Bobby Beausoleil Interrogates Mary Brunner

Like I said in the earlier post, this was during Bobby's hearing for a new trial.

Remember- If they can abuse and manipulate the guilty, what prevents them from coming after and doing the same to you and me?

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Q. I believe the best place for us to start is December 4. Do you recall that date?

A. Yes.

Q. And what happened on that date?

A. Starting when?

Q. Let’s say on December 4. Sometime on December 4, you made contact with a Lieutenant Brown; isn’t that correct?

A. He called me first –

Q. He called –

A. -- at work.

Q. And from that point, would you in a narrative from tell us what happened?

A. Yeah. He told me that there were a couple of people here from California that wanted to see me, and I was at work, and I asked them would it be okay if I called them up as soon as I got home from work. Okay, you know, and he said, yeah, that would be all right.

Q. Let me go back over that just a second. You say that a couple of people from California; isn’t that correct?

A. He didn’t say who it was at that time.

Q. Did he even imply to you with any words that it might be police officers?

A. I don’t really recall. I just know it was from the Sheriff’s Department.

Q. Do you recall exactly what he said to you on the phone, or any of what he said to you on the phone?

A. Actually, all I remember him saying is that there were a couple of people there from California that wanted to talk to me.

Q. Okay. Proceed.

A. And then I told them I’d call them back at 4:30 when I got off work, and then I called two attorneys, neither of whom I could reach at the moment; and then I tried to have – I asked them to call me back; and before either of them called me back, Lieutenant Brown came to work to talk to my boss and arrange for me to get off right then and there – right then; and then he took me up to the Holiday Inn Restaurant to meet Mr. Guenther and Mr. – and Whiteley.

Q. When you first met with Lieutenant Brown, did he at any time read any rights to you?

A. No.

Q. When you left with Lieutenant Brown, did you have any inkling of who you were going to see?

A. He may have told me at that time, that it was a couple of people from the Sheriff’s Department.

Q. He might have; you’re not sure?

A. He did, either at work of on the way out to the restaurant.

Q. Once he had you in the car; is that correct?

A. Sometime between getting me out of the office at work and before we got to meet them, he told me about it.

Q. And then you said you arrived at the Holiday Restaurant?

A. Holiday Inn.

Q. The restaurant at the Holiday Inn?

A. Right.

Q. There you made the acquaintance of Sergeant Paul Whiteley and Deputy Guenther; is that right?

A. That’s right.

Q. From the Homocide Sheriff’s Department in Los Angeles?

A. Right.

Q. From that point, would you proceed in your tesitmony?

A. First of all, they offered me a drink, and I took one. And I think it was Whiteley said that –

Q. Just a moment. You said they offered you a drink?

A. Yeah.

Q. Was that hard liquor?

A. Yes, that’s right.

Q. And you took a hard liquor drink?

A. And I took a hard liquor drink.

Q. So you took a drink. Did you have just one, or did you have –

A. I had two.

Q. You had two drinks?

A. That’s right.

Q. What were you drinking?

A. Manhattans, I believe.

Q. That’s a pretty powerful drink?

A. I believe so.

Q. Did it make you high at all?

A. Yeah.

Q. In other words, you’re not accustomed to drinking?

A. I don’t hardly ever drink.

Q. And then while you were drinking these Manhattans what did Deputy Guenther and Sergeant Whiteley say to you?

A. They said that they had found my fingerprints at the Hinman house. That they had witnesses who had definitely placed me in a stolen car.

Q. Did they name those witnesses?

A. No.

Q. Not at that time?

A. Not ever. Not ever, but a stolen car. He said that you had been doing a lot of talking about me and Sadie was doing a lot of talking about me.

Q. Let me go back to this a little bit. You say, ‘They’ told you. Who was speaking?

A. Whiteley most of the time.

Q. That is Sergeant Whiteley? That is that man there in the green coat?

A. Yes.

MR. BEAUSOLEIL: Will the record so reflect that she is pointing to Sergeant Whiteley from Homocide.

THE COURT: Yes, it may.

BY MR. BEAUSOLEIL:

Q. And he told you, he mentioned my name to you, in other words?

A. Yes.

Q. And he mentioned Sadie’s name?

A. Yes.

Q. Sadie Mae Glutz?

A. Yes.

Q. Susan Denise Atkins?

A. Yes. He was probably calling her Susan most of the time.

Q. Did he sometimes say Sadie, too?

A. I don’t really recall.

Q. And in what way did he say that I was using your name?

A. Like saying that I committed the Hinman murder. That you were putting the blame of the Hinman murder on me.

Q. Did he say that I was putting all the blame on you?

A. He never really got specific about it.

Q. But he said I was putting the blame on you?

A. Yes.

Q. What about Sadie, did he say Sadie also was putting the blame on you?

A. He didn’t really say anything to – he just said that you two were putting me responsible in a large part for the Hinman murder. I don’t know how much of a part.

Q. Now, let me backtrack a little bit. Before you had a conversation with – before Sergeant Whiteley began speaking to you along those lines that you have just been testifying to, neither one of the officers, Sergeant Guenther, Sergeant Whiteley, or Lieutenant Brown, either, had read any rights to you; is that correct?

A. That’s right.

Q. Proceed.

A. I don’t really know where I was at.

Q. You testified that Sergeant Whiteley was telling you that I had put all the blame – that I had put the blame on you; isn’t that correct?

A. That’s correct.

Q. And Sadie had also done that?

A. And Sadie had done that, and he said that he knew that you had done the murder and that I knew – he told me that I knew that had done the murder and that in exchange for my telling him about you killing Gary I would get immunity, I’d get my probation dropped, me restitution dropped, I could get custody of the baby again.

Q. What did he tell you the consequences were if you did not give him the statement?

A. If I didn’t give him a statement my probation would be violated. I’d be arrested for Gary’s murder. I could forget about seeing Bear.

Q. You said – what was that again? Could you tell us exactly what happened? You said something to the effect that you could forget about seeing Bear?

A Seeing the baby.

Q. First, Bear, who’s Bear?

A. My son.

Q. Your son, and how old is your son?

A. Two years.

Q. Is that his nickname, Bear?

A. That’s right.

Q. Is that just part of the nickname or is that a complete nickname?

A. Oh, he’s got other nicknames.

Q. Would you tell the Court the nicknames of the child.

A. His full name is Sunstone.

Q. And the last name?

A. Sunstone Hawk.

Q. And he was referred to, at least when he was an infant, as Pooh Bear; isn’t that correct?

A. That’s right.

MR. KATZ: Perhaps, your Honorm for the record, could we have the spelling by Miss Brunner of those names?

MR. BEAUSOLEIL: I’ll spell it.

THE COURT: Spell the names of the baby for the record.

THE WITNESS: S-u-n-s-t-o-n-e H-a-w-k.

BY MR. BEAUSOLEIL:

Q. And Pooh Bear, would you spell Pooh Bear, please:

A. That is spelled a lot of different ways. Some people spell it P-o-o-h

B-e-a-r and some P-u B-e-a-r.

Q. I hope Mr. Katz is satisfied. Now, you say Sergeant Whiteley said something to the effect that you could forget about seeing Bear. Would you in more detail tell us what was going on.

A. Well it’s like the Court already has custody of him and I just won’t get it again.

Q. Now, in reference to not being able to see Bear, you were also told before this that you might be charged with murder, is that correct?

