You know what burns my ass? A fire about three and a half feet high.
But seriously folks. Nothing pisses me off more than hypocrites.
In fact, leaving aside the law (hey the government does) that's the main reason why I think Bobby should walk free. Every time I ask he says "I did it, Charlie didn't make me do it, I'm sorry I did it and I hope I get out but I understand what I did may mean I won't.'
Not Tex- "Charlie made me do it it was as if he held the knife but Jesus loves me so let me be."
Not Sadie- "Well I didn't really do anything but how can you understand since I talk to Jesus and he told me I was cool" (screw off Savage- the lady's a nutter from day one)
Not even Sandy - "Charlie didn't make anyone do it (okay we agree) and we didn't do it anyway (uh, no you did)."
But here's my WWF Smackdown for the moment...
Mark Turner just announced at charliemanson .com that "I'm pleased to announce that I've been working with Dennis Rice to setup a website for his prison ministry. It will grow with time, but you can see the beginnings at CLICK HERE. The format will likely change and new material will be added, but we have finally launched."
Now we all know that Mark was not on the side of truth in this case. And I'll go visit this new site in a second.
But here is what I want to say before I and you all go click on it.
If it doesn't explain why Dennis left his children (those are his in the Hendrickson documentary) at the ranch to be used as sexual playthings as I understand they were (children under 10) then screw your false hypocritical Jesus worship Mr. Rice.
And Mr. Turner- if I click on the damn thing and that isn't addressed SHAME on your for raising money for this hypocrite and shame on you for trying to sell his piece of shit false vest.
Okay let's all click together now....
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Now i understand the connection between Dennis Rice and Marc Turner.
That vest has to be the worst looking garment that i've ever seen come out of any scene that was 60's oriented. It's like a bad acid trip :-)
I always thought that Dennis Rice was a late comer to the Manson scene and only joined up "After" Manson and the girls were locked away in the Hall of Justice.
The Hendrickson documentary was filmed while the trials were going on and that's where you see Dennis Rice for the first time.
Susan, a nutter? Not in my book but i do have to admit i'm biased on this one :-)
I wonder what Turner gets in return for his technical assistance in rolling out a website for Dennis, after all, didn't he also have a hand in promoting Debra Tate's website? It sounds like he's playing both sides of the field.
savage mirror
It seems like a simple enough site, but the Jesus thing just doesn't do it for me.
All Jesus all the time would lose its interest real quick.
I'd be curious to hear more of why Dennis Rice decided to go live with the Manson family after having visited Charlie in jail. That's a pretty big change in a man's life.
Savage RDDB-DA said...
Salem,
>THATS ALL CM WAS SAYIN TO THE GIRLS BACK THEN, BE YOUR SELF, GOD CREATED YOU..YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL. <
No truer words were ever spoken.<
See this is what I am talking about regarding folks who quote Manson and then pretend he is so deep and insightful.
These sentiments of Manson's are somehow unique and original to some ears but to me they are no more original or deep than the scribblings of a 15 year-old goth chick in her diary after a fight with her parents.
I've tried to be open-minded when it comes to Charles Manson. When I first started getting interested in the case and reading about it I would frequently stumble over opinions that praised Manson as some kind of wise man with original and revolutionary ideas.
I thought, well maybe there is something to this guy. Maybe I should see what he really has to say and judge for myself.
I have. And he always winds up boring me to tears.
Nothing this "wise man" says hasn't already been said a million times before by dozens of other people. Why does Manson get the credit for being some kind of great thinker?
Methinks the emperor truly has no clothes.
Salem said:
"HE NEVER WANTED TO LEAVE PRIOSN IN 1967...HE DIDNT KNOW HOW TO LIVE IN OUR WORLD."
How true Salem, if they had only listened to him. It could have changed so many lives including his.
Salem said...
"But lets all beware of the BOOGIE MAN!!!!!!!"
Salem, don't forget that not everyone thinks of him as a boogieman. There are those who do not buy into the boogieman image and merely think of him as a loser and conman.
Salem said...
"what a shame MONK.
open your mind.
closed minds will never understand."
Salem, just because I disagree with you does not mean I am close-minded. Does everyone who disagrees with you have a closed-mind? That's a somewhat arrogant mindset to walk around with I'd say.
I never casually dismissed Charles Manson. I really did open my mind and read some of his writings and watched a bunch of his appearances to see what all the fuss was about, to see why some people look up to him and think of him as a wise man who has a lot of insight to bestow on the world.
If I was impressed with him, I would be honest about it. I am not blinded by Vincent Bugliosi's tales or anything else when it comes to Manson. I just do not think he's all that.
He's just not all that interesting to me. He's a clown.
Holding an opinion that differs from yours does not automatically mean that one is closed-minded.
Savage said...
"but as glamourous as Sharon is, if i had to pick between Sharon and a girl like Nancy Pitman ..... I'd go more for Nancy."
Nancy was kind of cute. It's her personality that was butt ugly.
:)
I have a reason for the picture But it is not what you think
Savage
The picture is very pretty and Sharon was a beautiful woman in her own right.
Yes she was... lots of girls my age admired Sharon.
Salem
Are you on here
Well I can not see you liking the movie my self.I like the movie .. Kind of think it shows you what Hollywood is like to a point
Salem
Tell Savage I am not Debra Tate ok
Savage,
I am not to in to horror films my self ..Give me Gone With The Wind
Savage,
Yes I think she pretty in own way . No she does not look like Patti or Sharon.
do have to admit that the post office story about her having been injured by a pipebomb shows that the woman has spunk and i do admire that.
But like you 60skid, both you and Debra i would have to refer to as "Mysterious" :-)
I have alway wondered about that my self .I never was able to find out much about that or what it had to do with.
Savage ,
I some times wonder who you really are too :)
Salem.
Rabbits back now
60skid:
>Savage ,
I some times wonder who you really are too :) <
I'll be signing the Barker Ranch guest book later this year and my name will be on there.
Sandy and St George may see it :-)
that is if they still get up there.
Well I may be in La later this year but have no plans to go to Barker ranch at this time
But when I am in LA I think I may stop at thre old Charlie Chaplin Studio and intoduce my self :)
Savage
Salem
Tell Savage I am not Debra Tate ok
SHE ISNT DEBRA TATE.
I SWEAR!
See I told you
No it kinds of goes back to the from one SOB to another SOB thing
Savage,
lol ... It's like i said 60skid, you're one "Mysterious" woman :-)
Not me !!!
Savage,
An Ohio girl going to LA
I have cousin In LA I want to spend time with he is talking me to see all the sights
Savage,
Old Topanga Canyon Rd will take you right past Gary Hinman's house and then you'll connect to Topanga Canyon Blvd. From there you'll take that all the way down to the Pacific Coast Highway
I heard that Let me know what month you go to Calif. I better go a different month . Not a good idea we being in the same state at the same time LOL
Savage ,
Why do you drive all that way To Calif . It takes like 6 hours on a plane
Savage RDDB-DA said...
agnostic monk:
>Nancy is what i would call natural. Personality wise she seems kind of spunky too.<
If that's your idea of "spunky" I would hate to see your idea of vicious and hostile.
