Last week's post has over 660 comments.
I go away and the Blog takes off?
What I like about this is that most everyone is being calm and rational.
If only Charlie and the Bug had both been the same in 1969 we wouldn't be here now.
There's a lot of detritus among the comments and I only made it part of the way through.
Here are my thoughts. I am the black and the comments are in red.
Charlie does go in to the La Biancas. So Charlie wants to make sure Tex and the girls get the right house and person.
Bingo. I agree. Very well said 60skid
If i'm not mistaken, wasn't the Labianca home creepy crawled again "after" the murders
I never heard that and don't believe it- it would be a crime scene- I had heard that perhaps it had been crawled BEFORE and that that was why Rosemary was wigged. Sorry SSN Could it be that CM met someone when he was in Terminal Island who was aware of Leno LaBianca's gambling debts.
And then waited two and a half years? Ummm I don't buy that.
The Labianca's were killed because there was no one at the Harold True house when Manson came-a-calling. I think that's a safe bet to say
Sorry SSN that doesn't make any sense unless you believe in the BUG and random killings. I do not.
The DA wanted Manson and Atkins at all costs.
I'm calling bullshit on Atkins- she had a deal and she completely fucked it up for herself. With that in mind, I think he stopped at the Pasadena house to talk to someone about what time the LaBiancas would be arriving home from their trip. He has the rest drive around the block so they won’t see that he’s made contact with anyone. Maybe Suzan LaBerge called to tell the Pasadena resident what time they were leaving Lake Isabella.
Maybe. No way to be sure but could be.. A friend of Suzan's?
After California abolished the Death Penalty, and all those on Death Row got life and became eligible for parole. Were any Death Row inmates paroled during that time period?
Your question is unclear. If you are asking if any people who were on Death Row who got their sentence lessened by the 1972 have been paroled the answer is yes as I recall... and one or two of them fucked up and got put back right away.
More in a while- dang you've been busy...
178 comments:
LOL Where do you find all these pictures?
=)
savage national socialist
thanks for the info im in austin
With that in mind, I think he stopped at the Pasadena house to talk to someone about what time the LaBiancas would be arriving home from their trip. He has the rest drive around the block so they won’t see that he’s made contact with anyone. Maybe Suzan LaBerge called to tell the Pasadena resident what time they were leaving Lake Isabella.
Well no one seem to be able to say any thing about who The Pasadena resident was.as I recall Linda K cound not find the right house.
I do believe Suzan LaBerge gave the tip off as to when Mom & stepdad were coming home.
Also Rosemary fear..I wonder about..The Tate murders were first reported to be big drug party. Rosemary was not in the Hollywood circle ..so why the big fear?
Savage, I used to work at the 2 World Trade Center building at one time in my career and lost a friend that i went to high school with, Anthony Rodriguez, who was a firefighter that died when the buildings collapsed along with a co-worker of mine, Elaine Cillo.
I am very sorry for the lost of your friends In 911 ..
Savage,
If ever we needed George S. Patton, it's now.
I can agree with that.a good man
Savage,
I'm calling bullshit on Atkins- she had a deal and she completely fucked it up for herself.<
You have to remember that at the time Atkins was offered the deal, Linda Kasabian wasn't being shopped as the alternative star prosecution witness. Atkins was all they had to go on and Bugliosi was upset that Atkins was being given some kind of a deal for her role in what happened. But i think it's fair to say that the DA wanted Manson and Atkins real bad.
I agree with the Col. Susan messed the deal up her self. The Bug would have used her..but then she went back on her story and her deal
Savge,
He would have, but he certainly didn't want to. He would have been more than happy to prosecute her along with Manson and the others and not offer her a deal.
Well that one time I agree with the Bug..I would not have wanted to use her my self. But she did blow the deal,
Salem ,
HEAVEN, 60'S AUDIO.EVERYONE...
