Stirring the Wasp's Nest

We got a letter from Gary's "relative." As usual the Col replies in red---

Yes I am really a relative of Gary's.Nice to meet you.

I don't need to tell you how I am related

to him. You don't need to tell me anything...unless of course you wish to be believed. Otherwise you need to tell me a lot more than this.
We never said we didn't want to be contacted.Not sure what this non sequitur means.

I can't speak for all of

Gary's relatives but his cousin and I don't mind be being contacted. Cool, maybe someone will contact you. Oh wait, Liz did.

Yes that is really

Bruce's letter. Yes that is a letter from Bobby. I wrote to them at the request

of Gary's cousin.Interesting how even they seem to doubt you are who you claim to be.


YourYou're, a contraction of "You" and "are" the one you never wants the truth.It's the only thing I do want, sister, and believing some lunatic off the internet is not how I will get it. You tried to contact me in early 2010, and when asked to offer a SHRED of proof you vanished. Maybe Liz has time to humor you. We do not.

You act like your some

big wig.I act like nothing. This site is WORDS. Anything else is your projection.

You no know nothing about Gary's life. I do.I have one question and one only, see if you answer it- how many times did you meet Mr. Hinman?

I know he wasn't a dealer and

I know your you're full of crap. Go ahead I'm through playing your game. Don't blame

Liz or Matt.Blame them for what? They censored my comment. That's their right. It is also mine to chastise them for censorship. But blame them?

Go ahead and ask me a few questions. I would be more than happy to answer

them for you.I asked you ONE above. I already know the answer but go ahead, we are waiting.

I really do care about Gary and yes I am dedicated to preserving his memory.Then you would not be doing so on a relatively new and specialized blog. Hell, you wouldn't be doing it here, and I've been at this longer than most. YOu would do so on www.GaryHinman.com. But you don't.

True I don't have any other pictures of Gary. But I don't need to explain

that tooto you either why I don't have them. You don't need to explain that unless you wish to be beiieved.

Don't try to make people look bad because you are so unhappy with your

own life. That you feel a need to make others look bad.Not at all- I feel a need to not entertain lunatics.

Liz only censored the comments so that you wouldn't badmouth Gary.Being gay is not badmouthing someone you ignorant, illiterate homophobe.

I knew you would. Because you are really pathetic. You are clairvoyant too.

True none of Gary's relatives have attended parole hearing but that doesn't

mean they don't care about him.It does send some sort of message, at least to me.
I know I do and I know two of his cousins

do also. Its It's really your problem not mine what you believe.Then why did you write to me?

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More Nutso Drivel

I wish you would stop Defaming Gary.Defamation is a legal term. I know this as a disbarred attorney from Hawthorne. You cannot defame a dead person. It is not legally possible.

Remember what comes around goes

around.The Circle Of Life! Gary was a good person with a kind heart.I believe his young music students got to see more than just his heart. Since you never

knew him you shouldn't be judging him.Did you know him? Meet him? I asked once already.

I really don't care what you think anymore.Yet you keep writing. You have a terrible attitude.Staying above the fray is hard.

I am not as peaceful as Gary was.Does that mean you don't have any MDMA? So keep pushing my buttons.

I will always remember Gary & the other victims honorably.Do you think that is what they would want or would they want the truth about their deaths to come out? WHY was Gary killed? WHO wanted him dead?

Not just because I am related to Gary. But because I think itsit's the

right thing to do and I won't ever stop defending him.You are not defending him. He is not being attacked.

Like I said please contact me. I am not afraid of you.

Like everyone else is.These are sentence fragments that make little sense- I will simply say that no one is afraid of me. Nor should they be.

BTW I am not on drugs.I believe you. I am certain that you are ignorant and illiterate and ranting without the use of narcotics.

Its really a shame you have no respect for Gary. I'm sure

he would be towards you.We be you you be me we be all together.

Actually Bruce & Bobby have more respect for others than you.

And their killers.You stopped making sense already, does your head explode soon? Did someone kill Bobby? That is what you have written.

YourYou're a real sorry human being. ItsIt's also a shame because most

of the blog owners are decent people and nothing like you. And most of them have not had to put up with cranks like you. Liz is great- give her some time.

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And now we get Liz, who is smart and articulate

Colonel, Matt responded for me earlier. i was out all day and didn't want you to think i was blowing you off. Miranda gave me enough proof that i believed her. yes those pictures were posted on TOTL, i am not sure if they are any place else. They originally come from a UCLA website. Miranda told me she had contacted Cats/Glenda a while back (years i think) and gave her those same pictures. Miranda did NOT give her those fotos. HUNDRED PERCENT. Miranda never mentioned to me contacting you or your blog.Early 2010 she did.

Besides Cats she mentioned another site but i forget the name now.

Miranda told me there were not alot of pictures of Gary, he did not like to be photographed. i believe it.Maybe. Let's say that fotos taken the year he was killed are rare. But his fucking family would have his senior prom foto. Where is that, Miranda? i hate having my picture taken and i think the last time i had my picture taken was 20 years ago when i had my daughter. i do not photograph well and cringe at the site of any photo of me. i really truly believe her, based on what she told me.I know you do. But you are young in this game and innocent.

she is a blood relative of Gary's. you mentioned on your blog, Gary's

immediate family never wanted to be bothered with the hearings.

they wanted to try to forget it all. it pains them. which i can understand.

Miranda lives on the east coast, a far and expensive trip to look at the person who participated/caused the death of one of your family members and to listen to their ever changing stories. If it were my relative, a small price to pay to keep the culprit behind bars. Not once in 43 years? theHinmans keep in contact with the parole board by mail. Gary's mother and father are both deceased now. When they were alive they had a lot of reasons why not to go to the parole hearings. over the years, especially in the beginning, they received threatening phone calls and hang ups from guess which family? the senseless crime wounded them so that they did not even want to face the killers of their son. it was NEVER spoken about. if anything related to it came on the t.v, it had to be shut off.Well that isn't healthy now is it?

people handle things diffrently, and i guess that is the way the Hinmans do it.

you mentioned on your blog that the letters from Bruce and

Bobby don't sound the same as the ones you receive.

Colonel you and i both know these people are chameleons.

the stories changed with every letter, parole hearing and interview.

they write the things they do to certain people to benefit themselves.

Case wise let me ask you this- if there was any type of drug factory, or drug dealings- don't you think it would be mentioned in a police report?This would assume that the lab was active, but Gary was leaving town in a few days.

i am sure you have read them, i have. also Gary had no drugs in his system at the time of his death. yes i know, maybe he didn't sample his wares but still.

And if she was a fake-how did it benefit her? This is the question. Why do so many people in LA tell the Col that they were headed to a big party on Cielo that night but canceled at the last minute? HELL, why do people pretend they were in OUR GANG when they were kids? They just do. she said nothing hateful about Bruce or Bobby. she remains in contact with Bruce to this day.

i don't know if you are in contact with Bruce, ask him about her-he can verify it. Miranda still exchanges mail with Bruce to this day.

And yes we gave her a fake name since she didn't want to use her real one.

You also said "these people don't want to be contacted." i never contacted Gary or Stephanie Schram's family. they contacted me.You are inverting the comment. I KNOW you didn't. But I a saying that THEY didn't either because it ain't them.

As for "censoring" your comment, one of the deal makers with Miranda was that we would not let any negative or hurtful comments through. weather you believe me or her, try to see it this way-

If one of your family was murdered in a terrible way- would you want to go on the internet and see terrible, un-true, hurtful things said about your dead family member?But they are true and I am not sure why being gay would be hurtful.

especially when someone promised you it would not happen?

and so what if Gary was gay, would that have justified killing him to rid the world of one queer? NO it wouldn't. But if we truly want to know WHY he was killed we need to look at his whole life and his sexuality is part of that, especially in 1969.

i have in no way benefited from that post. if anything all i have received is negativity. I hear ya, Evil One

hope this clears up a few things for you. Liz

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From:	Riley004583@aol.com
Sent:	Fri 1/29/10 9:31 PM
To:	colscott@hotmail.com

I too have talked with one of the victims family members. Your theory about him being a drug dealer is bunk.In other words his cousin says that this is totally false and the killers and their defense used this to mitigate exterminating a fine human being. You can go go with your theory but we know its not true.

Although I have seen you have left his name off your blog for once. And we do thank you for that.