"I didn't care either way."
- Nancy Pitman, on her deep and wide capacity for feeling compassion towards a butchered pregnant woman and her baby
Savage,
I have a friend Bobby who called me and said you can not get pass Golar Wash
Have you ever been to to Sharon house on Cielo Dr ?
I was thinking I can sew pretty good maybe I could make some of these phoney vests and sell them to LOL
good shop girl and you
Shop girl
Email me My address is in my profile
I remember those movies I loved them
Audio 60skid! Have you ever seen the movie "Beyond The Sea" about Bobby Darin and Sandra Dee?
Yes I love it
This Ezekiel Wheel is something to do with Tex Watson its on his web site
Cat,
I just read Bruce was already checked out by the FBI and is not The Zodiac. I knew they had to have DNA and to check .So from what I have read he was cleared of that
Cat,
Bruce doesnt answer questions if he doesnt want to-he doesnt lie about stuff and if he doesnt want to answer, he just doesnt...I can respect that, ya know... ;)
I can respect that
Cat,
That Zodiac crap was the figment of rabbitt stew and an other person...the other person seemed to really look into it (I can respect that) but rabbitt just stirred da crap when it was stinking for his own good...that I can not respect..
Yes and Rabbitt keeps telling that story to anyone who will listen .He better stop that stuff
Salem
You want to make make vests for trip mine do not cost $50.000 What a scam
Any one know how these poor children mother was ?..and where she was doing all of this
Salem
60skid said...
Salem
You want to make make vests for trip mine do not cost $50.000 What a scam ..
ty
but i have something I have had for 30 some years for this event*
You Go Girl !!!!!!
Savage,
60skid:
>Have you ever been to to Sharon house on Cielo Dr ? <
The honest answer to that is "No".
I deliberatly stayed away from places that i considered to be a "Conflict of Interest".
I'll be honest with you, i really have no desire to see that part of it. It's a chapter that's ended and i'd rather keep it that way.
I do not know what you mean by conflict of Interest.
I do not want to ever go there
Savage
Who was the Rice children mother and where was she ..when these children lived at the ranch ..Do you know ?
Savage
I also have a question about Leslie ? What do you feel she is really like ?
Savage,
I always wonder about Leslie.She is the one who always seem like .should have never ended up the way she did
Salem
Yes it was Trent Reznor who did that .
Like I said he from about 40 miles away from me Mercer County,Pennsylvania
I went there for family tree research ..he was in town for his grandma funeral.We were both in same .restaurant waitress starts going on about the door and meeting him ..I got up and left.Not meeting that freak
Audio
Thanks Salem...that's a pretty f*cked up thing to do. My neice is in a band and they opened for NIN about seven years ago. She says Trent Reznor is a super nice guy, though. She really enjoyed meeting him.
The waitress said he was so nice too I would have never know it was him .my self.
Today I mostly listen to county
Salem,
he was in town for his grandma funeral.We were both in same .restaurant waitress starts going on about the door and meeting him ..I got up and left.Not meeting that freak ..
SAME HERE 60'S
THATS TOO CREEPY FOR ME.
It was the waitress wanted to go on and on about the door to0 .My cousin said to her ..thanks now she will leave ..and I did
Audio,
I just listen to county LOL
I dont think Trent Reznor is all that freaky, he's just a showman putting on an act. I do believe he is a talented musician who has done some interesting things with industrial alt pop/rock.
He's probably not all that weird in real life from what I gather (interviews and some folks I know who have met him). he's got an image to project.
I agree with Audio though in that I dont believe for a second that he wasn't at least peripherally aware of the murders when he rented the Tate house.
But ya know it's not like Trent actually committed the murders or was even around at the time to be a Family fan. He was a wee little lad at the time like myself.
Salem said...
"When I found out I thought it was kind of interesting. I didn't think, "Oh, it'll be spooky to tell people that..." I don't idolize Charles Manson, and I don't condone murdering people because you're a fucked-up hippie trying to make a statement. But it's an interesting little chapter in American history that it was cool to be a part of.
SICKO*"
Hi Salem, if that statement makes Reznor a sicko then I guess everyone in this forum could be labeled a sicko as any one of us who are interested in the case could have said that.
Salem said...
"monk
are u mikey from Ca?
i know you from somewhere?
I hope u arent Turner. tho the sacrcasm rings a bell?"
Hi Salem, I live in San Francisco. The city is still alive with the energy of back then, even though it's yuppified and much more expensive. Isn't it funny, the Haight is one of the most expensive neighborhoods in the city! No I am not Mark Turner. I dont even really know that much about him.
Salem even though I seem to give you a hard time I think I would like you in real life.
:)
ChasingBunnies said...
"Besides, speak for yourself you're here too..."
Oh bunnies I was definitely including myself in that statement!
:)
Audio ,
They never did sell that new house on Cielo drive did they
Salem said...
"you must be a Aries."
Nah, actually Gemini. I can be the sweetest thing but I can also be a real prick if I don't get my juice and cookies followed by a nap, LOL.
:)
Bunnies ,
Far out picture !!
Audio,
60skid...Last time I checked the house was still up for sale. Not sure if anyone has rented it or bought it. Maybe I could do a search.
No big deal.I just heard no one wanted it and it was so big and ugly
Salem said...
"Monk
sandy sent me a pic once of a mountian in San Fran where her sisters ashes were spread. I lost the pic when my pc crashed months ago,Sandy still goes there from time to time.
Do u by any chance know the name of the MT?
Peace"
Salem, well there's Mt Sutro and Mt Davidson in the city but they are really just glorified hiking trails. Can be nice and pretty but not nearly as majestic as...
Mt Tamalpais, which is not in the city, but just over the Golden Gate Bridge and it's beautiful.
Is that Ginny you are referring to? Did Sandy do the scattering? Where does that fit into the timeline of Sandy hooking up with the family? I know she was living up here when she went south to visit and met them.
Savage RDDB-DA said...
"Agnostic Monk:
As you mentioned you lived in San Francisco, you should consider yourself honored and privilaged to be in the very heart of the Savage Nation as that is the current home base of Dr. Michael Savage."
Savage there many things about being a San Franciscan that make me proud. However, living in Michael Savage's home base is not one of them.
Just my opinion.
:)
I agree with Shopgirl that the Communist threat has become old and that the parents are responsible for how their kids turn out. As we always say over here: children are the product of their upbringing.
Savage,
I'll tell you one thing ...... the only ticket on the political frontiere that would really save this country is Dr Michael Savage for President with Me as his Vice President. This country will be rebuilt from the ground up and all of Americas able bodied men and women would be put to work. There would be many changes made i can assure you of that.
