Thursday, June 14, 2012

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Police: Jack Pursel told Charles Manson disciple about murders 20 years ago

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Jack Pursel addresses the court after pleading guilty to two counts of first-degree murder at the Black Hawk County Court House in Waterloo, Iowa Thursday, June 7, 2012. (TIFFANY RUSHING / Courier Staff Photographer)

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WATERLOO, Iowa --- Twenty years before he showed up at the Waterloo Police Department to admit to an unsolved 1981 double slaying, Jack Wendell Pursel confessed his crime to a member of the "family" of convicted mass murderer Charles Manson.

Pursel, a 66-year-old retired truck driver from California, pleaded guilty Thursday to two counts of murder in the torture deaths of Robert and Goldie Huntbach. The plea came about a month after he confessed to investigators in May.

But, even though Pursel didn't fight the criminal charges, detectives had to do their legwork to make sure they had the right man and to ensure they could get a conviction had he decided to take the case to trial.

Investigators pored over old reports and records to make sure details Pursel remembered were things only the killer would know. They traveled to California to visit Pursel's old haunts.

And they met with a former member of Charles Manson's cult, Bruce Davis, who is serving life in prison for taking part in two murders on Manson's orders.

In 1969, Davis and others killed musician Gary Hinman and ranch hand Donald Shea. Shea was suspected of being a police informer following the Tate-LaBianca murders, and Manson family members killed Hinman as they tortured him in an attempt to get him to sign over property.

Pursel met Davis while Pursel was serving time for a sex crime in California, where he fled following the Huntbach slayings.

Active in ministry in prison, Davis had preached to Pursel, police said.

"I think Davis may have been the person who brought him to Christ," said Investigator Robert Duncan with the Waterloo Police Department.

Pursel had told Davis about the killings in the 1990s, a fact that Pursel disclosed when he confessed to Waterloo police in May.

Part of the Waterloo detectives' task was to confirm this with Davis.

Davis first denied any such conversation when reached by phone, Duncan said. But then officers traveled to talk with him in person at the California Men's Colony at San Luis Obispo.

The former Manson Family member was polite but reserved, Duncan said.

"He was cordial with us," Duncan said.

Davis said he had lied on the phone and admitted Pursel had told him about the murders, but he didn't add much detail, Duncan said. Davis told the detectives he was "shocked" by Pursel's admission, and he talked of his own plans to continue ministering if he is ever granted parole.

Waterloo police also found the South Gate apartment where Pursel had lived for several years before deciding to turn himself in for the Iowa murders. It was cleaned out --- he had sold all his possessions and put the money in a bank account that was turned over to authorities for restitution this week.

Neighbors remembered Pursel but said they had little interaction with him, Duncan said. A Los Angeles-area officer recalled visiting Pursel's apartment a number of years earlier to verify his sex offender registration. Pursel was rude and cursed at him, the officer remembered.

Authorities said Pursel never lived in Waterloo but knew the Huntbachs through a relative. He took a bus to Waterloo in January 1981 as part of a plan to rob the elderly couple while he was on the run from the California sex charge. He stayed at a hotel and later recounted to police how there had been a grocery store across the street. The house was later demolished for a highway project.

After ransacking the home and killing the two --- a crime which netted about $6,000, according to prosecutors --- he flew out of Waterloo on a plane headed for Chicago.

Not long after that, Pursel was detained while hitchhiking in Wyoming and sent back to California to serve time for oral copulation with a minor.

Waterloo police had considered Pursel a suspect early in the murder investigation, but they never had enough evidence to charge him. A Los Angeles County homicide detective interviewed him in prison, and two Waterloo investigators visited him behind bars in 1983. Both times, Pursel asked for an attorney, and questioning ended.

Duncan said he was impressed at the amount of effort earlier investigators had put into the case, which generated regular work for at least 15 years after the crime.

The case file surpassed 100 pages. It was the days before DNA evidence, but officers had fumed the entire Huntbach home to search for fingerprints. Pursel would later tell police he used gloves. Police even used hypnosis in an attempt to get a witness to recall the exact words a suspect had used in a conversation, Duncan said.

When Pursel finally turned himself in in May, police talked with him for about two days, keeping him in a downtown hotel overnight.

He told police the number of gunshots and the locations of the fatal wounds, and remembered the color of a cattle prod used for torture, Duncan said.

These and other details were checked against investigative records, and officers questioned family members and even reviewed Courier archives to make sure those specifics hadn't been released to the public in earlier accounts.

As with his plea in the courtroom, Pursel's police interview often strayed into religion.

On the second day, when police told him they had enough to arrest him, Pursel said he was finished.

"I don't think he wanted to talk about the torture he had done," Duncan said.

Pursel was sentenced to two concurrent life prison sentences without the possibility of parole.



Will He Try to Blame Bill Nelson like LVH?

Parole hearing delayed for Manson family member


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LOS ANGELES — A parole hearing for former Charles Manson follower Bruce Davis was postponed at the last minute Wednesday after the inmate reported he was feeling ill.

FILE - This undated file photo provided by the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, shows Bruce Davis. Davis, a follower of Charles Manson who has twice had his parole date set and rescinded tries again on Wednesday June 13,2012 to convince a parole board he is ready to be released. (AP Photo/California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, File)
FILE - This undated file photo provided by the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, shows Bruce Davis. Davis, a follower of Charles Manson who has twice had his parole date set and rescinded tries again on Wednesday June 13,2012 to convince a parole board he is ready to be released. (AP Photo/California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, File)

Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira said Davis showed up for the hearing in San Luis Obispo but said he didn't feel well.

He was taken to a prison medical clinic in the California Men's Colony and was examined and sent back, but still complained of illness and parole commissioners said it was necessary to postpone.

"I saw him walking around in the hallway and he looked fine," said Sequeira. But he said under the circumstances, the parole panel could not go forward with the hearing. A new date was not immediately set.

Davis' lawyer, Michael Beckman, said he arrived after Davis had been taken away in an ambulance and when he was returned, "He looked deathly pale."

Beckman said he feared Davis might collapse during the hearing and "I wasn't going to take a chance."

Two women who had come to speak out against Davis' parole were upset at the turn of events.

Former Manson Family member Barbara Hoyt, who has become a crusader against the imprisoned cult members, said she traveled 1,000 miles from the Pacific Northwest and missed her dialysis treatments in order to speak on behalf of the family of stuntman Donald "Shorty" Shea who was murdered by the Manson cult 40 years ago.

Debra Tate, the sister of murdered actress Sharon Tate, traveled from Los Angeles to appear on behalf of a cousin of murdered musician Gary Hinman. She said she believes Davis is a dangerous person.

"I will be here for the next one," she said in a phone interview. "I'm not going away."

Davis is serving life sentences for the two 1969 slayings, although he was not involved in the infamous murders by Manson followers of actress Sharon Tate and six others in Los Angeles.

A parole board determined in 2010 that he was ready for release but then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger reversed the decision citing the heinous nature of the crimes.

Wednesday would have been his 27th parole hearing.

Sequeira said this was to be the first time that representatives of the victims were present. No victim families have come to previous hearings.

Beckman said he had planned to object to allowing Hoyt and Tate to speak against Davis since they had no connection to his case.

Sequeira cited Marcy's Law which allows victim relatives to speak.

"They're not next of kin," Beckman said. "That's not what Marcy's Law is about, to bring in hired victims' rights advocates."

Nevertheless, he said Davis was not put off by their presence.