A. That’s right.

Q. Was there anything implied between the murder charge and the custody of the child?

A. The two sort of go hand in hand.

Q. Could you tell me how Sergeant Whiteley or Deputy Guenther, whoever it was telling you this, put them hand in hand, if they did?

A. If I’m arrested for murder, I’m going to the California courts and Bear is not going to be anywhere around.

Q. Is that pretty much a quote?

A. That is a rephrasing.

Q. Rephrasing, but that is what they told you; is that correct?

A. Yes.

Q. Was there any other conversation – let me ask you – I’ll withdraw that last question. Did either officer get emotional during that conversation?

A. Guenther – at one time Whiteley left the room and Guenther got quite emotional and I got crying.

Q. Did you get emotional, too?

A. I started to cry, yes.

Q. What was Deputy Charles Guenther saying to you? What was he doing when he got emotional?

A. He was – he was telling me how wonderful they were being, really trying to save me from a mess and how you people were putting things on me and how rotten everyone out here had been, you know, how – about what you were supposed to have done with Gary, and it was – and he was just telling me how hard they were trying to see to it that I could stay back East and start a new life, you know, that sort of business, and, you know, get my son and how I really ought to go along with them.

Q. You stated several times they mentioned your son. Did they mention your son several times?

A. They did because they know how a baby would affect me.

Q. A reference to how you feel about your child, how do you feel about your child? Let me rephrase the question. You love your child very much, don’t you?

A. Yes.

Q. I would imagine he probably means more to you than anything else in the world; isn’t that correct?

A. Than most anything else.

Q. Anything means more to you?

A. Yeah.

Q. Could you tell the Court what it is?

A. It means more to me, Bobby, that I undo what I did to you.

Q. When you say that – to undo, what you did, what you did, did you not tell the truth at that time?

A. That’s right.

Q. I’ll continue. I’ll go back to where you were and we were talking about how you felt about your child. You love him dearly; isn’t that correct?

A. That’s right.

Q. You’d do what you could to protect him from any kind of harm; wouldn’t you?

A. Yes.

Q. Just about anything?

A. Just about. Just about.

Q. You feel it is the best thing for him to be in the custody of his mother?

A. Yes.

Q. At this time, or do you think he would be better – it would be better for him if he was in your custody?

A. You said in the custody of his mother, that’s me.

Q. I’m sorry. In the custody of your mother.

A. Right at this moment, you know, there is nothing that – you know, I tried to change that but I wouldn’t because it was stopped.

Q. What do you mean by it was stopped?

A. I tried to get custody back of him but I couldn’t.

Q. That was promised to you; is that correct?

A. No, this was last December I tried but it was stopped from this end. It was okayed by the Social Work Department but it was stopped by someone else.

Q. Do you know who that someone else is?

A. No one volunteered that they did it, no. I can imagine who did it.

Blogging The Yalkowsky Collection- Volume 37 of Something

Sorry about being so lax in examining the collection. There are just SOOO many documents ( I mean boxes!) and when I read them I like to astral project back to the trial and see if I can understand the motivations of everyone involved. Remember that the Col is only after the TRUTH- he is not pro or con anyone.

So I read a huge volume last night- Vol 37 of what I THINK is the Hinman Penalty Phase for Manson. It could be the Shea Phase though. I will let you know as I decipher this shit.

Tidbits-

- Leslie’s TLB Testimony is read into the record by Kanarek- she and the girls have refused to testify since the defense being put on is not CHARLIE’s Defense.

- Kanarek is trying to establish that witnesses were bought and pressured to lie. He reads back Leslie’s testimony about how the arresting officers spent two days offering her immunity and the $25k reward as long as she sold Manson down the river. We should all muse on her life had she done so.

- Leslie talks about how they never made plans. “If the Fountain of the World would ask us to come sing on Friday night, we would keep in mind that on Friday night we most likely should try to get to the Fountain of the World.”

- Leslie’s attorney Marvin Part recorded interviews with her and then shared them with his former associate, BUG. I am sickened.

- Leslie first took LSD with her Dad (?) when she was 15

- Leslie and Ouisch made a jug that said Helter Skelter on it.

- Bobby filed a petition for a new trial and acted as his own attorney during it.

- Mary filed an affidavit saying she had been made to lie in the first Bobby trial and that Bobby didn’t kill anyone.

- Then she didn’t want to testify in the new trial hearing so he subpoenaed her.

- Mary tells a long involved story about how she was pressurized to say Bobby did Hinman. I will have the elves transcribe this exchange.

- We then see how the judge essentially lays it out for Mary- tell the truth, ie, say exactly what you said before, that Bobby is guilty and you can go back to Wisconsin and see your son tonight. Don’t do that, and you’ll be charged with murder and perjury and never see him again.

The Mary stuff is particularly distressing. I mean think about it-

- Bobby did it. We know that because he says now he did it.

- Bobby is entitled to a fair trial.

- Bobby has one witness against him- Mary.

- Mary is promised immunity to testify truthfully.

- She does.

- She regrets it.

- She is then literally THREATENED to stick with the story.

Yes I understand that the truth is the truth and all that.

But as a disbarred attorney or not, the fact is, Mary IS allowed to say whatever she wants to. If she provably lies, they can do her for perjury- which actually they later do.

What we cannot have is District Attorneys promising candy and freedom if you tell their version of the story.

More reason why the BUG is such a cringe-inducing fellow.

Joe Foolio Wants to Defend The Evil of Mark Turner

Joe Foolio asked me why we were official.

I referred him to this post from last year since I cannot rely on his reading skills.

I googled the name Joe Foolio and got this image.

It is fun to have a Doctorate. The Col is one fart smeller!

Linda Kasabian Talks- Part Three

Boo hoo Hoo BUG



JUSTICE IN AMERICA? There is none. AMEN BITCHES!

Linda Kasabian Talks- Part Two

anyone creeped out by the bad re-creation?




Punch/Bug is here and he has so much to say. He'd have to be since Linda needs to be stage managed.

Hey Bug- Nellie revealed that that track record story was bull noogies.

Linda Kasabian Talks- Part One

She looks so harsh and bull-dykey. No mention of her kids.






I bet the BUG was proud of this interview.
Dunleavy is such a scumbag.

20 Questions for Mark Turner

I went to the well-designed website of the evil Mark Turner and it reads that on Halloween, "MANSON will be seen around the world." Is he talking about the film? Or people in masks?

This got me thinking, what does Mark Turner stand for? He seems to be pro-Bug. And pro-Debra. But even that is unclear. He's against the killers, but then so is everyone. But he's pro-Davis. And Catherine the cop-shooter. And Dennis the Family Man.

The thing is, the site is SO well done and so useful he must be fairly obsessed with the case. Like we are. He's also obsessed with censorship on his board.

So the Col decided to write up one of those email interviews and send it to Turner. You will see below that the questions are clear and non-antagonistic. If he replies, I will print them here as is.

I hope he replies. Those of you that know him, please alert him to this post.

"Hi Mark. I really like your site but I can't figure out what you are all about. Here are some questions that I would like answers for. I will run all answers unedited for the blog readers. Thanks in advance."

1- Do you think Charlie Manson, who you named your site after should be released? Why or why not?

2- How did you feel about the information gathering techniques used by the late Bill Nelson?

