Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Suddenly Sharon

(CNN) -- As
murder Charles
Manson comes
up for parole
review on
there continues
to be an
fascination in
regarding his crimes.
The murder of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and four others on August 9, 1969, by members of a group known as the
Manson Family left a thumbprint on American pop culture that has influenced music, movies and books.
One of the latest projects is the book "Restless Souls: The Sharon Tate Family's Account of Stardom, the Manson
Murders, and a Crusade for Justice," written by a woman who has a personal tie with the story.
In March 1990, Alisa Statman was a young film director who had just been accepted into the Director's Guild, the
entertainment labor union that represents the interests of film and television directors.
To celebrate, she went house hunting and discovered there was a place for lease at 10050 Cielo Drive, which
happened to be the house where the infamous murders occurred. Although it was more than two decades later, as
Statman was unloading boxes, someone was filming something at the house.
Sharon Tate's sister on Charles Manson

"The day that I was
moving in, there was
a supposed producer
[on the property],"
said Statman, now an
assistant director on
"Modern Family."
"He was taking footage of some of the exterior. I just told him not to film me." About two weeks later, Statman said she received a letter from that producer, Bill Nelson. Nelson said he was working on a film about
the Manson murders and the Tate family, that he had the blessing of Sharon Tate's mother, Doris Tate, and asked if
Statman would be interested in helping. "Being in the business and being 21 years old, I was like 'Heck yes, I'd love
to do this.' "
From there, Statman said her life was radically altered: On a filming trip, she went with Nelson to the house of a
detective who had worked on the Tate case and who had mountains of police reports, photos, "everything
imaginable" piled high on a dining room table.
"Within all those pictures, I came across these two little blue boxes," she recalled. "I opened them up and there were
pictures of Sharon, Jay Sebring and Wojciech Frykowski, three of the victims. They'd obviously been taken in the
last week of her life. She was extremely pregnant. Along with the slides were the negatives. And they obviously had
been taken from the house, during the investigation, and never returned to the family.
"I was so angry. He'd been sitting on these photos for years. The second they left the room, I pocketed them, with the
intention of returning them to whoever I could find."
That person was Patti Tate, Sharon's sister, and Statman said the pair went on to strike up a romantic relationship.
The director said she helped Tate work on an unpublished autobiography and continued to be close to the Tate
family after Patti passed away from breast cancer in 2000. Statman spent the last five years constructing "Restless
Souls" using what she said are Patti's unpublished manuscripts, along with the unpublished writings of Sharon and
Patti's late parents, Doris and P.J. Tate.
Unlike many memoirs, which are written several decades after the incidents recounted, Doris and P.J. Tate wrote
their thoughts while everything that transpired was relatively fresh. The stories within, along with how Statman fell
into the Tate family legacy, are yet more fodder for those who remain interested in the tragedy, 40-plus years later.
"The murders happened in the middle of the hippie movement and there was a horrible outbreak of violence in one's
home," Statman said of the story's endurance. "Couple that with the victims were wealthy and famous, the months
and months of speculation as to who did this, only to find out that the Manson Family were right in the middle of this
hippie movement. I think that scared the hell out of a lot of people."
Manson and the Manson Family have long been weaved throughout pop culture. Musician Marilyn Manson is an
obvious example of someone who was influenced by the case, as well as British rock band Kasabian, who draw their
name from Manson Family member Linda Kasabian. Statman, while living at Cielo Drive, sublet her house to Trent
Reznor of Nine Inch Nails, where he recorded the group's second album, "The Downward Spiral" in a home studio
he constructed called "Le Pig." (Sharon Tate had been hung from a rafter in her living room and the word "Pig" was
written in her blood on the front door of the Los Angeles home.)
"About halfway through, I went to the house to pick up some stuff," Statman recalled. "I was terrified by what they'd
turn the house into and the bad vibes they'd brought with it. They had everything in black, there was a huge cross
with blood all over it; it was just weird." Reznor reportedly said that after meeting Patti Tate, he saw the murders
from the victims' perspective.
Manson has released albums of his own music and spoken word. TV specials about the murders have come in waves
over the years and now the Tate story has started to get the biopic treatment.
Over the past two years, reports have surfaced about three films in the works, all at various stages of development
and funding. "The Dead Circus," a half fiction half nonfiction account, has Michael C. Hall and Melissa Leo
attached and is being directed by Adam Davenport and written by author John Kaye.