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From:	Riley004583@aol.com
Sent:	Sat 1/30/10 9:07 AM
To:	colscott@hotmail.com

Yes I was talking about Gary. His cousin is adamant about this. He says Rumours about him being murdered as a drug debt are totally false and just used as ploy by the murderers and their attorneys to mitigate the extermination of a fine human being. He says Gary may have used Marijuana casually but

thats it. If you don't believe me why don't you ask Bruce Davis or Bobby I have written to both of them

and they have told me that Gary wasn't a drug dealer and that's not why he was murdered. Even though

they are murderers at least they have shown compassion for the victims and remorse. Something people

off the internet no nothing about. You seem so one sided and made Bobby seem like this also. Bobby

actually does care about the victims as so does Bruce I believe. Not that I want them released from prison

but I see they are at least trying to make amends for what they have done and that is good. As for Jay Sebring and Frykowski I don't know them or anyone in their family but I have my doubts that they were

dealers. But you say you know Jay's nephew so why don't you ask him? See not all the victims relatives

are like Debra Tate on a witch hunt. Yes I do enjoy your blog at times. But constantly bashing Gary is

wrong. Also he wasn't gay either and didn't have a thing for little boys as you say. I know you say don't read my blog if you don't like it. You really don't know much about Gary or the type of person he was but he was a wonderful person who just wanted to help people. But some of the victims families do read your blog think about that the next time.

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From:	Riley004583@aol.com
Sent:	Mon 2/01/10 5:56 PM
To:	colscott@hotmail.com

You are so ignorant anyway. Your blog really does suck. And you are one of the most ignorant piece

of crap producers around. By the way your name is Don Murphy isn't it. I don't care if you believe me or not.

I am glad you posted my letter because people will now see you for who you are. Keep challenging

people and I am sure it will come back to bite you. You think you know everything but you really don't.

I can Defend Gary if I want. For once I think people would love for you to just shut your big mouth.

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From:	Riley004583@aol.com
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We really don't care what you think about him. We think he was a wonderful person. He was a lot better person than you'll ever be. At least he cared about people and there feelings. Yes he did help people something you know nothing about. Yes you have defamed his character whether you believe that or not.

I don't need to read your false reports. Gary had a family that loved him and thought the world of him.

I wonder how you can go through life treating people this bad. Even Debra you badmouthed her all the time.

You really should put yourself in someone elses shoes before speaking. Debra may not be perfect but who is at least she loved her sister just like Gary's cousin loves him. Debra has helped people. I may not agree with everything she does. But I do give her credit and she seems like a strong person. Also to

the people on your blog we really don't care what you think about Gary, since really your a bunch of nobodys to us with no compassion or feelings for others. So remember your the one who has Defamed

Debra & Gary. You really don't know if Bruce has remorse or not. I say yes I have read what he says.

Your not always right just remember that.

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At no point does bitch say that she is Gary's relative. NOT ONCE. You can see the same illiteracy and ignorance. And she is DESPERATE to teach the COL a lesson and put him in his place. If she WERE a relative would she not have said so?

(and I have talked with other site masters who have similar emails)

Sorry Liz, she is not a relative, she never met Gary and MAYBE she talked to a cousin once. You were had. Better luck next time.

Me, I am used to it. Onward.

Can't Stop The Bryn

Aside from Vera showing up and claiming we are all so totally wrong just trust her word, let's get back to Bryn.

How does Lotsapoppa's bodyguard end up best friends with Dennis Wilson and hanging at the ranch?

Was Charlie really surprised that Crowe was still alive when he saw him in the corridor or was he shocked to see him testifying against him?

BTW, WHY was a drug dealer, who had kidnapped a girl, even used as a witness against Charlie?

Did Charlie really think he was a Black Panther? Wouldn't Bryn have laughed at that?

Now, if I want to buy into the idea of Charlie as mastermind, but not the psycho of Helter Skelter, how about this-

Charlie shoots Crowe and rescues Kroner. TJ and the others with him supported this. He takes the leather strap off of Bryn. He knows the guy is gonna live, but he got to play cowboy. Remember this as well- CROWE NEVER CAME AFTER HIM. Never came after anybody. Why not? Guy is still out $5000 and has lead in his belly. This is the guy that said over the phone he was gonna rape the women and make the men watch.

But maybe over the next week somebody (Bryn?) helps make the peace. Comes down to the ranch. Says get $25k and this goes away. Bryn gets scooped up in the raid but they are all out in hours.

Now Charlie needs $25k, or he needs to get out of LA. Hmm Death Valley sounds nice. Or we can get the $25k from Gary he might have it. If we assume the truth of the MDMA burn, the Frenchman owes Charlie for the Biker violence- go get it Bobby.

And Tex still owes him for ripping off Crowe to begin with.

I don't know. I just like to think like real human beings do, not like characters in a BUGliosi paranoia play.

Or course Crowe wouldn't back down. But he seems to have. Why?

The Trouble with the Nets

The trouble with these newfangled internets is that people can say they are anything. I say I am a disbarred attorney from Hawthorne California, others say I am a rich film producer (sweet!). And without absolute proof, our desire for the truth can be thwarted by a two bit moron from Des Moines.

When Clark Ronson (not his real name) started the TLB message board peripheral people did show up- Karen McCoy Montecillo, the friend of Steven Parent who claimed they dated (he liked boys, so no). But then more central figures showed up, including the legendary Ouisch. But then it turned out that Clark himself was pretending to be Ouisch.

Nelson the Molester did uncover Snake and Hoyt, but even he was desperate to speak with the central people. He even wrote an unreadable book about trying to contact them.

Guess what? They don't want to be contacted.

Clem gets outed and his mobile attorney starts throwing threatening letters.

These people don't want to be contacted.

Repeat that to yourself over and over.

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On this site I have been contacted by many imposters.

I was able to ascertain that Nancy Pitman was real.

As was the grown up child of Lauren Willett.

Others not so much.

Why do people pretend? Because it makes them feel powerful.

But these people don't want to be contacted.

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Over at the Evilliz blog (where she has censored my postings, an odd thing for someone who complained about Cats so much) someone claiming to be related or associated with Gary Hinman has spoken out.

This person has sent photos. Photos that were unearthed by Heave on her awesome site years ago.

She has sent letters that don't sound like Bruce or Bobby, but who knows, maybe they are. Whenever I speak to Bobby, MDMA is a major factor in what happened.

She has sent claims. Claims that Hinman didn't deal drugs. It is very likely he did. Claims that he wasn't gay (again, I will never understand people acting like that is a bad thing.) He most definitely was.

But, Class, take the point above (these people don't want to be contacted) and decide

- Does the alleged close Hinman associate NOT appear at any Parole Hearing for Bobby or Charlie or Bruce for FORTY TWO FUCKING YEARS and then one day show up online at a new and disorganized site and reveal "the truth"?

Sit with that thought for a minute. Let logic be your friend.

These people don't want to be contacted. Liz, I love your work, dislike your censorship but baby, you been had!

Bryn- still more on this guy

So the amazing Jon AesNihil lends us a hand and checks the Spahn arrest records and find out that it was Bryn.

Bryan Lesue Lukashevsky 21930 Canon Dr Topanga 1-28-48 M W 6-1 160 bln blu DL# P 188 944 aka Bryan Lukas

Thank you Jon.

I actually feel excited to be back. I have never seen the connection spelled out like this before.

Lotsapoppa's bodyguard during the shooting....
Close Friend of Dennis Wilson who rats out Manson....
Arrested at Spahn Ranch hanging out with the Family....

I always felt he was a key link. I still don't know what it means.

Thoughts?

Bryn, More on this Guy

A reader tells us that the third guy from the right in the photo is Bryn Lukashevski.
The guy next to Danny DeCarlo, who is dressed differently from everyone else.
Maybe Cats or someone with the caption for this photo can confirm this. Or maybe check against the arrest records.

We need to confirm this first.

If this is true, then a guy who was Lotsapoppa's bodyguard, who was best friends with Dennis Wilson and told him about the shooting, this guy is arrested at Spahn two weeks after the murders. Looking a bit dressed up like he was paying a visit.

What does this mean? I don't know yet but it is pretty fucking crazy.


(photo was originally found on the amazing Truth on Tate LaBianca site)

Rudy Altobelli 1929- 2011

Rudy Altobelli died last week. March 26, 2011. He was 82.

Pertinent TLB Facts about Rudy Altobelli

1- He owned 10050 Cielo Drive before, during and after the murders.
2- He did send Roman Polanski a bill for damages done to the house while renting it.
3- He was a music and film agent representing many luminaries of the day.
4- At one point he repped Christopher Jones, lost movie star who claims to have had an affair with Sharon Tate that probably did not happen.
5-Sold the house and watched as it was razed
6- Did not talk about what happened.

He has been cremated. No services have been planned. The LA Times has not even reported this. Not even a blaring "EX AGENT WHO OWNED MURDER HOUSE PASSES."

Rudy we hardly knew ye. RIP.

The Druggie Connection

If you believe that Drugs played a bigger part in the crimes that the BUG wanted to admit then you are forced to follow a myriad of alleyways that all seem to go no where.

Pic Dawson is cleared by LAPD, and rightly so. Same with Billy Doyle and Tom Harrigan.

But I keep wondering about Bryn Lukashevski and to a lesser extent Dale Fimple (no that's isn't a disease).

You can search for my earlier posts about Bryn.