"I told him they were here and he wanted to go ahead. But I couldn't take the chance. "

Beckman has portrayed Davis as a model prisoner who earned a master's degree in religion and a doctorate in philosophy of religion, became a born-again Christian in prison and ministered to other inmates. He also married a woman he met through the prison ministry and has a grown daughter. They were divorced recently.

But the Los Angeles prosecutor who has argued repeatedly to keep all Manson Family members behind bars has said that Davis, who has been in prison for 40 years, still isn't ready for release.

"We feel he is not fully rehabilitated," Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira said. "He has not shown true remorse or understanding of his crime."

Davis long maintained that he was just a bystander in the killings of Shea and Hinman. But at his last parole hearing in 2010, he acknowledged: "I was as responsible as everyone there."

Should a new parole panel grant Davis a release date, the decision would be just the first step in a process that also requires approval by Gov. Jerry Brown and other parole board members.

The only other Manson family member convicted of murder to be paroled was Steve Grogan. He was released in 1985 after leading authorities to the site where Shea's body was buried.

Manson follower Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme was released from federal prison in 2009 after serving time for the attempted assassination of President Gerald Ford.

Manson and two of his followers, Leslie Van Houten and Patricia Krenwinkel, remain in prison for life in the Tate killings. Their co-defendant, Susan Atkins, died in prison last year. Another Manson follower, Robert Beausoleil also is imprisoned for the Hinman killing.

The Computer Says No

Charles Manson follower Bruce Davis seeks parole after 40 years


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(CBS/AP) LOS ANGELES - Former Charles Manson follower Bruce Davis, who was on the brink of release from prison two years ago before then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger intervened, goes before another parole board panel Wednesday.

Davis is serving life sentences for two 1969 slayings, although he was not involved in the infamous 'Manson Family' murders of actress Sharon Tate and six others in Los Angeles. Wednesday's hearing at the California Men's Colony at San Luis Obispo will be his 27th parole hearing.

During his 40 years in prison, Davis earned a master's degree in religion and a doctorate in philosophy of religion, became a born-again Christian and ministered to other inmates. He also married a woman he met through the prison ministry and has a grown daughter.

But the Los Angeles prosecutor who has argued repeatedly to keep all Manson Family members behind bars has said that Davis still isn't ready for release.

"We feel he is not fully rehabilitated," Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira said. "He has not shown true remorse or understanding of his crime."

Davis long maintained that he was just a bystander in the killings of stuntman Donald "Shorty" Shea and musician Gary Hinman. But at his last parole hearing in 2010, he acknowledged: "I was as responsible as everyone there."

The state parole board determined that Davis was ready to be released. But Schwarzenegger later reversed the decision, saying the murders were "especially heinous" and arguing that Davis' release would pose an "unreasonable risk of danger to society."

Davis' lawyer, Michael Beckman, said in an interview Tuesday that his client is willing to take responsibility not just for his crimes but for other murderous actions by the Manson Family.

"He says that maybe because he was one of the older members of the group he should have led by example," Beckman said. "He now thinks that If he had said `no' to the Hinman killing, maybe the Tate-La Bianca killings wouldn't have happened."

Should the new parole panel grant Davis a release date, the decision would be just the first step in a process that also requires approval by Gov. Jerry Brown and other parole board members. The process could take five more months.

Davis and his wife recently divorced. If released, the 69-year-old would go to transitional housing in Los Angeles County and says he would try to pursue a career in the ministry.

The only other Manson Family member convicted of murder to be paroled was Steve Grogan. He was released in 1985 after leading authorities to the site where Shea's body was buried.

Manson and two of his followers, Leslie Van Houten and Patricia Krenwinkel, remain in prison for life in the Tate killings. Their co-defendant, Susan Atkins, died in prison last year.

Shockingly Bullshit Remains Bullshit


Two men relate to same haunting specter -- Charles Manson
By Miguel Marquez, CNN
updated 1:56 AM EDT, Tue April 24, 2012
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STORY HIGHLIGHTS

Two men grapple with same heavy burden -- they might both descend from Charles Manson
Cage fighter Jason Freeman says his family never discussed his infamous grandfather
L.A. musician Matthew Roberts learns Manson may have fathered him in a 1967 orgy
Moment of truth with DNA evidence: Are the two bound through the blood of Manson?

Cincinnati (CNN) -- Charles Manson casts a long shadow. No one knows that better than his grandson, Jason Freeman, who is speaking out for the first time about growing up under, what he calls, a "family curse" started by Manson and his so-called "Manson family."

"I'm personally, I'm coming out," says the 6-foot-2 kickboxer and cage fighter. Freeman, whose father killed himself in 1993, is "coming out," he says, because he wants the real Manson family to stop hiding from a name that still has the power to evoke fear.

Today, Freeman wants to understand his roots and himself a bit better, two things denied him as a child. He knew from a young age that Charles Manson was his grandfather, but it never registered till one day in eighth-grade history class, said Freeman. Our teacher " ... was talking about Charles Manson and I'm looking around like, are there people staring at me?"
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Man: I may be Charles Manson's son

Forbidden from talking about Charles Manson to his school friends lest they tease and taunt him, Freeman always felt different from the other kids. Even behind closed doors and with his own family, talk about Charles Manson was discouraged. He was not permitted to ask his grandmother, Rosalie, about Charles Manson, the man she married in 1955. It was a ghostly elephant roaming through his life.

More than anything, Freeman wants to connect with the father he knew only through an occasional letter or gift. He believes his father, who changed his name to Jay White, purposely stayed away from him, not wanting to tarnish his childhood in the same way his had been. "He just couldn't let it go," reckons Freeman. "He couldn't live it down. He couldn't live down who his father was."

Death on a desolate highway

Jay White, who was cursed with the name Charles Manson Jr., killed himself on June 29, 1993, on a desolate section of highway in Burlington, Colorado, just west of the Kansas state line.

The death certificate offers few clues as to why there and what finally pushed him over the edge. The document indicates it was about 10:15 a.m. when he died from a "self inflicted gunshot wound to the head" at "exit 438 on interstate 70."
Charles Manson\'s grandson, Jason Freeman, provides a DNA sample to determine if another man is also related to Manson.
Charles Manson's grandson, Jason Freeman, provides a DNA sample to determine if another man is also related to Manson.

Freeman, who wrestles, fights and suffers the pain of tattoos in his off-time, makes a living working on oil rigs in western Pennsylvania. He is a classically tough guy. But when it comes to the father he never met and when he thinks of what he went through as a child, he tears up.

When asked what he'd like his father to know, Freeman gets emotional and, fighting back tears, he whispers, "I want him to know ... he missed out on a lot."

Specifically, he wishes his father were there to enjoy his grandchildren and see the life he has built for himself.

"I see my kids, you know, and that's kinda where I get shook up," he says the tears rolling. "I would hate to see them grow up without a father. That's important. Very important."

Freeman wishes he could reverse time and tell his father on the stretch of Interstate 70 back in June of 1993 that whatever he was feeling at the moment would pass and a better life lay ahead.

Another Manson offspring, another search

The desire to know one's father and to understand oneself is the same force, the same primal instinct, driving Matthew Roberts, a 44-year-old Los Angeles musician. Roberts, who was adopted as an infant, sought out his birth parents in 1998.

Through an adoption agency, he found his birth mother; according to Roberts, she was a reclusive and psychologically troubled woman named Terri living in Wisconsin. As they got to know each other, Terri eventually dropped a small bomb on Roberts that set him on a 14-year search for his father.

Terri told him that Charles Manson was his father and that she had met Manson in San Francisco in 1967 at an orgy. He was one of four men there, and she was certain Manson had impregnated her.