Celebrity photographer Tyler Shields has been linked to a Tate biopic called "Eyes of a Dreamer" that reportedly has
Lindsay Lohan playing Tate and Shields playing Manson.
"True Blood" star Ryan Kwanten is attached to play Manson in an upcoming film called "The Family," reportedly
written and directed by Scott Kosar ("The Machinist," "The Amityville Horror").
"There's always hesitation for money to get behind the subject matter," said Davenport, who is still trying to secure
funding for "The Dead Circus." "[But] at its root, people are fascinated by evil and the psychological underpinnings
behind it."
Whether these films come to fruition, even the idea that several different people are actively pursuing this story now
is another nod to the influence of the Tate case. Statman said there has already been interest in the film rights to
"Restless Souls," but she said that for now, she's staying put with the survivors' words, as they told them, on page.
"I've gotten a few calls, but I haven't called anyone back yet," she said. "I want to focus on the book now. It's been
such a labor of love, I don't want to get distracted."

Friday, April 20, 2012

People Ask Us Shit

We get questions and we give answers when we feel like it

1- Listen yeah sure whatever how can you call the Helter Skelter theory insane?

A- Because it didn't even exist except in the masturbatory fantasies of BUG. It isn't a real thing. They didn't try to link it to Blacks. Not a single cop ever thought it was Blacks. It just wasn't real. I could talk to your 20 friends and take snippets of bullshit you said when you were high and state that you enjoyed armadillo sex and wanted to take over Navajo Territory but that don't make it sane or true. I have talked to the attorneys who were in charge before Bug wandered in. This theory was invented by the BUG. As he points out in the novel, he didn't HAVE to prove motive but it would be easier to get a conviction if he did. HE WANTED CHARLIE. Think about it- without Charlie some drug addled hippies killed some famous people. But with HS, we have a demonic guru. Spare me.

2- Hey why you be hating on Debra Tate? Didn't she suffer enough?

Debra Tate did in fact suffer and I believe the suffering put her off the rails. She always suffered from middle child syndrome (see: Jan Brady) and was never going to be as pretty as Patti or god help us Sharon. She was never going to be famous, Oui pull out or not. We all suffer in our own ways. Debra's way was to act out, against the world, against the family. It is very Miss Haversham. I am sure she talks to Sharon regularly and maybe even tries on parts of her clothing (she couldn't fit in a dress). Debra is to be pitied. EXCEPT

She illegally operates as if she owns Sharon when in fact legally those rights were left to others.
She continues to do interviews full of lies, muddying the waters for the truth.
She continues to wrongly hold her father's ashes hostage from his burial place next to his wife and daughters.
She is friends with Robin Olsen.

All of this makes her someone to be exposed, mocked and avoided.

3- How could Alisa Statman sully the Tate Family Legacy?

Did you read the book, bitches? No one has written anything that comes close to revealing the heartache they suffered and their reactions. Alisa didn't include Debra because she hadn't been part of the Tates for years.

4- Why did Charlie get a 15 year denial?

Cause homey don't give a shit.

5- What happened to my House Painter?

I don't know.

6- I thought you were getting profiled by some lady from the Chicago Sun-Times. What happened?

I really don't know. I took a long time, I gathered a friend, and gave her the tour of a lifetime. But no article.

Tuesday, April 17, 2012

Two Whales Consume a Lot of Plankton

Apr 15, 7:39 PM EDT

Women linked by Manson murders form odd friendship


CORCORAN, Calif. (AP) -- On August 9, 1969, two naive 17-year-old girls were launched on a path that led to the unlikeliest of friendships.

That infamous night, four young people under the sway of a charismatic career criminal slipped into a neighborhood of Hollywood glitterati, then bludgeoned and stabbed rising young actress Sharon Tate, coffee heiress Abigail Folger and three others. Across town the next night, the band killed again.

The name Charles Manson quickly became a synonym for unimaginable evil, which nobody knows better than Debra Tate, Sharon's little sister, and Barbara Hoyt, the Manson family member whose testimony helped put the killers in prison.