But if you are a student of the case this guy will bother you. Why does Dennis Wilson finally disown Charlie? Because he hears of the Lotsapoppa shooting. How does he hear of it? From his close personal friend Bryn Lukashevski. How did Bryn know of it. He was there. He was one of Crowe's bodyguards. And a close personal friend of Dennis'.

Do you see what I see? There is a chunk missing, but it is a big chunk. It is like the connection is close but then it slithers away.

Bryn bodyguards a bigtime drug dealer whose house is less than ten blocks away from Mama Cass' where Pic Dawson hangs out and deals. Pic likely deals for Voytek. Mamas and Papas. Beach Boys. Celebrity. Drugs. Debra Tate's underaged nude fotos taken with Pic.

My brain hurts.

Tom O'Neill, the guy who was writing the definitive book on the case (since at LEAST 2001) I think found Bryn and/or Dale. I cannot remember.

But methinks the missing link is through this avenue. Did one of them know Rosemary?

Scorecard

There are three crappy films that are trying to get made about the TLB Murders and one half crappy one. Let's discuss.

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1- The Family-based on the book by Ed Sanders except not really since the book is just a bunch of newspaper articles strung together and typed up by mongoloids. OOO ee OOO indeed. Screenplay by the guy who wrote the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake (dear god!) Scott Kosar. Tells the story mostly through the eyes of Snake Lake, because, well, no fucking reason. Screenwriter poor, accuracy in the garbage, weak project overall. Been floating around Hollywood for at least 8 years maybe longer. Recently attached Ryan Kwanten from True Blood and nobody cared. Decent pedigree by Hollywood standards. Kosar wants to direct and well, isn't a director. About once a year they throw this up a tree and see who will salute it. Not gonna happen.
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2- The Manson Girls- now EYES OF A DREAMER- shitty script that is an abomination against god and man. Originally written by Matthew Bright who was going to direct it. Now apparently some photographer who doesn't direct is going to direct it. Tells the story through the eyes of Nancy Pitman and along the way tries to make her into a nice guy. You know, by ignoring all the bad shit she did. Wyman stirred shit up years ago by offering the role of Nancy to Lindsay Lohan. She accepted it in between lines of blow then forgot about it. No one has bothered to mention that the new director is screwy. Wyman, apparently upset that this shitfest hasn't been filmed yet, recently "offered" the role of Sharon Tate (about 3 pages in the script I have) to Lindsay Lohan. Lohan is looking at jail time and is not bondable for a film, but the offer got Wyman more attention. Too bad the film won't be happening anytime soon.

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3- The Manson Girls- shitty script by a half assed filmmaker, we started to review it and then vommed in our hat. Samantha Lo Mein is directing. Tells the story ...well it doesn't. There are made up girls and bs incidents. There is some socialite that isn't real and she tells part of the story. The chick that wrote this is nuts. She offered the roles to all sorts of actresses who are too old and wrong for the part and she didn't have the money for the film. I think she thought the fairies would finance it or something. Prognosis- doesn't matter how low the budget, the script is NONSENSE and the film won't be happening soon.

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4- The Dead Circus- cult novel that is really about the death of Bobby Fuller, 60s singer. Have not read script. Producer announces casting which is partially denied. In announcement reporter makes clear that financing not in place. Cyclops from X-Men to play short Charlie Manson (okay then) but then he refuses to say yes he is to TMZ. Director has never directed before. Story surrounds major Manson Family member Alice McMillan and her quest for the lost snuff tapes that never existed outside of Sander's bong. Silly art film that may happen since there are real people involved but if I had to vote, the computer says no.

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There that catches us up.

Why do people do this? Because they can. Maybe just maybe they think, the attention will get their shitty scripts greenlit.

Boulevard of Broken Dreams baby.

Do you want me to finish reviewing this nonsense? I will. Unless you don't give a shit.

Bobby Gives Up

I remain deeply grateful for the support I’ve received from all of you, in all the various ways each of you has given it. Some of you have written letters to the Chairman of the California parole board, and I decided to write one to him as well. You can read what I wrote to him below.

With this I am letting go of all this parole hearing business. In the letter I said what I felt there was a need to say regarding the circumstances and fairness (or lack of it) in the hearing, while being fully aware that fairness has become severely marginalized in the justice system of today.

I am fully aware, moreover, that all of this arises out of past actions. Blaming my circumstances will only imprison me in them. The hearing decision is due to become final in April. Resources required for appealing the hearing procedure violations in the courts are unavailable to me, and even if they were there is only a slim chance that such litigation efforts would produce beneficial results. The obvious course, therefore, is to cut my losses and sweep the parole hearing baggage out of my path so I can move ahead with the work there is to be done.

Of course, if there are any significant developments in any of these areas you will hear from me. Thanks again for your love and support.

Peace.

Bobby


Here is what I wrote to . . . .


Robert Doyle, Chairman
California Board of Parole Hearings

Dear Mr. Doyle,

This letter is in regards to my most recent parole hearing, which took place on December 13th 2010.

What occurred in this hearing has deeply troubled me and the people who care about me. While I understand, and fully accept, that the Board of Parole Hearings no longer has a formal appeal process, I feel compelled to bring to your attention the abnormalities that arose in the hearing. In your capacity as the Chairman of the BPH, you may have reasons to share my concerns.

As you probably know, I have been continuously incarcerated for a life crime since August of 1969. Since then I have had about twenty parole hearings, so I’m very familiar with the hearing procedures.

In earlier hearings I was always permitted to make statements relevant to the events and circumstances of the crime, and what significant developments have occurred since that tend to demonstrate acceptance of responsibility and changes in personal orientation. In my hearing this past December I was on several occasions prevented from making statements pertinent to the hearing process. Most egregiously, I was not allowed to finish making a closing statement I had prepared for the hearing. This statement was intended to relate, in terms leaving no uncertainty, my acceptance of responsibility to the victim and remorse for my participation in actions directly resulting in his death.

This dismaying development is inconsistent with my experiences in prior parole hearings. I am unaware of any changes in lifer hearing procedures that would support disallowing an inmate from making statements pertinent to the hearing process.

During his remarks in the decision phase of the hearing, the presiding Commissioner put a great deal of emphasis on crimes I did not participate in, and could not have participated in due to my imprisonment at the time they occurred. Despite there being no allegations ever brought to suggest my involvement in these other crimes, they seem to have been a primary justification for a 5-year denial. In no hearing previous to this one has it been suggested that I should be held to account for crimes I could not have been involved in committing.

I understand that prison inmates with life-top sentences have no entitlement to being granted parole. However, it is also my understanding that inmates appearing before the BPH are entitled to a fair hearing. In light of the foregoing, which is plainly evidenced in the transcript of the hearing, I fail to see how my hearing last December meets even the minimum standard for fairness by any reasonable measure.

R. BeauSoleil
March 23rd 2011

What Happened Was....

There was once a great site which was called THE MANSON FAMILY TODAY. It was run by a great guy named Bret in Iceland. He exposed convicted murderer and still uncharged LaBianca conspirator Steve Grogan as Adam Gabriel, SF Band Member who played children's parties. He sent the Col cool vids too, including one of the girls on the corner actually making Bobby's vest, which the Col owns.

Bret died of drugs. It is a shame.

I have been offered the opportunity to host his old site but I have declined. I only care about mine. I am selfish.

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There was once a site that was up way longer than Bret's. It was called CharlieManson.com. Mark Turner ran it. He ate the farts out of Debra Tate's ass, so his opinion was skewed. But he had a lot of great info on the site. It went down in early 2011. I don't know why.

I also don't care.

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There was a Yahoo group called Killed The Sixties, owned by Denise Greek and run by Heaven. Two terrific ladies. It still exists but where once it got 300 posts a day now it gets that in a year. Heaven retired. She knew too much. Nice lady.

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This is the history of TLB study going back to the Clark Ronson Board, The GoRightly abomination of a website and the site run by pedophile Bill Nelson.

What we do is transitory. People have forgotten that Bug stalked his milkman and beat his mistress. They don't know that Charlie didn't kill anyone. Life marches on.

If we are going to solve this thing we need to keep notes and pay attention.

The Official TLB Murders Blog 2.0

Good evening. Pull up a chair and join us won't you? This evening is brought to you by the dulcet tones of The Beatles as well as Lawrence Welk. Let's open a decanter of brandy and pour some...uh...libations.

Welcome back to the ONLY Official Blog that dares to ask the question "Why were nine people savagely murdered and do the people in jail really belong there." This is of course a murder case from FORTY THREE fucking years ago. Yet, because everyone involved was so damn young at the time, precious few of those associated with the case (except of course the victims) have passed away.

I am your host, ColScott. I started this blog many moons ago after being repeatedly banned from lesser sites. These sites tried to coddle the memory of the victims. They took the garbage spewed by BUGliosi in his novel HELTER SKELTER as God Given truth. They didn't want to hear about Debra's disownment, Garrettson's mental breakdowns, or BUGliosi punching out his mistress. They just wanted to oogle fucking Ouisch, or worse, pretend to be her. If you wish any of those things, the Official Blog is NOT the place to do so.