WHATS YA TAKE ON BRUCE DAVIS AND PAROLE?
On July 24,2005 The Col had a post on Bruce ..Here it is
Bruce Davis- my perception of him was that he was a hardcore badass.
I agree with The Col on that..I also think Bruce got away with other murders .
He also does the Born Again thing.
I am againist Bruce getting Parole
bruce aka other murders
marnia habe
I have read There probably is DNA evidence in this case.
If that were true...why would they not check out Davis & Tex..both are in jail.
They way I always heard it. Bruce was the real hardcore one of the men.
Cat,
Dunno...have written to Bruce..couldn't really quite figure the guy out...
Why is that ? you mean he was strange?
Bruce, Is up for parole again this year. He was up last year also. How does that work ? Why do some of them ..get yearly and others its 2 years or 4 years..between hearings?
Cat,
I can understand they do have mistrust when you write to them. I also knew they are not going to talk about their crime.
Bruce just never seemed like he would be boring .
Are you for him getting out?
Cat,
(i know so was ted bundy under certain circumstances)
Ted could be very likeable at times
Tex, Bruce & Leslie have parole hearings this year.
I really do not see Tex getting out.
Cat,
I do not believe Bruce is the Zodiac You also right ..there is no evidence for the other crimes. ..that I know of.
The only thing that is strange about the Zodiac murders and Bruce Davis is, the murders completely stopped after Davis was arrested...
Salem,
think he has lived a low key life behind bars. I dont know what kind of prison record he has had as in, violations etc..would like to know if any ones has the info*
Yes go to
http://www.internet.is/bret/manson.htm
He has all the parole hearings there .No he has not been trouble in prison.
ghl,
Marina Elizabeth Habe
Marina Habe was the 17-year-old daughter of writer Hans Habe and actress Eloise Hardt. In December 1968, she was home on Christmas vacation from the University of Hawaii.
She came up missing Dec 1968 and they found her dead Jan 1,1969.
They never found her killer .. a lot of people think Tex Watson or Bruce Davis killed her..They lived close by her.
She was the 17 year old daughter of a novelist. She was home on school break from Hawaii. Found off Mulholland drive in Hollywood. Murdered in December 1968. Stabbed to death.
http://www.charliemanson.com/habe.htm
glh ,Were they suspects before the Tate/LaBianca murders? I looked it up after I posted - I know, I should have done that first - and there was mention of a news article. Why would they have killed her?
I do not think they were supects before Tate/LaBianca
if that is you Rabbitt, you went to the Zodiac bored screaming how you believe Bruce is the Zodiac, then recanted and now if it is you are back on the Bruce murdered others kick...please show me evidence he did, I am open for discussion.. i was in la at the time, and i cant give names but it was bruce and tex who killed marina habe i have known this for a lot of years
Nellie,
If you can not give names ..then why say it.
ok heres what i said to howard davis, that when i saw the drawing of zodiac i thought it was bruce, thats what i told him on the phone, the drawing in the cronicle reminded me of bruce i never came out and flat out said it was bruce
ok as for marina habe
while i was at spahn i overheard a couple blabber mouths talk about, and i was at spahn when abbie hoffman ed sanders, jerry rubin and there wifes were there to ride horses durning the trial, they all saw me, the cols board is vary public and i wont name the blabber mouths openly, so heaven just email me if u want me to tell u the names or im me on yahoo messenger whiterabbitt83 is my yahoo id or wrabbitt83@hotmail.com is my msn messenger or rabbitt836 is my aim messenger and ill tell u the blabbermouths
I don't think Bruce Davis did it either..
as for bruce, i was in london when the joel pugh murder happened, so was bruce,what i over heard the blabbermouths say was that bruce and tex had got her becouse she rejected tex and tex got upset at being rejected, as for zodiac,sandra was a seamstress and i have seen her sew, a hood, at that task force howard put a lot of pressure on me to name bruce,i personly dont think it was bruce ,i do say that the drawing in the chronicle looked like bruce,
Nellie,
You better watch yourself ..saying Sandra Good sewed the costume for the Zodiac.