You want to be the Vice president of the U.S.A ?
Salem,
Have you read the book about Ginny Good ?
I don't get it - how is it that Horst Wessel is a "patriot"?? Because he got into a fight with his landlady?
I join a group last week after a friend sent a link I read thru the stuff .
Who do you think was posting all over?... the Rabbit ..with his stuff about the right hand man. all the murders they did. Saying he had to be careful maybe someone was a police plant ..LOL. I wrote and told the lady..to take me out. She went on about this Raven was the real deal. LOL. She told me they keep the rabbit as a Side Show.
Salem,
Salem,
Have you read the book about Ginny Good ?
NO, HAVE YOU?
PEACE
I am listening to it on line.There is site you can listen to it ..for free
Salem,
I am listening to it on line.There is site you can listen to it ..for free
cool
can u send it to me?
I already sent it you ..any one else want it ?
Savage,
When you run for office..are you sending a bus to pick us up to campaign for you ..
Savage,
I was going to give that Savage show a listen but I do not think its on where I live
Savage,
I bet I can get on on Cleveland channel
catscradle77 said...
"My next question-is what does everyone think of Little Paul...all I can hear is his goofy voice on that documentary and him and that Brooks guy doing that duet like they were in love with each other..."
LOL cats that was funny I thought the same thing when they were singing and playing the flute they locked eyes very intensely and Paul looked like he might cry.
What's interesting to me about Watkins is that he probably more than any other witness was responsible for MANSON getting the guilty verdict. Kasabian's testimony was like 98% TLB, 2% Helter Skelter (if that). Watkins was Bugliosi's chief Helter Skelter salesman.
Those girls shouldn't have been angry with Kasabian. They should have been angry with Paul. Kasabian put Tex, Sadie, Katie, Leslie away, the actual murderers. Paul put Charlie away.
Savage said...
"the sacrifice that Sandy and the others made was not in vain. They did get the message out and she and the others may have just helped save the future of our nation"
Ha ha ha ha ha! Oh man thanks for that laugh Savage, that was a bellyfull! Sandy saved the world!
"Sandy is like a modern day Molly Pitcher and she'll always be revered."
Oh man it just gets better and better! LMFAO!!!! Revered by whom? You'd be lucky if less than -.2% of the population even knows who she is.
Oh man Savage you crack me up. You're in the wrong line of work, ya should've been a drama major.
:)
Salem
Did you get the link ?
Salem
The woods you asked about is gone
Salem,
60's said...
Salem
The woods you asked about is gone .
well darn:(
thanks tho 60's:)
No problem
Salem said...
"Sandra Good did not invent environmental awareness.
"no she didnt Monk
but she did try to wake up the country to look around at what they were doing.
I admire her for having the GUTS to stand up for what she thought!then and now."
Salem, how effective do you think she was at getting her message out to the world and actually affecting any change?
Do you think most people perceived her as someone with a valid message who should be listened to or do you think most people perceived her as a slightly unbalanced fringe freakazoid from a bad childhood?
If you have a message to get out to the world, and you want people to listen and extend you some credibility, would you not admit that it's probably a bad idea to dispense your message on the backs of the victims of a brutal mass-murder?
Salem said...
"..she only wants to be left alone and live a quiet life...
delusions me...lol
well maybe i am."
Salem, I was not calling you delusional at all. I was referring to Savage's contention that Sandra Good may indeed have changed the world.
Everyone deserves to live a quiet life and to be left alone if they wish. Sandra Good deserves it. Rosemary Labianca deserved it too. But back in 1969 it appears that Sandra didn't believe Rosemary deserved it. Rosemary was merely a pig for the roasting, a dead thing on which to hang a political message. One less car spewing pollution. One less adult sending a child off to war.
"We did it! I guess we did it!"
- Sandra Good upon hearing of the murders
LOL Savage, you should do stand-up.
>>>>As a matter of fact I have a great deal of personal respect for Sandy and for the other girls who stood by her and Lynette on the corner of Broadway & Temple for what must have seemed like an eternity for them. They were put out on display and were accosted by the Media and were under constant scrutiney.<<<<
They were not "put" out on display at all. They WILLINGLY put themselves out there for all to see. They BEGGED for the spotlight. They LOVED the attention and seemed quite DESPERATE to court the media. Don't kid yourself. Sandy relished it.
>>>>This was the first time that we had a real clash of ideologies that suggested that perhaps we're all not doing it quite the right way.<<<<<
For someone who seems to pride himself on his knowledge of history, you sure do have a tenuous grasp of it when it suits your desire to glorify these idiots. The bulk of the "vigil" activity didn't even start until 1970. The nation had already seen A TON of challenges to societal norms in the preceeding decade. For you to claim the Manson girls represented the "first time that we had a real clash of ideologies" is laughable. For the most part they were mimicking the spirit of protest that had come before them (only in a severely misguided way). I'm sure some of the original 60's radical activists would love to hear that the Manson girls were the first challenges to straight society. They'd probably get a good laugh out of that.
Savage said...
>>>>You're dead wrong about Sandra Good if you think that she won't be remembered because she has been and she's still a symbol of that rebel spirt that lives in all of us today.<<<<<
LOL. Yeah Sandra Good will be remembered as this symbol you described by maybe 15 people in the world beyond the day of her death, 2 of whom are regular posters in this forum. The vast majority of the populace that remembers her name (and that will be a very small number) will only remember her as the freaky Manson girl who carved an X on her forehead. Sorry but that's the truth.
She's not even a tiny little minor footnote in 20th Century American history. Take a poll of the people in your office and ask them who Sandra Good was.
There's Sandra's legacy for you.
Savage said...
>>>>>Their songs were symbolic of their philosophy of life and they had a sense of brotherhood<<<<<
Yeah and they also had a sense of how to steal cars, commit credit card fraud, deal drugs, have sex with underage girls, rob gun stores, get into shootouts with the police, threaten and intimidate witnesses, and for some of them: commit murder and then laugh in the faces of the victim's families.
I think they should tour elementary schools and teach our children about their virtuous and profound way of life.
Savage said...
>>>>>They became Martyrs to their own way of life, but their legend and their spirit will live on for generations to come.<<<<<
Yeah, in your mind maybe.
In the larger public consciousness they'll be remembered as a freaky oddball gang of murderous pseudo-hippie wingnuts that managed to scare middle-class America with some inanely strung together philosophies about life, death, and society. You'd have to be smoking crack to think that their historical legacy is anything more meaningful or important in the grand scheme of public memory.
Savage, you live in a romanticized Disneyland dream-world of what the Manson Family was all about. That's fine if you want to do that, but don't expect anyone with a marble of common sense to follow along with your fantasies.
I gotta go to bed, I've had enough crazy for one day.