This Blog will do many things. Discuss obscure aspects of the case. Update you with news you might have missed. Argue about whether retards like Jim in New York should be allowed to breathe MY air. But everything we do here is in the service of one thing. Figuring out what REALLY happened. 9 people remain dead and the lying, full of shit prosecutor made up a motive and spoon fed it to Grandma. I want to know why they were killed. For reals.

Now I may never know. It was a longass time ago and a bunch of people want to produce bad screenplays and make more shit up. And worse, the people who DO know haven't said boo in decades so I can't count on them now. But dammit, if we don't try who will? Bret? Heaven? Mark Turner? Evidently not.

The Col as you can see has posted rarely in the last 6 months. I've been wondering, "Whither Goest The Blog?" Do I have any more to say? Is the pursuit worthwhile?

I say thee YES.

The TLB crimes remain a central crime of my lifespan. People remain fascinated with what happened this many years later. They do so BECAUSE of the lies that we seek to unravel here.

The Col is back. You are welcome to join the discussion.

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--> Now that the mighty have fallen we really only have TWO "sister" sites. There is Cat's awesome site TRUTH ON TATE LABIANCA which is a great archive and discussion site. And Evil Liz's site which is kind of a "where are they now" site. There is also some other site that steals from people so screw them.

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How to Do It........

I am sure that Scott Kosar is crying somewhere, wondering why his shit ass movie about the Family is not getting made.

Check out this actual interview with Snake.

If someone told this story correctly it would be the most brilliant film of the year.

Sadly, losers keep trying and failing.

Susana Lo says she is shooting in 2 weeks.

The Col Waits.

Who'd he Slaughter Again?

Charles Manson -- My Prison Valentine

2/15/2011 12:15 AM PST by TMZ Staff

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He's 76 years old, but infamous slaughterer of people Charles Manson is still quite the lady killer ... in fact, TMZ has learned Chuckie got an early Valentine's Day prison visit from a special female.



Officials at California State Prison, Corcoran tell us the visit occurred on Sunday morning -- the day before V-Day -- because no visitors are allowed during the week.

We're told Manson is "very choosy" about who he meets with -- and rarely accepts visits -- but for some reason, he gave the green light to spend time with a certain lucky lady.

Officials wouldn't reveal the woman's name -- but we're guessing she probably wasn't Jewish ...

The Manson Girls By Lo...a review Part the First

It took me a minute to get a copy of this script, since most people don't believe the film will even happen. The COL wanted to review it for you, so you can see a trend here of people not respecting the material enough, leading to a shitty script that never gets made for obvious reasons. But good God, mother in heaven, Holy Jesus Christ on a Fucking Rubber crutch who knew it was going to be this bad? I only read 20 pages and I need to rinse my eyes out with Bleach to eradicate some of what I read.

The first 20 pages evince a shitty structure. A complete lack of care (Roman's last name spelled as "Polansky", "it's" instead of "its", basic stuff). No visual flare whatsoever.

But forget all of that. The script MAKES STUFF up for no reason. Why in the name of hell, when you have enough material here that would work for a 5 year tv series, when you have to cut interesting stuff out, why the fuck MAKE STUFF UP? It is mind boggling. I don't mean making up a useless, pointless framing device. I am fine with that. I mean making up the back stories for the girls, all very well established by history. I mean even making up a major character. The Brad Wyman script was poorly written and dumb, and made Nancy Pitman out to be a hero. The Kosar script put bricks to sleep just by showing them a page. But this is actually OFFENSIVELY BAD.

We start out with the framing device, wherein Alice, a CNN reporter, wonders if Squeaky, now out of prison, is hanging with Sandy who she calls "Blue". She discusses this with a man named Cooper. Susanna Lo the author is a Lesbian, which is great, but the man hating kind, which is not so great. Cooper is described as a "mid-life-crisis man" whatever that means, a description she uses to describe other men in the film. This is an indication both of her lack of writing skills and her obsession with not liking men. Alice and Coop are Manson experts. Why? We don't know. They don't mention the only Official Blog. They do agree that the BUG is a lying filthy whore, and then chuckle knowingly. But then they decide they are going to do something no one has ever done- find SUMMER SUNSHINE, a socialite who hung with the Family then disappeared.

Um, what?

This is only 4 pages and already I don't care. Who are Alice and Cooper? They are obsessed with Manson, but why do I care? I have no emotional interest in them at all- they are robots. And they want to find a character that Lo made up out of her ass? Good for them. No wait, bad for them.

Now we get something so incredible I shake my head writing it. PAGES of quick vignettes introducing the girls. Really quick, really bad, like something out of the Super Friends but instead of cards reading "Aquaman" and "The Flash" we get "Lynette Squeaky Fromme" and "Linda Yana The Witch Kasabian."

The back story of each girl is interesting, in reality, as footnotes. Lo doesn't have to alter them for dramatic tension. What she does instead is alter them so they BEAR NO REALITY TO WHAT HAPPENED OR TO ACTUAL HUMAN EXPERIENCE. I really think this girl spends a lot of time living delusions.

-We start innocently enough as Papa Good picks up his three girls and the youngest stares at his new Cadillac. Don't know if this ever happened but we do get to meet Sandy.

- Next we are at a Catholic Church and we meet Mary, asleep during Mass (was she even a Catholic?) This scene could be true, but shows NOTHING about the character except that she sleeps and gets tired.

- Linda doesn't like Mom's new boyfriend, so she storms out in the street. Poor writing makes this hard to follow, but the scene adds nothing anyway.

- Squeaky smokes a joint in front of her father, who reams her for "only" getting an A- on a math test. She then puts the joint out on her arm while he watches. She then in private fires a staple gun into her arm. Twice. Maybe this stuff happened to Lo as a child. It didn't happen to Fromme.

- Leslie learns that her parents are getting divorced, eats a sandwich angrily, then goes to see her boyfriend who throws money at her for an abortion and drives away. Ummm, no, the mother MADE her have the abortion, fools.

- Gypsy goes to the Hollywood Mortuary (really?) for her mother's funeral then plays angry violin tunes at her blind dad. Okay....

-Katie allows some boy to fuck her under the bleachers, then cries because she is ugly and then chews on a crucifix (was she Catholic? I am asking because I don't know and don't care but there is a lot of references in this script to Catholic shit).

- This one takes the cake! Mr. Atkins fights with Mrs. Atkins and KILLS her. Yes KILLS HER. He did it, not cancer. And apparently he was very fat (no he wasn't). While he does this Sadie's brother Michael and three close friends all fuck young Sadie who doesn't care.

- Summer Sunshine, some rich bitch, walks on the Berkeley Campus with a BLACK MAN (omg!)

Summer meets Mary at the Library (she seems to be HEAD LIBRARIAN now, holy shit) Mary introduces Squeaky, who now in her second scene is still smoking a joint.

We see Sadie at the Kit Kat Club. The stage is "sticky with a lot of pussy." Yes she wrote that. Sadie onstage shoots up heroin. She convulses with an overdose. Sigh.

Sadie recovers in the hospital. Doesn't know what VD is.

Page 20 is really annoying because it shows the author doesn't even care about how her characters relate. Squeaky never called herself that. Mary never said "Hi I'm Mother Mary". People did call them that. But they never went around introducing themselves that way.

1/5th of the movie is over. There's no lead and no one I give a shit about. By now the first act should be over and it should be clear what the goal of the protagonist is.

I'll finish the review, but this thing is a mess. Full of Fabicated Garbage.

First some Clorox....

Sexy Sadie, Who is that Man? Oh....

Heather Matarazzo, actress, with her big and husky Girlfriend plays Sexy Sadie, she who would lay down with any man....
Sure, okay....

Follow The UnMade Films

Brad Wyman has a film called THE MANSON GIRLS. It was the world's shittiest script. It featured BRENDA/Nancy Pitman as the main character. They wanted to use Lindsay Lohan as Brenda. It has yet to be made after four years.

Scott Kosar has a film called THE FAMILY. It tells the whole story through the eyes of Dianne Lake. This script was so misguided and poorly written that blog members made me stop reviewing the script because there was no point. This script is being produced by the Gotham Group, a management company for Animators , who don't know how to produce movies. So this ain't happening. An Australian Cable TV actor is scheduled to play Manson. Kosar announced this film 8 years ago after his tepid remake of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

And NOW---

PARK CITY, UTAH January 26, 2011, 12:42 pm ET

A new movie directed by Susanna Lo will focus on the female followers of cult leader Charles Manson.

Production on "Manson Girls" will begin this spring, Lo announced Monday at the Sundance Film Festival. Lo wrote the screenplay for the film, which will examine the lives of eight young women who were followers of Manson.

The cast includes Taryn Manning, Heather Matarazzo, Tania Raymonde and Monica Keena.

Manson and three women followers were convicted in Los Angeles in 1971 of murder and conspiracy in the 1969 slayings of seven people, including actress Sharon Tate.

