Like I said in the earlier post, this was during Bobby's hearing for a new trial.
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Q. I believe the best place for us to start is December 4. Do you recall that date?
A. Yes.
Q. And what happened on that date?
A. Starting when?
Q. Let’s say on December 4. Sometime on December 4, you made contact with a Lieutenant Brown; isn’t that correct?
A. He called me first –
Q. He called –
A. -- at work.
Q. And from that point, would you in a narrative from tell us what happened?
A. Yeah. He told me that there were a couple of people here from California that wanted to see me, and I was at work, and I asked them would it be okay if I called them up as soon as I got home from work. Okay, you know, and he said, yeah, that would be all right.
Q. Let me go back over that just a second. You say that a couple of people from
A. He didn’t say who it was at that time.
Q. Did he even imply to you with any words that it might be police officers?
A. I don’t really recall. I just know it was from the Sheriff’s Department.
Q. Do you recall exactly what he said to you on the phone, or any of what he said to you on the phone?
A. Actually, all I remember him saying is that there were a couple of people there from
Q. Okay. Proceed.
A. And then I told them I’d call them back at 4:30 when I got off work, and then I called two attorneys, neither of whom I could reach at the moment; and then I tried to have – I asked them to call me back; and before either of them called me back, Lieutenant Brown came to work to talk to my boss and arrange for me to get off right then and there – right then; and then he took me up to the Holiday Inn Restaurant to meet Mr. Guenther and Mr. – and Whiteley.
Q. When you first met with Lieutenant Brown, did he at any time read any rights to you?
A. No.
Q. When you left with Lieutenant Brown, did you have any inkling of who you were going to see?
A. He may have told me at that time, that it was a couple of people from the Sheriff’s Department.
Q. He might have; you’re not sure?
A. He did, either at work of on the way out to the restaurant.
Q. Once he had you in the car; is that correct?
A. Sometime between getting me out of the office at work and before we got to meet them, he told me about it.
Q. And then you said you arrived at the Holiday Restaurant?
A. Holiday Inn.
Q. The restaurant at the Holiday Inn?
A. Right.
Q. There you made the acquaintance of Sergeant Paul Whiteley and Deputy Guenther; is that right?
A. That’s right.
Q. From the Homocide Sheriff’s Department in
A. Right.
Q. From that point, would you proceed in your tesitmony?
A. First of all, they offered me a drink, and I took one. And I think it was Whiteley said that –
Q. Just a moment. You said they offered you a drink?
A. Yeah.
Q. Was that hard liquor?
A. Yes, that’s right.
Q. And you took a hard liquor drink?
A. And I took a hard liquor drink.
Q. So you took a drink. Did you have just one, or did you have –
A. I had two.
Q. You had two drinks?
A. That’s right.
Q. What were you drinking?
A. Manhattans, I believe.
Q. That’s a pretty powerful drink?
A. I believe so.
Q. Did it make you high at all?
A. Yeah.
Q. In other words, you’re not accustomed to drinking?
A. I don’t hardly ever drink.
Q. And then while you were drinking these Manhattans what did Deputy Guenther and Sergeant Whiteley say to you?
A. They said that they had found my fingerprints at the Hinman house. That they had witnesses who had definitely placed me in a stolen car.
Q. Did they name those witnesses?
A. No.
Q. Not at that time?
A. Not ever. Not ever, but a stolen car. He said that you had been doing a lot of talking about me and Sadie was doing a lot of talking about me.
Q. Let me go back to this a little bit. You say, ‘They’ told you. Who was speaking?
A. Whiteley most of the time.
Q. That is Sergeant Whiteley? That is that man there in the green coat?
A. Yes.
MR. BEAUSOLEIL: Will the record so reflect that she is pointing to Sergeant Whiteley from Homocide.
THE COURT: Yes, it may.
BY MR. BEAUSOLEIL:
Q. And he told you, he mentioned my name to you, in other words?
A. Yes.
Q. And he mentioned Sadie’s name?
A. Yes.
Q. Sadie Mae Glutz?
A. Yes.
Q. Susan Denise Atkins?
A. Yes. He was probably calling her Susan most of the time.
Q. Did he sometimes say Sadie, too?
A. I don’t really recall.
Q. And in what way did he say that I was using your name?
A. Like saying that I committed the Hinman murder. That you were putting the blame of the Hinman murder on me.
Q. Did he say that I was putting all the blame on you?
A. He never really got specific about it.
Q. But he said I was putting the blame on you?
A. Yes.
Q. What about Sadie, did he say Sadie also was putting the blame on you?
A. He didn’t really say anything to – he just said that you two were putting me responsible in a large part for the Hinman murder. I don’t know how much of a part.