Remember Bill Nelson
hear me clear im not saying sandra good made a zodiac aznything, howard wanted me to say certain things on toms board and i did not agree to say so i stoped posting, howard said he did not pay me 700 bucks for a letter i got in prison but he did, as for family members saying i was not there, look at the ones who are saying it. sandra good and country sue, now if u ask kitty lutesinger u get a differt anser. kitty will tell u i was there
Cat, I just read the Zodiac site ..humm
All I can say is yes White Rabbitt loves to loves to live dangerously
ok that letter to blue was wrote in prison when jb heath wrote me and sent me something sandra said on her manson web site and i answered her point for point
I really feel if Pat, Susan or Leslie knew anything about Bruce or Tex being involved in any killings .They would have told what they knew by now.
That would look real good to a parole board.
Also some of these cases there is DNA and I would think they would test Tex or Bruce by now.
60skid yeah if they matched the dna from the marnia habe death scene it would match with bruce and tex
catscradle77 after all those years everything is hearsay but one thing does not change dna and i would bet dollars to donuts that tex and bruces dna are in the evidence they got
Nellie,
60skid yeah if they matched the dna from the marnia habe death scene it would match with bruce and tex
Tex and Bruce are both in the FBI data base.since both are in prison.
I am sure this has been checked.
I know I should shut up.Yes I am a Liberal.No I do not like what Bush is doing. But I do not think anyone on The Tate -La Bianca blog ..really wants to hear what my political views are.
No I did not faint about what. Siebenzumsterben said yesterday. Because there was a whole lot of truth to what he said..He just had the gutts to say it.
I agree we did lose a good women in Dana Reeves .. a women who showed a lot of people ..what she was made off and what a lady she was.
Siebenzumsterben is right ..all the money spent housing these people ..could be put to a way better use.
All I wanna know is, how does every single discussion always come around to Susan?
Heaven , You are 100 percent right. That is why I do not even say her name in my last post .I feel this blog is starting to become
101 reasons I Love Susan !!!
I wish we could move on from her.
Shoresendz,
I completely agree. This whole Susan topic is really getting boring.
So far, this is the 3rd topic I've seen get hijacked to her.
There must be other parts about the case that are far more interesting than Susan.
heaven,
My self I am done posting or saying anything about.. You know who.
You are good at this case ..please start something new.
Open you windows, and yell, I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!"
Thank You .. I have had enought of that name forever.
I also do not care to hear that the world going to end in 2007.
It doesn't seem to matter what topics the Col starts.
All paths lead right back to Susan
Savage,
I think you have made your views regarding Susan, and the fact that you know her personally, abundatently clear. I mean no disrespect to you, but you're sounding like a broken record.
Three threads now you have preached how wonderful Susan is..
It's been done, done and redone...
I don't see why you have to keep telling us over and over and over that you know Susan. You're starting to remind me of Debra and how she has to keep reminding everyone that she has all of Sharon's belongings..
=)
Heaven , Amem to that you right he does sound like Debra. I am not going to read or respond to any more posts that talk about you know who.
Also this is a Tate- La Bianca blog not a political blog . so I also not going to talk about that either.
I never touch politics lol
"I know the human side of this woman, you don't."
Ok, you've told us.. We got it lol
I don't just "go by books".. I also go by what she says at her parole hearings...
What people choose to believe about Susan is their own business. Susan is safe and sound in prison (where she belongs) and doesn't really need a bodyguard.
If she was so concerned about what people were going to think of her, then she should have made better choices...
There are so many other interesting aspects to this case, Susan isn't one of them. My opinion.
"You'd be amazed at how much you don't know."
I don't want to know because I don't give a rats ass about Susan and her problems.. Again, my opinion...