Lo said she became interested in the story when she realized she was living across the street from the house once occupied by Leno LaBianca and his wife, Rosemary, who were killed the next night.

She decided the most interesting element of the story was what made the girls fall under Manson's spell.

"I wanted to tell their early story when they were teenagers to before the Tate-LaBianca murders. That was much more fascinating to me. Why and how. How could this tiny, strange man from prison and almost a derelict completely attract all of these fantastic girls?" Lo said.

"I thought that was a very innovative way to tell the story," said Raymonde, who will play Manson follower Leslie Van Houten. "I thought that it wasn't exploitative at all ... and it wasn't putting any focus on Manson because I think one of the most interesting aspects is you never see him in the film."

Keena was so intent on playing Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme that she studied her intensely before her audition and now knows "everything about her."

"It gives you a chance to have some sort of empathy toward them that you might not have had before," Keena said. "I'm not saying you should forgive them, but there's a method to their madness, let's say."

Songs from the 1960s will help drive the story. Guy Allison of the Doobie Brothers will compose the music for the film.

Manson is serving a life sentence in a California prison. He has a devoted fan base, which concerns Manning.

----------and the Col explains it all for you

1- Director has never had a film that anyone has ever seen, including her mom
2- No producer mentioned. No money source. No studio. Because there isn't any.
3- One fat lesbian actress (Heather) one actress who never had a career (Taryn) and one actress who used to be hot (Keena) with NO ONE
4- Lots of attention seeking at Sundance. "Look at me" means "I need funding."

The definitive movie will be made someday. These cheap imitations? Meh.

Kansas....?

40th Anniversary of Charles Manson conviction remembered in Wichita Falls

Continue reading on Examiner.com: 40th Anniversary of Charles Manson conviction remembered in Wichita Falls - Wichita Falls Law Enforcement




Forty years ago today prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi stood in a charged Los Angeles courtroom as the jury returned a verdict of guilty against Charles Manson for his involvement in a murder spree.

Bugliosi said in a Wichita Falls speech not long ago that the seven people would never have been murdered by the small band of people were it not for Manson.

Several Wichita Falls lawyers and other residents who heard Bugliosi's intriguing speech remembered the famed prosecutor referring to Manson as having so much influence over the actions of his followers that they were like robots he sent out to murder people.

Bugliosi also said during part of his Wichita Falls speech at the University Club that, "He would have killed as many people as he could have. That was his religion. His followers killed with relish."

The killing machine that Manson directed stabbed pregnant actress Sharon Tate to death along with four other people in the mansion she shared with director Roman Polanski.

The very next day Manson ordered his "band of robots" to murder affluent businessman Leno LaBianca and his wife Rosemary in their Los Angeles home.

Bugliosi also said that the Manson murders would never have occurred if the California prison system had followed Manson's request. When Charles Manson was in prison on other charges before the murders, he asked California officials to keep him locked up in prison. His request was denied, and he was released against his will.

Most Wichita Falls attorneys agree with Bugliosi that Manson will probably never be released from prison again.

Only last week Manson disciple Patricia Krenwinkle went before the parole board and requested her freedom at age 63.

The California parole board denied her request saying the crime was too serious.

Another disciple Susan Atkins died from cancer in prison after the parole board denied her request for mercy.

Evidence showed Susan Atkins stabbed Sharon Tate to death while the helpless actress begged for mercy.

"She asked me to spare her," Atkins said. "I told her I didn't have any mercy for her."

The parole board returned the favor by denying Atkins mercy.

Leslie Van Houten was involved with stabbing victim Rosemary LaBianca 16 times the next night. The former homecoming queen has been denied parole 19 times.

Manson was convicted on January 25, 1971.


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Peace in The Waking World

Dear Friends and Loved Ones,

Our earlier message, in which we provided the address for the California parole board and the name of its chairman, was intended for those among you who might be inclined to write a letter protesting the manner in which my parole hearing last month was conducted. I would not presume to suggest that you write such a letter. We provided the information simply by way of opening an avenue for expressing directly to the chief of parole hearings the disappointment, frustration, critical opinions, indignation, dismay, etc., regarding the hearing that many of you have expressed in writing to me.

Some of you have written to ask for guidance in writing a letter to the parole board. To that I would say, simply, write whatever is on your heart to say . . . or not, as the case may be. Nothing you say to that agency in a letter can do me harm, so, if you write one, be fearless.

I can certainly relate to the frustration and dismay many of you have expressed. To be confronted, after all these years, by such obstinate refusal to examine with honesty and integrity the evidence of my 41 years prison history, and the progression to the mature understanding of my responsibility that it represents, makes the hearing I recently experienced almost completely incomprehensible. The level of prejudice was beyond the pale. That the presiding commissioner would prevent me (twice, in two consecutive hearings) from making a closing statement that would demonstrate my having come to terms with the full magnitude of my responsibility to the man whose life I took and everyone affected by my actions, 41 years ago, makes a mockery of the very definition of a parole hearing.

A transcript of the hearing would be helpful in conveying to you a better sense of what happened. Unfortunately, the hearing record won’t be made available until after the decision in the hearing becomes final. By that time the outside chance that letters might have some influence on the final decision will have passed. The best I can offer is my assurance that what I have related to you is accurate.

There were no holes in the presentation that was prepared for the hearing. This included a comprehensive history of educational, vocational, and insight development programs I’ve availed myself of, all of the work that I’ve done over the years, as well as personal creative endeavors, and long-term involvement in youth outreach. The numerous letters of support from family, friends, citizens of the world community, and corrections officials, included solid employment offers and affirmed residences in two states. There were no new misconducts, and in fact a disciplinary report that had been an issue in the previous hearing had since been expunged from my record in the interest of justice. Since the previous hearing I had even added a couple of new college courses to my resume.

All of this was lost on the presiding commissioner and his assistant. They were obviously more interested in using my hearing to take a remote swipe at Manson, with references to crimes I was in no way involved in, and could not have been involved in, than in giving me a fair hearing on the merits of my own case history.

So, yes, there are some significant reasons for all of us to feel some frustration and dismay at this juncture.

Don’t hesitate to put you views and feelings into writing, if you are inclined to do so. Here, again, is the address:

CDCR – Board of Parole Hearings
ATTN: Robert Doyle, Chairman
P.O. Box 4036
Sacramento, CA 95812-4036

The problem with California’s parole board, it seems to me, is that over the past couple of decades it has increasingly become insulated in the state’s political morass. It won’t hurt the people involved in that agency to be reminded by private citizens – including you citizens in other countries – of the principles they were appointed to uphold.

I was a bit surprised by the resounding response to the reservations I had expressed in my earlier message, in regards to writing my book. Many of you wrote words of encouragement, for which I am grateful. Be assured that I am empowered with fresh resolve to devote my energies to whittling away until the book has fully taken shape, without getting hung up in where the chips may fall. There is a story that must be told and (as more than one of you said) there isn’t anyone else who can do it. Doing what is the right thing to do with dedication to the highest principle naturally means letting go of concerns about perceptions or possible outcomes. Damn the torpedoes!

Peace in the waking world, peace in dreams, peace in the deepest level of being.

Bobby

Making Up Lies for Attention

A Letter From Barbara Hoyt
copyright 2000 by
Barbara Hoyt

Dear Board of Prison Terms:

My name is Barbara Hoyt. I was a prosecution witness in the many Manson trials, including the Shorty Shea murder trials. I testified against Bruce Davis, Steve Grogan, and Charles Manson.

I have now 30 years later watched the parole hearings for Bruce Davis and read the transcripts for Steve Grogan, provided to me by Bill Nelson. Both of them have grossly misrepresented the facts to you. About a week or two after the Aug. 16, 69 sheriff’s raid at Sphan's ranch, in the afternoon, I was sitting on a rock in the parking area in front of the boardwalk. Near me were Brenda, Gypsy, and Squeeky. One of them said, as Shorty walked towards George Sphan's house, "there goes Shorty snooping around again" and another one answered her " yea well, he'll be taken care of."

One night not long after, I went to go to sleep in one of the trailers at the back of the ranch overlooking the creek bed below. At about 10 o’clock at night, just as I laid my head on the pillow, I heard a long, loud, blood curdling scream, which came from about 50-75 feet away from me from up stream. Then it was quiet for a minute or so, and then the screams came again, and again, again, again,....They seemed to go on forever.

I recognized the screams of Shorty's voice. I can still hear those screams today, exactly as I heard them that night. I have absolutely no doubt that Shorty was being murdered at that time.

Early the next morning, I asked Gypsy, who was in the Rock City Cafe at the ranch house end of the board walk if she had heard Shorty screaming last night, and she told me very sternly that Shorty had gone to San Francisco. Later that morning Charlie was bragging to Danny DeCarlo about how "Shorty committing suicide with a little help from us." Charlie went on to say " I stabbed him and Shorty asked, "Why Charlie? Why?" and I told him this is why! And I stabbed him again, that he was real hard to kill when we brought him to NOW. That we all kept stabbing him until Clem cut his head off!. And we cut him up into 9 pieces and buried him around the ranch."