I agree with Monk. The Family wasn't all that. And neither was nazism.
"well some of the letters she wrote back then to certain *companies* got enuff attention to land her in jail."
And what impact did her jail sentence have on the world? Did the companies she threatened stop polluting the environment because of it?
The same goes for Lynn. I don't see any dramatic changes in the US. They didn't sign the Kyoto treaty and just keep on polluting at the same rate as ever.
But I'd love to be proven wrong.
"It seems it is you Monk that has no clue what the Family was like."
I'm not Monk but I'd like to hear from you what it was like. Btw, were you ever there or do you get all your info from Sandra?
Good post btw, Shopgirl. I agree 100%. The Manson Family killed the hippie movement and that's how they'll go into history.
"I humbly disagree-the so called hippie movement was on the decline way before the murders..."
That's true, hippies already had a bad name, but you can't deny that everything abruptly and virtually immediately came to an end after the Manson Family got arrested. It did mark the end of an era and created a long-lasting stigma on communes.
"OMG---ROFLMAO---CRYING--like these things never existed before..OMG CRYING...did ya ever hear of Jack the Ripper? (thats the first one I can think of, but I am sure there are more)
Thanks for the laugh, Shopgirl-needed that... "
Jack the Ripper is not a good example, as all his victims were killed OUTSIDE of their homes, with exception of the last victim.
"And in closing-the reason why you probably dont remember other cases-Shopgirl-is because they involved the killing of what people considered "low' class people, such as prostitutes and not a blond starlet that seems to have gotten your attention."
Prostitutes didn't and do not get creepy crawled: they're killed on the streets, where they usually live. That's true for Jack the Ripper and most other serial killer cases and has nothing to do with what Shopgirl was talking about.
But hey, whatever.
"Ummm..the Clutters in "In Cold Blood" then..there are many cases of home invasion, murder and death before the Tate/LaBianca's...also, why does it have to be cases INSIDE the home-or ooppps did ya forget about Shorty..I am sorry, he was just a ranch hand, in B grade movies.. "
What Shopgirl and I are talking about is the creepy crawling thing, not murder inside homes in general.
It seems to me you're deliberately misunderstanding what we're trying to say so that you can mock at us with arguments that have nothing to do with what we were talking about.
But hey, whatever.
After the Tate/LaBianca murders people started locking their doors at night. That never happened before because people felt safe inside their homes UNTIL THEN.
I hope you now understand what we're talking about and how you've been making nonsense remarks so far.
Shopgirl said: They introduced "home invasions"; targeting homes, victimizing, robbing and in some cases, killing occupants.
What about Richard Speck that was long before Manson ..he broke in a nurses dorm and killed 7 student nurses .
I believe the media is the one who started the 60s ended with Tate-La Bianica .it was August of 1969 and the 60s were over .
Whatever it was and who really was to blame: it is still the thing that the Manson Family will be most remembered for in the minds of the public, not Sandra and Lynette's actions for a better environment.
"I am sure, houses have been staked out prior to this.."
Of course, but until 1969 nobody locked their homes at night. Which was the point we were making. One killed prostitute that was found inside her house didn't cause much change in Victorian London. The upper class didn't feel threatned. So your analogy, in my opinion, still doesn't hold up.
"And the Boston Strangler as well, he pretended to be a handyman.. "
...and he didn't creepy crawl the houses where he killed the women in beforehand.
...and he was alone and didn't creepy crawl the houses beforehand.
Hardly comparable IMO
I maintain that the way these murders happened - and probably also the way the media sensationalized it - instilled fear in people unlike most other crimes.
Everybody who was in California at that time will tell you everybody was so afraid. That's what people still remember from those days, not Sandy and Squeaky babbling about saving the earth.
"Who's house did the so called family creepy crawl before there was murder????????"
The LaBiancas
But I'm more interested in discussing how Sandra's and Lynn's great accomplishments in saving the environment changed the world, which was the original topic.
Yep Yep. I do not know how old you are.but I am 50 and after the Boston Strangler and The Richard Speck murders ..My grandmother always keep the doors locked.
To me Cheepie Crawling is just another form of stalking and staking out
There were a lot of people going to Spahn ranch .Movie stars .. movie stars kids . People who today like to forget they were there
Salem said...
Monk says
"It seems it is you Monk that has no clue what the Family was like.
If it was so bad why are so many still in touch?
they did play games on the ranch, the did have games and lived a childhood they had missed."
Salem I would never deny that there was fun, closeness, a sense of belonging and love, at least for some of the hardcore members. Heck I've said before that I totally understand the appeal of some aspects of that life. Hanging out in the sunshine, smoking a big fattie, playing music with friends.
BUT, you cannot in all honestly deny that there also was...
- stolen cars
- credit card fraud
- drug dealing
- sex with underage girls
- a major gun store robbery leading to
- a shootout with the police
- other crimes and run-ins with the law
- thuggish threatening and intimidation of prosecution witnesses
- and for some of them: MURDER followed by LAUGHTER in the faces of the victim's families
To deny the negative aspects and only focus on the positive aspects is what Savage seems to do, which is why I call his perspective a romanticized Disneyland dream-world version.
Salem said...
>>>Yepyep said...
Whatever it was and who really was to blame: it is still the thing that the Manson Family will be most remembered for in the minds of the public, not Sandra and Lynette's actions for a better environment.
8:36 AM
YEAH MAYBE TO THOSE WHO THINK BUUGIES BUG WAS TRUTH!!!!<<<<
See Salem that is where you are totally wrong. One does NOT have to buy into Bugliosi's tall tales to recognize the negative aspects of life at Spahn and Barkers.
YES there was fun, YES there were good times but there was also a lot of shitty behavior and a good deal of crime. I take everything Bugliosi said with a HUGE grain of salt but I still have the sense to realize the good and bad of their lifestyle.
Ignorance would be to deny the negative and glorify the positive.
catscradle77 said...
>>>>salem-sis-hugs-some people just cant help themselves...BAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAA STOOPPPPIIDDD SHEEP..<<<<
cats, so anyone who doesn't agree that the this group was all about an innocent and beautiful trip down a merry lane of unicorns and lollipops is a "STOOPPPPIIDDD SHEEP"?
You seem to believe that criticizing these people automatically = "duped by The Bug". Sorry but one is not necessarily dependant on the other.
Chasing Bunnies,
The Richard Speck mass murders scared the holy shit outta me. My oldest sister was in nursing school at the time. I was about 10 when that happened and I had to sleep with the lights on. I also was scared shitless when Kennedy was assassinated because I thought the Russians were going to drop the bomb on us..I was too young to understand all of that.
I felt the same way as you did. After the Richard Speck murders ..we always locked our doors I also thought the Russians were coming to get us after Kennedy was killed .