"We've got a lot in common," said Hoyt, now a retired nurse. "She has been a big help to me."

"She makes sure I am holding my head up high," Tate said, "and I do the same for her."

Now both about 60, a Manson family member and the last living Tate family member have bonded in their long quest to keep those responsible behind bars. Both have testified repeatedly at Manson's parole hearings. Both say they still get threats from the cult killer's supporters - mostly white supremacists enamored with murders Manson orchestrated to incite a race war dubbed "Helter Skelter."

Even now not a day passes without Hoyt dwelling on the suffering Manson and her former comrades inflicted and on the widespread terror that ensued.

"We are completely linked by this event whether we want to be or not," she said of Debra Tate, who now runs a crime victims group. "She understands me, and I understand where she's coming from."

Hoyt never committed a crime for Manson, and her testimony helped send the cult leader and four followers to death row in 1971. The following year, when the California Supreme Court ruled the death penalty unconstitutional, their new life terms made them eligible for a while for annual parole consideration.

That is when the lives of Barbara Hoyt and Debra Tate began to intertwine. Over the decades, each as written letters to parole panels urging that the killers never be released, and each has traveled to obscure California farming towns for parole hearings in prisons housing some of the state's most notorious convicts.

At first Hoyt testified partly out of fear that the killers would seek revenge if released. But after becoming a registered nurse, she realized that the psychological and emotional pain of having to relive her involvement with the cult was another part of her payback to society.

"It's a descent into hell and then having to climb back out again," Hoyt said. "I think about it and I feel I was simply there to be a witness, because that has been my role. God gave me that role, and that's my reality."

Meanwhile Tate's late mother, Doris, had become the driving force for victims' rights in California and was instrumental in a 1982 law that allows family members to testify about their losses at trials and parole hearings.

When Doris died, that left her daughters Debra and Patti to carry on with her work. Patti died of breast cancer in 2000, leaving Debra, disabled from a postal service accident, to go it alone.

"Over time our mutual efforts brought us together," Hoyt said.

Now they talk regularly on the phone and get together when they're in the same town, usually for a parole hearing. Tate lives in the Southern California desert, and Hoyt in the Pacific Northwest, the specific location she wants to keep secret.

Trapped in drab institutional waiting rooms, they realized they were the same age and shared similar middle-class upbringings. Both were divorced mothers who raised daughters on their own. In 2006, when Manson associate Bruce Davis was up for parole for another murder Manson had orchestrated, the two had time to talk.

"I discovered that I really like Barbara," said Tate, who now works for victims' rights through her website . "She is a good person. She has a good soul and a good spirit and she has come through for us when it was very iffy whether these core members were going to get out."

As the friendship developed, Tate realized that Barbara has suffered from the murders as much as she had. "She flew under such a horrible social stigma for so long," Tate said. "For Barbara to have suffered the same stigma as those other sociopaths, well it just wasn't right."

Hoyt didn't appear Wednesday for the 77-year-old Manson's 12th and probably final parole hearing because she knew the prospects were virtually nil that the state would release such a notorious killer.

That left Tate alone to listen anew to the gory details of her sister's death, her hands tightly clasped, her lips pursed and her foot tapping.

They will be together again in June when Davis comes back up for a hearing at the California Men's Colony near San Luis Obispo. The parole board found him suitable for release in 2010, but then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger overruled the decision.

"We have been involved in this case since we were teenagers," Tate said. "Even if we could let go, the world would never let it go."

Both are adamant they will maintain the fight to keep all of them behind bars. Even though it is unlikely Manson's core group will ever be let go, they hope their resolve inspires other victims of crime.

"Both of us have been attacked by websites, viciously attacked over many, many years," Hoyt said. "I'd like to be an example to anyone who is ever a witness to a crime to come forward and be brave. Evil can be stopped, but it's up to us as people to do it."


Orca- If the world would never let it go that means you could comfortably do so.

Orcette- Why have you been attacked? Because your Shorty Shea testimony is a complete lie based on the facts you present. Because your need for attention is on par with your need for curly fries. Because attention cannot fill the emptiness in your heart.

Hey is BUG going for her vagina with his left hand? Does he think she is his mailman's wife?