He asked Danny "if lye or lime would get rid of the body." I was only a couple of feet away from Danny at the time and Charlie knew that I was there.

I didn't see the murder even thought I did try to look out that window and obviously I don't know exactly how they killed Shorty but his death must have been very painful to make him scream as he did. But I do know that Shorty was killed at about 10 o’clock at night, under a full moon, and not in the afternoon as the killers are telling you. I also know that the murder occurred about 50+ feet up stream from the ranch and not the mile or so down Santa Susanna Pass road again as the killers are telling you.

Bruce has told you that he was afraid of the family, and that he was afraid of Tex. This is a blatant lie, because Bruce was older and vying for a leadership role in the family, or at least a second in command to Charlie.

He was the only other male to have worn Charlie’s embroidered vest. He lectured like Charlie when Charlie was not there. Other members in the family killed more people for Charlie but knowing that the family was committing murders, Bruce wanted to lead them.

I am well aware that the body of Shorty Shea was recovered intact and was not dismembered as Charlie had claimed. And that his body was located about where they claimed to have killed him. They may have buried him there but it is not where he was killed.

I am against Bruce Davis getting a parole date for 3 reasons:

1. Because he wanted to be a family leader even though he knew the family was committing murder {i.e. Gary Hinman} and not just to follow Charlie.
2. He is lying even to this day about the time and place of the murder.
3. I believe he is lying about fearing Tex, people in the family were more afraid of Bruce than Tex.

I find it curious that even as he professes to be a Christian today that he is still lying to you.

Thank you for considering my letter and I request my address not be revealed to the inmate or to his attorney (who would give him that information) Bruce M. Davis parole Hearing 2-2-2000 at CMC.

Respectfully yours,

Barbara Hoyt

Talking Turkey

Look, it's obvious, they AIN'T GETTING OUT ever. The Bug wrote in the back of the novel that the girls would get out in 25 years. But even with the BUG approving of Susan's release, hopping out the door on one leg like some sort of refugee from Watership Down, it didn't happen. And you know why, really? Because nobody CARES anymore. Does that sound oxymoronic? It actually isn't. Follow the bouncing Colonel.

The Family started 44 fucking years ago. The murders were 41 years ago, the trials were 40 years ago. That's 179 in Panda Years. I mean it was forever ago. These killers were YOUNG ass back there and they are living forever. But it was also a different world. If you got in your DeLorean and went back there you wouldn't last a day. Might as well go back to 1066. Kids today don't remember Reagan. Palin shows up and you compare her to McCarthy and people are like "ummm what?" It's like the guy who was in the Tower of London dungeon for decades (I'm making this up but you'll follow it.) because the King put him there for jaywalking. It's like three Kings later, no one knows why he's there, but they ain't gonna be the ones to let him out just in case THEY catch shit. They don't CARE enough to even deal with it.

According to the law they all should be out. No, idiot about to yell at me, that doesn't mean they belong out or I want them out. The law says they are entitled to Parole. The brilliant Catch 22 that has sprung up is "You want out, which means you aren't sorry so we won't let you out. Only by agreeing to stay here to we believe you are sorry." Like in Life of Brian - "I'm not the Messiah...only the true Messiah denies his divinity." They can't win. One does wonder why they show up.

But if Sadie didn't get out, what chance do the rest of them have? Katie killed more people and though she didn't dance in a pregnant woman's blood volume doesn't get you a discount. Leslie had a meeting with JimNY which is enough to keep her locked up for life, with daily horsewhippings. Charlie's happy being the bad man. Bobby would like to be out but that whole story is so confused who knows. Bruce is the Zodiac Killer and probably killed John Lennon psychically....

Sorry I came undone. They are never getting out NOT because of who they killed but because whoever lets them out lets out a Mansonite. And this will never do. So aside from some special face time in which Debra can weep and rewrite history, the hearings are a parade.

What I would LOVE is for one of them to say next time, "You are right I don't deserve to be out, I skip the hearing" and then for their lawyer to say- "Aha, they are sorry, let them out." But that would be too easy....

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One commenter recently asked me what I meant by the BUG perjury. That person should go read the rest of the blog going back years now.

1- The BUG didn't need to present a motive to win the case. He had the actual killers cold with real evidence. He didn't have Charlie because, well he didn't kill anybody. So he concocted a motive and sold it to the jury. Any person with a brain can see that today. It's obvious. And Aaron Stovitz told me himself.
2- The BUG testified under oath that he didn't bring the LA TIMES with the Nixon headline into the courtroom. He did.
3- The BUG wrote a book which is self-serving and full of clear lies.

He also stalked his milkman for allegedly fucking his wife and beat up his mistress.

Fuck the Bug.

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I will review the MANSON NOW book. Suffice it to say it has nothing new to add.

Not Sure About the Nephew Weeping about the Uncle He Never met, but anyway....

Charlie Manson follower Krenwinkel denied parole

By LINDA DEUTSCH
AP Special Correspondent

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/20/v-print/2024644/manson-follower-faces-parole-hearing.html#ixzz1BdlLnWrS

In a decision suggesting that the brutal Sharon Tate murders are unforgivable, a parole board panel refused to consider releasing Patricia Krenwinkel, who told the board she killed for the love of Charles Manson.

The two-member panel made clear Thursday that it was the horror of the killings, one of the most notorious of the 20th century, that led them to reject the bid for parole in spite of Krenwinkel's efforts to change her life.

They said that the murders of seven people in an extremely atrocious manner had impacted the entire world as evidenced by letters which came in from around the globe urging that she be kept behind bars.

"These crimes remain relevant," said parole commissioner Susan Melanson. "The public is in fear."

Melanson and Deputy Commissioner Steven Hernandez issued their decision after a four-hour hearing and more than an hour of deliberations at which Krenwinkel wept, apologized for her murderous deeds and said she was ashamed of her actions.

Members of victims' families also cried and recalled their suffering after the murders and called for her to be kept behind bars. Melanson said the notoriety of the crimes and their viciousness weighed heavily in the decision.

"This is a crime children grow up hearing about," she said, and noted that Krenwinkel failed to understand the worldwide impact.

"The panel concludes that she is not suitable for parole and would present an unreasonable danger if released," she said. She referred to seven victims who were brutally murdered over two nights in a crime which she said could be classified as a hate crime because of overtones of wanting to foment a race war.

"This was a depraved act by a group of individuals who find it difficult to explain their actions," she said.

The panel had the option to deny parole for up to 15 years. Melanson said they felt that was unnecessary and commended Krenwinkle for making progress in her life behind bars, participating in self-help programs and other positive contributions.

"While we want to commend you for the positive, you are unsuitable for parole and require an additional seven years of incarceration," she said.

Krenwinkel was told she could request a parole hearing earlier if her situation changes.

Krenwinkel, who has been imprisoned longer than any other woman in California, told the parole board earlier Thursday that she threw away everything good in herself and became a "monster" after she met Manson.

In reference to Krenwinkel's claim that she was seeking approval from Manson when she killed, Melanson said "The panel finds it hard to believe a person can participate in this level of crimes and can't identify anything but 'I wanted him to love me.'"

Krenwinkel, one of Manson's two surviving female followers, has maintained a clean prison record in her four decades behind bars, but her chances for release appeared slim following parole rejections in other Manson cases.

During her hearing, the 63-year-old was soft-spoken and contrite in response to board members' questions, describing the downward spiral of her life after she met Manson.

"Everything that was good and decent in me I threw away," she said.

It was her father, she said, who helped her realize during his visits to her in prison, "what had happened, and the monster I became."

She said she tells those she counsels in prison, "I am someone you would never have wanted to be, and here are the steps you can take to never go to the dark places I have been."

Krenwinkel's claim that she is rehabilitated was met by anger and opposition from Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira and families of the victims, who argued for Krenwinkel's continued incarceration.

"If she truly had remorse, she wouldn't come to these parole hearings, and would say, 'I accept the punishment,'" Sequeira said.

Debra Tate, sister of Sharon Tate, then tearfully recounted the pain her family endured from the killings. She denounced Krenwinkel for never having written a letter of apology to the families.

"I want to believe the human condition is capable of change," Tate said. "I believe in the possibility of reform. But I know what I am looking at, and I don't see it here."

She told the board through tears that, "Whatever decision you make I will live with. But every time I sit in this chair I have to think, what will happen if they come out? What will society do?"

Anthony Di Maria, the nephew of Jay Sebring, who was killed along with Tate, cried throughout his words to the board, and said the parole hearings "send us back to hell, year after year."

"I wish I had forgiveness to give," Di Maria said.

Krenwinkel was convicted along with Manson and two other female followers in seven 1969 murders, considered among the most notorious crimes of the 20th century.

None of those convicted has ever been paroled and one of them, Susan Atkins, died in prison last year after being denied compassionate release when she was terminally ill with cancer.