Roberts didn't believe her except that he looked shockingly similar to Manson.

He then wrote to Manson in prison, explaining the situation. To Robert's surprise, prisoner B33920 wrote back. Manson, in his frantic style and chicken scratch penmanship, confirmed to Roberts that he was at the 1967 orgy and remembered his mother, Roberts said. He related stories that his mother had told him that only she, or his father, would know. What seemed like fantasy was fast becoming reality.

Roberts twice tried to get a DNA match with genetic material from Charles Manson, but the samples were contaminated.

But says Dr. Michael Baird, chief science officer at DNA Diagnostics Center in Fairfield, Ohio, there is another way to establish the family link. If Matthew Roberts and Jason Freeman are related, they will have an exact copy of Charles Manson's Y chromosome. "The male line is easier to compare," said Baird, "because the Y chromosome stands out so strong. We can get a very good correlation if the two are related.

So curious were both men to once and for all solve the mystery, CNN took the extraordinary step to have both men's DNA taken and the results compared.

A match seemed likely.

Same members of notorious family?

The men seem predisposed to being related. Their lives run along parallel tracks.

Both are drawn to fame and fortune. Roberts is lead singer of a band called New Rising Son. Freeman is a fighter who goes by the name Freebird.

But both men have also had to settle for doing more conventional jobs to pay the bills. Freeman has his oil rig job; Roberts is a DJ at the Blue Zebra Cabaret in Los Angeles' San Fernando Valley.

Both men have self-published their own books. Freeman's "Knocking out the Devil" and Roberts' "The First Rays of the New Rising Sun."

But the question remained: Is Charles Manson the common denominator in the lives of these two men?

It took DNA Diagnostic Center 48 hours to resolve a mystery that Roberts chased for 14 years. With both men in the same room, Baird told the men what they found.

"We did a battery of DNA tests. We studied your DNA along several points, and we have concluded you do not share a common biological ancestry."

The news dropped on the room like a fact etched in lead. Jason Freeman exclaimed "holy cow." Freeman hoped to gain an uncle and perhaps a bit more insight into his family and his father's life.

Matthew Roberts was visibly shaken as though he had just been robbed. Roberts was upset.

"Now there's no chance of knowing who my father is," said Roberts. "That's the only lead I had, so now I have no chance of meeting or knowing my biological father."

Most people would be overjoyed to discover that Charles Manson wasn't related to them, but Roberts now feels his 14-year search for a father has ended in a cul de sac, without definition and not sure where to go next.

Such is the power of wanting to know where we come from and trying to make sense of our present lives by knowing our past. For both men, the search continues.

Tex's Babblings To be Heard By Overworked Cops

Judge declines to reverse order giving Manson follower tapes to police

By Michael Martinez and Michael Cary, CNN
updated 9:32 PM EDT, Wed June 13, 2012
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Charles "Tex" Watson.

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
  • A bankruptcy judge rejects a request by Charles "Tex" Watson
  • Watson wanted police to only listen to his personal tapes, not take possession of them
  • Los Angeles police believe the tapes might have clues about unsolved killings
  • In a letter to CNN, Watson says "there are no unsolved murder committed by the Manson Family"
(CNN) -- A federal bankruptcy judge in Texas on Wednesday rejected a request by imprisoned Charles Manson follower Charles D. "Tex" Watson not to turn over personal tape recordings to Los Angeles police.
Police want decades-old recordings between Watson and his attorney because authorities believe the tapes might provide new clues about unsolved killings involving followers of Manson, according to court documents.
Watson asked the judge to allow police to listen to all recordings in the presence of a court trustee or other designate but not take possession of them as the judge earlier ordered. The judge declined Watson's request to reconsider that order.

Manson tapes shed light on cold cases?
"To the extent Watson seeks a remedy regarding the LAPD's use of the recordings, or to prevent their release to the media, such matters are governed by nonbankruptcy law and can be addressed to a court of competent jurisdiction," Chief U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Brenda T. Rhoades wrote in her ruling.
In the meantime, Los Angeles police plan to pick up the tapes on Friday, spokesman Cmdr. Andrew Smith told CNN.
In a new letter to CNN, Watson asserted that "there are no unsolved murders committed by the Manson Family."
The tapes are about eight hours of recordings between Watson and his attorney from 1969, Bill Boyd of McKinney, Texas, whose law firm is now a debtor in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in the same state, court papers said.
According to court documents, Watson waived his attorney-client privilege to the tapes in 1976, and his attorney received partial payment for his legal fees when he gave a copy of the tapes to Chaplain Raymond G. Hoekstra, who subsequently wrote a book, "Will You Die for Me: The Man Who Killed for Charles Manson Tells His Own Story."
Watson wrote a June 5 letter to CNN: "There is nothing new on the tapes that was excluded from my book 'Will You Die For Me?' The book was co-authored to show delicate consideration when sharing the graphic details of the crime in order to show respect towards the families of the victims."
Watson, Manson and three others -- Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, and Leslie Van Houten -- were convicted of murder and other charges in a two-night rampage that left pregnant actress Sharon Tate and seven others dead, including Leno and Rosemary LaBianca.
The gruesome killings were chronicled in the best-seller "Helter Skelter," and in Wednesday's court ruling, the judge notes that "Watson expresses concern that the contents of the recordings may be hurtful to the families of his victims in the Tate-LaBianca murders."
In 2008, Watson wrote CNN that he was aware of no bodies buried in a remote Death Valley, California, site called Barker Ranch, the hideout for Manson and his family, when CNN did a report about a corpse-sniffing dog visiting the site.
In court filings last week, Watson requested "that the Tapes not be turned over to the LAPD, because they are not a creditor to my late attorney Bill Boyd, God rest his soul" and "because repercussions of the motion have not been fully considered by all parties concerned."
Added Watson in court documents: "... this case is high notoriety, with much media attention. For this reason, special consideration should be made with who takes possession of The Tapes, so they will not be misused for purposes unintended by the court and that could be hurtful to the families of the victims."
Watson, 66, was convicted of seven counts of first-degree murder and was denied parole for the 16th time in November. He will be considered again in 2016, according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

Tuesday, June 12, 2012

The Problem of Bruce


Bruce Davis represents a unique situation among the Family murderers constantly vying for parole. He was involved in the murder of Hinman and Shea. He was part of the TLB conspiracy and cover-up although he was never tried for it. And thanks primarily to the Bug's novel it is alleged that he might have committed more murders running into the double digits. Finally, reading Statman or just opening one's eyes. his conversion to Prison Ministry seems at best grossly insincere.

See but here is the thing- Bug could allege anything about Bruce in that novel. He could say maybe the guy assraped 52 Mexican children. Because as a disbarred attorney from Hawthorne, I know that Bruce's only recourse would be to sue for damage to reputation. And shockingly, convicted murderers are not seen as having reputations that can be damaged. How about that?

So Bug doesn't win his election, cranks out with Gentry his novel and decades later the uneducated read it and believe his every word. Remember even HE doesn't believe it any more- he was okay with Susan getting out of jail to die. It did what he wanted it to do- make him rich and famous.

So again, remember the LAW. The LAW says that these death penalty convictions were reduced to LIFE with the possibility of parole. No parole options didn't come around for another 9 years.

So the JOB of the parole board is to determine if the inmate is suitable for parole. Does he have a job? Does he have people to watch out for him? Is he likely to do bad shit again.

That's all they do. They do not  decide if his Christianity is real. They don't look at the footage of him stoned out of his mind when he and Nancy came out of the storm drain. They don't decide if maybe he committed other murders he hasn't been charged with.

