WHAT DO WE REALLY KNOW ABOUT THE FAMILY AND 10050?
1- Charlie did come visiting before the Tates moved in.
2- Charlie did come at least once AFTER the Tates moved in. Hatomi the photographer confirms this.
3- Bug and Watkins both claim that Charlie knew that Melcher and Bergen had moved out... but I don't trust anything either of them say.
4- Watson NOW says Charlie was up there the day before the killings. I don't believe this.
5- Rudi Altobelli, a show business agent owned the house. For all you homophobes out there who jumped up my ass when I supposedly outed Parent, Altobelli was and is as gay as gay can be. It doesn't matter, except when examining Garrettson and Parent's reasons for being at the house.
6- Sharon was not supposed to be staying there the night she was killed. Her car was in the shop and not in the driveway that night.
7- The girls did visit and swim in the pool back when Terry lived there.
8- I believe Charlie did visit later that night AFTER the murder with Bruce and Clem and Nancy.
9- If the Family DID have ties to Voytek it is a bit too coincidental for my liking that he just happened to be staying at that house.
10- IF (and a big IF) Charlie did tell Tex to kill everyone up there, I find it impossible to believe they MISSED the caretaker.
Here is what I am missing and if I can find this then every piece of the jigsaw snaps into place... what is the connection between VOYTEK and MELCHER?
There is NO DOUBT in my mind that Charlie believed Terry still lived there. Think about it? He had visited this amazing house (the Col went a dozen times before the tear down)- do you think Terry commented to the wannabe musician "I am just renting?" Even if there were different "pigs" there when he visited, why would he think Terry did NOT own it? And if one of those pigs was a drug dealer who had wronged him or a member of the Family..... kaboom, TLB starts.
But I must admit- though I do believe there is a connection I have not found it.
I just don't believe in coincidences... why THAT house? Sharon was NOT the target (indeed, they probably now wish she was never there, since her death insures their eternal infamy). The fact that it was at a house that they had all been to before.... no, there is a link. There has to be.
351 comments:
1 – 200 of 351 Newer› Newest»The Col' said, "I believe Charlie did visit later that night AFTER the murder with Bruce and Clem and Nancy."
Please tell us Col. Why do you believe this?
Charlie did go to the house after the murders..but Nancy was the not the girl who went.
Skyhook said...
60skid said: "Charlie did go to the house after the murders..but Nancy was the not the girl who went."
Ok... but how do you know this?
I was going to ask the same question lol
Skyhook said...
60skid said: "Charlie did go to the house after the murders..but Nancy was the not the girl who went."
Ok... but how do you know this?
I was going to ask the same question lol
I do not want to sound like Savage here. But I
I promiced not to tell how I know this. I should have never said anything. I am sorry I did.
It's ok 60skid...
I never believed Nancy was there anyway
=)
I think the missing puzzle piece is who did Manson, Watson, and Polanski have in common as a friend?
Altobelli?
John Phillips?
You are forgetting Michele Phllips who hang at the ranch and dated both Roman and Melcher and was married to John
"And who was it that made the phone call from the Polanski residence to the Ranch the morning of the murders?"
Oh no! That evil wench Linda Kasabian again!!
CreequeAlley said...
It's highly unlikely that a phone call was made from the Tate residence to the ranch, especially on the night/morning of the murders. The police would've checked the telephone records for sure, and had that information early on.
7:49 AM
A call was placed from Spahn ranch to Cielo drive on the morning of August 8th.
I have a copy of the police/investigation reports that confirm it.
CreequeAlley said...
Not to say the police didn't botch the investigation. They had one of the murder weapons in custody fairly early, when that kid found the Buntline on the embankment, but failed to make the connection for a long time. It took a TV news crew to find the discarded clothes.
7:52 AM
You're going mostly by Bugliosi's book Helter Skelter. Not everything pertaining to the case was written in there. In fact, he left quite a bit out.....
CreequeAlley said...
Heaven said:
Yes there was.. I have a copy of the police reports that say one was placed.
Placed when exactly?
Supposedly, Tex clipped the telephone wires before the murders took place. Unless he clipped the wrong wires, or didn't clip them at all, or there was a second telephone number extension...
Or, a call was placed from the guest house.... hmmm....
8:07 AM
Call was placed in the morning hours of August 8th 1969. The murders didn't start until almost midnight....
Tex hadn't cut the wires the morning of the murders.
No, the call was placed from Spahn to Cielo....
catscradle77 said...
Thank you Heaven-and it was the morning of the murders-before the phone lines were cut...
8:10 AM
Yuppers.....
=)
I believe the call was placed between 10AM and 11AM.. Just about the time ole Manson was arriving back from his little trip....
I'll always believe it was Manson calling Voyteck...
I could be wrong, but it's the only thing that makes sense...
Also, there was talk of a white van parked outside Cielo for several days.. Neighbors reported dune buggies driving up and down the road...
Wonder why Bugliosi never put that in his book either.
Heaven said...
CreequeAlley said...
OK, a call was placed from Spahn to Cielo on the morning of the 8th.
Why in the world didn't the police follow up on that piece of info?
Not THAT is a damn good question. The police completely screwed this case up from the moment they arrived on the scene...
They had a bloody thumbprint belonging to Tex on the botton of the main gate. So what do they do, they frigging press it, forever ruining the print.
The police did not follow thru ..because it did not fit in to The Helter Skelter fairy tail.
Plus like Cat said Abby Folger dad paid a lot to shut up people.
CreequeAlley said...
OK, a call was placed from Spahn to Cielo on the morning of the 8th.
Why in the world didn't the police follow up on that piece of info?
Now THAT is a damn good question. The police completely screwed this case up from the moment they arrived on the scene...
They had a bloody thumbprint belonging to Tex on the botton of the main gate. So what do they do, they frigging press it, forever ruining the print.
60skid said
The police did not follow thru ..because it did not fit in to The Helter Skelter fairy tail.
Plus like Cat said Abby Folger dad paid a lot to shut up people.
It doesn't surprise me...
I'm sure a few people were paid to shut up...
Look what the police did with the elusive little black book belonging to Leno... They made it completely disappear....
Heaven,
It doesn't surprise me...
I'm sure a few people were paid to shut up...
Look what the police did with the elusive little black book belonging to Leno... They made it completely disappear....
Yes they did plus The Bug lies in his book about Sharons Dog. I always wonder about the 2 dogs in that house the night of the murders. Where is their paw prints ?
Sharon had only been home from Europe for two weeks and during that time, things were pretty quiet around Cielo...
Her family came and went and she entertained small groups of friends...
Any trouble that went on happened before she had come home...
I think the issue you are referring too, happened in July...
Jay threw a business party at Cielo (with permission of Roman and Sharon).... Some drunks crashed the party and Voyteck threw them out... They were pretty pissed off and said something coming back to kill him...
Whoever they were, they were ruled out of the murders. The police found them, questioned them and that was the end of it....
The killers weren't there with the intention to buy dope. They were there with the intention to kill, period... I believe it was all because of a drug burn involving Voyteck and Manson....