3- Which of the Family in prison would you be okay with being released and moving to your block?

4- How do you feel about Debra Tate keeping her father's body from a proper burial?

5- Do you own a brick from the Cielo Drive House?

6- If Vincent BUGliosi perjured himself during a Capital Offense case the punishment is the death penalty. Do you think he deserves it?

7- If Bruce Davis has found Jesus and you like Jesus is it the same Jesus or maybe two clones?

8- Did you ever have a martini with Patti Tate while she was alive? What kind?

9- Do you think Linda Kasabian should have a statue erected of herself in Chatsworth California?

10- If you are talking about the documentary Manson having midnight screenings on Halloween Eve, how do you feel about people holding up a short, stupid non-killer as a boogeyman?

11- If Dennis Rice was doomed to purgatory for allowing his small babies to be molested at the Ranch, how much time out does he get for converting to Christianity?

12- What weight is Gypsy pushing at the moment and is she still in Federal protection?

13- Which of the Manson girls made that exquisite vest you feature on your site?

14- In a free internet society what is gained by squelching dissent at one site when it can and does just move elsewhere? Phrased differently, "Is it not easier for a control freak to control dissent when it stays in one's home?"

15- In the Bible, we are told that he without sin should cast the first stone. How many rocks do you feel worthy of tossing at Leslie and Bobby?

16- If Clem wanted to paint your house mauve, would you let him?

17- Which of the many tomes in the Case Lore do you refer to the most?

18- What is your favorite Charlie Manson song?

19- Jessica or Lindsay?

20- Finally, how do you reconcile all these ministries you support with the reality of nine gruesome, senseless killings?

More Doris Tate, This Time on CNN Part Two

here is the rest-
that guy is a tool

More Doris Tate, This Time on CNN Part ONE

I don't know where all this Doris came from but screw it, here's some more.

And by the way, Charles Manson was not a serial killer.

The Birdcage

Somebody with a PERFECT ebay score is selling birdcage from Cielo Drive. It looks like nice cage if you want to cage a free flying winged creature. He's not asking a premium for it. In fact, according to his story it was actually garbage thirty five years ago. He's even offering no postage if you buy it in LA and come and get it. In all likelihood, his story is true.

Why the hell you'd want it except as a birdcage is beyond me.

That said, one of the Tate Candid Biddies, probably Paige (lol) emailed the poor seller and this exchange took place.

Q: If you're going to peddle a fake item with Sharon Tate's name attached to it, maybe you should get your facts straight. This auction will be reported to Debra Tate, Sharon's sister. She has VETO rights over any auction involving her dead sisters name.

A: I appreciate your comments and fear of offending anyone was a definite concern of mine. That's why I did not use Sharon Tate or any other victim's name in the title of the auction. I certainly believe this item to be from the Cielo Dr. house or I would not be listing it. From my feedback you can tell that I am very legitimate with my eBay transactions. If there are errors in the facts I'd appreciate you pointing them out (I know I had the guest house occupant wrong and have deleted that). I know very little about the murders personally. I am selling this for my elderly friend who told me the story at a million miles an hour and I could very well have made a mistake. Objects have history and my goal was to honestly tell the very sensitive history of this piece in a factual way that would not upset anyone, especially people like the families of victims. Again, thank you for writing. I'm going to post your comments and this response on the listing to unscore the sensitivity of this subject matter.


The response was more intelligent that the question. Anyway, Terray906, don't listen to this stupid biddy. DEBRA TATE WAS DISINHERITED by her father. Any right of publicity (which would have to do with Sharon's image and likeness anyway) would belong with Patti Tate's children NOT with the lying, vengeful, father stealing Debra. DEBRA TATE HAS NO RIGHTS TO SHARON TATE. At all. If she contacts you or ebay claiming that she does, please let us know so we can contact the proper authorities.

There is ZERO violation being done here by you.

Shit-apedia

I just saw this on Wikipedia, the always inaccurate Encyclopedia.


Manson has always maintained his innocence of the crimes. Recently, Manson has undertaken the task of publishing an auto-biography with the assistance of Wes Penre.<sup>[citation needed]


Anybody with real information (not Wheat) know if this is true or BULL NOOGIES?

Who is Wes anyway? Click this shit.</sup>

Cleaning Up Videos Part Two

Doris Tate Does Some Interviews #4

and this wraps that series up too.

Cleaning Up Videos Part One

Two Men Part Two

I never posted Part Two.
Sorry.

LuLu Still in Jail. Rosemary Still Dead.

Former Manson Cult Member Van Houten Is Denied Parole

From a Times Staff Writer

September 8, 2006

A two-member panel of the state parole board refused Thursday to release former Manson cult member Leslie Van Houten, who was convicted of first-degree murder in the 1969 deaths of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca in Los Feliz. It was the 15th time her parole had been denied.

Although the commissioners praised Van Houten's spotless disciplinary record at the California Institution for Women in Corona and her work tutoring inmates, they said they would wait a year and review her record.

Van Houten, 57, was not involved in the murder of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and her houseguests at the beginning of the Charles Manson cult's notorious crime spree.

But her eyes filled with tears when she expressed remorse for the deaths of the LaBiancas. She addressed the members of the victims' families who opposed her release at the hearing.

"It's very hard to know there's never going to be a way to make it OK. I just want them to understand that when they voice their sorrows, I'm listening," she said.

Decision suggests hope for Van Houten parole

10:00 PM PDT on Thursday, September 7, 2006

By PAIGE AUSTIN
The Press-Enterprise

Leslie Van Houten, the former homecoming queen and the youngest of the Manson Family killers, will spend at least one more year behind bars, a parole board ruled Thursday.

The 57-year-old inmate has served almost 37 years for her role in the infamous cult killing spree that left seven people dead, including actress Sharon Tate. Thursday marked the 16th time a parole board has denied Van Houten's bid for freedom.

Thursday's decision offered a glimmer of hope for Van Houten,
who transformed herself from a "brainwashed" drug addict to a "model prisoner," said her attorney, Christie Webb. Since her conviction in 1978 for the murders of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, boards have tended to deny her parole for two-year increments, Webb said.

"Certainly, a one-year denial is an indication of something positive," Webb said. "At some point we have to have a (parole) decision based on who she is now. She can't do anything to change the day of the crime, but she improved herself and she is no longer a danger to society."Patrick Sequeira, of the Los Angeles district attorney's office, said he's disappointed the board decided to let Van Houten try again next year.

When Van Houten was convicted, the courts weren't allowed to sentence inmates to life without the possibility of parole as they do now, he said.
"If the crime had been committed today, we wouldn't be here," Sequeira said.

For several of the people crowded into the stuffy, wood-paneled conference room at the California Institution for Women near Chino, the hearing was part of a macabre routine. Neither Van Houten nor the four relatives of the victims cried as the parole board commissioner read the bloody details of the slayings.

No one disputed the details of the murders, which were largely random and part of a larger effort by Charles Manson to incite a race war between blacks and whites.

Leno LaBianca was stabbed 42 times with a bayonet and a carving fork. The word "war" was carved into his chest. Rosemary LaBianca struggled to free herself as she listened to her husband's death gurgles. Van Houten held her down before taking her turn in stabbing LaBianca 16 times.

She later told a friend it got more fun with every stab, Sequeira said.