And so, rightly, every time for like years now, they decide that he's doing pretty good. Because he has a wife, support teams, and so much arthritis it would be hard to wield a knife.

But then he doesn't get out. Last time because the Terminator didn't want him out.

Why? Is it legal? Well it is legal just barely, because the governor does have that option. But the main reason he doesn't get out is fear- fear of being the asshole who let a Manson Family member out. It's not Hoyt's lies, Orca's presence, or Bug's skillful prosecution- it's fear. Clem was released in the middle of the night and no elected official was involved. Lucky fucker. But Sadie was a one legged gimp who wanted to die in a real bed and all the Hillbilly lawyering of Whitehouse didn't succeed.

Bruce will likely get parole again, or at worst a one year denial.

But he's gonna die in prison.

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Now conversely, what he could do is cut a deal for one of the other possible murders. "Here's what I'll do- you approve my parole and I'll admit to killing the two Scientologists. Hell I will blame Sadie too, bitch is dead, fuck her. I get immunity and release- you get to announce that you were a genius who solved a 40 year old crime? Deal?" I think someone would take that.

Only problem with that is that it blows apart his carefully scripted decades long facade.

Guy is screwed.

Monday, June 11, 2012

Robin's Imaginary Friend Patti


Yeah yeah I've been away again. The radiation is over in two weeks. I'll try to care more about this case after that, okay? Besides I don't think I've missed much right? BUG didn't shoot himself and leave a note screaming that Junior's real father was the milkman and that Charlie couldn't really stop watches just by looking at them, right?

So Robin Olsen tried to attack the brilliant Statman book, and failed as all evil doers must fail. Her homophobia and delusions did not carry the day.

I am pretty sure that Danielle in the comments is really Robin. She writes a certain way. Piece of shit cow even started trying to write bad reviews of the book over at Amazon. Ignorance sounds the same no matter what you call yourself. Bitch can't help it.

Danielle in the comments writes-

Danielle said...
It's interesting how people hide behind phrases such as "it's just my opinion" ... the newspapers that printed salacious material about the Cielo murder victims probably tried to justify their actions with the same cop-out when they printed crap about Sharon being into orgies etc.

Marliese, I respect that you don't want to answer my hypothetical but this proves my point.

Did Debra choose to have her life unravel publicly when her sister and nephew were slaughtered? Or when her parents retreated into grief, leaving young sisters to deal with the unimaginable trauma in their own ways?

Her family had the misfortune of not only having a loved one murdered in a cruel and heinous manner, but having the entire ordeal played out in public.

And yet you and others judge and condemn on a forum that calls one of those sisters revolting names that would make her parents turn in their graves, and provides details of the other sisters' funeral arrangements (Patti's) alongside pictures of a naked woman giving oral sex. Classy.

You participate in such a forum and pass judgment on someone you admittedly don't know now and didn't know back then, while simultaneously being "offended" that your own credentials in grief and suffering are called into question?

I'm sure you'll find ways to rationalize this.
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Sigh. Robin, you can only keep provoking for so long before Karma smacks you on that huge ass and you go down hard, a victim of your own stupidity. But let's respond because I have a brain, I am the Col and The Wizard of Speed and Time and I know my shit.

I'll be in blue.

Danielle said...
It's interesting how people hide behind phrases such as "it's just my opinion" ... the newspapers that printed salacious material about the Cielo murder victims probably tried to justify their actions with the same cop-out when they printed crap about Sharon being into orgies etc. Actually you cannot point to a single newspaper that said it was just their opinion, Moron. They may have reported OTHER PEOPLE'S reports and opinions but that is what reporting is, printing what you are told. And the victims WERE into drugs and they WERE into Kinky Sex. Not all of them into both mind you but it isn't like it was just pulled out of the fucking sky.

Marliese, I respect that you don't want to answer my hypothetical but this proves my point.You don't have a point, bitch. You are asking Marliese in an earlier question about what she would do if she had been a victim with no evidence that she ever has been a victim. You don't phrase anything as a hypothetical so your argument is specious and stupid, just like you.

Did Debra choose to have her life unravel publicly when her sister and nephew were slaughtered? Did 17 year old Debra choose to frolic fully nude at Cielo Drive with major drug dealers who were the first suspects of the slaughter of her sister? The Tates couldn't have minded nudity, Sharon did plenty, but did 25 year old Debra do shitty tasteless nudity in order to attract attention by promoting the spread as Dead Sharon's little Sister? Did 30 something Debra try to shut down websites by falsely and illegally claiming she owns Sharon's Likeness? Did 40 Something Debra break into her mother's house looking for expensive jewelery that she wanted badly? Look, what happened to the family in 1969 SUCKED BEYOND COMPARE. Yet Debra Tate ends up DISOWNED and DISINHERITED. If in 1979 you told me she was in daily therapy and making progress I would feel for her. But it is 2012 and Orca lies flagrantly, attacks her own niece and then refuses to bury her father because he hated her. It was 43 years ago- grow the fuck up.
Or when her parents retreated into grief, leaving young sisters to deal with the unimaginable trauma in their own ways?I wonder what the father's trauma was like when he found all those full muff shots of underage Orca with Pic Dawson.


Her family had the misfortune of not only having a loved one murdered in a cruel and heinous manner, but having the entire ordeal played out in public.Life can suck. And you can respond like a classy Doris and a classy Patti or an uncouth, full of shit Orca. And if you go the Orca route, expect people to call you on it.

And yet you and others judge and condemn on a forum that calls one of those sisters revolting names I'll have you know that Orca is a very well liked and grand creaturethat would make her parents turn in their graves,Fuck You You Stupid WHORE Her father cannot turn in any grave because stupid fat whale probably has his ashes in her spare toilet where she talks to him once a week. and provides details of the other sisters' funeral arrangements (Patti's) This was done because Olsen (you) and Orca both lied about what Statman did. Provable and completely LIED. alongside pictures of a naked woman giving oral sex. Classy. You know I truthfully didn't look at that picture at the time- I thought she was taking a dump. I will go find a classy dump picture and use it this time.

You participate in such a forum and pass judgment on someone you admittedly don't know now and didn't know back then, while simultaneously being "offended" that your own credentials in grief and suffering are called into question? Except she didn't do anything of the kind. She wasn't offended, she told you you were wrong. You are.

I'm sure you'll find ways to rationalize this.

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Look I am tired. You want to know what Debra Tate's problem was/is? Ask Jan Brady.

Debra wanted to be Sharon. Sharon was pretty, famous and got all the attention. Debra wasn't close to her beauty, but she showed full bush with the headline "Sharon's Little sister" so that someone might compare her. She wants fame which is why she goes to Leslie's hearings, Lesie who didn't do shit to her family. It isn't that hard to see this, why do people act like it isn't sad but TRUE.
Yes I hate Orca Tate. HATE. Because it is all just a sideshow, number 4,326 in a story with too many sideshows. I want to know why the people at Cielo and Waverly were murdered. That is what this blog is for. MAYBE Debra hanging with Pic and friends means something. Everything else, who cares?? I don't care about a 35 year old porn spread, and I don't care about anything she says because she is a liar who was disowned by her family. This is a sideshow people. We are doing exactly what the Bug wants us to do- ignore our mission.

Back to work.


Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Suddenly Sharon

(CNN) -- As
convicted
murder Charles
Manson comes
up for parole
review on
Wednesday,
there continues
to be an
enduring
fascination in
Hollywood
regarding his crimes.
The murder of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and four others on August 9, 1969, by members of a group known as the
Manson Family left a thumbprint on American pop culture that has influenced music, movies and books.
One of the latest projects is the book "Restless Souls: The Sharon Tate Family's Account of Stardom, the Manson
Murders, and a Crusade for Justice," written by a woman who has a personal tie with the story.
In March 1990, Alisa Statman was a young film director who had just been accepted into the Director's Guild, the
entertainment labor union that represents the interests of film and television directors.
To celebrate, she went house hunting and discovered there was a place for lease at 10050 Cielo Drive, which
happened to be the house where the infamous murders occurred. Although it was more than two decades later, as
Statman was unloading boxes, someone was filming something at the house.
Sharon Tate's sister on Charles Manson

"The day that I was
moving in, there was
a supposed producer
[on the property],"
said Statman, now an
assistant director on
"Modern Family."
"He was taking footage of some of the exterior. I just told him not to film me." About two weeks later, Statman said she received a letter from that producer, Bill Nelson. Nelson said he was working on a film about
the Manson murders and the Tate family, that he had the blessing of Sharon Tate's mother, Doris Tate, and asked if
Statman would be interested in helping. "Being in the business and being 21 years old, I was like 'Heck yes, I'd love
to do this.' "
From there, Statman said her life was radically altered: On a filming trip, she went with Nelson to the house of a
detective who had worked on the Tate case and who had mountains of police reports, photos, "everything
imaginable" piled high on a dining room table.
"Within all those pictures, I came across these two little blue boxes," she recalled. "I opened them up and there were
pictures of Sharon, Jay Sebring and Wojciech Frykowski, three of the victims. They'd obviously been taken in the
last week of her life. She was extremely pregnant. Along with the slides were the negatives. And they obviously had
been taken from the house, during the investigation, and never returned to the family.
"I was so angry. He'd been sitting on these photos for years. The second they left the room, I pocketed them, with the
intention of returning them to whoever I could find."
That person was Patti Tate, Sharon's sister, and Statman said the pair went on to strike up a romantic relationship.
The director said she helped Tate work on an unpublished autobiography and continued to be close to the Tate
family after Patti passed away from breast cancer in 2000. Statman spent the last five years constructing "Restless
Souls" using what she said are Patti's unpublished manuscripts, along with the unpublished writings of Sharon and
Patti's late parents, Doris and P.J. Tate.
Unlike many memoirs, which are written several decades after the incidents recounted, Doris and P.J. Tate wrote
their thoughts while everything that transpired was relatively fresh. The stories within, along with how Statman fell
into the Tate family legacy, are yet more fodder for those who remain interested in the tragedy, 40-plus years later.
"The murders happened in the middle of the hippie movement and there was a horrible outbreak of violence in one's
home," Statman said of the story's endurance. "Couple that with the victims were wealthy and famous, the months
and months of speculation as to who did this, only to find out that the Manson Family were right in the middle of this
hippie movement. I think that scared the hell out of a lot of people."
Manson and the Manson Family have long been weaved throughout pop culture. Musician Marilyn Manson is an
obvious example of someone who was influenced by the case, as well as British rock band Kasabian, who draw their
name from Manson Family member Linda Kasabian. Statman, while living at Cielo Drive, sublet her house to Trent
Reznor of Nine Inch Nails, where he recorded the group's second album, "The Downward Spiral" in a home studio
he constructed called "Le Pig." (Sharon Tate had been hung from a rafter in her living room and the word "Pig" was
written in her blood on the front door of the Los Angeles home.)
"About halfway through, I went to the house to pick up some stuff," Statman recalled. "I was terrified by what they'd
turn the house into and the bad vibes they'd brought with it. They had everything in black, there was a huge cross
with blood all over it; it was just weird." Reznor reportedly said that after meeting Patti Tate, he saw the murders
from the victims' perspective.
Manson has released albums of his own music and spoken word. TV specials about the murders have come in waves
over the years and now the Tate story has started to get the biopic treatment.
Over the past two years, reports have surfaced about three films in the works, all at various stages of development
and funding. "The Dead Circus," a half fiction half nonfiction account, has Michael C. Hall and Melissa Leo
attached and is being directed by Adam Davenport and written by author John Kaye.

Celebrity photographer Tyler Shields has been linked to a Tate biopic called "Eyes of a Dreamer" that reportedly has
Lindsay Lohan playing Tate and Shields playing Manson.
"True Blood" star Ryan Kwanten is attached to play Manson in an upcoming film called "The Family," reportedly
written and directed by Scott Kosar ("The Machinist," "The Amityville Horror").
"There's always hesitation for money to get behind the subject matter," said Davenport, who is still trying to secure
funding for "The Dead Circus." "[But] at its root, people are fascinated by evil and the psychological underpinnings
behind it."
Whether these films come to fruition, even the idea that several different people are actively pursuing this story now
is another nod to the influence of the Tate case. Statman said there has already been interest in the film rights to
"Restless Souls," but she said that for now, she's staying put with the survivors' words, as they told them, on page.
"I've gotten a few calls, but I haven't called anyone back yet," she said. "I want to focus on the book now. It's been
such a labor of love, I don't want to get distracted."

Friday, April 20, 2012

People Ask Us Shit


We get questions and we give answers when we feel like it

1- Listen yeah sure whatever how can you call the Helter Skelter theory insane?

A- Because it didn't even exist except in the masturbatory fantasies of BUG. It isn't a real thing. They didn't try to link it to Blacks. Not a single cop ever thought it was Blacks. It just wasn't real. I could talk to your 20 friends and take snippets of bullshit you said when you were high and state that you enjoyed armadillo sex and wanted to take over Navajo Territory but that don't make it sane or true. I have talked to the attorneys who were in charge before Bug wandered in. This theory was invented by the BUG. As he points out in the novel, he didn't HAVE to prove motive but it would be easier to get a conviction if he did. HE WANTED CHARLIE. Think about it- without Charlie some drug addled hippies killed some famous people. But with HS, we have a demonic guru. Spare me.

2- Hey why you be hating on Debra Tate? Didn't she suffer enough?

Debra Tate did in fact suffer and I believe the suffering put her off the rails. She always suffered from middle child syndrome (see: Jan Brady) and was never going to be as pretty as Patti or god help us Sharon. She was never going to be famous, Oui pull out or not. We all suffer in our own ways. Debra's way was to act out, against the world, against the family. It is very Miss Haversham. I am sure she talks to Sharon regularly and maybe even tries on parts of her clothing (she couldn't fit in a dress). Debra is to be pitied. EXCEPT

She illegally operates as if she owns Sharon when in fact legally those rights were left to others.
She continues to do interviews full of lies, muddying the waters for the truth.
She continues to wrongly hold her father's ashes hostage from his burial place next to his wife and daughters.
She is friends with Robin Olsen.

All of this makes her someone to be exposed, mocked and avoided.


3- How could Alisa Statman sully the Tate Family Legacy?

Did you read the book, bitches? No one has written anything that comes close to revealing the heartache they suffered and their reactions. Alisa didn't include Debra because she hadn't been part of the Tates for years.

4- Why did Charlie get a 15 year denial?

Cause homey don't give a shit.

5- What happened to my House Painter?

I don't know.

6- I thought you were getting profiled by some lady from the Chicago Sun-Times. What happened?

I really don't know. I took a long time, I gathered a friend, and gave her the tour of a lifetime. But no article.




Tuesday, April 17, 2012

Two Whales Consume a Lot of Plankton

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Apr 15, 7:39 PM EDT

Women linked by Manson murders form odd friendship

By TRACIE CONE

CORCORAN, Calif. (AP) -- On August 9, 1969, two naive 17-year-old girls were launched on a path that led to the unlikeliest of friendships.