I feel much the same as you do about Tate-La Bianca murders
drug fueled paranoid crime spree, a drug burn, don't forget the money element which was also another factor
Bugliosi who wanted to be famous .
Yepyep said...
"Everybody who was in California at that time will tell you everybody was so afraid. That's what people still remember from those days, not Sandy and Squeaky babbling about saving the earth."
This has been my point all along in this thread. That is the family's public legacy, the FRIGHT AND FREAK factor, like it or not. The general public will not and for the most part does not remember Sandy and Squeaky babbling about saving the earth. They remember a bunch of scary kooks.
This isn't a value judgement. This is merely an observation of how these people were and are perceived by the public.
They can go ahead and blame Bugliosi and the media for some of that perception, and maybe they have a point. But they also played along with those perceptions and made it very very easy for the public to view them this way.
Just because Savage loves and respects the former family members as being in line with his wacky revolutionary ideals doesn't mean the general public does or ever will see it that way.
The truth might hurt to family fans but the truth is the truth.
catscradle77 said...
>>>>Not at all Monk-I am just saying that alot of what the public is told in alot of situations is not the truth and people refuse to look any further for answers.<<<<
that's all fine and good but this is a forum where people specifically come to discuss and learn about TLB and the family. You're dealing with a group of people who decidedly ARE looking further for answers, otherwise we wouldn't be here. To lump people in this forum who dont agree with you in with the larger mass of "sheep" is a mistake. Most of us aren't swallowing the Bug's and the media's tales like dumb brainless twits.
Savage RDDB-DA said...
>>>>>>>Agnostic Monk said:
>Savage, you live in a romanticized Disneyland dream-world of what the Manson Family was all about. That's fine if you want to do that, but don't expect anyone with a marble of common sense to follow along with your fantasies.<
Monk .... You're looking at the world through establishment eyes and can't see beyond Bugliosi's Helter Skelter. You're looking at things from a "Post TLB Mindset".<<<<<
What? *I* can't see beyond Bugliosi's Helter Skelter? I've made it perfectly clear that I view everything Bugliosi said as suspect.
Damnit I'm gonna say it again; JUST BECAUSE I CAN RECOGNIZE THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS OF THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE DOESN'T MEAN I AM BLINDED BY BUGLIOSI'S TALES!!!!!
You guys really need to get off that condescending line of thinking anyone who doesn't see 100% sunshine and lollipops at Spahn Ranch is somehow duped by Bugliosi. That's just total shit.
Savage, I lived in Los Angeles before moving up here to San Francisco. I'm very familiar with Malibu and I've experienced more in my life than you know. Don't tell me how I "have to look" at how these people lived. I've looked PLENTY. Yeah yeah yeah "come to now", "live for the moment". I understand all that and on some levels can see the appeal, BUT IT DOES NOT NEGATE the crime, the sex with minors, the thuggish behavior, breaking into people's homes, etc. etc. etc.
Stop pretending you have some kind of special insight into life with the family that others are incapable of grasping. It just makes you come off as ridiculous.
Savage said...
Agnostic Monk:
>Stop pretending you have some kind of special insight into life with the family that others are incapable of grasping. It just makes you come off as ridiculous.<
>>>>>I hate to burst your bubble, but i do :-)<<<<<<
Sure you do Savage. Sure you do.
>>>>If you can't Open your mind and grasp this concept then you won't understand.<<<<
you're missing my point entirely. I am capable of opening my mind and grapsing these concepts. They really aren't as deep as you make them out to be, and the Manson family certainly wasn't the only group tossing around these kinds of philosophies.
What I am saying is that regardless of these philosophies, the Manson family was involved in all manner of crimes and shitty behavior even BEFORE TLB. To deny that is to wallow in your own form of ignorance.
Savage RDDB-DA said...
>>>>>Monk, you're a One dimensional thinker in a Multi dimensional world.<<<<<
talk about one-dimensional. everything with you and the family is all sunshine and lollipops and kisses in the raindrops and fighting for what's "right". you're stuck on that one groove and can't seem to let it go. you deny the multi-dimensions of these people. they weren't all communal peace and love even in the early days.
Sorry Savage, but you just sound like a poseur.
Savage said...
>>>>If you're looking for a simple textbook type answer, you won't find one. It's a philosophical view of life and each person has their concept of what life is and how life should be lived.<<<<
I'd be willing to bet that not even everyone in the core group agreed on all their philosophies. I've always believed that life with the Manson family meant different things to different people. Clearly it meant something different to Sandra Good than it did to Susan Atkins. Clearly it meant something different to Gypsy than it did to Leslie Van Houten.
But you keep talking abuot them like they were indeed all "ONE". The reality is they were just as prone to political wrangling, power-struggles, and backstabbing as anyone else out in "straight society".
>>>>The Crimes and the events that came afterwards really overshadows who these people really were.<<<<
Actually, I think the crimes and the behaviors of the family members that came afterwards SPEAKS VOLUMES about who these people really were.
>>>>To say that there is no attraction to their lifestyle is to not understand who these people were.<<<<<
I never said there was nothing about it that is attractive. I was young once too you know. I spent half my college days with my face buried in a bong with close knit friends who felt like a sharing, communal family. I was no stranger to Grateful Dead shows and to Rave culture. I flirted with all manner of subcultures, spiritual philosophies, and ideals that opposed my parents comfortable suburban values. I'm not completely ignorant of the appeal of shaking off mainstream mores.
I still think the "family" were a bunch of idiots. Interesting idiots, and not everything they did or said was wrong or bad or off-base, some of it was quite riveting and poignant, but idiots nonetheless.
Savage, keep trying to make it sound deeper and more exotic than it really was. It's quite comical.
I'll bet even many of those who were present at the time would laugh at your attempts to romanticize the family. Half the time they didn't even know what the fuck they were saying. Even Susan Atkins admits that now.
But you can quite comfortably from your armchair 30+ years later wax poetic about it like it was some admirable revolutionary movement that actually had much meaning beyond self-indulgence and rebellion.
Snipe 500
Savage said...
>>>>The spirit of who these people were can be found in their songs.<<<<
I agree, and I like some of those songs. But that's not the only place to look.
The spirit of who these people were can ALSO be found in the remaining wreckage at Death Valley...
- in the still standing Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic where the girls got treated for their STD's (on the Establishment's dime)...
- on the blades of grass on the lawn at Cielo Drive where Abigail Folger's blood dried to a crisp in the hot LA morning sun....
- in the puddle of vomit that caked the walls of the toilet bowl in the Hawaii restroom after Barbara Hoyt was poisoned....
- on the heartbroken face of Doris Tate as the girls giggled and taunted....
- on the trigger of Squeaky's rifle that she caressed as she asserted that "Snitches will be taken care of" on film....
- in the heart of Sandra Good's son, who grew up knowing his mother would rather sit in prison in allegiance to Charles Manson than raise her own child...