Van Houten, slight of frame with gray hair coiled into a bun behind a girlish headband, sat stoically. Only her nervous feet betrayed her mood as her Converse high-tops tapped rapidly beneath the table.

Years of therapy have helped her to overcome her drug addictions and penchant for destructive relationships, she said. The two parole board members reviewed files the size of phonebooks, including several letters of support for Van Houten from corrections psychiatrists as well as people offering jobs and housing to Van Houten.

In a soft-spoken voice, Van Houten described her prison journey through narcotics anonymous, a bachelor's degree in English literature, and her work as a tutor and counselor for other inmates.

"I do what I do in here because that's how I live with myself," she sobbed.

A few feet away, nephews of the LaBiancas and Tate's sister sat with guarded expressions.

"It is always a painful process for us to relive the moment Miss Van Houten and her terrorist gang visited upon our family," said Louis Smaldino, the LaBianca's nephew.

Riverside County resident Debra Tate is the only surviving member of Sharon Tate's family. She's attended dozens of Manson family parole hearings as a voice for the victims.

"It seems to be getting harder to keep the board in the mindset of the spirit in which these crimes were committed," said Tate. "The perpetrators get to dance their prison victories before the board, but (the board) doesn't hear from the people who were murdered

Manson Follower Van Houten Denied Parole

Former Charles Manson Disciple Leslie Van Houten Denied Parole for 16th Time in California

The Associated Press

FRONTERA, Calif. - Leslie Van Houten, the former Charles Manson follower convicted of taking part in a murderous rampage that terrorized Los Angeles 37 years ago, was denied parole Thursday for a 16th time.

The once raven-haired homecoming princess, now a gray-haired 57-year-old prison inmate, was convicted of murder and conspiracy for her role in the 1969 slayings of wealthy grocers Leno and Rosemary La Bianca.

The La Biancas were killed in August 1969, one night after Manson's followers killed actress Sharon Tate, celebrity hairdresser Jay Sebring, coffee heiress Abigail Folger, filmmaker Voityck Frykowski and Steven Parent, a friend of the Tate estate's caretaker.

Van Houten did not participate in the Tate killings, but went along the next night when the La Biancas were slain in their home. Prosecutors said at Thursday's hearing at Frontera's California Institute for Women that she had felt "left out" of the first night's carnage.

As she has during past hearings, Van Houten apologized to the victims' families, but the parole board wasn't swayed. Board members determined she was an "unacceptable public safety risk and a danger to society" and unsuitable for parole, said board spokesman Tip Kindel.

Van Houten, Manson and two other followers of the cult leader were originally sentenced to death, but their sentences were reduced to life in prison with the possibility of parole after California's death penalty was briefly suspended in the 1970s. None of them have been released.

Although Thursday's ruling keeps her in prison, Van Houten won one small victory when the board told her she may reapply for parole in one year rather than the usual two.

"She can't do anything to change the day of the crime, but she improved herself and she is no longer a danger to society," Van Houten's attorney, Christie Webb, said afterward.

NBC 4

Former Manson Disciple Denied Parole

POSTED: 6:42 pm PDT September 7, 2006

LOS ANGELES -- Former Charles Manson disciple Leslie Van Houten was denied parole for the 16th time Thursday for the 1969 murders of a Los Feliz couple.Van Houten, now 57, was allowed to plead her case before the parole board at the California Institute for Women in Frontera. She expressed remorse and apologized to the victims' family.However, at about 5 p.m., the board turned down her parole request, said parole board spokesman Tip Kindel. The board determined Van Houten was "unsuitable for parole," Kindel said.She was also deemed an "unacceptable public safety risk and a danger to society," he said.However, the board said she could seek parole in another 12 months, he said.Van Houten has previously been denied parole 15 times -- most recently in August 2004, when a state panel also concluded that she was "not yet suitable for parole."Van Houten was convicted of murder and conspiracy for participating with fellow Manson family members Charles "Tex" Watson and Patricia Krenwinkel in the Aug. 9, 1969, slayings of grocers Leno and Rosemary La Bianca at their Los Feliz home.The former cheerleader and homecoming princess from Monrovia did not participate in the Manson family's slayings of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and four others in a mansion near Beverly Hills the night before.Van Houten was sentenced to death. But in 1972, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the death penalty was unconstitutional, and she -- and Manson -- were re-sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole.Van Houten has acknowledged her role in the La Bianca murders, acknowledging at the 2004 hearing that she stabbed Rosemary La Bianca 14 to 16 times after the woman had already been stabbed by Krenwinkel and Watson.At earlier hearings, she said she believed La Bianca was already dead at the time, and said it was "very hard" for a woman in her 50s to "look back on the behavior of who I was at 19."Manson and many of his other former followers, who have repeatedly been denied parole, also remain behind bars.

Last month, a two-member parole panel split on whether former Manson Family member Bruce Davis should be released from prison. Davis was convicted in 1972 of the murders of musician Gary Hinman -- whose left ear Manson chopped off -- and stagehand Donald "Shorty" Shea.The split meant the entire parole board will decide whether Davis should be released from prison.


When asked why she thought about these developments Rosemary LaBianca replied "Gurgle....arggh...blackbook...no....ouchas...husband....
newlamp....why...arrrgh ptup flankusch."

To Repeat Something From Above

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS SHIT?














Last month, a two-member parole panel split on whether former Manson Family member Bruce Davis should be released from prison. Davis was convicted in 1972 of the murders of musician Gary Hinman -- whose left ear Manson chopped off -- and stagehand Donald "Shorty" Shea.The split meant the entire parole board will decide whether Davis should be released from prison.



Charlie seems to be holding his head over this development. I am too.

Sometimes a Laugh is a Good Thing

This is vintage SNL and very funny for all us students of the case.

I'm on Fire- Part Two

Late Show Part 1

hmmmm

Maury and Dunleavy Make Themselves Look Stupider

Maury Calls the Family "Losers"

Heavy Stuff for a Tough Lady

This is heavy stuff

Doris Tate Does Some Interviews #1

tough cookie

Doris Tate Keeps The Manson Killers Behind Bars

How hard can it be to keep mass murderers under wraps?

Hairy Katie- At the Family She Found Acceptance

This is from a site I found called 2Violent...
I chose Katie's because the point of view was interesting and actually reflective. Whoever wrote this made mistakes as they usually do. But they got some real insight into Katie.

Anyway check the site and tell us what you think.




Patricia Diane Krenwinkel was born on December 3, 1947 to an insurance salesman father and a homemaker mother. She was six and a half years younger than her half-sister Charlene, from her mother's previous marriage. Her teenage life in Los Angeles left much to be desired. At one point she was very overweight, and overcame this problem only after getting hooked on diet pills supplied by her junkie sister. Even after she lost the weight, though, young Pat still felt very ugly and unloved, partly due to an endocrine problem that caused an excess of hair on her body. She lost her virginity at fifteen as a means of combating her loneliness, only to never hear from the boy again. To top it all off, her parents got divorced when she was seventeen.

After graduating from Westchester High School, Pat moved out her mother's home state of Alabama to attend a Catholic college there. She dropped out after her first semester, though, and moved back to California. There she took a job as a secretary and shared a Manhattan Beach apartment with the heroin-addicted Charlene. Life was obviously less than ideal, and when Charlie Manson came knocking on her door, she readily answered.