That infamous night, four young people under the sway of a charismatic career criminal slipped into a neighborhood of Hollywood glitterati, then bludgeoned and stabbed rising young actress Sharon Tate, coffee heiress Abigail Folger and three others. Across town the next night, the band killed again.

The name Charles Manson quickly became a synonym for unimaginable evil, which nobody knows better than Debra Tate, Sharon's little sister, and Barbara Hoyt, the Manson family member whose testimony helped put the killers in prison.

"We've got a lot in common," said Hoyt, now a retired nurse. "She has been a big help to me."

"She makes sure I am holding my head up high," Tate said, "and I do the same for her."

Now both about 60, a Manson family member and the last living Tate family member have bonded in their long quest to keep those responsible behind bars. Both have testified repeatedly at Manson's parole hearings. Both say they still get threats from the cult killer's supporters - mostly white supremacists enamored with murders Manson orchestrated to incite a race war dubbed "Helter Skelter."

Even now not a day passes without Hoyt dwelling on the suffering Manson and her former comrades inflicted and on the widespread terror that ensued.

"We are completely linked by this event whether we want to be or not," she said of Debra Tate, who now runs a crime victims group. "She understands me, and I understand where she's coming from."

Hoyt never committed a crime for Manson, and her testimony helped send the cult leader and four followers to death row in 1971. The following year, when the California Supreme Court ruled the death penalty unconstitutional, their new life terms made them eligible for a while for annual parole consideration.

That is when the lives of Barbara Hoyt and Debra Tate began to intertwine. Over the decades, each as written letters to parole panels urging that the killers never be released, and each has traveled to obscure California farming towns for parole hearings in prisons housing some of the state's most notorious convicts.

At first Hoyt testified partly out of fear that the killers would seek revenge if released. But after becoming a registered nurse, she realized that the psychological and emotional pain of having to relive her involvement with the cult was another part of her payback to society.

"It's a descent into hell and then having to climb back out again," Hoyt said. "I think about it and I feel I was simply there to be a witness, because that has been my role. God gave me that role, and that's my reality."



Meanwhile Tate's late mother, Doris, had become the driving force for victims' rights in California and was instrumental in a 1982 law that allows family members to testify about their losses at trials and parole hearings.

When Doris died, that left her daughters Debra and Patti to carry on with her work. Patti died of breast cancer in 2000, leaving Debra, disabled from a postal service accident, to go it alone.

"Over time our mutual efforts brought us together," Hoyt said.

Now they talk regularly on the phone and get together when they're in the same town, usually for a parole hearing. Tate lives in the Southern California desert, and Hoyt in the Pacific Northwest, the specific location she wants to keep secret.

Trapped in drab institutional waiting rooms, they realized they were the same age and shared similar middle-class upbringings. Both were divorced mothers who raised daughters on their own. In 2006, when Manson associate Bruce Davis was up for parole for another murder Manson had orchestrated, the two had time to talk.

"I discovered that I really like Barbara," said Tate, who now works for victims' rights through her website http://www.sharontate.net . "She is a good person. She has a good soul and a good spirit and she has come through for us when it was very iffy whether these core members were going to get out."

As the friendship developed, Tate realized that Barbara has suffered from the murders as much as she had. "She flew under such a horrible social stigma for so long," Tate said. "For Barbara to have suffered the same stigma as those other sociopaths, well it just wasn't right."

Hoyt didn't appear Wednesday for the 77-year-old Manson's 12th and probably final parole hearing because she knew the prospects were virtually nil that the state would release such a notorious killer.

That left Tate alone to listen anew to the gory details of her sister's death, her hands tightly clasped, her lips pursed and her foot tapping.

They will be together again in June when Davis comes back up for a hearing at the California Men's Colony near San Luis Obispo. The parole board found him suitable for release in 2010, but then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger overruled the decision.

"We have been involved in this case since we were teenagers," Tate said. "Even if we could let go, the world would never let it go."

Both are adamant they will maintain the fight to keep all of them behind bars. Even though it is unlikely Manson's core group will ever be let go, they hope their resolve inspires other victims of crime.

"Both of us have been attacked by websites, viciously attacked over many, many years," Hoyt said. "I'd like to be an example to anyone who is ever a witness to a crime to come forward and be brave. Evil can be stopped, but it's up to us as people to do it."

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Orca- If the world would never let it go that means you could comfortably do so.

Orcette- Why have you been attacked? Because your Shorty Shea testimony is a complete lie based on the facts you present. Because your need for attention is on par with your need for curly fries. Because attention cannot fill the emptiness in your heart.

Hey is BUG going for her vagina with his left hand? Does he think she is his mailman's wife?

Looking at Kay's glasses do you think that guy EVER got laid?

Friday, April 13, 2012

But Where Will Orca Go if No More Hearings?

--- I love that she is worried about Charlie's afterlife

--- She went the full tranny look for this interview- good for her!

--- Voice...does she smoke two packs a day or something?

--- Yup I am certain that Charlie didn't show because he didn't want to become ORCA BAIT!

Thursday, April 12, 2012

Latin Music Specialist Speaks

"After My Trial..." - Freudian Slip?

It's amazing how this fool sticks to the fairy tale- just repeats it year after year.


Charlie Paroles To Space

Charles Manson denied parole, with next parole hearing set for 2027

By Michael Martinez, CNN
April 12, 2012 -- Updated 0941 GMT (1741 HKT)
Charles Manson, shown in a June 2011 prison photo, has accumulated 108 serious disciplinary violations in prison since 1971.

Corcoran, California (CNN) -- Notorious killer Charles Manson, 77, was denied parole Wednesday after a California parole panel "could find nothing good as far as suitability" for his being paroled, a commissioner said.

Manson didn't show up for his parole hearing, which was held at a state prison in Corcoran, California, where he is serving a life sentence.

Manson's next parole hearing was scheduled for 15 years from now, meaning he could die in prison.

California Board of Parole Hearings Commissioner John Peck said that Manson has accumulated 108 serious disciplinary violations in prison since 1971 and that he has shown no indication of remorse for his nine murder convictions.

Manson hasn't participated in any self-help programs or vocational training, Peck said. Manson also hasn't shown any parole plans, he said.

Peck also cited Manson's statement to a psychologist in a prison interview on November 2, 2011, in which Manson stated:

"I am special. I am not like the average inmate. I have put five people in the grave. I've been in prison most of my life. I'm a very dangerous man," Manson told the psychologist, according to a report read aloud by Peck during the hearing.

Those statements marked a change from Manson's past denials of having murdered nine people in 1969, and the statements showed some insight into his crimes, Peck said, reading from the report.

But two-member parole panel still found the statements troubling, denying him parole and scheduling his next hearing for 15 years from now, the maximum allowed under law, Peck said.

That would put Manson at age 92 for his next hearing, unless he petitions the board for an earlier hearing.

Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira, who opposed Manson's parole at the hearing, said Manson is likely to die in prison. Sequeira said he didn't know which "five people" Manson was referring to in his statement to the psychologist.

"When you think a person will be 92 years old, it's very likely that there will be no further parole hearings for Mr. Manson," Sequeira told reporters after the 80-minute hearing concluded.

"He does not deserve to be returned to society," the prosecutor added. "He has a history of refusing to cooperate, not only with psychologists for evaluations, but also for treatment."

DeJon R. Lewis, Manson's state-appointed attorney, who has never met his client, said he didn't know why Manson didn't show up for the hearing. Manson hasn't appeared at any of his parole hearings during the past 15 years.

Manson didn't come out of his cell to participate in an interview with Lewis a month ago, Lewis told the parole panel.

