So the amazing Jon AesNihil lends us a hand and checks the Spahn arrest records and find out that it was Bryn.
Bryan Lesue Lukashevsky 21930 Canon Dr Topanga 1-28-48 M W 6-1 160 bln blu DL# P 188 944 aka Bryan Lukas
Thank you Jon.
I actually feel excited to be back. I have never seen the connection spelled out like this before.
Lotsapoppa's bodyguard during the shooting....
Close Friend of Dennis Wilson who rats out Manson....
Arrested at Spahn Ranch hanging out with the Family....
I always felt he was a key link. I still don't know what it means.
Thoughts?
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Who's to say Bryn wasn't in some way an associate of Charlie's? He certainly was one of both Crowe and Wilson. Why not of Manson?
It seems like Bryn was in common cause with both the drug dealer and the drug buyer because we are are on the outside looking in. Plus Charlie shot Crowe, so it seems as though Bryn is on one team and Charlie on the other, but who can say since nobody hardly addressed the incident.
The relationships in this underworld we are exploring seem to be of convenience and business.
Or maybe its just a case of Stockholm Syndrome. He could have been shot by Charlie, but wasn't. The why could provide the context of the shooting.
This is a very interesting development- I have seen that pic many times, and didn't realize the significance of it...
or this person...
who also ties the rock stars and the underground element together...
Ok, it's just the old WoodStein thing in me but...
...if your only source for any of this is Sanders, then I am not buying it unless it can be confirmed from another source...
It's an interesting lead so please do tell if there are other sources out there.
Brian Dalen is right I think... "bodyguard" is perhaps too strong a word for Lukashevsky... "business associate" is just as likely.
According to the story that (from memory) both Sanders & Bugliosi told (also perhaps Steven Gaines in "Heroes & Villians" and Nuel Emmons as well), Manson DID take the shirt off Lukashevsky's back after he'd shot Crow.
I suppose businessmen do that sorta thing all the time really, but it does seem strange that he'd be hanging out at Spahn a couple of weeks later... unless he was trying to get his shirt back :-)
I'm working from memory again here (an admittedly reckless and unreliable practise), but wasn't Lukashevsky the same guy Charlie had the run-in with at Dennis Wilson's place when he tried to pick up his "royalty cheque"? "I'l call NY!" "NO, I"LL call NY!!" etc etc...
we are all fortunate to have Aes-Nihils arent we :)
one question...if Bryn was at the Crowe shooting wouldn't he have known Crowe lived?
and then if he was at Spahn two weeks later why would he have kept that info from Charlie? Isn't it widely accepted that CM did not know Crowe lived until he ran into him at the courthouse a year later?
At the very least, Bryn would seem a interesting person to talk to. Any idea if any of the TLB PHD's have made the effort?
Very good point, leary.
Yes, I don't buy this guy being 'muscle' for either Lotsapoppa or Wilson. But that doesn't mean he wasn't something else to either of them.
And the Col asks if he knew Rosemary LaBianca. Again, what's the point? Because she was dealing drugs?
Again, no evidence of this has ever come to light. She was worth $2 million. But all that was on the books, legitimate. It wasn't like they found the cash in a suitcase under her bed.
And what DID this guy tell Wilson? That Charlie shot Lotsapoppa and that he lived? Or that he shot him and he died?
If Wilson knew he was still alive, then again, wouldn't Charlie have known?
yeah, Oswald's uncle was in the New Orleans mafia - didn't prove the mafia did it. Marina's uncle was KGB - didn't prove they did it. Point being sometimes a coincidence is just that. Maybe Bryn was a counterculture 007, but there would have to be a whole lot more than just his presence at Crowe's shooting and Spahn. Although granted that is curious. Somebody had to have talked to this guy at some point.
wouldn't it also mean Charlie would know Crowe didn't die???
therefore Crowe would not be the motivation for H/S ???
at least that is one more theory that can be checked off...
If this is true- and if Charlie DID know about Crowe...
Im starting to think more and more there might not have been any motive at all- and my opinion has changed in that direction...
none of these people would talk to the cops about any of the violence they saw- and I get that- but why would Bryn not tell Charlie that Crowe was alive- if he knew...
So if this whole thing was not over drugs- and there is not any real proof tying the Labiancas - at least- to drugs- it looks more and more random act of maniacs to me the closer and closer I look at this....
Is it written somewhere in the criminal code- book that there has to be a motive???
If there were a random group of whacked out maniacs who would do something like this for no good reason...
would some members of Charlies family fir the profile????
Not to be pedantic, BUT... All one needs to be a bodyguard is a gun. A person of any gender or weight or height can do it.
Find out who Mr. Bryn was working for ... and his boss...