She has become the focus of every conversation lately. Far more attention then I personally feel she is worth
*yawn*
"The Tangled Web of Charlie Manson"
I just read that it is very intresting..kind of werid how everyone ties together .
Am I reading this right Charlie sang with the Mamas and Pappas ?
60skid,
Where'd you find that book?
=)
Heaven
Audio had a link ..very intresting
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/wtc13.html
Thank ya kindly
=)
Oh ok,I've been there before, many times...
Lots of very good reading...
=)
Ok, back to the Leno's Black Book...to any cop worth his salt, and probably on the take too...the book would have to be worth something to somebody...perhaps with Mob connections? Not surprising it disappeared...as did all those videos from Tate too...if you believe that sort of thing...
The one video of Sharon and Roman making love, yes, but rumors ran rampant that there were others much more interesting that were taken by the cops and have never again seen the light of day.
I found the "seven degrees" fascinating Audio Magic, but it seemed too amazing to be entirely true. Angela Landsbury's daughter in the Family, hanging out with Charlie? It was very Buddhist, connecting everything together.
I also read that the cops put the pornos back in the house. I also seem to recall LIFE magazine did a spread when Roman went back to the house after the murders. Could one of the reasons for him going back be to retrieve the tapes?
Angela Landsbury's daughter in the Family..I have heard this before..heard she had a signed paper from Angela giving her permission to hang with The Family. Has any one ever heard what she said about the about Charlie or the rest of them.
Sib The Book The Family goes on and on about the tapes .But If anyone ever got those tapes. I would think you would see them on ebay by now.
Look at the pictures of Sharon last day ..the police took those pictures and Bill Nelson & Lisa Stedmen ended up with them.
So maybe Roman did destroy the tapes ..seeing as how they never turned up anywhere.
Heaven ,
I agree it was not one stupid thing she did .
9 people dead is one stupid thing..
I agree if it were my daughter or my son or my wife... a 45 is not out of the question. I often wondered ..why no one ever got her in prison.
I am going to call her "The Thing " from now on ..like she called Steven Parent. I can not even stand to hear her name anymore.
The Thing is were she belongs behind bars for ever.
I am sorry ever one..I know we will get 152 posts now defending The Thing
9 deaths would include the baby and Gary Hinman, who Susan testified to smothering with a pillow..
Susan said she murdered for 22 years, why should I believe she didn't...
These were not "stupid things"
UGH!!
Look what happened, again it's back to Susan..
I won't mention Miss Crotch Rot again....
=)
Heaven ,
9 deaths would include the baby and Gary Hinman, who Susan testified to smothering with a pillow..
Susan said she murdered for 22 years, why should I believe she didn't...
These were not "stupid things
Bingo That where I get 9
Heaven,
Look what happened, again it's back to Susan..
I won't mention Miss Crotch Rot again....
I know and like I said I am sorry..now it will be 152 posts defending The Thing with Crotch Rot
Sieben,
It is kinda funny the way Savage comes unglued at the thought of anyone disrespecting his girlfriend.. It does make me laugh, I admit it lol
I think if any of the victims could speak, a completely different story would be told...
Patricia gives the only account that I truly believe..
She says that "what's her face" was stabbing the hell out of Voyteck when she went over and got Tex. Tex also says the same thing..
I don't believe much of what Tex says, but I do believe Patricia.. If she said that "what's her face" was stabbing Voyteck all over his body, I believe her...
Patricia has never tried to recant any of her story. She has told the same exact version of events for the last 37 years...
It is kinda funny the way Savage comes unglued at the thought of anyone disrespecting his girlfriend.. It does make me laugh, I admit it lol
I agree it is funny
You think that i'm Zezo/Paul?
That's a real stretch if you ask me, don't you think so?
I am starting to believe he is her son my self
Ok, curosity peaked here, how are you all figuring Savage is the child of "what's her face"
=)
Ok, curosity peaked here, how are you all figuring Savage is the child of "what's her face"
We maybe its the way he goes on and on and on...about her .