Q. Now, let me backtrack a little bit. Before you had a conversation with – before Sergeant Whiteley began speaking to you along those lines that you have just been testifying to, neither one of the officers, Sergeant Guenther, Sergeant Whiteley, or Lieutenant Brown, either, had read any rights to you; is that correct?
A. That’s right.
Q. Proceed.
A. I don’t really know where I was at.
Q. You testified that Sergeant Whiteley was telling you that I had put all the blame – that I had put the blame on you; isn’t that correct?
A. That’s correct.
Q. And Sadie had also done that?
A. And Sadie had done that, and he said that he knew that you had done the murder and that I knew – he told me that I knew that had done the murder and that in exchange for my telling him about you killing Gary I would get immunity, I’d get my probation dropped, me restitution dropped, I could get custody of the baby again.
Q. What did he tell you the consequences were if you did not give him the statement?
A. If I didn’t give him a statement my probation would be violated. I’d be arrested for
Q. You said – what was that again? Could you tell us exactly what happened? You said something to the effect that you could forget about seeing Bear?
A Seeing the baby.
Q. First, Bear, who’s Bear?
A. My son.
Q. Your son, and how old is your son?
A. Two years.
Q. Is that his nickname, Bear?
A. That’s right.
Q. Is that just part of the nickname or is that a complete nickname?
A. Oh, he’s got other nicknames.
Q. Would you tell the Court the nicknames of the child.
A. His full name is Sunstone.
Q. And the last name?
A. Sunstone Hawk.
Q. And he was referred to, at least when he was an infant, as Pooh Bear; isn’t that correct?
A. That’s right.
MR. KATZ: Perhaps, your Honorm for the record, could we have the spelling by Miss Brunner of those names?
MR. BEAUSOLEIL: I’ll spell it.
THE COURT: Spell the names of the baby for the record.
THE WITNESS: S-u-n-s-t-o-n-e H-a-w-k.
BY MR. BEAUSOLEIL:
Q. And Pooh Bear, would you spell Pooh Bear, please:
A. That is spelled a lot of different ways. Some people spell it P-o-o-h
B-e-a-r and some P-u B-e-a-r.
Q. I hope Mr. Katz is satisfied. Now, you say Sergeant Whiteley said something to the effect that you could forget about seeing Bear. Would you in more detail tell us what was going on.
A. Well it’s like the Court already has custody of him and I just won’t get it again.
Q. Now, in reference to not being able to see Bear, you were also told before this that you might be charged with murder, is that correct?
A. That’s right.
Q. Was there anything implied between the murder charge and the custody of the child?
A. The two sort of go hand in hand.
Q. Could you tell me how Sergeant Whiteley or Deputy Guenther, whoever it was telling you this, put them hand in hand, if they did?
A. If I’m arrested for murder, I’m going to the
Q. Is that pretty much a quote?
A. That is a rephrasing.
Q. Rephrasing, but that is what they told you; is that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. Was there any other conversation – let me ask you – I’ll withdraw that last question. Did either officer get emotional during that conversation?
A. Guenther – at one time Whiteley left the room and Guenther got quite emotional and I got crying.
Q. Did you get emotional, too?
A. I started to cry, yes.
Q. What was Deputy Charles Guenther saying to you? What was he doing when he got emotional?
A. He was – he was telling me how wonderful they were being, really trying to save me from a mess and how you people were putting things on me and how rotten everyone out here had been, you know, how – about what you were supposed to have done with Gary, and it was – and he was just telling me how hard they were trying to see to it that I could stay back East and start a new life, you know, that sort of business, and, you know, get my son and how I really ought to go along with them.
Q. You stated several times they mentioned your son. Did they mention your son several times?
A. They did because they know how a baby would affect me.
Q. A reference to how you feel about your child, how do you feel about your child? Let me rephrase the question. You love your child very much, don’t you?