There was all kinds of dope found still on the property after the murders. Jay Sebring has 3 grams of Cocaine in his car.... Betcha that was worth a pretty penny in 1969...
Salem said...
Wonder why Bugliosi never put that in his book either.
he wove a Horror story heaven.
To be famous.well infamous in my book!
It's too bad too.. Maybe if Bugliosi had actually investigated the "true" reasons, the story would make much better sense. And who knows, maybe bigger names would be sharing the cells with these people....
What kind of information would Peter Folger have paid to keep secret? That his daughter was addicted to drugs? Lots of people were using drugs in the late 1960s. I am just starting to find out how much information Bugliosi kept out of Helter Skelter but what was so bad about Abigail Folger that people had to be bought off?
RichSpeck said...
Heaven said,
"There was all kinds of dope found still on the property after the murders. Jay Sebring has 3 grams of Cocaine in his car.... Betcha that was worth a pretty penny in 1969... "
Not that much as I remember. A gram of coke was maybe fifty bucks?
Whatever, it was definately not a pretty penny. The amount of drugs and their worth at Cielo was minimal. Strictly user, not dealer quantities.
If Voyteck was holding a substantial dealing amount of dope it wasn't at Cielo.
Maybe the stash was up the road at Sebring's house and cleaned by Steve (the cleaner) McQueen.
Well, I was only 3 in 1969 so I hadn't developed my coke habit yet LOL
When I was a teenager in the mid to late 80's, an 8-ball (3.5 grams) was over $2000.00
So thats why I assumed it was expensive in 1969...
=)
RichSpeck said...
Heaven said,
"So thats why I assumed it was expensive in 1969...
=) "
From your reading or knowledge do you know anything that would suggest a dealer amount of drugs found at Cielo? That is the point not the cost.
I've always read only small amounts were found.
It really depends on how much you personally consider small. I know that by today's standards, 3 grams of Coke would be quite a find..
I know that they found 6.9 grams of Marijuana in the Tate living room, which is also a pretty good amount for personal use. Most dealers sell it by the gram, so you could make 6 sales out of it...
30 Grams of hash was found, that's quite a bit.. You could definitely deal that out...
It just kinda surprises me that the killers didn't take this decent amount of free dope laying around...
Even by today's standards, all that would be worth taking.... Even just for personal use...
It really wouldn't be dealer worthy, but most definitely, it would get most of the family high for a few days.. The 3 grams of Coke wouldn't go far between all of them though....
But 6.9 grams of grass and 30 grams of hash would have it's personal value....
Oh, you know what I'm doing wrong? I'm forgetting that we used to by our weed in ounces, not grams...
You're right, 6.9 grams wouldn't be much at all..
It's been so long since I've bought weed, I no longer know the going rate. I do know that one thing hasn't changed, the price of any drug depends on how lucrative the area is...
If there's not a lot of busts, then it's plentiful, the cost stays down.. But if busts are ramped and the supply is limited, the price goes way up...
But I can honestly say that in my drugging days, if I had been there at the Tate house, I would have taken the drugs...
Even if they were just for my own personal use, I would have snagged them...
I can understand them not taking the Coke, that was out in Sebrings car... But it just seems odd that they only left with $70.00..
I dunno, maybe it's just me....
Ah yes, flashback, 1985... We used to call a gram of weed a "dimebag" because it only cost ten bucks...
Dealers here stopped selling dimebags and only started selling by the ounce....
No, you're right. I wouldn't go looking for it during all the chaos...
But if I saw it sitting there on my way out, I would have taken it....
But, I guess the killers probably just wanted to get outta Dodge... With all the shots and screams, I'm sure they wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible...
No doubt!!
=)
Savage
BE Savage and have some pride in your posts no matter how bizarre or lame they might be
STOP DELETING YOUR POSTS- either have the sac to stand behind your shit or don't post them.
I can imagine that her job as a social worker might be a reason for her daily visits to a shrink. You're confronted with a lot of misery in such a job, I imagine.
Well I'm basing my assumption on my niece's experiences, who works as a nurse in the ER. She and the others in her team regularly get trauma counseling because of the stuff they have to deal with.
Of course what she deals with is worse than what you see as a social worker but hey, if you're vulnerable to other's people's misery - why not?
But you probably already gave the right answer: Abby was rich so she had plenty of time and money to get her head examined. And isn't it tres chique in Hollywood to be able to throw in 'my shrink says...' in a conversation? ;)
No disrepsect, people, but it's time to pony up some proof about what we say we "know"
Col: where has Tex said he now belives CM was at Cielo the day before the murders?
Heaven: chapter and verse, please, about that telephone call from Spahn to Cielo...is the report online? If not, can you scan it in...at least quote what it says, who wrote it, when it's dated, etc....?
Me: somebody help me here, but didn't Tex admit that he thought Steve Parent was the caretaker and that is why the guesthouse was only given a cursory look?
Pristash said...
No disrepsect, people, but it's time to pony up some proof about what we say we "know"
Col: where has Tex said he now belives CM was at Cielo the day before the murders?
Heaven: chapter and verse, please, about that telephone call from Spahn to Cielo...is the report online? If not, can you scan it in...at least quote what it says, who wrote it, when it's dated, etc....?
The call is documented in many books.. You're just going to have to pick them up and start reading...
The report is not online. It was from the investigation reports taken from the police....
As for Tex, it's on his website.
Everything is documented somewhere, you just have to find it...
Yes, it is on Tex's website, however I think he may be confused and was thinking of the March incidents with Altobelli and the photographer...
As for the other thing, yes I have read about the phone call, but have yet to see any concrete proof, so that's like believing the Cary Grant story in GoRightly or lots of the other stuff in Sanders book...
See, there is plenty of objective evidence that points to someone disturbing the crime scene at Tate later that night...so if not Manson, then who? But the phone call thing from Spahn...unless that can be DOCUMENTED, then it's just another urban legend...Believe me, the police can, do and indeed did screw up this investigation, but the phone call thing would have been just too basic not to have been discovered and followed up on almost immediately.
It is documented. Go buy some of the police investigative reports. It's all right there....
I have it and have read it many times...
As for it being followed up on, I have no idea... The report doesn't state one way or another.
The police got the Spahn Ranch phone recods and made two notations, one call being placed to Cielo the morning of the murders and another called placed to Dennis Wilsons' private line, on September 22 1969...
Wilson had the number disconnected the next day...
The phone records exist, they just didn't make into any book..... yet
=)
I think that a lot of things disappeared once the killers were captured.
A little black book disappeared like a fart in the wind...
Something like phone records could easily be tossed aside and forgotten about.
Bugliosi never used it in the trial, so who needed to hang on to it?
Ok, why does Mark Turner have the Wilson phone call from Spahn that Heaven alluded to listed in his timeline, but not the one the day before the murders?
Who would have called Wilson that late in September? Who was left at Spahn, most everybody else was out at Barker by then?