Leslie Van Houten, 61, the youngest of the women convicted, was long thought to be the most likely to win eventual release. But she was denied a parole date last summer by officials who said she had not gained sufficient insight into her crimes.

Parole boards have repeatedly cited the callousness, viciousness and calculation of the murders committed by members of the Manson Family.

Krenwinkel admitted during her trial that she chased down and stabbed heiress Abigail Folger at the Tate home on Aug. 9, 1969, and participated in the stabbing deaths of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca the following night. Both homes were defaced with bloody scrawlings. She was convicted along with Manson, Van Houten and Atkins. Another defendant, Charles "Tex" Watson was convicted in a separate trial.

All were sentenced to death but their sentences were commuted to life when the U.S. Supreme Court briefly outlawed the death penalty in 1972.

In her 40 years at the California Institution for Women, Krenwinkel has earned a bachelor's degree and participated in numerous self help programs as well as teaching illiterate prisoners how to read. In recent years, she has been involved in a program to train service dogs for the disabled.

She said she has made arrangements for the possibility that she could be released, and would change her name and leave the state.

Krenwinkel's lawyer, Keith Wattley, argued at the hearing that the law says if someone is serving life with the possibility of parole, they must be given parole unless they are deemed to be currently dangerous, which he said she is not.

Asked to make her own final case to the board, Krenwinkel wept profusely, wiping her eyes with a tissue, and said, "I'm just haunted each and every day by the unending suffering of the victims, the enormity and degree of suffering I've caused."

Her voice rising in the silent room, she nearly shouted, "I'm so ashamed of my actions. The victims had so much life left to live."

Cult leader Manson, now 75, refused to appear at his most recent parole hearings where he was denied a release date. His multiple disciplinary violations and refusals to participate in rehabilitation activities make it likely that he will never be released.

At times he has said that he does not want his freedom and considers prison his home.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/20/v-print/2024644/manson-follower-faces-parole-hearing.html#ixzz1BdkyR0JE

Linda Deutsch, Master of the Obvious

Charles Manson follower Patricia Krenwinkel has slim chance at parole

Linda Deutsch

CORONA, Calif. - A follower of Charles Manson who has been imprisoned longer than any other woman in California is facing a parole hearing on her conviction in the Sharon Tate killings.

Grey-haired Patricia Krenwinkel, one of Manson's two surviving female followers, has maintained a clean prison record in her four decades behind bars, but her chances for release appear slim following the parole officials' rejections in other Manson cases.

Krenwinkel, 63, was convicted along with Manson and two other female followers in seven 1969 murders, considered among the most notorious crimes of the 20th Century.

None of those convicted has ever been paroled and one of them, Susan Atkins, died in prison last year after being denied compassionate

In this photo taken Tuesday Jan. 18, 2011, released by the California Institution for Women showing Patricia Krenwinkel, one of two surviving women followers of Charles Manson involved in the Sharon Tate killings. Krenwinkel, faces a parole hearing Thursday Jan. 20,2011. After four decades behind bars, she is the longest incarcerated woman in the California prison system. (AP Photo/California Institution for Women)

release when she was terminally ill with cancer.

Leslie Van Houten, 61, the youngest of the women convicted, was long thought to be the most likely to win eventual release. But she was denied a parole date last summer by officials who said she had not gained sufficient insight into her crimes.

Parole boards have repeatedly cited the callousness, viciousness and calculation of the seven murders committed by members of the Manson Family.

Krenwinkel admitted during her trial that she chased down and stabbed heiress Abigail Folger at the Tate home on Aug. 9, 1969 and participated in the stabbing deaths of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca the following night. Both homes were defaced with bloody scrawlings. She was convicted along with Manson, Van Houten and Atkins. Another defendant, Charles "Tex" Watson was convicted in a separate trial.

All were sentenced to death but their sentences were commuted to life when the U.S. Supreme Court briefly outlawed the death penalty in 1972.

In her 40 years at the California Institution for Women, Krenwinkel has earned a bachelor's degree and participated in numerous self help programs as well as teaching illiterate prisoners how to read. In recent years, she has been involved in a program to train service dogs for the disabled.

She has had a discipline-free record in prison. But so have a number of other Manson followers who have been refused parole. Last year, a number of them came before parole panels but were turned away.

Manson follower Bruce Davis was able to win a parole date only to have it revoked by former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger who said that his release would be a danger to society. The 67-year-old Davis was convicted of the 1969 murder of musician Gary Hinman but had no involvement in the Tate-LaBianca killings.

Robert Beausoleil, 63, also convicted in the Hinman murder, was denied parole last year and told to come back to the board in five years.

Cult leader Manson, 75, refused to appear at his most recent parole hearings where he was denied a release date. His multiple disciplinary violations and refusals to participate in rehabilitation activities make it likely that he will never be released. At times he has said that he does not want his freedom and considers prison his home.

Happy New Fear!

Because Fear Makes us More Aware, LOL.

I am trying to figure out why posts aren't posting when they should. But anyway....

People keep writing me about the evilliz blog. She's a bit loony but a nice enough loon. She seems focused on finding pictures of TLB Players since the case times...right up to modern times. That amount of work makes the Col's nut sack shrivel up in tears. I like the pictures of TJ, don't get me wrong. And the pictures of Ruth Ann, should they be real, are fascinating to look at. But the point of this, the ONLY Official TLB Blog, is to try to get to he truth of the crimes. A truth that has been lost thanks to the lies and perjury of Vinnie T. BUGliosi, the great lover of Latin music. If photos of modern day people are helpful, I will surely run them here. Steve Grogan, aka Adam Gabriel definitely knows more than he told. He still has yet to be charged for the LaBianca killings. He has a conviction for exposing himself to children. He is seen in the Hendrickson documentary endangering some kids. He disappears for years. Fine. When it comes out that he is in a band that plays children's parties, that IS news and relevant and we will discuss it here.

This has nothing to do with psycho Monkeyboy or two bit lawyers without actual offices. Ruth Ann likely could add many details to the story of the Family; she doesn't know shit about the murders. She's lived her life as far as I can tell well. If Liz or anyone wants to out her, I neither approve nor disapprove. I'm just not gonna do it. Nancy Pitman the same. As far as I know she didn't kill anyone and isn't still on the run. She likely did go back the first night to the Tate House, but this isn't a crime. She got lucky with a LOT of shit, especially the Stockton murders, but she paid her time. If Evil Liz wants to obsess about her, hey, I don't even know who Liz IS, not my problem. Also not my interest.

Cat's site is now the gold standard since Bret died. Her site is The Times of London. We're the New York Times. Liz is People magazine. All three have their place in the world.

The Triumphant (okay, not) Return of MONKEYBOY

December 24, 2010


Col,

I want to make sure that you're fully aware of what some of your blog members have been up in regards to the recent picture postings of Ruth Ann Moorehouse.

My understanding is that these pictures of Ruth Ann may have been acquired from screen caps of a wedding video of one of her sons. First of all, the very fact that these individuals, who all seem to be associated with YOU felt the need to stalk her sons accounts to acquire these images of Ruth Ann is just creepy unto itself. Secondly, I know for a fact that Ruth Ann did not give her permission for these photographs to be put up on display anywhere for people to just come in and copy them.

There's a right to privacy issue here that involves a woman who is living a "Normal" life and who is working and who is making her own living. This unwanted exposee that Elizabeth Russell aka "Evil Liz" from Connecticut is doing is a pure vanity play on her part that could do irreperable damage to Ruth Ann's life as well as the lives of her family.

We already went through this argument once before with Steve Grogan and we know that Steve lost his job as a result of someone else's overzealousness. I DON'T want to see that happen to Ruth Ann.

Why am i contacting you? Simple, because these people who are stirring things up are members of your blog. All of the problems in cyberspace that arise, in regards to this case, all seem to ripple back to your blog. Then again, being the "Head of the Snake", that comes as no surprise to me.

What i'd like to ask you to do is to stop Evil Liz from having any additional private wanking sessions to Ruth Ann's photographs and for Liz to re-open her blog to the public so that we know that she is complying with this request.

As i'm sure you may already know, I put up a video of Joshua Zelinsky on my page. We all know the story behind Joshua, as well as many others, whose names, addresses and phone numbers are in my possession. I hold YOU responsible for what happens to Ruth Ann and I want to make sure that you clearly understand where this is going.

If you do not talk some sense into Elizabeth Russell of Bristol / New Britain CT, then i will personally contact Joshua Zelinsky and we'll get this party started. I might even contact Philip Gronowski and wish him a Merry Christmas as well.

Do yourself a big favor - talk to Evil Liz and get her to stop this shit before things get out of hand.

Respectfully,

Jim
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Fucking Monkey actually wrote that on Xmas Eve- the sad sack of shit
My reply-

I do not know who Josh or phil are. I do know who you are. Very well indeed

1. I have nothing to do with the Liz blog
2 You are a stupid, moronic asshole who nobody likes. You should go eat a bag of shit and reflect upon that.