A. Yes.
Q. I would imagine he probably means more to you than anything else in the world; isn’t that correct?
A. Than most anything else.
Q. Anything means more to you?
A. Yeah.
Q. Could you tell the Court what it is?
A. It means more to me, Bobby, that I undo what I did to you.
Q. When you say that – to undo, what you did, what you did, did you not tell the truth at that time?
A. That’s right.
Q. I’ll continue. I’ll go back to where you were and we were talking about how you felt about your child. You love him dearly; isn’t that correct?
A. That’s right.
Q. You’d do what you could to protect him from any kind of harm; wouldn’t you?
A. Yes.
Q. Just about anything?
A. Just about. Just about.
Q. You feel it is the best thing for him to be in the custody of his mother?
A. Yes.
Q. At this time, or do you think he would be better – it would be better for him if he was in your custody?
A. You said in the custody of his mother, that’s me.
Q. I’m sorry. In the custody of your mother.
A. Right at this moment, you know, there is nothing that – you know, I tried to change that but I wouldn’t because it was stopped.
Q. What do you mean by it was stopped?
A. I tried to get custody back of him but I couldn’t.
Q. That was promised to you; is that correct?
A. No, this was last December I tried but it was stopped from this end. It was okayed by the Social Work Department but it was stopped by someone else.
Q. Do you know who that someone else is?
A. No one volunteered that they did it, no. I can imagine who did it.
44 comments:
Where was mary brunner on the night of august 8
Sharon-n-Jay at play said...
Where was mary brunner on the night of august 8
7:17 PM, September 20, 2006
in jail..
Mary was PRESSURIZED into sticking with the story? Well no wonder she is still so wierd today....
Remember- If they can abuse and manipulate the guilty, what prevents them from coming after and doing the same to you and me?
I really dout we are on their most wanted list's.
Deadwood-
For now.
That's what everyone said during the Reich
ColScott said...
Deadwood-
For now.
That's what everyone said during the Reich
11:51 AM, September 21, 2006
I dont think deadwood understands the word Reich. She may try google. :)
Pristash said...
Mary was PRESSURIZED into sticking with the story? Well no wonder she is still so wierd today....
7:34 AM, September 21, 2006
HI Pristash
Mary isnt weird. I dont understand the comment.
Peace
wow
what gracious treats they had served up for her. Mary wasnt even a drinker, but had 2 pretty strong drinks set up for her.
odd. or Not.
ColScott said...
Deadwood-
For now.
That's what everyone said during the Reich
11:51 AM, September 21, 2006
Hmmm is this a HITLER blog?i thought we were talking about the Manson family DUH!!!! silly me i must of been mistaken
Salem said...
ColScott said...
Deadwood-
For now.
That's what everyone said during the Reich
11:51 AM, September 21, 2006
I dont think deadwood understands the word Reich. She may try google. :)
12:31 PM, September 21, 2006
oh my dear salem can you get anymore up the Cols ass?yes Col no Col three bags full Col
hot off the presses,
says candygramma:
Re: [charlesmanson_and_family] Re: ColScott
see I dont really CARE what he puts up on his BLOG- if he likes to dirty up his BLOG with crap and garbage that is HIS choice.. I really dont care what he says about me because people that KNOW me- knows it is just a bunch of pitiful crap...See if WE talk civil about him and he talks trash?WHO looks better???????????
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Good Grief. Now I see where people are using others names in thier photo accounts in the hopes that people will see it and think they are that person. That's a pretty lame attempt to cause trouble since most people have been around the internet long enough to know better. LOL. LOL. LOL.
So many troublemakers on this blog, it insults my strong Christian beliefs. Praise the Lord and Amen.
Now can we get back to talking about Charlie and friends? I'm totally into them. I never had any cool friends like that while growing up. Hallelujah Jesus.
Salem said...
Pristash said...
Mary was PRESSURIZED into sticking with the story? Well no wonder she is still so wierd today....
7:34 AM, September 21, 2006
HI Pristash
Mary isnt weird. I dont understand the comment.
Peace
My apologies, Salem! My bad...I was thinking of Sandy, not Mary...haven't seen any videos of late of Mary to form an opinion on how wierd or not she is. My comment really was about the use of the word PRESSURIZED. Instead of saying that Mary was pressured into cooperating he said she was PRESSURIZED into cooperating...and it brought up for me images of Mary being miniaturized and shrink wrapped like a pound of coffee in the grocery store.
Peace to you, and all.