"Ok, why does Mark Turner have the Wilson phone call from Spahn that Heaven alluded to listed in his timeline, but not the one the day before the murders?"
I dunno, maybe he's never seen the documentation.
"Who would have called Wilson that late in September? Who was left at Spahn, most everybody else was out at Barker by then?"
Could have been anyone, probably Manson himself...
=)
The right people are behind bars, with or without a phone call being in any of the books....
What I'd like to see written down somewhere is this fairytale about Voyteck raping Linda.. To me, THAT would be a big deal....
=)
Skyhook said...
heaven said "Everything is documented somewhere, you just have to find it..."
Where is it reliably documented that Manson and others returned to the Cielo crime scene later that night?
1:03 PM
Depends on what you believe to be reliable..
But it's documented in Manson's book In His Own Words.. Page 207, second paragraph....
=)
I know who the author is...
Like I said, it depends on who each person feels is "reliable"..
Manson said he went back and left the glasses as a false clue.. I've always believed he went back anyway...
I think there's more than enough evidence to suggest he did. Simply cause Bugliosi didn't follow thru on it, doesn't mean it didn't happen....
=)
There are other books that discuss it...
Sharon Tate And The Manson Murders
Shadow Over Santa Suzana
My Life With Charles Manson
The Family
It's just a matter of finding out which version fits what sounds right to each person...
Tex has also confirmed that Manson went back... It really wasn't a secret.
Stephanie testified that Manson left after Tex and the girls came back and didn't return until after sunrise..
Paul Watkins testified that he was asked to go, but declined...
Cielo Drive neighbors reported hearing loud arguing just before dawn....
Lots of things to suggest he did...
=)
Cats,
I hear ya.. No one can follow Manson's rambling without an interrupter lol
=)
ya gotta cut Sandy off at some point otherwise she just jumps from topic to topic with frightening rapidity and starts sounding like a paranoid schizophrenic. I think she's crazier than Charlie ever was.
I wonder if Sandy still thinks that John Lennon should have stuck "with his own kind" instead of marrying a Japanese woman. I wonder if she thinks his murder was his fault for being in the music industry. After all, Sandy basically told Patti Tate that it was Sharon's own fault she was murdered because she was in Hollywood and Hollywood is a horrible place.
I wonder if she still wants to "kill the grey people" in order to bring them to "now".
LOL. Forgive me, I'm still (slowly)reading Jess Bravin's Squeaky bio and Sandy just gets better and better.
Cue looney-tunes theme music.
:)
Yeah I keep being tossed around when I try to decide which one's madder: Sandy or Squeakey. Right now I'm inclined to think Sqeakey makes just a wee bit more sense than Sandy. But all may change tomorrow :)
Is that biography any good btw?
I have a question. If it was a drug burn and Sharon was not suppose to be there, why did Susan Atkins (Savage this is not meant for an openning for you to devote this thread to your love.) say that "Sharon was the last to die because she had to watch the others die". I know Susan is not an honest person and can't be trusted, but has anyone ever wondered why Sharon had to die last?
Another thing (No sixties kid not Susan, How did the house keeper get out of the gate? Did she push the button? If so, would it not be true to say that she was the one to ruin Tex's print, not the officer. Trust me, I would have done the same and don't blame her. I just have questions for the wisemen/women here on this blog.
I appreciate your responses.
"Watson’s lying about Manson being at Cielo the day before the murders. It seems logistically impossible. 1st: On August 7th, it is confirmed that Manson was in Oceanside, CA, as he received a citation at 4:15P there. 2nd: Manson was in the 24-hour-a-day company of Stephanie Schram (sp?) from August 4-8th. According to Stephanie’s testimony, they stopped at Spahn on August 6 and left again on August 7th (before Bobby’s arrest) and then did not return to Spahn until the afternoon of August 8th. Stephanie’s testimony seems truthful. So if Manson had gone anywhere near Cielo, I think she would have testified to it."
So couldn't he have stopped by on their way back to Spahn?
It's never been stated that Tex's fingerprint was on the gate, it's just assumed...
Mrs Chapman probably did press it, but she's a housekeep, not a police officer...
Jerry Derosa was in charge of securing and protecting the scene, he should have known better than to press the button.
Whether or not anyone had touched it was irrelivant, it was part of his job to know better.
When questioned as to why he did it, he said
"I had to get out of there"..
"So if Manson had gone anywhere near Cielo, I think she would have testified to it."
She did...
She testified that Manson left their bed (at Spahn) in the middle of the night and didn't return until after sunrise.
Stephanie also testified that she didn't know what time they arrived back at Spahn cause no one ever knew the time of day.... Except Manson of course...
Dr Dodopariti,
Dr Dodopariti, First off I would like to say I am sorry to everyone for fighting and responding back to Savage.
I have made my mind up to stop looking retarded as The Col would say. I will not read or respond back to him at any time. I am very sorry if I upset anyone with my fighting with him.
Reports of arguing at around 4am are in the police reports...but no one called the police at the time, it was after the murders were discovered that people contacted the police and told them what they heard. Hell, even Mrs. Kott didn't call the police when she heard poor SP being shot!
60's Kid, I was just playing with you. You don't need to be sorry, you were not the one out of line.
And here is another thing to make you check your maps....
That Tim Ireland guy who is the chaperone guy at the Westlake School sleep out hears some guy screaming "Oh no, no, no, please don't", without an accent mind you, from thew direction of the north...which is just where the Tate house is located....but when he investigates, Ireland drove southbound on Benedict Canyon Road to Sunset Boulevard, westbound to Beverly Glenn, and northbound back to the Westlake school. The poor guy never even went in the direction that the screams came from....or so it seems...what's up with that?
Also, can't somebody track down ole Linda Kasabian and ask her if VF raped her like Savage claims?
"Heaven said...
It's never been stated that Tex's fingerprint was on the gate, it's just assumed...
Mrs Chapman probably did press it, but she's a housekeep, not a police officer...
Jerry Derosa was in charge of securing and protecting the scene, he should have known better than to press the button.
Whether or not anyone had touched it was irrelivant, it was part of his job to know better."
It's never been stated that his finger print was not on the button to the gate? I have read in several books that there was a print.
I agree with you, it was the officers job to know better. I was just asking about the housekeeper because it has never been mentioned that she pushed the button. I would think that it would make the point mute as far as the police officer pushing it. To me it just seems like another slam for no reason.
What about Sharon being the last to die. Why did Susan "The Thing" say that? Any ideas Heaven?
Pristash, Maybe screams are like singing, the accent is all but lost.
Susan said that it was Manson's favorite trip.. Death brought people to "now"...
Personally, I think they did it just to watch Sharon suffer...
Had Sharon put up the fight the others did, I don't think they would have waited to kill her....
As for Mrs Chapman, she did push the button to get in.. It doesn't say she pushed it the way out, but I think it's safe to assume she did....
Thanks Heaven your a doll. You always have the info.