Looking at Kay's glasses do you think that guy EVER got laid?

Friday, April 13, 2012

But Where Will Orca Go if No More Hearings?

--- I love that she is worried about Charlie's afterlife

--- She went the full tranny look for this interview- good for her!

--- Voice...does she smoke two packs a day or something?

--- Yup I am certain that Charlie didn't show because he didn't want to become ORCA BAIT!

Thursday, April 12, 2012

Latin Music Specialist Speaks

"After My Trial..." - Freudian Slip?

It's amazing how this fool sticks to the fairy tale- just repeats it year after year.

Charlie Paroles To Space

Charles Manson denied parole, with next parole hearing set for 2027

By Michael Martinez, CNN
April 12, 2012 -- Updated 0941 GMT (1741 HKT)
Charles Manson, shown in a June 2011 prison photo, has accumulated 108 serious disciplinary violations in prison since 1971.

Corcoran, California (CNN) -- Notorious killer Charles Manson, 77, was denied parole Wednesday after a California parole panel "could find nothing good as far as suitability" for his being paroled, a commissioner said.

Manson didn't show up for his parole hearing, which was held at a state prison in Corcoran, California, where he is serving a life sentence.

Manson's next parole hearing was scheduled for 15 years from now, meaning he could die in prison.

California Board of Parole Hearings Commissioner John Peck said that Manson has accumulated 108 serious disciplinary violations in prison since 1971 and that he has shown no indication of remorse for his nine murder convictions.

Manson hasn't participated in any self-help programs or vocational training, Peck said. Manson also hasn't shown any parole plans, he said.

Peck also cited Manson's statement to a psychologist in a prison interview on November 2, 2011, in which Manson stated:

"I am special. I am not like the average inmate. I have put five people in the grave. I've been in prison most of my life. I'm a very dangerous man," Manson told the psychologist, according to a report read aloud by Peck during the hearing.

Those statements marked a change from Manson's past denials of having murdered nine people in 1969, and the statements showed some insight into his crimes, Peck said, reading from the report.

But two-member parole panel still found the statements troubling, denying him parole and scheduling his next hearing for 15 years from now, the maximum allowed under law, Peck said.

That would put Manson at age 92 for his next hearing, unless he petitions the board for an earlier hearing.

Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira, who opposed Manson's parole at the hearing, said Manson is likely to die in prison. Sequeira said he didn't know which "five people" Manson was referring to in his statement to the psychologist.

"When you think a person will be 92 years old, it's very likely that there will be no further parole hearings for Mr. Manson," Sequeira told reporters after the 80-minute hearing concluded.

"He does not deserve to be returned to society," the prosecutor added. "He has a history of refusing to cooperate, not only with psychologists for evaluations, but also for treatment."

DeJon R. Lewis, Manson's state-appointed attorney, who has never met his client, said he didn't know why Manson didn't show up for the hearing. Manson hasn't appeared at any of his parole hearings during the past 15 years.

Manson didn't come out of his cell to participate in an interview with Lewis a month ago, Lewis told the parole panel.

"Quite frankly, I don't think he could have helped himself today by speaking on the record," Lewis told reporters after the hearing.

Manson now has been denied parole 12 times, authorities said.

Manson was initially sentenced to death for the grisly 1969 slayings of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and eight others by a group of his followers -- called his "family" -- as part of what prosecutors said was an attempt to incite an apocalyptic race war between whites and blacks during the country's massive social unrest.

Manson's death sentence was changed to life in prison after California's death penalty was overturned for a period during the 1970s.

Manson and his family staged crime scenes to appear as if African-Americans or the Black Panthers committed the murders, Sequeira told the panel. He called the stabbing and shooting deaths "domestic terror."

After the race war, Manson and his followers would emerge from their desert retreat "to rule the world," Sequeira told the panel. Manson and his followers believed the Beatles' "White Album" predicted such an apocalyptic war, Sequeira told the panel.

Debra Tate, the sister of Sharon Tate, who attended Wednesday's hearing, told the parole panel that she believed Manson declined to attend the proceeding because he didn't want to hear her or any other victim's impact statement.

"He clearly does not want to be released into the public," Tate told the parole board.