- on the face of Nancy Pitman when she claimed that she didn't care one way or the other about the death of Sharon Tate's baby...
You're living in a dream world if you think their spirits can only be found in their music. If you really had any courage, you'd face up to the WHOLE of who they were, not just one romantic part that came and went in the blink of an eye.
Savage, YOU'RE image of the "family" is just as one-dimensional as the media-endorsed "acid-crazed zombie hippie thrill killers" image.
The truth is somewhere in between.
Savage RDDB-DA said...
>>>>Monk,
I think we have to look at things this way:
You're the eternal Pessimist, and i'm the eternal Optimist.<<<<<
No actually I'm generally a pretty optimistic person.
>>>>>You're looking at the darker side of the paranoia that took root and i'm looking back at the peacful spiritual side that was about living and music and life.<<<
No Savage, I am looking at the WHOLE picture, or at least as much of the WHOLE picture as is available to me. I am seeing the good and the bad. I never denied there were good times on the black bus.
I do agree that The truth is some where in the middle
catscradle77 said...
>>>>With the good, must come the bad..the full circle..<<<<
cats, not to open up an entirely new can of worms, but I will take it one step further and offer my OPINION that in this case, the bad wound up far outweighing the good.
If I were a member of this so-called family, the INSTANT there was bloodshed, I would have hit the road. To quote you (with one of my favorite lines ever), "Gun the engine, sisterhood". I may not be a sister, but you can bet your ass I would have gunned the engine but good.
And I would not have remained friends with the kind of person that would giggle and taunt during proceedings where the victim's families were present. I would not have remained friends with the kind of person that would have used the murders to further some kind of loosely jumbled together political statement. I would have looked for a new scene and I would never want to see the faces of those people ever again.
catscradle77 said...
>>>>Yes Bruce did say that, but write to the guy now and see how he is..it is his story, not mine to tell...<<<<
Bruce would most likely now say "Drrrrr.... I was wrong. I guess the rules actually do apply to me. Would you like a tour of my fabulous cellblock?"
Salem said...
>>>>thanks Savage..
I guess you and I must be the same age and can remember those times.<<<
Salem I could be wrong but I'm guessing Savage is younger, closer to my age, and living in some fantasy poseur world where he imagines he actually was there to remember it.
Cats,
Peace Salem-we all gotta live on this earth and help each other...the best I can do is try to understand everyone...I may not
agree but I can understand;)
Amen we can all try to do that
Peace
Savage,
Mama Cass .... god bless her, but i don't even want to picture that scene.
Come on Savage get a picture of that
bunnies
Oh, I think we should make it a group grope, don't you?
snicker
depends on who doing the groping
Salem
I was a very young boy at the time, you would probably know better than i would.
oh wow
i feel very old now! LOL
No You Audio and I are in the 55 club ..Cat is a honorary member
Salem said...
>>>Monk will never understand that Savage....Ya either in or out and he's out.<<<<
Salem, you definitely haven't been reading my posts if that's how you feel.
But as far as this high school clique mentality of being "In" or "out", I will gladly err on the side of being "out". I've never been much of a joiner or a follower anyway.
catscradle77 said...
>>>>I do not agree with what this person did...but he is still a human being...so I fibbed and went to visit for three hours..<<<<
Cats that is commendable of you. I wasn't speaking about prisoners. I have nothing against contacting prisoners and establishing a connection with them. People who are truly remorseful for their crimes deserve respect. And reaching out only helps society for the better.
I also have absolutely nothing against people who hung out with the Manson crowd for the purpose of connecting and having a good time and enjoying themselves prior to things going sour. My beef is with the Sandra Good's and the Cathy Gillie's who displayed sub-human reactions to the crimes of their friends.
Savage RDDB-DA said...
>>>>>Agnostic Monk said:
>Salem I could be wrong but I'm guessing Savage is younger, closer to my age, and living in some fantasy poseur world where he imagines he actually was there to remember it. <
I don't know why you feel the need to make comments like that. You sound like an intelligent, level headed guy, so lets try and keep it civil.<<<<<
Savage there are two things going on here for me with regards to you.
#1. You have bounced back and forth between being civil and being abusive from the moment you descended on this forum.
You immediately jumped on 60'skid back in the early days with your Michael Savage "L-I-B-E-R-A-L" screech. You've flung insult after insult towards Heaven. You have posted abusive and obnoxious comments and then cowardly turn around and delete them.
You have not extended the courtesy of keeping things civil so I'm not sure why you think you deserve that respect extended back to you. I love the fact that the Col has set up this forum. I feel you've pissed on it any number of times.
#2. I'm sorry but I do get the sense that you're a bit of a poseur with all your revolutionary talk and your glorification of the Manson Family. Sometimes it even comes off as parody. Not sure how else to explain it, but I'm just not really buying it.
And dude; it's 2006. No one actually uses the term "establishment" anymore the way it was used back in the 60's. It's so cliched and tired that it's been practically drained of all meaning.
ChasingBunnies said...
Salem said...
>>>ya think that wasnt going on all over Hollywood either?
oh so now, every one was a slut in HolY wood in the 60's.<<<<
True, and there aint nothing wrong with being a slut. Just protect yourself, protect your partner(s)and don't be having babies you can't raise.
:)
Salem said...
>>>>He was a very
jealous person. I had several encounters with him. It was eating
him up that there were so many people that were loyal to Manson.
He didn't have anybody that would stand by him.<<<<<
Um, not that Blue doesn't make some valid points in that passage, indeed she does touch on some interesting ideas, BUT I have to say I HIGHLY doubt that Vincent Bugliosi was jealous of Manson or anyone else in the Family. Somehow I'm thinking he preferred his life of work and ambition, his friends and associates in the "straight world" over eating out of garbage cans, dealing in drugs and murder, and contracting the clap from skanky girls who rarely bathed.
That's purely a guess on my part.
shopgirl said...
>>>>Thanks so much for the invite, Salem, but we're off to Hawaii for a few days of surfing in the sun!<<<<<
How dare you, you Establishment Pig!!!!!!!
:)
Savage RDDB-DA said...
>>>>I've always been a revolutionary, both in my thinking and in my views of life in general.<<<<
>>>>you seem just a tad cynical. I think you're a skeptic by nature and that's fine.<<<<<
Yes, I am a tad cynical. When I hear someone blathering on and on about what a "rebel" and a "revolutionary" they are, I tend to roll my eyes and think they're slightly full of it. True rebels and revolutionaries don't have to pump themselves up as such. Poseurs do.
Someone bloviating about what a "rebel" they are, to me it just sounds like some dumb high school kid trying to act cool.
Whatever dude, no skin off my back. Feel free to be all rebel and revolutionary with your bad self.
Salem
Do you want Savage to have your email ? if you do tell him my email is listed and I will forward his to you
Salem said...