Thanks babe.. I try lol
I really don't think there was any "reason" why they didn't kill Sharon as quickly as the others.. I think it just worked out that way cause she wasn't causing them any problems. Unlike Voyteck and Abigail...
Sharon probably thought they weren't going to hurt her. What monster kills a pregnant woman?
I can't even begin to imagine what that poor woman went thru.
Oh my God, I know. I think about the torture they put her through and I just want to protect her. I know it's to late, but damn why kill this young beautiful mother to be. That's why the crew of murders should never be released. I don't think there is enough time that would be considered restitution.
I agree with Audio,
I've been 8.5 months pregnant twice and there was no way I could have run anywhere.
Walked quickly, yes. Ran, no....
Dr.Dodopariti said...
Oh my God, I know. I think about the torture they put her through and I just want to protect her. I know it's to late, but damn why kill this young beautiful mother to be. That's why the crew of murders should never be released. I don't think there is enough time that would be considered restitution.
I agree with that ..That is why I do not want them out my self.Today Baby Paul would have got them a another count of murder.How any one can kill children or unborn children is something I do not deal with well.
I believe it was Sharon who asked them to take her with them, give her two weeks to have her baby, then they could kill her.
Patricia claims in recent parole hearings that she wasn't there when Sharon died. She was out checking the guesthouse. When she returned, Sharon was already dead...
I have no idea if that's true or not. They all tell a different version of the events...
pritash,
They say the noise in Benedict Caynon carries different then in a lot of places. So the man went where he thought the screaming was coming from.
"There is a photo of Sharon Tate taken the day she was murdered and it's a side view, where she is holding up her hair and she looks absolutely gorgeous."
Audio, that is my favorite picture of Sharon, she does look gorgeous.
Dr,
Did you know that Mrs Tate died never seeing that picture
Catscradle:
the "grey people" supposedly referred to the citizens of Los Angeles who would pass the girls on the corner of Temple and Broadway going about their daily lives. I'm guessing it's not meant to be a compliment. You see, Sandy Good is living in truth and living free, whereas the rest of us poor slobs are just mindless zombie slaves to the establishment. Sandy is better than us, more enlightened, more in tune with the universe and with "Now".
- rolls eyes - Whatever Sandy. Pretty much the same shit that comes out of any disgruntled 16 year old who is mad at the world, only Sandy never grew out of that phase.
yes, Jess Bravin's book is very good. He doesn't sensationalize, tells it all very straighforward and doesn't dwell on gruesome Helter Skelter hysterics.
Salem,
Yes I realize that Sandra Good has the right to believe that the races shouldn't mix (as per her statement about John Lennon/Yoko Ono and other weird racial overtones to her bizarre philosophies).
I also have the right to believe she is bat-shit crazy.
I never said she wasn't intelligent.
But I do think she's nuts and has some pretty extreme personality and emotional problems.
And I do think she's a disgusting human being for claiming to respect her friends who murdered a pregnant woman out of some ill-conceived political statement (one that didn't even seem to exist in the minds of the killers, but did in Sandy's mind).
I do think she's a disgusting human being for the way she behaved in the Manson documentary, cradling her rifle and not giving a shit about Sharon Tate's baby, and in various interviews and tv appearances.
I do think she's bat-shit crazy for, among other things, all the People's Court of Retribution crap and that Nunness bunk, all of which was a 100% complete and utter failure at affecting change in the world.
I do think she's an idiot for wasting her life on Manson, for giving up her child (although he's probably MUCH better off that he wasn't raised by her), and for never denouncing the murders and for promoting her sunny memories of Spahn Ranch as the one and only truth as if she were privy to everyone and everything that went on there.
I am astounded that there are people who look up to her and respect her. Sure she was committed to her loosely-conceived agenda. Lots of wacky people are committed to lots of things. That doesn't make them worthy of reverence in my book.
Maybe if she wasn't so busy taking drugs and looking down on the rest of the world with her smug arrogant bratty manner she would have made something out of her life.
Good thing Miss "The Whole Country Is Gonna Have To Come To Truth, And That's Not In Your Money" has daddy's trust fund to help with the bills.
"60skid said...
Dr,
Did you know that Mrs Tate died never seeing that picture"
Are you serious? How sad for that poor family.
Dr.
Dr.Dodopariti said...
"60skid said...
Dr,
Did you know that Mrs Tate died never seeing that picture"
Are you serious? How sad for that poor family
Yes the police took the un developed roll of film after the murders.. Some how Bill Nelson got them from a police man Bill was selling them I believe.
Monk, good post.
60's Kid, I thought Doris Tate was tight with Nelson. If he had the pictures, why did he not share them with her. He did seem like a self serving bastard, so I think I answered my own question.
You got my post earlier about just teasing you, right? It's all in fun, and mostly pokes at Savage.
Dr,
You got my post earlier about just teasing you, right? It's all in fun, and mostly pokes at Savage
Yes but I been thinking I look retarded fighting with him. It is just time to end it
60skid
Doris did see those pictures...
Bill, being the great guy he was, showed them to her....
=)
Ya know, I gutta say that people so concerned about polluting the planet left Spahn, Myers and Barker ranch looking like a bunch of landfills...
Heaven
60skid
Doris did see those pictures...
Bill, being the great guy he was, showed them to her....
Oh really I have read she did not get to see them. But you would have thought the police would have returned them to her.
I always heard that Lisa turned the pictures over to Patti ..I could be wrong.
Yup, she did.. It was later in her life though...
Heaven
I sure your right
Salem,
My intention was never to make this personal between you and I. I have nothing against you. I like your posts. But I still believe Sandy is loony-tunes.
There are a lot of people who are committed to doing good works in the world; cleaning up the environment, helping the less fortunate, etc. Most of them weren't also running around in the early 70's cheering their friends on for murdering a pregnant woman. They weren't carving swastikas in their foreheads and bragging about how "snitches" will be taken care of.
And then her little endorsement in 1994: "I'll take responsibility for ALL the murders (committed by family members)."
I can certainly relate to a lot of the things Sandra Good complains about in those quotes you posted (which I've read before). There are a lot of injustices in the world. Not exactly a new or brilliant insight. Her way of addressing said injustices has been, back in those days all the way through the latest I've read of her, quite laughable.
Like I've said before, the college kid strolling the corner of my neighborhood taking donations for environmental organizations has done more to clean up the world than Sandra Good's ineffectual little mixed-up revolutionary queen routine.
Again, this is not personal about you. These are my feelings about Sandra Good.
Heaven said...
"Ya know, I gutta say that people so concerned about polluting the planet left Spahn, Myers and Barker ranch looking like a bunch of landfills..."
LOL Heaven. Actually DOING something about pollution would have involved taking a break from the drugs and sex and the indulgences in the "I hate Mommy and Daddy" routine.
Too much to ask of that bunch.
:)
Yeah, like Susan_Sucks said, I'm SOOOO jealous of a 57 year old slut. A muff diver that needs a hearing aid just to hear the moaning...
Get lost loser. As my teenager daughter would say "no one likes you"..
Don't you have some threatening email to send?