One September night in 1967,Pat came home to find a group of her sister's friends and acquaintances at the apartment, one of whom was a grubby little man with a guitar by the name of Charlie. Charlie immediately took an interest in the shy Patricia, perhaps sensing her vulnerability. The two of them made love that night and Manson told his young partner over how beautiful she was. Pat, never having heard anything like that from a lover before, was so moved that she broke down crying, telling Charlie that she would follow him anywhere he went.

And follow him she did. With Daddy's credit card in hand, she became the third girl to join the traveling caravan, after Mary Brunner and Lynette Fromme. Charlie now had a blonde, a brunette, and a redhead in his collection. The four of them headed up north to Seattle, where Pat (soon to be known as Katie) wrote her father a letter; it was the last Mr. Krenwinkel would hear from her for over two years.

Katie became one of Charlie's most devoted followers, and even talk of Helter Skelter did not scare her off. Therefore it makes sense that Manson chose her to go to the Tate house on the evening of August 8, 1969. There she was arguably the most active female participant in the night's events, stabbing Tate friend Abigail Folger numerous times before having Charles "Tex" Watson finish the job.

The next night Charlie dropped Tex, Katie, and Leslie Van Houten off at the Waverly Drive home of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca. There Katie, perhaps now fancying herself an accomplished murderess, stabbed Mrs. LaBianca over and over again and wrote "witchy" messages in blood on the wall. Her indulgence in the macabre was not over, though; to top things off, she stuck a carving fork in the dead Leno's stomach, tweaked it, and watched it wobble back and forth, but not before she used the fork to carve the word "WAR" on his chest.

Not long after the murders, Charlie sent Katie to live with her aunt in Mobile, Alabama. It was there, in December 1969, that she was arrested for her part in what have come to be known as the Tate-LaBianca murders. For a while she tried to fight extradition to California, but gave up when fellow Family members persuaded her to be tried along with Charlie. She was sentenced to death in 1971 and remained loyal to Manson for years after that. In a 1978 interview with author Clara Livsey, Sandra Good proclaimed that "she is still with us."

Eventually Pat did separate herself from Charlie and became a model prisoner, having never received a writeup for over thirty years at CIW. She also comes across as perhaps the most remorseful of the three women. In a 1994 interview with Diane Sawyer, she said "I wake up everyday knowing that I'm a destroyer of the most precious thing, which is life; and I do that because that's what I deserve, is to wake up every morning and know that."

In September 1967, twenty-year-old Patricia Krenwinkel joined the Family, leaving behind her Manhattan Beach apartment, her car, her job, and even her last paycheck. She joined many other Family members on a drug-and-sex-filled eighteen-month tour of the American West in an old school bus, before settling into Spahn ranch in 1969. At her sentencing, Krenwinkel idealized the Family's early days: "We were just like wood nymphs and wood creatures. We would run through the woods with flowers in our hair, and Charles would have a small flute."

In August 1969, Krenwinkel participated in the murders at the Tate and LaBianca residences. At the Tate home, Krenwinkel dragged Abigail Folger from her bedroom to the living room, fought with her, and stabbed her. Later she would say, "I stabbed her and I kept stabbing her." Asked about how it felt, she replied, "Nothing--I mean, what is there to describe? It was just there, and it was right." The next night, Krenwinkel stabbed Rosemary LaBianca and carved the word "WAR" on Leno LaBianca's stomach.

Krenwinkel was arrested near her aunt's home in Mobile, Alabama on December 1, 1969. Krenwinkel had gone to Alabama, she said much later, because she feared Manson would find her and kill her. In February, she waived extradition proceedings and voluntarily returned to California to stand trial with the other defendants. Her trial attorney, Paul Fitzgerald, offered only a weak defense. At one point, Fitzgerald suggested that although Krenwinkel's fingerprints were found inside the Tate home, she might just have been "an invited guest or friend." Krenwinkel spent much of the trial drawing doodles of devils and other satanic figures.

At the California Institution for Women in Frontero, Krenwinkel has been a model prisoner. She has, with Leslie Van Houten, counseled young drug offenders, completed a course in data processing, and played on the prison softball team. She has expressed deep remorse for her role in the killings. In a 1994 interview broadcast on ABC, Krenwinkel said, "I wake up every day and know that I'm a destroyer of life, and living with that is the most difficult thing of all. That's what I deserve--to wake up every morning and know that."

Another Novel Pretending to be Non-Fiction

Yes Yes Yes, the Col is getting the emails about the evil Mark Turner saying on his great site that the amazingly untruthful BUG has written another book about the Manson Case.

Now I am not saying that Mark is lying BLOWJOB but he says it is coming out in a couple of months. A couple is TWO. If this book were coming out in two months there would be a listing on Amazon.com. Which there isn't. So maybe this is a self-xeroxed book coming out from the BUG's basement. Otherwise do you not think that there would be publicity for it somewhere? Not to say that Mark is lying BLOWJOB.

You know what would make the book totally awesome, if it were to come out? No, not Pirates fighting Ninjas (though that would be pretty awesome come to think of it). How's about a chapter about that family BUG stalked back in the sixties because he thought his wife Gail had boned the milkman? Then he could follow that up with a chapter about beating up his girlfriend because she took money for an abortion he wanted her to have and she never had it? Then wrap that up with his love for Latino Love Songs in a chapter. God that would be awesomely sweet. Then Mark Turner could write the epilogue with Vince's Christian Testimony highlighted and a photo of a Vest not made by any Manson girls but by Jesus Christ himself BLOWJOB.

I would buy ten copies of such a book and give them to my closest friends.

Wouldn't you?

Handsome Angel

The Col hasn't talked to Bobby lately but whenever I do one gets the feeling that he and Charlie at least were way closer than one would assume with Dennis Wilson. Which I guess shouldn't be surprising, but is, at least to me. I mean I know the three of them were all "musicians" and hung out and shared girls and what have you. But now, decades later, even after evicting them and all Dennis is still regarded well by Bobby, as a lost soul, a pal.

Makes you wonder. Dennis obviously was all behind the Charlie album. He had the group record the Charlie songs. He pushed for a signing. He called Charlie the "Wizard" in an interview. What if his brothers had left Dennis alone and the album had come out. I've heard most of the tapes. The are fine, kinda James Tayloresque, kinda Johnny Cash. Odds are that it would have done okay. Maybe even spawned two or three more. But Charlie was too mental to really break through like Cash. He'd probably have ended up a footnote like Paul Revere and the Raiders. Who were also produced by Terry Melcher. Hmmmmm.

Anyway, was just thinking how, if that had happened we'd have three albums that were in the bargain bin at Best Buy and a lot more Sharon Tate films.

Could He Be... Insane?

Another Manson Parole Report

This isn't very good- you can watch it for free so shut up.

More Old Parole Madness

Charlie Manson May Get Out (NOT!)

He mentions Clem!
Clem where are you?
Wait- did Charlie torture Shorty? Hmmmm.
Kay doesn't show up since he is having that hairdo replaced. Surgically.

The Most Danerous Man Alive, LOL.

The Manson Mystique

He's still manipulating people today the Barbie Doll says...A Master Convict wants to escape... I mean don't you love the news people that just make shit up and then serve it to the public.

Charlie is a comedy god.

Kay's haircut comes back and it is alive.

A Caged, Vicious Wild Animal

Charlie Wants Parole

I don't fear Charlie.
I fear Tex.
I would Fear Doris but she is dead.
I have a lot of Fear.
Fear turns Col on.