Pristash said:
If Wilson knew he was still alive, then again, wouldn't Charlie have known?
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I don't think he would have found out from Wilson. They were long on the outs by then.
Bryn is wearing pressed clothing in that photo, soe wasn't at Spahn long when the police arrived. It's likely that that visit was when Charlie found out that Crowe was alive (or even before that), not at the Hall of Justice. If Crowe was dead & Bryn was a witness he would be insane to show up at Spahn and further accessorize himself.
that's the nut of it Matt...
why would Bryn be at Spahn after witnessing Charlie shoot Crowe?
Makes no sense, both in terms of "accessorizing himself" as you say, or even making himself available for "witness elimination".
Somebody has to know why he was there.
Is it written somewhere in the criminal code- book that there has to be a motive???
More times than not, a violent crime is committed by a person or persons who are disturbed and just need the right circumstances to act out on their maladjustments.
But to convict people of a violent crime to a jury, you really need a motive.
Enter Vincent Bugliosi.
Col,
Your forgot:
"Bryn" wasn't arrested at Spahn. That mug shot is from his Sept. 1969 arrest in Topanga canyon on drug possession charges -- which didn't occur w/ Family members.
He was never arrested with them. nor did he witness Crowe shooting.
That was another myth passed on by Eddie S.
The mug shot was thrown in w/ all the mugs taken after the 8/16 arrests on cards of known Family "associates". But there were quite a few others on those cards (compiled by LASO) that also weren't a part of the Spahn raid arrests.
Helping when/if I can....
yowza...Vera bringing down the hammer. I am new to this whole thing but she seems to have cred and inside info. And a boatload of chutzpah telling the Col he has his facts wrong. She is my new favorite poster. I hope it is she. Must be.
Vera that photo is not a mugshot that photo is from the Spahn Ranch raid on August 16 and Bryn is in that photo with Family members and was arrested with them. This is fact.
Bryn was with Fimple on Woodrow Wilson Drive during the Crowe shooting. This too is fact.
You are more than welcome to post here but you are wrong and I will thank you in advance not to correct things wrongly. I make mistakes myself but in this case you are mistaken.
Sorry, Col, you're the one who's wrong here.
The photo you're referring to, taken of a bunch of fellas on the day of the 16th raid, is NOT the photo I'm referring to and check your own post accompanyng it: twice you said it needed to be "confirmed" that the man with his head turned away from the camera is "Bryn."
That ain't no "fact". Or, at least you didn't think so this morning when you originally posted it.
If you've come across some corroboration in the meantime it would be nice to see it.
No, the pic I'm referring to is the Sept. 18, 1969 mug shot of "Bryn" which is in the possession of Jon A. and is the one from which he gleaned the info (full name, address, ect.,) you published in this post. It's the same pic "Bryn" personally asked Mark Turner to remove from his page so many lifetimes ago.
You'd know that if you checked your own (very old) blogs.
"Bryn" was not arrested with the Manson Family. He was not present at the Crowe shooting and I'm surprised at you for allowing a Sanders untruth to pass as a critcal "fact" here when it's nothing less than fiction (read Bernard Crowe's testimony at the death penalty phase of the Tate-LaBianca trial, in the Watson trial and also check out the LAPD reports of the shooting). Don't become too big to admit you're wrong, sir.
Yours,
Vera
Ok, then...let's get on with it: Bryn or Bryan is still around, no?
Probably doesn't want the attention, but we want to know what he knows....
Then maybe Crowe is still the motivation for TLB????
Bryn or no Bryn??
lol- Im lost :)
Vera
I am often wrong.
You have just stated things as facts which do not appear to be facts and I am questioning you. That's okay.
Col,
Then please show me your facts!
xxoxoxo
Unless those are Jon Kyle "facts."
(If you don't read the papers or watch Jon Stewart, look it up).
Does anybody know why Mark Turner just shut off the lights after so much time and effort?
I suppose it means that Bryn was instructed NOT to let Manson know that Lotsa was alive - and that his presumed visit to Spahn after the incident was to let him know the drug overlords expected a good pound of dollar or hit killings in penance for his erroneous ways. Hence the trip to Esalen to meet with some top brass and get final instructions like... remove Voy... then more orders came by phone on La Bianca night. Manson not only played his human implements in using a load of bollocks to psych each in to killing for him - but Manson was also played. Seen as an expendable flunky to do people higher ups dirty business. Why else has AC Aldag lately suggested on this very blog that the question should be asked of who paid Bugliosi to keep certain witnesses that may have been useful to create a defense out of reach at trial time. And as Vera says so many essential testifiers were conspicuous by their absence eg Cafritz.
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