Mirror
Savage RDDB-DA said...
Heaven,
You're so jealous of Susan that it just tears you apart from within ..... and ya know what .... I'M LOVING EVERY MINUTE OF IT !!!!!
LOL Monk,
It's just a little hypocritical to me... They send out death threats to polluters, but look how they left Barker ranch. Their garbage is still up there....
It's great to have a cause you believe in and I fully respect their beliefs, but geez.. Practice what you preach lol
Savage,
The Colonel has created a space where we can come and feel free to express ourselves about the TLB case and ask questions and share our knowledge.
You piss all over the blog when you make it your personal playground for wanking off.
If we wanted that kind of environment, we'd just go to some shit Yahoo chat room or something.
Heaven, I am not fighting with The Thing 2 I will copy and do the mirror
Monk,
Savage took my advice and created himself an "I-Love-Susan" blog all his own. But he's been deleting all the posts that the opposers make.. And I'm told, he changed the settings so no one can post LOL
I warned him that he'd be very lonely in his own group, and see, he's back to join us lol
Heaven, I am not fighting with The Thing 2 I will copy and do the mirror
5:32 PM
I don't care if you fight with him... Like my kids say (again) "He started it" lol
If he didn't love us he wouldn't keep running back here to us..
Hopefully the Col will just block his IP and we can be rid of him for good....
Boy does he delete fast you know I think if you say it then be a person and stand behind it and stop deleteing
I've been told he's changed the settings so only "team members" can post..
Funny huh? He can come over here and cause as much grief and havoc as he feels like, but he won't tolerate it on his blog...
Oh 60skid.. Click on my name.. I finally did something with my blog..
=)
I've been told he's changed the settings so only "team members" can post..
Funny huh? He can come over here and cause as much grief and havoc as he feels like, but he won't tolerate it on his blog...
Who are the team members.. his self
LOL
Yeah, him and his 50 other ID's lol
=)
heaven
I love your blog Sharon,Selene and Dorothy all beautiful women who died way to young.
Sharon looks so beautiful even almost 9 months pregnant. Of course we can thank Tex and The Thing for that.
The Col said to copy Savages posts and write Mirror ..So everyone can read them before he deletes .So if he starts posting Copy and paste and write mirror ..and post.
Thank you....
Those are my 3 favorite women who are no longer with us...
It's amazing how much they all had in common...
All young, each only in their early 20's..
Each murdered before their career had a chance to take off...
Both Selena and Dorothy were killed by people they trusted....
Sharon and Dorothy were both killed in August...
Small things, but interesting....
Someday I hope I can go visit each of their graves....
Audio,
I'm not into the Beatles either, if it's any constellation to ya lol
I'm a Pink Floyd fan....
=)
Audio
You forget to remind Savage his favorite Beatle George Harrison lost his women Patti ..to Eric Clapton ...Layla you get me on my knees
Heaven, I am planting on visiting Sharon's grave this summer when I visit a cousin in La
What a coincidence, I hear Savage is on his knees too...
Sucky sucky $15 dolla
=)
heaven
What a coincidence, I hear Savage is on his knees too...
Sucky sucky $15 dolla
I can hear it my self but at least I got him post so people can read what he said to you
He's dreamin if he thinks that anyone in their right mind would be jealous of Susan...
Unlike her, I'm free.. I'm not locked up like the caged animal she is...
I don't need the state to provide my living essentials for me. I have a family and can celebrate holidays with them..
If anything, she's jealous of us lol
She'll be wearing Depends soon.
ATTENTION SAVAGES LATEST DELETED POST MIRROR
Mirror
Savage RDDB-DA said...
Heaven,
You're so jealous of Susan that it just tears you apart from within ..... and ya know what .... I'M LOVING EVERY MINUTE OF IT !!!!!
I tried to be a lady and leave this man alone.I even said I was sorry to everyone for fighting with him
Its very unfair to everyone ..trying to post about the topic .and this man can not stop for nothing.
How dare you be a lady! Don't you know that makes you emotional and irrational? LOL
=)
*snipe* 200!!
Sorry, can't help myself lol
How dare you be a lady! Don't you know that makes you emotional and irrational? LOL
Sorry I forget also with PMS
LOL
=)
Heaven ,
Please do not beat me with the Newspaper ok LOL
LOL
Good one!
I would pay to see Savage beating The Thing with a Newspaper when he gets the green stuff from her LOL
Ahh, ta hell with both of them. They deserve each other....
So where were we before idiot stick came back after X'ing himself from this blog?
Was Sandra Good the last topic?
I forget
Savage, man to man, either stand by your words (they are all any of us really have, they should mean something) or stop posting. Your behavior is irrational and you look bad. Is that really what you want?
Salem ,
You still up Sounds like a good movie idea
Salem said...
"NOT SO MONK
SHES GOT MORE SMARTS THAN YOU!"
LOL, Salem, I doubt that.
Salem,
I hope we can be friends and not take any of this personally, but I do gotta hop onto my soapbox once again to disagree with you there.
I haven't spent a day of my life in jail. Not for credit card fraud, not for threatening corporate executives with death, not for throwing temper tantrums in courtrooms.
I didn't give birth to a child and then give him up so I could sit on a street corner and praise a murderous gang of thugs who butchered a pregnant woman and several others.
I didn't give up my life to follow around some bozo ex-con with a guitar out of some appreciation for his half-baked ideas about spirituality, music, race, and saving the world.
I can say with confidence that I've displayed more "smarts" during my 36 years than Sandra Good ever displayed during her 60+.
:)
I'll add that I'm sooooooooo sure Sandy Good had NOTHING to do with any of the witness harassment during the TLB trial. I'm sure she had NOTHING to do with the harrassment of people like Juan Flynn, I'm sure she had NO preceeding knowledge of the planned LSD overdose of Barbara Hoyt. I'm sure she NEVER hurled thuggish epithets like "PIG" or "SNITCH" at witnesses who were making their way down the hallway towards the courtroom. I'm sure she DIDN'T get a twisted sense of satisfaction out of openly blaming the victims for their own murders on film while caressing her rifle.
If ya believe that she had nothing to do with these thuggish, sadistic tactics, with her buckknife tucked away neatly in her purse, I've got a great deal for ya on a bridge.
Sandy belongs in a loony bin.
Yepyep said...
Sandy belongs in a loony bin.
Hey-I didn't know Sandy was going to the White House...LOL
Sandy no where as loony as The man in the white house I agree
No, she's ten times worse LOL
Yep Yep
No, she's ten times worse LOL
Not in my book
Heaven,
I see some one moved their page to there special Love..Wonder why
LOL what a riot!!
Someone can't play nicely with others lol
=)
Heaven,
LOL what a riot!!