Repeat

Eat a bag 0f shit and pull yourself together.

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Hey Bigmouth,

Nobody likes me???? Boo Fucking Hoo. As if i really give a damn about any of you blog homo's.

You're all a bunch of tabloid junkies who drool over a case that nobody really gives a shit about anymore.

Even your boy "Bobby" got old on you, but i'll bet he still takes it in the ass and will continue to do so for the next "5" years.

The people who are on your blog are the scum of the earth. A bunch of self righteous little shits who jack off to STOLEN pictures because that's as close to the case, or anything new in this case, that they'll ever get to.

Your DYING blog is proof of that. It's nothing more than a waste of time that will yield you NOTHING.

I know YOU all too well also. You're a cocksucker, LITERALLY, but that comes as no surprise to me.

A few people that i actually thought were "Decent", turned out to be douchebags, but then most of the people who OBSESS over this case pretty much are just that.

Go read some books and see if you'll learn anything NEW - Which you WON'T.

NONE of the locked up MANSONITES will ever Get out so you will learn NOTHING.

It's over for you and your blog.

You're down to creepy crawling facebook pages for photographs - What a fucking bunch of LOSERS you people are. Really. That's just so pathectic.

Eat Shit and Die - Slowly.

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Monkeyboy- you are a homophobe apparently, delusion, fat, stupid and ugly. Really, take an overdose of something nasty and save some oxygen.

Energy Sapping

December 16,2010


Sisters and brothers, family, loved ones, friends . . .

The parole hearing occurred last Monday (Dec 13), as scheduled. It was an energy sapping experience. In the several days since then I have put my focus on restoring my energy levels and marshalling my thoughts for what I would say to you now. Keeping all of you in suspense was not my intent. I just needed to catch my breath, so to speak.

On the face of it the hearing did not go well at all. The best place to begin describing what happened is with a brief recap of my last hearing two years ago, because what happened this week was a carryover from that hearing.

The presiding parole board commissioner in the 2008 hearing was an unwavering adherent to the most grotesque pop culture rendition of the Manson mythology, who avowed to being “personally offended” by some of the rhetoric Manson has been described as espousing back in the sixties. I dislike making judgments of other people every bit as much as I dislike having judgments, misjudgments or prejudgments, applied to me. So I will confine this account to a characterization: Imagine a man with his fingers in his ears, blinders on his eyes, and his mouth moving unceasingly with fatuous refusal to brook any point of view but his own. There is just no breaking through such a density of egoism. To have one’s personal situation be at the mercy of that sort of willful ignorance is no easy thing to accept.

The 2008 hearing resulted in a five-year denial of parole. The hearing commissioner was determined to apply a new law that tripled the parole denial periods allowed under California law beyond what they had been, even though the new law had not yet been enacted. A few months later I learned that I had become the beneficiary of a class action lawsuit that I didn’t even know had been filed, challenging the premature application of the new law. The five-year denial in my 2008 hearing was modified to a two-year denial.

Attorney Steven Moretz volunteered, on a friendship basis, to represent me in the 2010 hearing. He is a good man, and a competent lawyer, and I was moved to accept his offer.

I was encouraged to make an all-out effort in preparation for this hearing. Steve spent uncounted hours researching the records and meticulously preparing a presentation for the hearing that included an accounting of all of my skills, accomplishments, community resources and support. Numerous letters (close to fifty) were received from my relations, friends, media industry professionals, and Oregon DOC administrators who have worked with me for many years – collectively making a powerful statement – and these were compiled into an impressive packet of supporting exhibits. I wrote myself notes for points that I wanted to raise during the hearing, and prepared a closing statement expressing my acceptance of responsibility for the choices I made and the actions I committed that exacted such a heavy price.

Last Monday morning my hearing was delayed about 40 minutes because the commissioner who had been scheduled to conduct the hearing – a fair man, reputedly – was replaced, literally at the last minute, by the same commissioner who had chaired the 2008 hearing. Again the fingers in the ears, the blinders the fatuous mouthings of unctuous gibberish. Frequently during the hearing, relevant remarks I attempted to offer were suppressed. Again, as in the 2008 hearing, I was not permitted to make the closing statement I had prepared. And at the end, with dogmatic references to crimes I was not and could not have been in any way involved in, the commissioner re-invoked that once-thwarted five year denial.

Although I made a commitment to put my best effort forward for this hearing, I did so without expectations, without hope, without fear. Consequently, my spirit is not crushed by the outcome. I am experiencing some disappointment, however. For many years I have held the belief that at some point the determination of circumstances would come into an arena where saner, more reasonable minds would prevail. At this point I’m wondering if holding onto such a belief is naïve.

My lawyer went at his preparations for the hearing, and the hearing itself, with an eye to taking the matter on appeal to the courts in the event I was not granted parole this time. I’m not an attorney, but it seems to me that the violations of due process in this hearing were so egregious that the record will easily support an effective writ. Taking something like this into court and following through carries significant expense, however, beyond what I can manage with the resources I currently have available to me. If anyone has any ideas about how I can earn some cash to pursue this relief, I’m open to suggestions.

My partner Barbara has told me many times, for years and years, that she believes I will not see the outside of a prison until I finish writing my book, and publish it, as a way of distinguishing myself from the popular mythology relating to that guy whose name we don’t need to mention again. This presents a problem for me on multiple levels. As much as I would love to do the one thing that would likely please my beloved Barbara the most, the notion of subordinating the creative process to the purpose of manipulating opinion to make conditions more favorable for my release on parole rubs my fur the wrong way. Right now, though, I’m thinking that I need to stop struggling to get clear on my motives to write my book, and just write the damn thing.

So this is how things stand at present. Like all things in this world, appearances are subject to change without notice.

I am grateful beyond words for the rich outpouring of love and support, positive energy and good thoughts that came my way in recent months. Truly, this is the real hearing for me, all the endorsement I could ever need. Please don’t feel badly about the outcome of the hearing. The fat lady ain’t sung yet. And anyway, I am not my body, and my freedom is not subject to the conditions that my body must undergo. This is true for all of us.

With peace and best wishes for the holidays.

Bobby

Bobby Fucked Again

Charles Manson follower Bobby Beausoleil denied parole again in killing of musician Gary Hinman. Should 'family' members ever be freed?

Once again, the state Board of Parole has rejected efforts by a Charles Manson follower to be released from prison.

The latest move came Monday and involved Bobby Beausoleil, 63. According to the Associated Press: "He was arrested for the murder of musician Gary Hinman in August 1969. Beausoleil was convicted of Hinman's murder in 1970 and sentenced to death. The sentence was commuted to life when the California Supreme Court found the death penalty unconstitutional in 1972."

The issue of whether Manson family members should ever be released from prison came up in 2008 when Susan Atkins, who was terminally ill, asked for her freedom. Officials rejected her bid, and she died in prison.

At the time, some people said the Manson murders were so horrific that the perpetrators should never be released. Do you agree? Share your views.

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A state parole board panel denied parole Monday for former Charles Manson follower Robert Beausoleil, who was among those convicted of a musician's 1969 stabbing death.

A two-member panel from the California Board of Parole Hearings issued a five-year denial, who was last denied parole in December 2008, according to Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira.

Beausoleil was initially sentenced to death for the July 26, 1969, slaying of Gary Hinman in his Topanga Canyon home. But his sentence -- along with those of Manson and a number of his followers -- was later commuted to life in prison following a U.S. Supreme Court ruling on new requirements for capital cases.

Manson and many of his other former followers, who have repeatedly been denied parole, remain behind bars.

The Dick Van Dyke Show (simply hilarious)

CBS) California prison officials want to stop prison inmates like convicted murderer Charles Manson from reaching out and touching people with smuggled cell phones.

Prison guards confiscated the flip phone for the man behind one of the most infamous killing sprees in U.S. history after he placed calls and sent text messages to people in California, Florida, New Jersey and British Columbia, Canada, the Los Angeles Times reported Friday.

"It's troubling that he had a cell phone since he's a person who got other people to murder on his behalf," a spokeswoman for the state Department of Corrections told the Times.

The spokeswoman, Terry Thornton, also told the Times she didn't know if Manson ordered anyone during a call to commit a crime.

Authorities have urged the Federal Communications Commission to grant them authority to jam cell phone signals at prisons, but telecommunications lobbyists have told the agency that jamming would also block non-inmates near prisons from making calls.

Officials told the Times that prison inmates use the phones to run drug rings, intimidate witnesses and plan escapes yet being in possession of a cell phone isn't a crime in the Golden State.

President Obama signed into law during the summer a bill making smuggling cell phones into federal prisons a crime, but that law doesn't apply to state prisons, the Times reported. California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed a bill in September that would have fined people providing cell phones to prisoners $5,000, the Times reported.

In California prisons, authorities told the Times the number of cell phones confiscated has been on the rise from 1,400 in 2007, when confiscations were first recorded, to 8,675 thus far in 2010.