Memories... of the Way We Were

The Family Parole Reports

Usually you only see the murderous bastards and dancing puppets present day looking older and decrepit. I like this video because everyone is so damn young.
Special treat for you all- the only damn footage I have ever seen of Col Paul Tate, unless some of you have seen the photos of Paul's ashes on Debra's bench.
Who did Kay's hair? He should be arrested.

Is it Harold True, True or False?

In the endless search for answers that don't exist in the TLB case, many things become the conventional wisdom.

Sebring threw a party where they whipped a drug dealer that burned them.
Parent met Garretson casually only the day before.
Sandra Good was married to Joel Pugh.
The Family made films of their adventures.

You can probably name dozens of them. Things that might or might not be true but are accepted as true by us scholars without any actual evidence. (And no, the Bug mentioning it in a book is not evidence).

The one I'm here to ruminate about is the idea that 3301 Waverly was chosen for the second night of slaughter because Charlie had been shunned at a party NEXT DOOR.

Again, pause for me. Think about what I just wrote. Think about all you have learned together.

Now read that again. The conventional wisdom is that the LaBianca estate was chosen because Harold True had offended Charlie while True lived next door.

DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE TO ANYONE?

Didn't think so.

True (pictured) was friends with Phil Kaufman a former cellmate of Charlie's. I think they both, umm, partaked of some of the girls. But the evidence is unclear as to whether True still lived next door in August 1969. He may have only rented for a few months. So if Charlie was "sending a message" it wasn't very effective. Indeed, it made as much sense as Sadie trying to make Tate look like Black Panthers. Nobody got it.

No, the Col questions the conventional wisdom.

Tate was targeted, likely because of Frykowski's actions. (not a rape though)

LaBianca was targeted. Maybe mob related, I don't know.

Then the killings stopped. Helter Skelter had not started. But they stopped. (Some motive, Vince).

Strike one for the Conventional Wisdom.

Ten Years Later is Twenty Seven Years Ago

I found another interesting article so here it is. It is by Bill Farr who was put in jail thanks to Bugliosi's perjury.
You can click on each jpeg to read it better.

Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness

Hey Catherine I notice here that you took the stand and lied under oath.

That is a Jesus NO NO.

Love,
JC

Tell Me More Catherine, Tell Me More

So listen I dug up some press and it seems you also robbed a liquor store.

Now I need to know, did Charlie make you do it or Kenneth? Or was it the LSD?

Please advise.


Love,
Jesus

She Was A Gypsy Woman

The evil man Mark Turner has linked to Dennis Rice's (the man who brought his young children to be molested by the Family AFTER the murders) site to advertise Catherine Share's Christian Testimony.

Jesus Christ I believe I am gonna sound like Nelson in this post.

The Col only believes in one God, his own bad self. But before he became a not real Film Producer or a disbarred attorney he was a minstry student who had the Bible crammed up every hole he had. So I can smell bullshit a mile away.

And Gypsy stinks to HIGH HEAVEN, Amen.

I entered in ‘the sixties’ completely alone in this world, wounded, and looking for someone to love me and tell me the truth. I tried just about everything to fill the empty gaping wound in my soul. I became addicted to anything that would temporarily stop the pain of loneliness and rejection - including food, marijuana, sex and LSD (which completely destroyed my mind and made me like a little child for many years). Except LSD doesn't do that, Gypsy. Maybe you hope it did so that could explain why you were doing softcore porn westerns with Bobby. But no, LSD does not make one a child. I was the Hippie of hippies and The ‘flower child’.

I thought I had found peace at last but I was still searching for the truth and the truth giver. No family, I wandered around in a false euphoria of drugs and ‘relationships’. This is code for I got stoned and fucked anyone who asked. Which is fine, not wrong, but why call it what it isn't?

I was so convinced that he had all the answers and that he was Jesus Christ personified that I convincingly told many ‘Family’ members that he was. Okay, but that really isn't Charlie's fault. You were a dumb hippie chick. That's cool. But it only shows you're dumb.

Ever so slowly, things began to change. I was the oldest besides Charlie and I had a lot of fears that he constantly was ‘working on’. I also had lots of unresolved issued that caused me to overeat, something I had done off and on most of my life. This caused Charlie to leave me out of a lot of the ‘more advanced’ training sessions, that I actually only learned about after reading Charles Watson’s book. The bottom line is that I was left out of the murders. Anyone else having trouble following her bullshit? He's Jesus, but he's working on you? Because of course YOU cannot be responsible for anything you did, right, it had to be a short ex-con loser with such amazing hypnosis powers he could probably convince George Bush he was a good president, right? AND LOOK PEOPLE- the dumb hippy bitch BELIEVES WHAT TEX WROTE. I mean Jesus H. look at what she wrote- she claims she was too busy stuffing her face so she missed the murders- you know the ones she at the time wished she had attended. YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT GAL.

During the trial, from his jail cell, Charlie hooked me up with an escaped convict that nearly got me killed in a shootout with the police. It took many years to fully see what Charlie was all about and even more years to see that I was hooked in much the same way to this convict. I just wanted to be loved and accepted and would do just about anything for it.
Hooked you up? That is funny shit. While on trial for his life Charles Manson made you bed down with a scuzzy convict- MADE YOU do marry is skanky ass. I've read the Hawthorne Shoot Out report you lying suzzy filth. YOU SHOT AT COPS. I will say that again. YOU SHOT AT COPS REPEATEDLY. You would not have given a shit if you killed them. NO ONE made you do a damn thing. You were robbing a store for weapons and you shot at cops. BOO HOO bitch. Listen to this - YOU FIRED THE FIRST SHOT!

Soon after, I was asked to come back to the United States to take care of a storage place for my then husband, Kenneth Como (the escaped convict who was back in prison). That is what I thought I was coming back for. THIS lying harlot completely skips why she was on the run to Canada. She was part of a far reaching credit card scame and the FBI was after her. Tell Us Catherine who made you do that ? Pooh Bear?

Who made you jump Bail, Catherine?

Read more about this lying sack of feces here.

If you really accepted Jesus Christ you would know that the truth will set you free. That blaming losers for your own behavior is obvious to Christ and he sees through you.

I don't care what you did girly- but own up to it. Jesus is hating you right now- you let him down.

You lied.

Tell the truth. You were a young slut drug addict. You joined a group of other slut guys and girls who were addicts. But that was the time period. Your friends butchered innocent people for fun and you regretted not joining them. You left Charlie for another loser and tried to rob stores and commit crimes with him. You tried to kill cops. You ripped off credit card companies. You ran from the law. And now that you are old and fat you wish you didn't.

Tell the truth and the Col will forgive you.

Aww who am I kidding???? I can never forgive you for going on that show and hugging the Bug. I was vomiting for a week.

Helter Skelter is Coming Down Fast

Tonight they played music and made love. They worried about their brother Bobby and wondered about a dead Black Panther.

Tomorrow they would strike.

Sadistic Sadie.
Evil Devil Doer Tex.
Conscienceless, Hairy Katie.
Yana The Witch.


Here's a lot of footage from 1989.

The BUG is everywhere because there is no show without PUNCH.