Someone can't play nicely with others lol
For someone so in love to take down ..his blog.. Guess he really does not love her after all
glh
I know nothing about Sandra.My comment was about the man in the white house
It was probably cause he needs to be discreet LOL
=)
Heaven,
It was probably cause he needs to be discreet LOL
Yes he needs to be discreet and with you being so jealous and all
Oh yeah, I know.. My jealousy is so bad, I wish I could be a caged up animal too LOL
=)
Heaven,
Oh yeah, I know.. My jealousy is so bad, I wish I could be a caged up animal too LOL
Yes I know you really want to be a Inbred hillbilly in a cage.
I always heard That Charlie really did not even like her LOL I can see why
Man oh man what a soap! LOL
I agree with you Yup, it's like a bad soap opera lol
Savage can create or delete a million blogs for all I care. He obviously has enough time on his hands to devote to it....
As for Susan, I'll dance a jig of glee when they're taking her out of prison in a body bag. Which is the only way she'll ever be released anyway.
hey Gary, you watched that too? My mouth dropped to the floor during most of Sandra Good's "performance" in that show. Almost everything out of her mouth and every nervous, twitchy, edgy expression on her face was hilarious to me, only she didn't mean for it to be hilarious, she was being serious.
It is really funny to watch her struggle to come up with lame excuses for why the murders occurred and tie them into her personal agenda. Audiences in those stupid talk shows usually come off as incredibly vapid and ignorant, that one was no exception BUT I liked how they simply weren't swallowing her bullshit.
She must have been a hoot back in her Nunness days, traipsing around in that blue cloak and lashing out at the world.
I cannot understand for the life of me why people respect her. Concern for the environment and standing up against establishment injustices is noble, but that doesn't erase the stupid things she did back during the trial and the ensuing years. She behaved like an imbecile.
-p.s. I owe you an email! :)
Monk,
What show was this on? I know I saw it a long time ago, but I'm drawing a blank on which one it was?
I wonder what keeps Sandy so devoted to Manson... Maybe he did fly school busses and bring dead birds back to life (acid will make you believe that kinda stuff), but with all his powers and mystical energys, he still can't disolve prison walls....
Salem said...
"have u ever lived on a commune?"
Salem, lots of people lived on communes back in the 60's. Most of them weren't celebrating their friends for tearing open the body of a pregnant woman who meant them no harm.
"Sandy gave up a life of leasure and high society to live FREE and not in a plastic world."
If she was living so FREE, why did she need Daddy's money? Funny how she shook off the trappings of this "plastic" world but was fine with using her father's plastic cards when the food, drugs, and knives ran out.
"To her, Manson was her life...So she lives in the past!"
See that to me is just SO incredibly SAD.
Salem.
why no comments on this?
One of Charlie's music industry connections, Gregg Jakobson, arranged for Dean to live at 10050 Cielo Drive, after Terry Melcher moved out and Sharon Tate moved in. Various so family members, including some involved with the murders, would go up to the cul-de-sac and use the swimming pool. ??
Yes I have heard this before my self
Do you think Manson or the girls knew Garrertson before the murders
"but I am not sandy,and you dont know how much she loved the people she was with"
I don't care how much she supposedly "loved" them. That doesn't excuse the way she acted. She had tragic taste in friends.
"Dont knock her unless you know her."
Sandy put herself out there in the public eye when the trial went down. She seemed to enjoy the attention she got from the corner vigils and the reporters. They gave her a chance to spout off and vent her anger at the world and embarrass her parents. Squeaky too. In my opinion, they are fair game for being knocked.
I'm just sorry Doris Tate never got them in a room alone with a rolling pin or something.
It's said that the child belongs to Manson, but it's also said he belongs to Joel too.
With all the sex going on at the ranch, without a DNA test, I don't think anyone will know for sure who fathered him.
I know Sandy says she knows the exact moment she conceived. Which is a pretty fantastic thing to do since no one even owned a watch or a calendar..
Most women don't know the exact moment of conception. Especially if it involved more than one sex partner...
All the girls wanted Manson to father their children, doesn't mean he did...
Just my opinion of course....
=)
Is it clean there now cause I'm told it's still a mess...
Old junk cars still sitting there and stuff...
=)
Manson also shared children with two other women, from what I understand, he wants nothing to do with them.
Salem said..
"WAS IT YOU MONK THAT ONCE SAID MY HOUSE LOOKED LIKE GRACELAND?"
No that wasn't me.
"AS SANDY SAYS* THINGS WERE VERY DIFFERENT BACK THEN"
Salem, things weren't THAT different. It was wrong to murder innocent people who meant you no harm then just like it is now. Sandy knew this. Sandy knew better. For her to shrug it off with a "eh, things were different back then" sounds like a cop-out to me.
So, Sandy was never part of any orgies like all the other family members were?
What was she doing while everyone else was screwing each other?
What about Mr Spahn? I've heard she serviced him all the time...
Don't think just cause he was old and blind that he couldn't father children, men well into their 90's can still father babies....
If Manson is the father, great. But I still say without a DNA test, it's not confirmed as a fact.
That's nothing personal against Sandy. I just think maybe it's wishful hoping on her part.
Manson's still alive, why doesn't she have him divvy up some DNA and prove he's the dad...
Just curious...
=)
Salem said...
"BUT BLUE IS HAPPY."
How nice that after practically spitting in the faces of the victims families, Blue is now happy.
Gee I'm just so touched to hear that.
Salem .
Yes I want to hear about Garrettson also
I believe he know Manson and Tex
Too bad Doris didn't know happiness in the years following Sharon's death...
Heaven, like I said, it's too bad Doris never got Sandy and Squeaky alone in a room with a rolling pin. That would have been interesting.
Throw Brenda and Cap in for good measure. Restrain all the girls and muzzle them so Doris doesn't have to listen to their inane blatherings about LOVE and DEATH and how IT'S ALL SOCIETY'S FAULT.
I agree Monk...
Doris suffered a pain and anguish I don't even want to know.
Then to have Sandy say to Patti that Sharon shouldn't have been in Hollywood, was just heartless...
What show was that again Monk. I can't remember now...
Please, Salem, are you kidding me? Yes I've read that passage before. Sandra Good is one of the last people in the world who should be pointing fingers. It's comical coming from her.
Heaven, it was a short-lived talk show called The Bertice Berry Show, aired in 1994 I think. There were a lot of those tacky Maury Povich type shows floating around in the early 90's.
I wanted Patti Tate to jump across the stage and toss Sandy a left hook. Patti's expression lead me to believe she wanted to as well, but she sustained her composure and barely looked at her.
He think's it's his son... There's a difference..
In an orgy, anyone can be the father...
I do agree that Sandy wasn't in the position to care for her child. Prison doesn't have daycare...
=)
The Bertice Berry Show
Thank you Monk.. For the life of me I couldn't remember the name of it... I do remember seeing it though....
=)
Monk, you wouldn't happen to have a copy of that show laying around would you?
I'd love to get a copy...
=)
Thanks Salem....
=)
Salem, re: the clip from the interview you posted...
"So how do you go from a childlike interest in life to murdering
seven people?