"Quite frankly, I don't think he could have helped himself today by speaking on the record," Lewis told reporters after the hearing.

Manson now has been denied parole 12 times, authorities said.

Manson was initially sentenced to death for the grisly 1969 slayings of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and eight others by a group of his followers -- called his "family" -- as part of what prosecutors said was an attempt to incite an apocalyptic race war between whites and blacks during the country's massive social unrest.

Manson's death sentence was changed to life in prison after California's death penalty was overturned for a period during the 1970s.

Manson and his family staged crime scenes to appear as if African-Americans or the Black Panthers committed the murders, Sequeira told the panel. He called the stabbing and shooting deaths "domestic terror."

After the race war, Manson and his followers would emerge from their desert retreat "to rule the world," Sequeira told the panel. Manson and his followers believed the Beatles' "White Album" predicted such an apocalyptic war, Sequeira told the panel.

Debra Tate, the sister of Sharon Tate, who attended Wednesday's hearing, told the parole panel that she believed Manson declined to attend the proceeding because he didn't want to hear her or any other victim's impact statement.

"He clearly does not want to be released into the public," Tate told the parole board.

After Manson was denied parole, with his next hearing scheduled for 2027, Tate was "elated," she told reporters. She has been attending Manson's parole hearings for the past 15 years.

"I was very pleased that we will never hear from Charlie Manson again," Tate told reporters. "I don't have to see him again. For this one, it's over."

Last October, Manson was found to be in possession of an inmate-manufactured weapon and he is now being held for 15 months in isolation in a secured housing unit in the California State Prison Corcoran, said Commissioner Gilbert Robles, the other member of the two-person parole panel.

In another incident, Manson was also found to be in a possession of a cell phone, another prison violation, the panel said.

Of the 108 serious discipline violations committed by Manson in prison, 35 of them were violent, Sequeira said.

Seven of the serious disciplinary violations occurred since Manson's previous parole hearing in 2007, the prosecutor said.

Manson has a history of manipulative and controlling behavior and has a record of mental health issues, including schizophrenia and a paranoid delusional disorder, Robles said.

Manson also had a history of using drugs such as LSD, amphetamines and barbiturates, but he hasn't participated in any self-help programs for the last 11 years, Robles said.

Manson dropped out of school at 3rd grade when he was 9 years old, and he spent years in boy reformatories. But he hasn't used his prison time to obtain a GED, which is an alternative high school diploma, according to Robles and Peck.

Manson posted an IQ of 121 in 1972, which is average to high average of intellectual functioning, Sequeira said

Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Your Father Smells of Elderberries

Sonofmanson

Charles Manson's Son: Matthew Roberts Says Cult Leader Conceived Him At Orgy

The Huffington Post | By Posted: 04/11/2012 10:49 am Updated: 04/12/2012 12:11 pm

Matthew Roberts claims that he is Charles Manson's son -- but he's worried that the cult leader may die before he finds out for sure.

The man who believes that Charles Manson is his father wants to know the truth before the man who orchestrated a sseries of horrific killings dies in jail.

Matthew Roberts, 44 -- who says he was conceived at a San Francisco orgy attended by Manson in 1967 -- is worried that two inconclusive DNA tests were his last hope to confirm whether his father is the infamous cult leader, CNN's Miguel Marquez reports.

The new push for answers comes on the heels of 77-year-old Manson's latest parole hearing, which will likely be his last.

Roberts says that unless he sees "somebody scrape a piece of skin off [Manson's] ass and bring it to a lab," he can't be sure if Manson is his father, he told CNN.

Under California state law, inmates can be denied the chance to reapply for parole for up to 15 years. Another rejection after Wednesday's hearing makes Manson eligible again at 92, the Associated Press reported.

Roberts, whose mother put him up for adoption shortly after he was born, tried twice to confirm his true identity with DNA tests. But the results revealed that Manson's samples were contaminated. The New York Post reported that even Roberts' mother admits her son bears a striking resemblance to the incarcerated murderer.

"I didn't want to believe it," Roberts told the paper. "I was frightened and angry. I'm a peaceful person -- trapped in the face of a monster."

Manson is currently behind bars in Corcoran State Prison in Central California. Wednesday marked his 12th parole hearing -- he was denied and did not attend.

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this article listed Roberts' age as 41. He is 44. The article also described Charles Manson as a serial killer when actually he orchestrated a murder spree carried out by his followers in August 1969. We regret the error.

Friday, April 06, 2012

He was busy at an ATWA meeting

Charles Manson may not attend parole hearing, but lawyer will

Charles Manson

Next week convicted killer Charles Manson is set for his 12th chance before the parole board, but so far the notorious inmate informed Corcoran State Prison officials that he is not planning to attend.

Corcoran State Prison spokeswoman Theresa Cisneros said so far Manson has said that he will not be showing up for his parole hearing but as is allowed he could have a last-minute change of heart. An attorney for Manson, however, is expected to attend, Cisneros said.

It could be his final chance at freedom as the state board under Marsy's Law can now deny parole for up to 15 years. Manson is now 77.

Manson refused to participate in his last parole hearing, in 2007, describing himself as a "prisoner of the political system." He also declined to participate in any psychological evaluations that were part of that process.

He and other members of his so-called family were convicted of killing actress Sharon Tate and six other people during a bloody rampage in the Los Angeles area during two August nights in 1969. He is housed in a special unit for inmates felt to be endangered by other inmates separated from the general prison population.

Twice in the last few years, guards at Corcoran State Prison said they found phones in the notorious killer's possession. Manson called people in California, New Jersey and Florida with an LG flip phone found under his prison bunk in March 2009, The Times reported in 2011. A second cellphone was found a year later. Thirty days were added to his sentence for the first offense, officials said.

Earlier, a homemade weapon was found in his possession.

Despite the prospect that Manson will be absent, the Los Angeles County District Attorney's office said it would vigorously oppose Manson's release. "We consistently [opposed parole] and will continue to do so," spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons said.

A new photo released by the California prison system shows Manson with long, gray hair and a beard. It was released at the request of CNN.

PHOTOS: The Manson murders

In 2007 at his last parole hearing, the board concluded that Manson "continues to pose an unreasonable danger to others and may still bring harm to anyone he would come in contact with."

"Prosecutors said that Manson and his followers were trying to incite a race war that he believed was prophesied in the Beatles song "Helter Skelter."

Tate, the wife of director Roman Polanski, was 8½ months pregnant when she was killed at the couple's hilltop home in Benedict Canyon on Aug. 9, 1969.

Polanski was out of the country working on a film. Besides Tate, four others were stabbed and shot to death, including Jay Sebring, 35; Voytek Frykowski, 32; Abigail Folger, 25, a coffee heiress; and Steven Parent, 18, a friend of Tate's caretaker. The word "Pig" was written on the front door in blood.

The next night, Manson rode along with his cohorts to the Los Feliz home of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, then left three of them to commit the murders. "Death to pigs" was written on a wall, and "Healter Skelter," which was misspelled, was written on the refrigerator door.

Manson was also convicted of the earlier murder of musician Gary Hinman in his Topanga Canyon home, and the slaying of former stuntman Donald "Shorty" Shea at the Spahn movie ranch in Chatsworth, where Manson had his commune.

Manson initially was sentenced to death. A 1972 ruling by the California Supreme Court found the state's death penalty law at the time unconstitutional and his death sentence was changed in 1977 to life in prison with the possibility of parole.