Savage is on Leslie visitor List ..but says so little about her. Just about The Thing.
I think it's more that he's in love with her...
Why I'll never know...
LOL @ The Thing
Some people are attracted to convicted murderers, I'll never understand it, but they are...
think it's more that he's in love with her...
Why I'll never know...
LOL @ The Thing
Hell I would go to e Harmony .com first ..before I would take up with The Thing
Whats married got to do with being in Love with some one .
"SDA is a married woman."
That didn't stop you from slippin her the tongue.
Were your hands above the table or do I even want to know? lol
I'm curious Savage, how many Yahoo groups do you own that are dedicated to Spahn?
I count at least 5
=)
Gotcha!
Is that you in the picture? I assume it is...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SpahnMovieRanchTrip1/
What could there really be there to photograph, the place burned down ages ago right?
I'm a photographer by trade, so I can appreciate it...
=)
LOL Sieben..
That was funny!!
=)
Here's a few more...
"That was the thing I saw in the car"
"She sounded like an IBM machine, so I just started stabbing her"
"More you do it, the better you like it"
"We wanted to do a crime scene that would make the world stand up and take notice"
There's a Beatles album at Spahn?
The fire and elements haven't destroyed it? LOL
You misunderstood my question.. What is still left at Spahn that could be worth traveling to go see?
Ok, so you're going to talk like Manson now?
=)
I'm not a Beatles fan...
More of a Pink Floyd person, so I guess this will forever remain a mystery.
If it's any constellation to you, you don't look old enough to be Susan's kid...
Cool, I'm glad Larry will know.. That'll help since it was me who asked...
Could be an obsession maybe? Or that maybe you hear the ghosts of former family members callin to ya?
Or is it that you think the family is still together, and if you find the bottomless pit, you can join them? LOL
I did kinda hear that you believe Manson will get out of jail and he'll start Helter Skelter... While you and the "family" wait it out in the bottomless pit..
Do you really believe all this?
Manson is well into his 70's now. The guy will be wearing Depends pretty soon...
Cats,
There are no building there anymore, right?
I've never been there and have no plans to go anytime soon, if ever...
=)
Thank you Jane,
It made no sense as to why someone would hang around Spahn Ranch, but ummmm okie... lol
Yeah, it did burn down, ages ago..
So all that's left must be charred remains and desert...
If that's his picture on that Yahoo group, he doesn't look old enough to be Susan's kid. But I was never very good at guessing ages...
=)
Jane,
To me, if all the buildings are gone, I can't see traveling 3000 miles to look at dirt LOL
But that's just me...
I'd go to Barker and Myers cause there's actually things still there..
Besides all the garbage they left behind to polute the Earth...
=)
Savage dear,
You're the one who was quoting very bad, inaccurate movies. So who believes them?
=)
never did threaten sandy
i just said for her to leave erica blackwell alone, thanks savage i got it
SiebenzumSterben ,
CHRONICLES OF "STUPID THINGS" PEOPLE SAY
Chapter One--"I never killed anyone
Chapter One was great..I can not wait for Chapter 2 LOL
Now we need 3 lessons on hepatitis C?
What are we having a test on this
HAY SAVAGE I TALKED TO 60S KID LAST NIGHT ON THE PHONE SHE TOLD ME HER NAME WAS PAIGE U HAPPY NOW
http://360.yahoo.com/profile-hnp1iCMleq8bZ1xl7hfOUBMHs5yrgYtS0ZU-?cq=1
paiges web site
Just like the beatles song goes ...... "If you want it, here it is, come and get it" :-)
I always thought 60skid was Debra masquerading as a Liberal, but what do i know.
Don't sweat it Larry, She can't bitch about people coming to a blog page. After all, if she runs a website, who is she to say anything?