ENJOY

20th Anniversary Helter Skelter Reports 1

I went to see what my children had done

20th Anniversary Helter Skelter Reports 2

And with the Towel I wrote PIG on the door

20th Anniversary Helter Skelter Reports 3

Leave something Witchy

20th Anniversary Helter Skelter Reports 4

Sadie Please I hear sounds

20th Anniversary Helter Skelter Reports 5

I am the Devil And I have come to do the Devil's business

20th Anniversary Helter Skelter Reports 6

You May be a Lover But You Ain't no DANCER

20th Anniversary Helter Skelter Reports 7

Tell me Tell Me Tell Me The Answer

CandyGramma's Gang of Subliterate Cretins

I was trying to let the real world dates catch up with the blog.
And I did.

Here's the deal-

I am COL SCOTT. It doesn't matter whether I am one person or three. I am Col Scott and I have been since Internet research into this case started.

I am often accused of being Don Murphy. The morons from Candy Gramma's board call him a film director. He is a film producer according to imdb.com. In any case I am not he. I am unsure of why anyone would THINK I am he Except that a guy named Dave from KTS who drives trucks and dates strippers once accused me of being Don Murphy and then we went on for a year as a joke that I had hired him as my personal driver. I was also accused by Adam GoRightly of being David Frechelle, a disbarred attorney practicing law in Torrance California. I am also not he.

I am certainly not Savage. While I enjoy his outrageous posts from time to time, he mostly just states things that are palpable nonsense. And I never would delete my posts.

My email is ColScott@hotmail.com. I have joined some yahoo groups as cortex_jnr. That is it.

But that's me- what you see if what you get.

What some of the dildoes out there (like Candygramma ((pictured)) and her group) don't get is that THIS IS THE INTERNET. Now I never accused this clown Poche of anything illegal. He is as dumb as nails, but that is not a crime. In any case, you cannot slander or libel Poche because POCHE is not real. It is a name. An alias. It is not a real person. He/she/it was accused by somebody in the comments of being a molester or something. I don't know. I do know he's a dick who should be ignored.

Larry Melton is a registered sex offender for having sex with underage human beings. He is a real person. This makes him reprehensible scum. In My opinion. And those who include him in his group therefore associate with scum.

When I post I post as the Col. Period. End of sentence. Any other argument is spurious and stupid.

Yes I am working on a book with other persons. So what? And if I WERE Don Murphy I would probably know some book agents and have the damn thing published by now.

There have always been ignorant people out there. SOMEBODY has to clean out public lavatories. If you go to CG's group you will realize there isn't a brain among them. Pity them. Then flick ashes on the floor for them to mop up.

This blog exists TO DISCOVER THE TRUTH.

I put up videos and book synopses at GREAT TIME COST so that you can be as educated as I am and MAYBE one of you will catch something that I missed and make this whole thing make sense.

I don't have time to hide behind multiple ids or to delete my posts like a pussy.

I am COL SCOTT. Whether you are OOGLY or GLO or any other internet retard, go ahead, play your games. You are sad because you don't know shit about anything.

Sad. Pathetic. Worthless.

We Got Some LA TIMES Love

KTS peeps were asking about Ronnie Howard.

Here's the story from the LA TIMES.

Also we haven't had a story about the BUG being sued for lying and shit for a whole month.

Enjoy.

(click on images to see larger)

Paul Watkins Interview 3

I almost feel bad for the guy he cannot hold a thought for more than an eyeblink. In part two when he started to babble about compulsions I really felt bad for him.
Now here he starts talking about the All White Album? Wot?
Anyway, Judas doesn't seem like he had a good life after his betrayal.
Then BOOM the show is just OVER.
Thank you for watching.

Paul Watkins Interview 2

Not sure who our caller is...they say Jenny... is it Ginny Gentry? Hey why doesn't Paul say that he went BACK to the Family?
Paul has an acid flashback two minutes in. Check it it is crazy. He looks stoned on the screen shots behind Reagan.
Caller two brings up Naval Intelligence...then Paul starts to blame it on OCD behavior then his ADD takes over- Sisters of Mercy??? Wtf?
Maureen then brings up Jim Jones... and Paul claims he knew people who knew him like what???? Then he mentions a script....then back to the drug addled ramble- guy cannot hold a thought.

Paul Watkins Interview 1

To commemorate our group read of the Paul Watkins book, the Col presents - PAUL WATKINS. This is the only interview I have ever seen with Paul other that the Hendrickson documentary.
"I was acting out my antisocial tendencies"
"He controlled these young women"- odd, that is not in his book.
This is one year before Paul died at age forty and he looks and sounds like shit.
Watch him- he tries to remember things through the new BUG filter and stammers over the new answers.
Anyway, 1989 here's Little Paul!
(nice hair on Maureen Reagan lady!)
(and what is up with his teeth? he looks like Eddie Munster all grown up)

Susan Atkins 1993 Parole Hearing Part 8

What is the use?
There isn't.
Might as well kill yourself.
No.
Really.

Susan Atkins 1993 Parole Hearing Part 7

Wow her Family barely speaks to her. How surprising.

"Based on my Brother Michael's behavior". Gee whiz what about YOUR behavior byatch?

Susan Atkins 1993 Parole Hearing Part 6

OKay, here's the deal. If you let me out, I'll go to KA (Killer's Anonymous) and promise to try and stop.

Susan Atkins 1993 Parole Hearing Part 5

Babysitter! Susan was a babysitter! Do you think she fellated her charges?

Susan Atkins 1993 Parole Hearing Part 4

No really, they made me confess to stabbing a nine month pregnant woman and dancing in her blood. I really didn't.

Susan Atkins 1993 Parole Hearing Part 3

I sit before you a convicted murderess.
And an unfeeling harlot, do not forget that.

Susan Atkins 1993 Parole Hearing Part 2

No I am not kidding- feel sorry for me because I want to go out so I can KILL AGAIN.

Susan Atkins 1993 Parole Hearing Part 1

Oh poor me. I am so sorry for being a piece of shit.

Manson In His Own Words - Book Report

This comes from the Best Damn Manson Site on the Web.
Go Bret!
Reality is the Emmons book was the latest Manson rip off. That's all. Trust it at your own risk.

My Life With Charles Manson Epilogue

Epilogue

Ironically, the story of Charles Manson and his Family does us all a favor. It reveals in no uncertain terms the disease of our own society. It chronicles the transformation of communal love into its opposite. There was nothing simplistic in what happened. And it isn’t something to turn away from. People seem to feign a horror of blood and carnage, yet invariably rush to accident scenes and fistfights, to anything that will put them in touch with their own blood and something that is primal – to something that will wake them up to the fact that they are not robots but living, breathing organisms. The Manson Family did more than this. It tore the lid off suburban complacency with a vengeance, and left us with a lot of questions to answer.

I thought once the headlines and the novelty had worn off that the questions would cease. But as the days went by after the trials, and the months turned into years, the questions continued. Even after the publication of Helter-Skelter, it was clear that people did not understand what had actually transpired in the Manson Family. During the trials, I was approached by producers Robert Hendrickson and Lawrence Merrick, who wanted to make a documentary film on the Manson Family. They had already shot footage around Spahn’s while Charlie was on trial, inducing the remaining Family members to make music and rap about Charlie on film. The group obliged, believing that they were helping to program Helter-Skelter. Later, we shot some footage in Merrick’s studio and in the desert. I hoped the film, Manson, would help explain what actually happened. It fell far short of the mark, but even so, won an award for the best documentary at the Venice Film Festival in 1974. Merrick signed the distribution rights over to American International Pictures, and he and I toured the country premiering the film in Albuquerque, Chicago, and elsewhere. To me, the film seemed to be popular, but the company reported box-office flops and legal problems and it was virtually scrapped.