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-- Richard Winton

Photos, from top: Charles Manson in a recent photo; Manson in a 1968 booking photo, bottom left; and at Corcoran State Prison in 2009. Credits: California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation via KTLA News; Ventura County Sheriff’s Department; Department of Corrections.

Thursday, April 05, 2012

Let's See the Frenchman!

New photos of Charles Manson released

CHARLES MANSON

April 04, 2012|By Michael Cary, CNN
New photos of Charles Manson were taken in June 2011 because his appearance had changed, officials say.

The latest photos of notorious killer Charles Manson have been released by the California Department of Corrections, one week before his next parole hearing.

At the request of CNN, the department provided two photographs of Manson taken in June at the state prison in Corcoran, California. They show Manson, 77, with long, flowing gray hair, long beard and mustache.

Photos are taken of prisoners when they are transferred to other prisons or medical facilities or, in the case of Manson, when an inmate's appearance changes.


"He looks a lot different," department of corrections spokeswoman Terry Thornton said.

The last prison photo of Manson was released three years ago and showed Manson with the top of his head shaved. One distinguishing mark remains in the recent photos, a swastika tattoo on Manson's forehead.

A parole hearing is scheduled April 11 for Manson, who was initially sentenced to death for the 1969 slayings of actress Sharon Tate and six others by a group of his followers as part of what prosecutors said was an attempt to incite a race war. His death sentence was changed to life in prison after California's death penalty was overturned for a period during the 1970s.

Manson may choose not to attend the hearing. The last time he appeared at his parole hearing was 15 years ago. He has been denied parole 11 times.

Manson has not been a model inmate. A prosecutor who handled Manson's parole hearings told CNN in 2009 that Manson had a "laundry list of violations in prison."

In the past five years, Manson was punished for threatening a peace officer and for possession of a weapon, the latter happening in October when Manson was found with a sharpened pen, Thornton said.

Manson received notoriety when he was found to be in possession of a contraband cell phone ? twice ? the latest in January 2011. That incident is still under investigation. Prison officials said they tracked phone numbers in California, Oregon and Maine.

Saturday, March 31, 2012

Girl Who Stirred the Cream Cheese Pot




But this Living Example of Human Failure Robin Olsen didn't stop with rampant homophobia, she didn't stop with lies about the family on the eve of a burial. It was important to her that Statman personally knew how much she hated her. Because Robin Olsen "matters" godddammit just ask her. She matters. Her marriage isn't an empty dry husk like her vajayjay. Her life is not a waste of sperm. SHE MATTERS.

After all as she wrote Col Tate I WAS PATTI'S BEST FRIEND I REALLY WAS NOT JUST FOR MINUTE BUT FOR YEARS AND YEARS SHE WANTED ME TO HAVE THE KIDS NOT SOME UNSEEMLY DYKE SO I COULD BRING THEM UP TO BE COOL LIKE ME AND LOVE EVERYONE EXCEPT HOMOS.

I have a ton of this shit but I might be done. This is a sick, evil woman who should be shunned by mankind. I feel super unwell even reading it. At least is Orca's case her big famous sister was in fact murdered. She did in fact get herself disowned by the family. She has logical explanations for her mental illness that I can follow. Robin is just a demon, IMO .

Saturday, March 24, 2012

The Girl Who Played With Feces






So we want more evidence of the sickness of Robin Olsen?
One year after the death of his daughter Patti, Paul Tate receives this deranged hard to follow letter from Robin.

It basically says two things-
"I was Patti's bff, her bestie, her #1, I swear!!!!"

"An evil lesbian has tried to steal your grandchildren."

The level of sheer homophobia in this is so pathetic. These need to be shared with people that employ Olsen, if anyone is dumb enough. They need to see just how withered her soul is.

Oh yeah, Col Tate threw this out.

Saturday, March 17, 2012

The Girl with the Twisted Tattoo






Robin Olsen, a pathetic human being in my opinion, is determined to attack the beautiful book RESTLESS SOULS because she fears it will undermine the book about her imaginary friend Patti Tate that she will never write.

In so doing she has leveled charges against the book that are provably false, and gone to Hometown Buffet to rile up Orca Tate about the book, leading to more pointless drivel.

I'll address whatever bullshit I feel like when I feel like it because that is how he Col Rolls!

**** Robin/ Orca sound off about Patti being buried in the Tate plot. They make it sound like some sort of Lesbian Bake Off that allowed Patti to be buried next to her mom and sister. Actually Alisa did the only thing that mattered- she got Roman's permission since he had bought the damn plot for wife and son. She did,in fact, Orca, pretend to be a member of the Tate Family since homophobic laws back then would have prevented her from overseeing burial of her partner.

So there we go, one moronically false comment debunked. I've posted the original burial forms and Polanski's letter.

Trust nothing that these two losers say.

Saturday, March 10, 2012

Fighting Cretins with Soy Sauce













I was working on two pointed posts for you all

One was about Winifred Chapman. In the brilliant new book Restless Souls I learned she had been with Sharon and Roman before Cielo. It got me thinking how terrible that morning must have been for her.

The second was a work of art called "The Ballad of NotSharon", about a member of the Tate Family who wanted attention that went to her much more beautiful sister.

Then Robin Olsen, maybe acting on behalf of Debra Tate (maybe not, I had heard that Debra had wised up to Robin's craziness) started posting releases on the bullshit website that only her dogs read.

This is gonna take all weekend, fixing her lies and bullshit. Shit and I had a Mani/Pedi all set.

But for now, while you try to wade through this, use logic

-Debra Tate was disowned by her Family
-Patti Tate's legal wishes were for her children to be raised by Alisa Statman, NOT her own sister.
- Gruff Paul Tate was happy for his grandchildren to be raised by Alisa Statman
- Paul Tate didn't want his daughter to get any family items so he sold the Family home to ALisa Statman.
- Patti's own daughter is stating that she doesn't know her aunt AT ALL.

Use logic. This is insanity from Olsen with attention seeking from Debra. Nothing more. The book remains amazingly moving.

Robin and friends (if any)- You have declared war. That's fine. Nelson did that and he was ruined and died alone.

Here's what's next for Robin /Deb- if you don't know what I mean dear readers, they do-

-- The full report made by Debra and Robin to Paul to try to get Alisa removed from the Family. A more hateful work of homophobia have I never seen. It is subhuman. Both ladies are scum.
-- The permission from Roman Polanski TO Alisa Statman allowing Patti's Burial at Holy Cross
--The history of Robin Olsen's stalking of Paul Tate and attempts to attack ALisa.
-- News of pending litigation to remove Debra's false filings claiming ANY ownership of her sister, along with research into possible criminal allegations
--Revelation that Paul Tate wanted Statman to speak in his place at the Parole Hearings- NOT his daughter.

It's all coming Robin /Deb. You had to attack a very good book that really did honor your family because they refused to force you into it somehow. Have fun with your lifelong "trough" pass to Hometown Buffet. We are gonna fill you not with buttermilk but with truth. We will answer your "lie detector test" questions and present a bunch of questions we have for you to answer.

Ready. Set. Here we come Orca.



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Vera Dreiser is Robin Olsen. Robin Olsen is a cunt. A liar. Psycho. A filthmonger. And she makes bad sandwiches. Now the Bible says something about Cunts- I am not sure what. Over here , cunts may still post but under their real names. So Vera may either use the handle Robin Olsen, or just plain Cunt. Anything posted under Vera Dreiser will be deleted or ignored. I am asking the support of the evilliz people, which has turned into a fine place to go, and I know I have Cats' support. The inbreds at Lynyrd Skynyrd are too inebriated to follow this shit anyway.

Act unconcerned Robin Olsen, your shit has real world consequences.