, Doylestown, PA 18901.

Once Upon a Midnight Dreary...

(been busy, will try to have more for you even though there doesn't seem to actually BE very much new)


So I am more convinced than ever than ever that Linda Kasabian knows more about what happened than she is letting on. And I theorize that she maybe did NOT know when the case was happening but that she knows now. Through the trials. Through the coaching of the BUG. Through just living the lie.

Think about it. Remember we all were shocked when Bug openly coached and corrected her on Larry King last summer? How obvious and fucked up was that?

But if you are going to sell the lie, as BUG did , then you need to make sure that the liars go along with the lie. And at some point that means they need to learn the truth. Otherwise how can you avoid it?

Amirite? I mean, when you tell your mom you weren't out all night you do so fully knowing what you WERE doing.

Long time readers know I think she should have gotten the chair like the rest of them. That there isn't an honest bone in her body. But in order to be successfully DIShonest doesn't she have to know at least some of the truth?

SHOCKER- Leslie Denied

Leslie Van Houten heads to her 19th parole hearing Tuesday, July 6. Being held for murder as part of the notorious Manson Family’s grisly Tate La Bianca Killings in August of 1969, Van Houten has been denied parole 18 times.

After the California Death Penalty was overturned and death sentences were commuted to life, Van Houten a devout Manson follower found herself in the California Institution for Women in Chino, while Charlie and several others reside in Northern California prisons.

Parole didn’t bode well for any of the family.

Patricia “Katie” Krenwinkel keeps company at the Chino Women center, as well and was last denied parole for the 11th time in 2008.

Calling his cell at Corcoran State Prison home, Charlie won’t have a peek at parole again until 2012. He was last denied in 2007 for the 11th time.

Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme faced life for an assignation attempt on President Gerald Ford, but was released August of last year. Squeaky was involved but not charged in the Family's 1972 Stockton murders in the house on Flora St.

Susan “Sadie Mae” Atkins died from a brain tumor serving her life sentence in the Central California Women’s Facility in Chowchilla, at the age of 61. Her request for parole one year prior to her death, due to her debilitated state and paralysis was unanimously denied. Being denied parole 18 times, she holds the honor of longest incarcerated female in California’s history.

Linda Kasabian escaped imprisonment as a witness for the prosecution turning state’s evidence for immunity.

Convicted of seven counts of murder one and one count of conspiracy, Charles “Tex” Watson waits for his 14th parole hearing in December 2011, at Mule Creek State Prison in Northern California.

Serving two life sentences at the California Men’s Colony in San Luis Obispo for the Hinman and “Shorty” Shea murders, Bruce Davis was granted parole by the Board in January of this year. The decision was overturned by Governor Schwarzenegger last week. He will again be eligible in 2011.

I missed this when I went to the Bathroom

I kinda told you so weeks ago----

Schwarzenegger denies parole for former Charles Manson family member

June 28, 2010 | 4:35 pm

A convicted killer described as a top assistant to mass murderer Charles Manson has had his parole recommendation denied by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Bruce Davis, 67, imprisoned for the 1969 killings of musician Gary Hinman and ranch hand Donald "Shorty" Shea, was recommended for parole in January by a two-member Board of Prison Terms panel.

But in a letter released Monday, Schwarzenegger reversed the decision. "I believe his release would pose an unreasonable risk of danger to society at this time," the governor wrote, pointing out the gruesome nature of the crimes. "The first-degree murders for which Davis was convicted were especially heinous because both victims were abused, tortured and mutilated."

Davis did not participate in the 1969 Manson family murders of actress Sharon Tate and six others. Nonetheless, he "occupied a major role in the Manson family hierarchy," Los Angeles District Atty. Steve Cooley said in May.

Cooley wrote Schwarzenegger in May asking that Davis not be paroled. Davis, according to Cooley, had continued to "minimize, rationalize and offer excuses" for his role in the murders.

Davis had been denied parole 25 times before the panel recommended he be released. While in prison, he became an ordained minister and earned master's degrees in philosophy and religion via a correspondence program.

Murdering Harlot Still wants out

Notorious Manson Family member Leslie Van Houten asks to be set free -- again

Leslie Van Houten has been behind bars for over 40 years and has asked to be released on parole 18 times, however, each time the former Manson Family member has been denied her freedom.

She is now 60-years-old and is once again asking to be set free.

Although Van Houten did not take part in the horrific 1969 murders of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and four of her friends, she was involved in the killing of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, which occurred the night after the Benedict Canyon massacre.

According to reports, on August 10, 1969, after being driven to the couple’s home by Charles Manson, Van Houten, Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, Linda Kasabian, Steve Grogan and Patricia Krenwinkel entered the home.

Van Houten, along with Krenwinkel and Watson stabbed Rosemary multiple times. Van Houten is said to have then changed into the dead woman’s clothing and scavenged the refrigerator for food.

To read about the Tate and LaBianca murders and see photos regarding the brutal slayings, click here.

The Pasadena Star News reports that officials at the California Institution for Women in Riverside County describe Van Houten as a model prisoner.

Susan Atkins attempted to gain her freedom for the 13th time last year, but was denied parole. She died in prison in September of brain cancer.