After Helter-Skelter hit the stands I began touring with Vince Bugliosi to promote the book on TV talk shows. I realized then that there was a genuine need to know what caused the phenomenon of the Manson Family. I remember people asking me, “What can we do to protect our kids?” Often, I became the scapegoat for people’s collective outrage. When I appeared on the Tom Snyder Tomorrow show, his first question nearly floored me. “How is it that you are allowed to walk the streets and do this show?” Along with Bugliosi, I wasted no time in setting him straight. But I was astonished and angry, and I asked myself: why go through this? I questioned my own motives, realizing that deep down I did feel a sense of guilt. I had played a part and did have a responsibility to explain what had happened. After the Snyder show I got serious about public speaking and learned to handle myself under fire. I began giving lectures on the effects of drugs. I spoke at district attorneys’ conventions on college campuses. I pondered the idea of writing a book. In my own mind, I knew the Manson story had not really been told.

With the exception of the Vietnam war, the Kennedy assassinations, the slaying of Martin Luther King, Watergate, and perhaps the kidnapping of Patricia Hearst, few events in the last twenty years have had more impact on the public at large than the story of Charlie Manson and his Family. People’s fascination with death, violence, abduction, and money, it seems, can never be fully satiated – which says something about the public consciousness. Oddly enough, the Manson Family originated as a rebellion against that very state of consciousness and was a direct outgrowth of the psychedelic revolution of the early sixties, grounded theoretically in principles of love and the freedom “to be.” What happened to those ideals, to me, and to the minds of Charlie’s followers was the story I wanted to tell – the story of mind control and mental programming.

The questions to be answered were crucial – the echoing refrain of a lady from Atlanta who asked me on the Phil Donahue show: “What experiences in your own background would make you susceptible to a man like Manson?” The woman appeared shocked when I told her we had shared many of her own experiences. Like her, we had shuddered through the Cuban missile crisis. We too cried for our country and the Kennedys. We watched in disgust while our natural inheritance turned into plastic and concrete, and bit our lips in rage as our brothers died in Southeast Asia. We saw movies on drugs made by people who knew nothing about drugs. We felt the need to live and to believe that we had inherited a world worth living in. So we hit the road in the mid-sixties; searching for truth, hoping we might recognize it once we saw it. We needed to love and to be loved. One by one we met Charlie and saw in him and his followers the love we were looking for.

It has been too easy to classify the Manson Family as a pack of sick, drug-bludgeoned kids duped by an ex-con. The transformation from a “flower-child” Family whose only revolutionary activity was an alternate lifestyle into a militant, Helter-Skelter-ready band of death-wielding robots was slow, methodical, insidious. Yet, many still cling to the notion that all Charlie had to do to get people to kill was to stuff them full of dope and say “sic ‘em.” Had that been the base, the interest in the Manson story would have waned long ago.

No, Charlie Manson was intelligent, and so were most of his followers. Hippies who wanted only to get laid or stoned were neither susceptible nor acceptable to Charlie. In conversation, he would lose the average “lodle” as soon as he opened his mouth. People are still surprised when reminded that Sandy and Mary both had college degrees; that Leslie Van Houten was a homecoming queen and one of the most popular girls at Monrovia High School; that Katie was a Sunday-school teacher… and so the list goes. And how could it be that Tex Watson, who took part in so much killing, was not only an A student and a top athlete but was voted the most likely to succeed by his classmates in high school. No, Tex was programmed to kill, just as young soldiers are programmed to kill in the name of democracy or the flag or whatever. But in that case, it’s just an all-American boy performing a heroic act. It’s possible that had Tex gotten into that kind of program, he’d have been one hell of a marine – a hero with decorations instead of a murderer in jail for life. It may be stretching a point, but it’s one that should be made nevertheless.

What drew us to Charlie initially was a real love we helped put there. So we submitted to his trip; we burned our bridges and left our past far behind, to become lost in Charlie’s nightmare with nowhere to go. But Charlie always had the “joint” to go back to. The Family didn’t realize that he had a home and that the bridge to it could not be burned.

Still, there are questions that remained unanswered. Just how and why did Charlie change? Did he have Helter-Skelter planned from the start, or was it only a bud in his subconscious awaiting its time to flower? Only Charlie knows the answers to all the questions. But ultimately he must be seen for what he was: the worst kind of criminal, a man who subverted the power of love, turning it into the most despicable evil imaginable – the domination of souls.

Charlie did more than give hitchhikers and hippies a bad name. He manifested and expressed not only the mechanism of his own twisted psyche, but the latent evils existing within our own society. You cannot divorce Manson from the culture that spawned him. That too is an easy way out and would be a grave error. I know that his incarceration has not put an end to my own struggles. It has taken years for me to untangle and come to grips with all that I experienced in the Family. But more than anything, in the wake of all the destruction, the killing, the inner crippling of those who survived, I wanted to salvage something, if only the knowledge that what happened to the Family could well have happened to others; that mind control and programming are a part of our daily lives and that the results, unless people develop an awareness, can be, in the long run, no less insidious and destructive. Clearly, in a world where the majority of the populace speeds around in varied states of hypnosis, bombarded into stupor around in varied states of hypnosis, bombarded into stupor by the media, it is necessary to understand the fundamentals of programming.

Perhaps, if there is one lesson I have learned, it is to listen to myself. To be what I am. This is the bottom line of awareness, and paradoxically the greatest link to humanity after all. Had I been so grounded in March 1968, on the day I met Charles Manson, I would probably find it hard now to remember who he was.

But the Manson saga is not over. In June 1977 and again in May 1978 I testified in Leslie Van Houten’s retrials, each of which resulted in her reconviction. Whether or not she will appeal that conviction is not certain. I don’t know what happened to all the others. I do know that Susan Atkins and Charles Watson, both born-again Charistians, have written books about their experiences and are serving life sentences for their crimes, as are convicted murderers Bruce Davis, Mary Brunner, and Bobby Beausoleil. Lynette Fromme is also in prison following her attempted assassination of former President Gerald Ford. Diane Lake (Snake) has been completely rehabilitated and the last I heard was working as a teller in a bank in northern California. As for Brooks, Juanita, Juan Flynn, and Crockett, all are doing well: Brooks is a full-time musician, while Juan lives in Panama, where he works on a ranch.

Charles Manson, meanwhile, now forty-four, is serving a life sentence in California, awaiting his eligibility for parole.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Paul Watkins was the class president of all his high school classes in a suburb of Los Angeles and student body president in his senior year when he dropped out and took to the road. A series of circumstances led to his being picked up by two girls of the Manson Family and he soon became one of Manson’s most devoted followers. Later, however, he became concerned about Manson’s predilection for violence and left the family before the Tate murders. He now lives in the desert town of Tecopa, California, and earns his living in construction and by lecturing on the subject of drug prevention and rehabilitation.

Guillermo Soledad is the pen name of a member of the faculty of the University of California at Santa Barbara. He has written a number of magazine articles for publications such as Ms., Playboy and Playgirl.

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