She can't prove sh*t anyway.
What ever you want to think..think it ..I sure do not want to come and get it..Save that for THE THING .
I am not complaining about the Blog ..just listening to you go on and on and on about The Thing
This is another thing that i find annoying. If you don't like Susan, that's fine and that's your business.
Why do you feel the need to get personal?
Because of The stuff she did ..Did she need to Call a 18 year old kid The Thing she murdered.. Now That is all I will ever Call her is The Thing
Savage,
I hate to jump in here, but I'm going to anyway...
Aren't you taking the mistakes that Linda made in her life, personally?
You make it sound like Linda did something to you personally...
Why is it you can say whatever you like about Linda, but no body can take shots at Susan?
Seems rather hypocritical to me.
the waters getting a little muddy. whos calling the kettle black
Savage,
Sorry about this being a delayed response to this thread but I have been away. Anyway, you say that it is none of our business about who you associate with or care about. Why is it then, that you put it on here for everyone to know? If it's none of our business, keep it to yourself.
(It snowed in San Diego today, that damn Linda K.)
Savage,
I'm sorry to break it to you, but you do not decide who goes to jail and who doesn't.
You have no right to tell anyone what they can and cannot say about Susan. You need to understand that not everyone is in love with Susan the way you are.
There are some who despise her and hopes she rots in prison. I'm one of them..
If someone wants to take shots at Susan, that's their right.
Linda not going to jail isn't really your business, you don't decide the laws or the prosecution deals.
If you don't like derogatory comments about Susan, you really have only two options...
Deal with it
Or
Start your own "I Love Susan" group...
No one is going to bow to you and worship Susan simply because you feel she's changed...
If others want to trash her, that's their right. You are the worst hypocritical "Christian" I've ever seen in my life.
I agree with Dr Dodopariti, if it's none of anyone's business why do you keep ramming her down everyone's throats?
Susan is the most evil, demented, sick, twisted, disturbed, disgusting piece of white trash I have ever had the displeasure of looking at.
I hope she dies in prison. Which I'm sure she will.
Damn, I feel better!
heaven u do have a way with words
Thank you Nellie...
Sometimes it just needs to be laid out on the table. I'm so sick of all the "Susan-is-wonderful" post's I could puke.
"You can thank Vincent Bugliosi"
I'd love too!
He put a bunch of murderers away. Nothing you ever say or do will ever change the facts that these 6 people were all murderers.
Like it our not, they all confessed to killing the victims. With the exception of Manson.
Bugliosi took them off the street so they could never hurt anyone again. I don't think he, or the general public, really cares if you don't like it...
It's so cold right now. The snow we got was very little and did not stick. But, it snowed in San Diego. Crazy huh! From my living room I can see the Pacific Ocean and from my family room I can see the mountains. Very beautiful, but cold. Savage I love NYC and go several times a year. I have my itch right now, but will wait until May.
savage national socialist said...
Nellieoleson,
>heaven u do have a way with words<
It's just too bad that the words don't form intelligent viewpoints.
You just don't like anyone trashing your girlfriend. If I agreed with you that Susan was wonderful, my viewpoints would be just hunky dorey to you...
Savage said
BACK AT YA...........
If you don't like derogatory comments about Linda, you really have only two options...
Deal with it
Or
Start your own "I Love Linda" group...
it goes both ways love.
I don't give a rats ass what you say about Linda. I just enjoy pointing you out as a hypocrite.
Catscradle77:
>I think in Sanders book, he mentioned that Peter FOlger paid something like 250,000 or more to witnesses to keep quiet...<
Did Sander's say why Folger paid that money out? Any ideas of what he wanted covered up?
Linda may not be an angel, but she never entered the Tate house and she never stabbed anyone. That's more than I can say for Susan.
It's not my job nor my mission in life to protect Linda agianst those that don't like her. So like I said, I don't care what anyone says about her. It's no skin off me...