After Manson was denied parole, with his next hearing scheduled for 2027, Tate was "elated," she told reporters. She has been attending Manson's parole hearings for the past 15 years.

"I was very pleased that we will never hear from Charlie Manson again," Tate told reporters. "I don't have to see him again. For this one, it's over."

Last October, Manson was found to be in possession of an inmate-manufactured weapon and he is now being held for 15 months in isolation in a secured housing unit in the California State Prison Corcoran, said Commissioner Gilbert Robles, the other member of the two-person parole panel.

In another incident, Manson was also found to be in a possession of a cell phone, another prison violation, the panel said.

Of the 108 serious discipline violations committed by Manson in prison, 35 of them were violent, Sequeira said.

Seven of the serious disciplinary violations occurred since Manson's previous parole hearing in 2007, the prosecutor said.

Manson has a history of manipulative and controlling behavior and has a record of mental health issues, including schizophrenia and a paranoid delusional disorder, Robles said.

Manson also had a history of using drugs such as LSD, amphetamines and barbiturates, but he hasn't participated in any self-help programs for the last 11 years, Robles said.

Manson dropped out of school at 3rd grade when he was 9 years old, and he spent years in boy reformatories. But he hasn't used his prison time to obtain a GED, which is an alternative high school diploma, according to Robles and Peck.

Manson posted an IQ of 121 in 1972, which is average to high average of intellectual functioning, Sequeira said

Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Your Father Smells of Elderberries


Charles Manson's Son: Matthew Roberts Says Cult Leader Conceived Him At Orgy

The Huffington Post | By Posted: 04/11/2012 10:49 am Updated: 04/12/2012 12:11 pm

Matthew Roberts claims that he is Charles Manson's son -- but he's worried that the cult leader may die before he finds out for sure.

The man who believes that Charles Manson is his father wants to know the truth before the man who orchestrated a sseries of horrific killings dies in jail.

Matthew Roberts, 44 -- who says he was conceived at a San Francisco orgy attended by Manson in 1967 -- is worried that two inconclusive DNA tests were his last hope to confirm whether his father is the infamous cult leader, CNN's Miguel Marquez reports.

The new push for answers comes on the heels of 77-year-old Manson's latest parole hearing, which will likely be his last.

Roberts says that unless he sees "somebody scrape a piece of skin off [Manson's] ass and bring it to a lab," he can't be sure if Manson is his father, he told CNN.

Under California state law, inmates can be denied the chance to reapply for parole for up to 15 years. Another rejection after Wednesday's hearing makes Manson eligible again at 92, the Associated Press reported.

Roberts, whose mother put him up for adoption shortly after he was born, tried twice to confirm his true identity with DNA tests. But the results revealed that Manson's samples were contaminated. The New York Post reported that even Roberts' mother admits her son bears a striking resemblance to the incarcerated murderer.

"I didn't want to believe it," Roberts told the paper. "I was frightened and angry. I'm a peaceful person -- trapped in the face of a monster."

Manson is currently behind bars in Corcoran State Prison in Central California. Wednesday marked his 12th parole hearing -- he was denied and did not attend.

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this article listed Roberts' age as 41. He is 44. The article also described Charles Manson as a serial killer when actually he orchestrated a murder spree carried out by his followers in August 1969. We regret the error.

Friday, April 06, 2012

He was busy at an ATWA meeting

Charles Manson may not attend parole hearing, but lawyer will

Charles Manson

Next week convicted killer Charles Manson is set for his 12th chance before the parole board, but so far the notorious inmate informed Corcoran State Prison officials that he is not planning to attend.

Corcoran State Prison spokeswoman Theresa Cisneros said so far Manson has said that he will not be showing up for his parole hearing but as is allowed he could have a last-minute change of heart. An attorney for Manson, however, is expected to attend, Cisneros said.

It could be his final chance at freedom as the state board under Marsy's Law can now deny parole for up to 15 years. Manson is now 77.

Manson refused to participate in his last parole hearing, in 2007, describing himself as a "prisoner of the political system." He also declined to participate in any psychological evaluations that were part of that process.

He and other members of his so-called family were convicted of killing actress Sharon Tate and six other people during a bloody rampage in the Los Angeles area during two August nights in 1969. He is housed in a special unit for inmates felt to be endangered by other inmates separated from the general prison population.