>>>ITS WAS COMICAL AT TIMES, THERE WAS LAUGHTER AND GAMES AND SONGS AND FUN TIMES.<<<
Salem I never ever denied that. Why are you acting like I denied that?
Salem said...
>>>>I REFUSE TO PLAY HEAD GAMES WITH YOU.<<<<
Salem I have never been interested in playing head games with you. In here I'm merely interested in talking about the so-called family and about TLB. I may disagree with you on some issues, but that doesn't mean I feel animosity towards you. I may get a little heated in my condemnations of Sandra Good and some of the others. I won't apologize for that.
I may get a little frustrated when I hear people talking about life with the family as though it was all kisses in the raindrops for everyone there and that there wasn't any thuggish, skanky or criminal behavior going on. Even many who were there, some of the major players, do not pretend that it was all 100% lollipops. Apparently you are in touch with some people who were there pre-TLB and who say that it was all 100% lollipops and they were all just peace-loving people who were doing their own thing. Some are probably more trustworthy than others in that respect.
None of that means you should think I mean you ill will personally or that I'm into playing head games.
I merely have my perspective and that's all.
Savage RDDB-DA said...
>>>>I dedicate that song to the uptight Monk that doesn't know how to party.<<<<
Now, now, Savage, don't get all sensitive just because I called your bluff on the whole "revolutionary rebel" thing and because I dont buy that everything at Spahn was sunshine and lollipops.
Now go on with your bad self, you outlaw you.
:)
I wish you could know Salem.She is a wonderful caring lady .a good wife and mother.
She may feel differently about things then others here do.
But I respect her very much and she is a friend to me.:)
She is not saying that she thinks the murders were right in any way.
Savage,
You have respect for me ? That is the nicest thing you ever said to me .Thank You
Savage RDDB-DA said...
>>>>I'm a staunch radical<<<<
Sure ya are Savage. I got ya. Go on with your rebel self, you outlaw! Rock on!
60skid said...
>>>>I wish you could know Salem.She is a wonderful caring lady .a good wife and mother.
She may feel differently about things then others here do.
But I respect her very much and she is a friend to me.:)
She is not saying that she thinks the murders were right in any way.<<<<
60skid I never doubted any of those things about Salem. I've said before I like Salem. I'm glad she's here. I NEVER suggested that SALEM thinks the murders were right.
It's SANDRA who thought the murders were right, way back in the day and as recently as the early 90's.
"Forget about TLB ... that's total bullshit and it's not what the lifestyle of this group of people was about."
I will NEVER forget TLB and the horrors these people went through. Ever. And neither should you.
Of course I know that that's not the only thing they did. No, they also molested children, stole, and took loads and loads of LSD trips and smoked pot a lot. Which is all illegal as far as I can gather. But oh man, it was such fun!
And for those who were wondering: In my opinion the Bug's Helter Skelter is a big pile of shit and I don't take his words as gospel. And I don't take Sandy's or Squeaky's or Susan's or anybody else's word for gospel either. I look at things from all sides and then make up my mind and draw my own conclusions.
It seems to me that some of you romanticize the Family's life before the murders. That's fine, but not how I see it.
Yepyep said...
>>>In my opinion the Bug's Helter Skelter is a big pile of shit and I don't take his words as gospel. And I don't take Sandy's or Squeaky's or Susan's or anybody else's word for gospel either. I look at things from all sides and then make up my mind and draw my own conclusions.<<<
Amen, yepyep. That's exactly how I feel to a 'T'. I wouldn't 100% trust Sandra Good's version of things anymore than i would 100% trust Vincent Bugliosi's version of things.
But some people here seem to think if you don't march in lock-step with "it was all beautiful, all peace, all love, all special, all the time - One Is One Is One...." then you are just a sheep deluded by the Bug's Helter Skelter.
They fail to grasp that most likely neither extreme is the full truth.
"But as far as this high school clique mentality of being "In" or "out", I will gladly err on the side of being "out". I've never been much of a joiner or a follower anyway."
Same here. I paid a high price for it, but never regretted my decision for one second.
Monk said: "Cats that is commendable of you. I wasn't speaking about prisoners. I have nothing against contacting prisoners and establishing a connection with them. People who are truly remorseful for their crimes deserve respect. And reaching out only helps society for the better."
Hell, yeah! I do the same thing.
"But I don't consider these 3 women "dignified and classy" women because of what they've done and openly discussing their sex lives for the information to freely known about."
From the image I have of the 60s (distorted, I admit to that) EVERYBODY did that in the 60s. Except my parents, who are boring :P
Personally, I don't give a damn about these girls' sex life. What they did and do is their own business. I don't look down on people who have different sex habits then me. I might think to myself 'I wouldn't do that' but I don't judge people by their sexual behaviour.
What's 'wrong' and what's 'right' really depends on what side you're on. My motto :)
That's my favourite Supertramp song! *cheers*
Sweet dreams Cat! :)
I don't give a rip about their sex lives either. But I do think that Manson used sex to manipulate/ control people in the group. And Susan Atkins puss infected vagina and the open sores on her feet - gross!!
Savage,
Well we can agree on Roman Polanksi. I do not have much use for him. I also believe Voteck was no good .I did not say he deserved to die .
This is just my option
"Cheers, lol...I was just getting up to get ready for work...LOL..i get up at the crack of dawn.."
Oops! LOL I assumed everybody went to bed by the time I got online :)
It's 7.30 PM here now. Those time differences are really a bitch. I'd love to chat with you all.
Does anybody know how to get into that AOL chatroom? I got AIM just to be able to go in there, but so far I can't find it.
Can somebody help me out?
Salem
Roman Polanksi had his share of Orgies too and so did many of the so-called "Respectible" types.
yes he did!!!!!
and for every one that thinks Sharon and Roman had a happy marriage, what i remember was Sharon was tired of Roamin Roman and his affairs.
Sharon was a sweet and naive person.
It was Jay that was always at her rescue. Til the end.
Your right Salem ..Roman ran around on her big time Jay was the man who really loved her.
Like I said I no fan of Roman at all
Savage,
I do some about Sharon ..Please do not think I am Debra .
Jay was madly in love with Sharon .He went to London to met Roman when he first found out about him and Sharon.
It was Jay who picked her up when she came home in July 1969 .
It was Jay came to her rescue that day.
Jay died defending Sharon
Just because Linda slept with Tex first doesn't mean Manson didn't control/manipulate through sex. He had a criminal history as a pimp.
Sandy has defended the murders - there are media interviews to prove it.
What do you mean "wrong again"?
There are some freakin' lunactics on this blog - especially the nazi-worshipper Savage. Bye!
Savage , Have you ever wrote or seen Pat .I always want to write to her.Not to ask anything about her crimes .But she always seems so left out of the 3 girls
Cat . I just read Barbra wrote some nasty stuff to the parole board about Bruce too.I think she is a little bitter
Savage,
It's sad because i had heard that she lost her father in 2001. She's suffered a great deal over the years.