The end justifies the means, says Good. In the case of the Manson
Family the end supposedly was to save the world from nuclear war or
environmental destruction. Just as some people think a war to free
Kuwait from Iraq and to secure Mideast oil fields would justify the
lives lost, Good believes that a war against pollution and the
destruction of the Earth is a just war."
This is a perfect example to me of just how breathtakingly stupid these people were on some levels. So let's head up into the Hollywood Hills and murder some people and that will stop pollution and destruction of the earth!
Great plan, kids. Stellar intellect.
But putting that aside for a moment, by most accounts that is Sandy's reality and Sandy's reality alone. No one, not even the killers, seem to back up her assertion that the murders were a part of some larger political statement. That's just Sandy's way of fitting thes hideous acts of murder into her own agenda.
Pretty pathetic of her. No wonder even Bobby thinks she's koo-koo these days.
Found on the web...
Sandra Good is now Sandra Collins to those that don't know....
Check out what I made bold....
"In fact, in conversation today, Collins still seems to idolize Manson.
"The man is wise," Collins told The Bee recently in her first newspaper interview since returning to California in February 1991. "He's deep. He's soul. He knows. He knows what's going on. . . . He knows more than everyone put together what's going on in this country."
At one point in the interview, Collins became agitated about the prison system's refusal to let her visit Manson.
"If I don't get my rights," she said, "you're next."
That echoed the Sandra Good of old.
When Manson was found guilty of the Tate-LaBianca murders, one of the Family members said, "There's a revolution coming, very soon."
And Sandra Good added, "You are next, all of you."
Yet, as angry as Collins can become, she insists she poses no risk to anyone.
She said her "you're next" comment, for instance, simply means that when a person is mistreated - as she believes she and Manson are by not being allowed to see each other - other people, even society as a whole, suffer.
"What you do to one person you do to yourself," she said.
Collins, now 50, lives in an apartment complex in Hanford and spends a lot of time with her companion, George Stimson, who has become something of a Manson follower. The scarred X is still visible on her forehead.
Hanford residents say they see Collins riding her bicycle, tending a garden or visiting the library with Stimson, who reportedly has been visiting Manson.
Collins, slight of build and soft of voice, appeared with Stimson on "The Bertice Berry Show" in February, maintaining Manson's innocence and calling him a good role model for young people.
And while Collins is generally polite and articulate in conversation, there are flashes of a temper that are startling.
On the Berry show, she showed her angry side, saying, "Twenty-five years of this total bullshit, total bullshit," in response to comments by Bugliosi.
Collins won't say how she supports herself. Her former landlord, who didn't know she had rented to a Manson Family member until being shown a newspaper story months later, said Collins told her she was a free-lance writer, but Collins wouldn't comment on that.
Yes, yes, more on Garretson and Morehouse, please!
Also found on the web, same site
Re: Sandra Good
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yikes how creepy to have a family member (still?) living next door
birgittesc
Registered Member
Posts: 19
(3/15/06 4:30 am)
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Well, not anymore. Apparently Sandy is with a man now who managed to talk some sense into her head and she now denouces Manson. It happened about a year ago, around the time she shut down the ATWA website. I'm still trying to figure out just how much truth there is to this story, but most people say it comes from a reliable source.
I dunno, I found that on a message board online....
I just realized, Sandy just turned 62...
I always thought Sandy was Blue....
=)
Oh ok, well, that's where I got it from lol
Sorry Yupyup, I didn't know it was yours...
I just thought the Sandy quotes were kinda funny since she claims to no longer be a threat to anyone...
=)
Ok so Yupyup owns 2violent.com?
Pretty cool!
=)
glh,
since I live in Ohio ..I would like to visit Garrettson ..but they say he is out of it.
But I am sure he will never tell the truth anyway. Like that stupid story about Rosie girl
Salem said...
"OMG YES THEY WERE
i LIVED THOSE TIMES!!!!"
Salem you miss my point. the point is that you can say those times were different, but murder was still murder and it was still wrong, so Sandy's bullshit line about "things were so different back then" sounds like a cop-out to me. Blame it on the 60's. Nonsense. Most hippies and radicals weren't killing.
"SANDY NEVER SAID IT WAS RIGHT."
Salem you apparently have not payed enough attention to the positions Sandy took back in the day. As recently as 1994 Vincent Bugliosi said "I have no evidence that Sandra Good was personally involved in any of these murders" to which Sandy replied "I'll take responsibility for ALL of them."
If that isn't a ringing endorsement, I don't know what is. She has also been quoted back in the 90's as saying she respects and admires the killers for what they did.
In the Manson 1973 documentary, she describes sitting in jail with Mary Bruner the day after the Tate murders and when the two heard the news, Sandy describes Mary as saying "Right on!" and herself as saying "We did it! I guess we did it!" This is all while stroking her gun and weaving around her buckknife.
Cap got up on the stand and told the jury that it didn't bother her in the least that these people were killed, that she in fact wanted to go along and participate but wasn't needed. Cap was Sandy's sister on the street-corner vigil.
Don't insult my intelligence by saying that Sandy never said the murders were ok. Clearly she thought they were and if she had her way there probably would have been more.
Not sure why you need to revise history and paint her as this peace-loving little waif. She was a THUG and that's pretty obvious to almost anyone who does research into the case.
If you have a good relationship with Sandy now, and she is showing you a different side to her, then by all means continue to think of her as you wish, but do not try and tell me that she didn't reveal this very ugly and looney side of herself over the years.
She knows what she's doing when she makes statements like the one's Heaven quoted, statements with double-meanings that could or could not be construed as threats. She knows exactly what she is doing.
At 62, I think it's high time the girl grew up and acknowledged that she was wrong for supporting cold-blooded killers no matter what the circumstances and no matter how much she thought of them as "family".
"sandy wasnt in prison after her son was born, she wanted her family to have the child"
Sandy had to be in prison after her son was born, she went in 1975.. Served 10 years and was out in '85...
Salem said...
"wrong again MONK
she has people that still back here from back in the old days"
Show me one quote in the last 20 years where ANY of the convicted killers claim that they drove to Cielo Drive to stop the vietnam war and to end the pollution.
Until you can provide such quotes, I'll remain steadfast in my assessment that this explanation of the murders is mostly Sandy's fantasy.
"Blue was pregnant with
Manson's son and was afraid the authorities would take her baby since
she didn't have a husband"
Huh??
The 60's were pretty common for unwed mothers. I don't recall them taking babies away simply because the mother was unwed.
Sandra went to prison when her son was 6 years old... Someone had to care for him. Like I said, prison doesn't have daycare....
Why couldn't her family know Manson was the father (assuming he is).. Was she ashamed of screwing a crazed, maniac who enjoyed death and 13 year old girls? lol
Salem said...
"Oh, it's OK to kill a whole bunch of Guatemalans, Panamanians,
Vietnamese, American boys in the desert for oil. That's OK, but don't
kill a MOVIE STAR. Come on."
Salem I dont ever recall saying that it was ok to kill a whole bunch of Guatemalans, Panamanians,
Vietnamese, American boys in the desert for oil.