Candygramma bashes Colscott said...
hot off the presses,
says candygramma:
Re: [charlesmanson_and_family] Re: ColScott
see I dont really CARE what he puts up on his BLOG- if he likes to dirty up his BLOG with crap and garbage that is HIS choice.. I really dont care what he says about me because people that KNOW me- knows it is just a bunch of pitiful crap...See if WE talk civil about him and he talks trash?WHO looks better???????????
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8:06 PM, September 21, 2006
I have never know a women who takes the internet so serious.I have been kicked out of that group so many times last time it was by that BEAUTIFUL! tanya (gag).they talk about rubbish and if you insult one of them they ban you(boo hoo).The war they have with the Col has been going on for as long has i can remember really they should call their group,THE-COL-AND-FAMILY.
MsMummery said...
Good Grief. Now I see where people are using others names in thier photo accounts in the hopes that people will see it and think they are that person. That's a pretty lame attempt to cause trouble since most people have been around the internet long enough to know better. LOL. LOL. LOL.
So many troublemakers on this blog, it insults my strong Christian beliefs. Praise the Lord and Amen.
Now can we get back to talking about Charlie and friends? I'm totally into them. I never had any cool friends like that while growing up. Hallelujah Jesus.
9:43 PM, September 21, 2006
Good lord if i were really Marion Davis i dout i would be useing a pc,however i would of got to live at hearst castle for a while(smile smile)
Ha! That wasn't meant for you Deadwood, it's about some other fools on here who know who they are.
They obviously need the Church Lady in thier lives. IF you need to be saved I'm the one to do it. I love tearing people down but I'm still one devout Christian lady. I say a prayer every night to prove it to myself. You should all be so lucky.
Praise God and all my fellow Louisiana hypocritical bible thumpers!!
Hallelujah!!
By the way, don't you think Bobby B. was HOT??
I would do him in a southern split second.
Amen!!
If you must post can you make sense?
Or at least be funnier?
Pristash
:)
Peace
have a nice week end!
My dearest picture borrowing troll-
I am really quite honored that you have chosen me as the object of your lame trolling skills. I think you are just swell, and really you don't need to get a life or an imagination. Honest. So thanks and a big internet muah for you, we will do lunch.
MsDummery-Man, you are so funny. I bet you light bags of shiat on fire and ring doorbells and run away too? Neither your humor or that gag gets old. Wish I knew where I could send the St. Bernard just to help ya out.
So, thanks but really, your words linger, and you don't have to keep repeating your sorry attempts at humor.
Now, run along, take the helmet and get back on the short bus.
I don't know you Cat's Cradle or what you are referring to..so sorry but nothing I've said was in any way directed at you, I don't even have a picture!!
Sorry, I do admit I have something of a sour attitude but that's what happens when your husband pays you no attention. You become a sexually frustrated pain in the ass.The only think I got from my marriage is my pet bird Petey.
Well praise the lord for Petey!!
:):):)
PS...I'll work on being funnier for y'all!!
msmummy and deadwood
you are not funny at all.
Why do you come here and bash the Col's blog and start trouble? Stay on your on pityful fantasy board to play.
I noticed that deadwood spells and sounds very much like white rabbit.
???
Could it be?
oh no, the return of the white rabbitt??
now that explains why jay has been scratching his bare chest all day. he's allergic to fur, ya know.
rabbitt's are know to transmit fleas and other small mites that can cause severe itching.
now who was it who said that blondes were dumb?
Sharon-n-Jay at play said...
oh no, the return of the white rabbitt??
now that explains why jay has been scratching his bare chest all day. he's allergic to fur, ya know.
rabbitt's are know to transmit fleas and other small mites that can cause severe itching.
now who was it who said that blondes were dumb?
1:34 PM, September 22, 2006
ummm
Rod Stewart said *Blondes Have more fun*:)
Peace
MsMummery said...
By the way, don't you think Bobby B. was HOT??
I would do him in a southern split second.
Amen!!
7:22 AM, September 22, 2006
Bobby was cute but my heart would of belonged to charlie:P:P:P
Salem said...
I noticed that deadwood spells and sounds very much like white rabbit.
???
Could it be?
1:24 PM, September 22, 2006
how lame can you get salem......like i told you before go read some of charlies letter's,He also spells like me ,if you have any that is.
And your do out of it dont you know how to check IPs lol.
says deadwood
how lame can you get salem......like i told you before go read some of charlies letter's,He also spells like me ,if you have any that is.