Yes I heard that also.She always seems so sad.
I also want to comment I think Bill Nelson was no good for what he did on all sides.
He exploited a lot of people for no reason ..but to make money for him self.
I also believe if you write someone and you truly write them or visit them ..because you have some compassion for them ..that ok with me.
But to write them and then sell it on ebay and these other sites ..it wrong to me.
Savage,
That's a betrayal of trust and that's something that i frown on.
I agree with with you
Savage,
You never heard the story about Jay that Steve Mc Queen cleaned out his house before the police got there
Bret's site is more the people who are into an indepth analysis of who these people were/are and who take the details of this case seriously.
It's good that both are there because there's alot of material to rummage through.
I agree I like Bret site alot
You never heard the story about Jay that Steve Mc Queen cleaned out his house before the police got there <
I heard that he dated Sharon once and he probably knew Jay Sebring too. It wouldn't surprise me.
Oh Yes Steve ,Warren Beatty all friends of Jays.
They say the movie Shampoo is about Jay
"Interesting.
That's a new one to me.
Nazi, NO .... Anti-Communist, YES "
Nazi is short for National Socialism. I thought you referred to yourself as a 'national socialist'? If so, you are a nazi. You also repeatedly refer to Hitler and his croons so don't be surprised people label you as a nazi.
Now what I wonder about is: why are you so afraid of when it comes to communists? They can't take over the country as the only ones who *can* run the country are either the Republicans or the Democrats and both these parties are right-wing. So to be honest I can't quite follow you, but I'm sure that's just me.
"Could you please tell me what:
ROFLMAO means? I see it is used frequently here on this blog."
ROTFLMAO = Rolling Over The Floor Laughing My Ass Off
:)
Monk said:
"slitting someone's throat? honestly? um, no. well unless we count my OWN throat, which I HAVE dreamed about slitting when I have to listen to bloviating wannabes blow hot air all over the place with their self-aggrandizing masturbatory b.s. Oops, have I said too much? :)"
Amen brother! This crap is the reason I have limited my postings. Well said Monk!!!!!!!!!
Savage,
Just so you know ..I was never on any of the other boards.
I came here to get a answer.I got that answer.
The answer I got in a lot ways ..helped me alot.
I just want to clear that up ..with you ..as you always seem to think I am some body I am not.
I am not hear for any of the reasons you think.
I also do not care if people know who I am ..any time anyone wants to know ..I tell them.
Salem,
Salem said...
hi 60's
where ya been?
*hugs*
I got a bad cold
Hugs
Salem,
I know you have had it forever. It this Ohio weather . it been changing so much..hot one day cold the next.
Well I hope you feel better also
must add my 2 cents and say unless you've seen the costumes Rosalind Russell wore in the movie:
I remember That movie god I am old
Salem,
Of course, if you meant you don't know how to do the horizontal mambo in a safe way.... then I must recommend to you: 'Trojans' - for maximum protection and reduced worries about 'slip-ups' - 9 months from now - if you know what I mean
I think Endora thinks you and Savage want to hook up LOL
Salem,
Happy April Fools!
I didnt get fooled today:)
my son tried 5 times and i escaped his hijinks! lol
I know the guys at work tried everything .. ever called me on the phone ..saying Its George Strait
LOL
Salem,
same down here
last week in the 30's today we hit 82!!!!!
NC is in a code red, as we have had no rain for months it seems.
:(
goes outside to do rain dance! :)
Its seem like it rains here all the time
Endora,
You know 60skid - I'm just a tad too old to be hung up on how old I am - so, I just look at myself as though I'm a fine wine....getting better with age
Amen too that
Salem,
I think Endora thinks you and Savage want to hook up LOL
OH NOOOOOOO
not that way.I meant talk..
email.
not sex...
:)
Well I sure do not have to worry anyone will think Savage and I will hook up..do I ?
Endora,
Haven't you wondered why they never did a reunion show? Agnes passed away in '74 - she had tremendous theatrical merit and when most people think about their mother-in-law; usually an image of "Endora" pops into their minds! Don't you think? She touched a lot of lives.
Yes I agree she has tremendous theatrical merit and yes you could get a image of her thinking about a mother in law
Specially after the murders the day before-one would think he wouldve been a little more careful?????
yes and Rosemary was so afraid ..at 1AM you open your door
Savage,
60skid said:
>Well I sure do not have to worry anyone will think Savage and I will hook up..do I ? <
Lol, that would be a scandel that people would be talking about for a long time :-)
A scandel ..well I can see us beating each other with the news paper LOL A Liberal with a Savage ..oh Wow
Savage,
Was gorgeous here today. Went down to the beach and had the CD player going :-)
Let me guess with the Beatles
Savage,
It would be the Blue and the Gray all over again :-)
My daughter thinks I nuts I am some times laughing like hell what you post ..or bitching about you
Started doing a little spring cleaning as well. I'm looking forward to Summer.
We only had 1 snowstorm this season and I think we got lucky but i have a feeling it will be a rough hurricane season.
Yes I can not wait for summer I get to get my garden going .its says snow here Tues ..
Savage,
60skid:
>My daughter thinks I nuts I am some times laughing like hell what you post ..or bitching about you <
We're like the Odd Couple :-)
Yes we are ..My daughter asks everyday now ..what did Savage say today
Savage,
60skid said:
>Yes we are ..My daughter asks everyday now ..what did Savage say today <
Lol, all the world loves a maverick :-)
she gets going more then I do you 2 would really fight
Savage,
You clean I will cook and bake
Savage,
60skid,
>Savage,
You clean I will cook and bake<
Lol, I have a feeling that you and I would probably match up well if only for the fact that we're so opposite on things.
Opposites Attract, at least so i'm told. :-)
I just can not see you listening to George Strait and enjoying it
Savage,
60skid:
>I just can not see you listening to George Strait and enjoying it <
Who is he? Don't know the name
He is a county singer..My No 1 man he has more No 1 hits than any one even the beatles 52 No 1 hits
Salem
...I am spiritual and have to be near da water...lol...three minutes on foot to da beach...
me too Cat I have to drive 3 hours.:( I have a pool, but it just isnt the same as the beach*
I would love to get up there to visit ya* so much going on this summer tho*
Peace
Lake Erie is beautiful but it the worst of the Great lakes if you are on in a storm
Have any of you ever heard of Parkard Cars ?
The Parkard was invented in my town every July.. all kinds of people come here for The Parkard car get together
Savage,
I'm not much of a Country music fan but i did like Johnny Cash. I remember watching him on Tv as a kid.
Did you see the movie I Walk The Line... it is wonderful
Savage ,
Nope, haven't heard of it. Is it a foreign model?
You never heard of a Packard they stopped making them in the 50s
Do you know what a Cavlier or a colbolt is
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