Twice in the last few years, guards at Corcoran State Prison said they found phones in the notorious killer's possession. Manson called people in California, New Jersey and Florida with an LG flip phone found under his prison bunk in March 2009, The Times reported in 2011. A second cellphone was found a year later. Thirty days were added to his sentence for the first offense, officials said.

Earlier, a homemade weapon was found in his possession.

Despite the prospect that Manson will be absent, the Los Angeles County District Attorney's office said it would vigorously oppose Manson's release. "We consistently [opposed parole] and will continue to do so," spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons said.

A new photo released by the California prison system shows Manson with long, gray hair and a beard. It was released at the request of CNN.

PHOTOS: The Manson murders

In 2007 at his last parole hearing, the board concluded that Manson "continues to pose an unreasonable danger to others and may still bring harm to anyone he would come in contact with."

"Prosecutors said that Manson and his followers were trying to incite a race war that he believed was prophesied in the Beatles song "Helter Skelter."

Tate, the wife of director Roman Polanski, was 8½ months pregnant when she was killed at the couple's hilltop home in Benedict Canyon on Aug. 9, 1969.

Polanski was out of the country working on a film. Besides Tate, four others were stabbed and shot to death, including Jay Sebring, 35; Voytek Frykowski, 32; Abigail Folger, 25, a coffee heiress; and Steven Parent, 18, a friend of Tate's caretaker. The word "Pig" was written on the front door in blood.

The next night, Manson rode along with his cohorts to the Los Feliz home of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, then left three of them to commit the murders. "Death to pigs" was written on a wall, and "Healter Skelter," which was misspelled, was written on the refrigerator door.

Manson was also convicted of the earlier murder of musician Gary Hinman in his Topanga Canyon home, and the slaying of former stuntman Donald "Shorty" Shea at the Spahn movie ranch in Chatsworth, where Manson had his commune.

Manson initially was sentenced to death. A 1972 ruling by the California Supreme Court found the state's death penalty law at the time unconstitutional and his death sentence was changed in 1977 to life in prison with the possibility of parole.


-- Richard Winton

Photos, from top: Charles Manson in a recent photo; Manson in a 1968 booking photo, bottom left; and at Corcoran State Prison in 2009. Credits: California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation via KTLA News; Ventura County Sheriff’s Department; Department of Corrections.

Thursday, April 05, 2012

Let's See the Frenchman!

New photos of Charles Manson released


April 04, 2012|By Michael Cary, CNN
New photos of Charles Manson were taken in June 2011 because his appearance had changed, officials say.

The latest photos of notorious killer Charles Manson have been released by the California Department of Corrections, one week before his next parole hearing.

At the request of CNN, the department provided two photographs of Manson taken in June at the state prison in Corcoran, California. They show Manson, 77, with long, flowing gray hair, long beard and mustache.

Photos are taken of prisoners when they are transferred to other prisons or medical facilities or, in the case of Manson, when an inmate's appearance changes.

"He looks a lot different," department of corrections spokeswoman Terry Thornton said.

The last prison photo of Manson was released three years ago and showed Manson with the top of his head shaved. One distinguishing mark remains in the recent photos, a swastika tattoo on Manson's forehead.

A parole hearing is scheduled April 11 for Manson, who was initially sentenced to death for the 1969 slayings of actress Sharon Tate and six others by a group of his followers as part of what prosecutors said was an attempt to incite a race war. His death sentence was changed to life in prison after California's death penalty was overturned for a period during the 1970s.

Manson may choose not to attend the hearing. The last time he appeared at his parole hearing was 15 years ago. He has been denied parole 11 times.

Manson has not been a model inmate. A prosecutor who handled Manson's parole hearings told CNN in 2009 that Manson had a "laundry list of violations in prison."

In the past five years, Manson was punished for threatening a peace officer and for possession of a weapon, the latter happening in October when Manson was found with a sharpened pen, Thornton said.

Manson received notoriety when he was found to be in possession of a contraband cell phone ? twice ? the latest in January 2011. That incident is still under investigation. Prison officials said they tracked phone numbers in California, Oregon and Maine.