And your do out of it dont you know how to check IPs lol.
1:49 PM, September 22, 2006
Ya I do, I traced raven back to Fla.
CM wouldnt have the time of day for a idiot like you. You have no class.
Col.
what year was Bobby Beausoleil in the band Love with Arthur Lee?
Salem said...
says deadwood
how lame can you get salem......like i told you before go read some of charlies letter's,He also spells like me ,if you have any that is.
And your do out of it dont you know how to check IPs lol.
1:49 PM, September 22, 2006
Ya I do, I traced raven back to Fla.
CM wouldnt have the time of day for a idiot like you. You have no class.
2:02 PM, September 22, 2006
Let me think back didnt He order the killings of women with class?nah my mistake.
1:49 PM, September 22, 2006
Ya I do, I traced raven back to Fla.
In that case check your buddys ip white rabbitt and then check mine.........DUH!!!!
2:02 PM, September 22, 2006
rabbit is in Texas. But u are NOT in Canada.
don't post to me anymore. Go love on Charlie.
Rabbit isn't in Texas anymore. He's in Massachusetts.
Salem said...
rabbit is in Texas. But u are NOT in Canada.
don't post to me anymore. Go love on Charlie.
7:55 AM, September 23, 2006
LOL im on shaw cable you stupid women...dont worry salem anyone who cares where rabbitt and raven are flys over the cookoo nest
I was asked to find those ips.
Not because of my interest , but to clear up lies.
and deadwood
LOL im on shaw cable you stupid women...dont worry salem anyone who cares where rabbitt and raven are flys over the cookoo nest *
your spelling says so much about you. Not to mention word comprehension.
Salem said...
I was asked to find those ips.
Not because of my interest , but to clear up lies.
and deadwood
LOL im on shaw cable you stupid women...dont worry salem anyone who cares where rabbitt and raven are flys over the cookoo nest *
your spelling says so much about you. Not to mention word comprehension.
you replying to my bad spelling says alot about you to hehehehe.
Salem, you make me very angry, and I am not an angry person. I have watched you attack one person after another and you just keep going. Like the energizer bunnie, but evil. This blog has lost the great people like my beloved cat, my friend 60's, the awesome Monk, the beautiful Heaven and even the dreaded Savage is gone. There are many more. Leave Deadwood alone, post about the topic at hand and stop making attacks.
Col, I love you blog, I wont let this psychotic multipersonality used douch bag run me out. I am sorry for being foul, I am sick from Salem and from Chemo and I can't hold my tongue...and I miss my friends who are now gone...
P.S. here come the posts from salem friend defending her, who by the way are her, so just ignore them deadwood and pristash
P.S. here come the posts from salem friend defending her, who by the way are her, so just ignore them deadwood and pristash
says Dok
I am only me, I have one name.
I did not run your freinds off. Monk is my freind Savage is a freind.
Heaven is still here.
I dont know why your are jumping me now.
I only attack after someone attacks me first.
Cat and 60's left long ago and started blogs. I have no blog, and I am not here to cause trouble.
I have never been mean to you n any way that I recall but yet you can attack me this way!
*Col, I love you blog, I wont let this psychotic multipersonality used douch bag run me out.*
well, psychotic multipersonality used douch bag * sorry, not me !
I am not running anyone out.
get a grip.
pristash
???????
I have never said NOT one thing out of the way to her.
why are u doing this DOK?
nevermind, I dont care what u say or a call me. I know the truth.
oh btw
alot of people are here reading not posting..they havent been run off!
I'm still around Dok, I just don't post as much... How are you feeling? Been so long since I spoke with ya. I hope all is well with you...
=)
i haven't noticed a whole lot of flaming or name calling since i started reading this blog about 4 or 5 months ago i haven't noticed that salem or any other regular commenter is over the top not like on some of the message boards i have been to on some forums it's so bad that the owner has his or her forum shut down so don't know what ur talking about dok
jc
Dok,
I am glad to see you-I was worried. I have decided that if you can be strong in the face of what you are facing, what I have to face is nothing in comparision. My friend, you have taught me a very valuable lesson, once again.
I am here for you and Wendy, you know where to find me always.
Big hugs for you and yours, and may you feel better soon.
Cats
Hey Dok, my thoughts are with you and yours... wondered where you had gone to
Deb
thanks for the videos and the transcripts Col.
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