Yes it's true lots of people are killed every day for all sorts of ugly reasons. None of that makes what Sandy's friends did ok, and for her to use Sharon Tate's bloody corpse and lifeless baby as a platform for her political views is pretty disgusting in my opinion.
She sounds like my three year old niece; "Yeah well, look what THEY did! Don't look at what I did, look what THEY did!"
http://www.charliemanson.com/good-2.htm
Q: In August, 1969, you were still at the ranch when they, Watson,
et. al., went out on the hunt?
A: I was there.
Sandy was sitting in jail with Mary Brunner when Tex and the girls left. The question wasn't if she was there in spirit.
"The kid that did those killings were primarily middle-class people who were raised in similar ways that I was raised and did not like
what was going on in this country. They wanted to stop the war in Vietnam. They wanted to stop the pollution. They wanted to get one of their brothers out of jail who was arrested for something."
How is killing a pregnant woman and her unborn baby going to stop the war in Vietnam?
Yes, Salem, I know when her son was born. But you said she didn't go to jail after her son was born. I said she had to, cause she went in 1975.... That would be after her son was born lol
=)
Salem,
Don't take what we say/think/or feel about Sandra personally. It has nothing to do with you...
Sandra has put herself out there for all to see... Since she has, she leaves herself open to criticism....
It comes with the territory....
=)
Yeah, I know it wasn't RIGHT after... He was 6 when she went in....
=)
Monk,
Leslie blames TV and Vietnam for her involvement in the murders...
They corrupted her mind...
Before anyone screams "That's Not True".. Go read her last parole hearing... That's where she states it....
Correct me if I'm wrong, but televisions do come with an on/off switch... If it offends you, simply turn it off.
The war in Vietnam didn't stop her from being the Homecoming Princess though....
Heaven, she says they warped her mind but I dont think she says she drove to Waverly Drive to stop the war. Or did she? I could be wrong.
I think it's hilarious when they use the tv defense. I'm sure we've all seen the ridiculous interview of Brenda in the Manson doc where she, looking and sounding like a little claymation character, goes off about being raised on Gunsmoke and Have Gun Will Travel and that all they were being shown on television was people being killed, so therefore "We are what you made us." So it's everyone ELSE'S fault that these murders occurred and the girls were so unaffected and uncaring.
I would be so embarrased if I were the modern-day Nancy Pitman, now with grown children, having to face that interview. She was in her 20's! A ten year old could see through that excuse. These girls really seemed stunted in some kind of delayed adolescence, like part of them was literally retarded.
I try to have an open mind and believe me sometimes I look around at this world and think "you know, they had a point. the world is sick and twisted so no wonder we've turned out murderers, creeps, and Manson girls." In some ways maybe society is responsible for the Sandra Goods of the world.
But it still rings of a hollow child's excuse in my book.
:)
"I think it's hilarious when they use the tv defense. I'm sure we've all seen the ridiculous interview of Brenda in the Manson doc where she, looking and sounding like a little claymation character, goes off about being raised on Gunsmoke and Have Gun Will Travel and that all they were being shown on television was people being killed"
Oh yes, I know about that.. I have that documentary....
I grew up on the exact same programs and I'm not a mass murderer...
Tv, music and video games do not make people kill. It's a very lame excuse....
Salem . I am lost here someone is already planing a movie I never heard that
Heaven
You boyfriend Savage has not send you any messeges I know your upset
Salem.
I wrote cm about sharing some things he has sent me over the years and asked him about maybe a movie deal...(About his life)
BUT NOT NOW.........
someone was intrested in doing a movie ?
Salem ,
Salem said...
someone was intrested in doing a movie ?
I had never heard that
Over the years I have heard talk if a Sharon Tate movie
But her family wanted no mention of the murders in it.
I would love to see a movie about her
"Heaven said...
Manson also shared children with two other women, from what I understand, he wants nothing to do with them."
Don't you think that is the most humane thing CM has done? JMO, I think he did the right thing by having nothing to do with his children.
I think I've read the screenplay online somewhere before. It used to be available, I'll try to see if I can find where I once saw it.
I really would hate to see Vincent Gallo play Charles Manson. Gallo would probably do another riff on the Steve Railsback/Jeremy Davies model. It would be refreshing to see something different, the charming Charlie that the girls fell in love with, not the psycho madman he likes people to think he is since the trial.
Dr.Dodopariti said...
"JMO, I think he did the right thing by having nothing to do with his children."
Dodo I'd have to agree with you there. The best thing he could do for his offspring would be to have nothing to do with them.
But first I'd need to know that he did it out of respect for their lives, and not for his own selfish inability to face his life. Afterall, if the children are persecuted for who their father is (which wouldn't be right but you know how people can be), Charlie would only have himself to blame.
Monk,
I really would hate to see Vincent Gallo play Charles Manson. Gallo would probably do another riff on the Steve Railsback/Jeremy Davies model. It would be refreshing to see something different, the charming Charlie that the girls fell in love with, not the psycho madman he likes people to think he is since the trial.
A lot of people think Johnny Depp would do a good job of being the charming Manson
"Salem said...
"Oh, it's OK to kill a whole bunch of Guatemalans, Panamanians,
Vietnamese, American boys in the desert for oil. That's OK, but don't
kill a MOVIE STAR. Come on."
says Sandy."
No offense but, no one is saying any killing is ok.
"Don't you think that is the most humane thing CM has done? JMO, I think he did the right thing by having nothing to do with his children."
I was going to say that very thing lol
Depp can do pretty much anything (well, except Willie Wonka - IMHO one of the few movies he couldn't save, and Depp usually SAVES alot of the movies he's in).
But he might be too pretty to play Manson. Manson wishes he was portrayed by someone like Johnny Depp. :)
Manson? Be involved in making a movie?
That'd be great if it was a fictional tale, cause that's all you'll get outta him...
How's he going to be able to get involved in a movie anyway? He can't stay outta the hole.. lol
=)
Depp would make a good Bobby B...
=)
"agnostic monk said...
Depp can do pretty much anything (well, except Willie Wonka - IMHO one of the few movies he couldn't save, and Depp usually SAVES alot of the movies he's in)."
LOL, I agree with you. I took my boy to see that movie and was very disappointed.
Hey Heaven, What's the "Snipe" deal? I need the 411 on that one. LOL
Heaven , You boyfriends back
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Savage RDDB-DA said...
I've never been much of a fan of Johnny Depp.
Depp as Manson?
Where's my Gong Stick -
(From the old tv game show called the "Gong Show" hosted by Chuck Barris)
5:28 PM
LOL
The *snipe* was something we used to do on an old message board...
We always used to snip the 100th post, 200th post.. etc...
It was like a contest to see who could get it first
I saw 199 and couldn't resist lol
=)
60skid said...
Heaven , You boyfriends back
5:29 PM
Ya know.. I got a really hot computer virus with your name on it lol
Ok then, GAME on!
Dr.Dodopariti said...
Ok then, GAME on!
5:32 PM
WooHoo!! Let the fun begin lol
=)
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