But I'm personally sick of Susan being rammed down our throats in every friggin discussion.
Do you know any topics besides Susan, or do you eat, shit and piss the woman?
Linda may have had a better life in prison. She would have had no choice, but to be a better person. You really can't say Susan would have made better choices if it were left up to her. Susan's choice to be a better person came from the penal system.
savage national socialist said...
Heaven Said:
>You just don't like anyone trashing your girlfriend.<
She's not my girlfriend.
You sure as hell act like she is...
You don't like my "viewpoint" because it doesn't match yours.
I despise Susan, live with it.
You despise Linda, I really don't care...
See how easy it is?
If people are trashing Susan, ignore them. You constantly needing to defend her is not going to change anyone's opinion of her. It only keeps her name monopolizing every conversation.
Who cares if Sieb wants to shoot her? It's not like he's actually going to do it...
He has a right to his opinion, he doesn't like Susan.. So what?
If not liking Susan makes me a hypocrite, then I'm guilty.
I don't really care for any of these people, including Linda..
Again, it's not my mission in life to go to the ends of the earth to protect her...
My sympathy and my loyalty are with the victims, not the killers.
savage national socialist said...
Heaven said,
>Do you know any topics besides Susan, or do you eat, shit and piss the woman? <
I just reflect it all back you.
Your Manson quotes are becoming...... disturbing.
Savage,
We can bash these people all day long until the end of time, it's not going to bring the victims back...
Most people feel the killers (including Susan) are where they belong...
People like Susan need to remember that they made their bed, now they have to lie in it..
Or maybe it's better said that she's reaping what she sowed...
Why fight and argue with people over their opinions? It only makes them cling more to those opinions...
You have the right to love Susan, to visit Susan, to forgive Susan. But by that very same token, other's have a right not too.
It's not worth fighting over. Life's too short as it is...
savage national socialist said...
Where's Salem ?
4:59 PM
I think she got tired of seeing Susan's name in every post.
Maybe she's waiting for other topics to come up. If that's even possible.
Savage,
You're using a blanket statement...
Susan CONFESSED to slaughtering people... Even if she now "says" she didn't do it...
Look how she behaved right in front of the jury...
When do you ever stop blaming everyone else and start blaming Susan?
Do I need to remind you of the totally stupid things she did and said in front of the jury?
Steve played the role of idiot very well. He knew how to screw the system and did...
I do agree, Susan should have only been found of conspiracy in the Labianca's.. But she acted like a complete idiot in court. She hung herself...
Everyone should have been tried separately, but I guess they felt stronger in numbers. Susan fucked herself by not listening to her lawyer....
Steve got away with a lot more cause he knew how to play the game... He beat the rap...
But, he didn't act stupid in front of the jury...
Susan knew they were charging her with the Labianca's, and she did nothing to save herself...
In my opinion, she did every single bit of this to herself... You can't blame Bugliosi, or Linda or Susan's father....
This is all Susan and no one but Susan..
The faster she realizes that, the better off she'll be....
I realize that you feel Linda should have been put away for merely going along...
But, you have to remember that Linda didn't the Tate home, and she didn't stab anyone...
Susan did...
Linda was offered a damn sweet deal and she took it...
I would have taken it too.
Was she supposed to say..
"Thank you for the great deal, I'll testify truthfully, nailing these people, but I wanna go to jail anyway"
Be real....
Bugliosi took the lessor of the two evils...
Better to have Linda free than Susan, who was bragging and gloating about how great it was to murder people..
I'm sorry, but I can completely see where Bugliosi was coming from with this...
savage national socialist said...
Heaven said,
>Linda didn't enter the Tate home, and she didn't stab anyone...<
But she went to the Tate home *Knowing* that people were to die,
especially Voyteck in particular.
Thats what you think. But in court, it doesn't matter what people think, it's what you can prove.
No one could prove Linda knew anyone was going to die.
You can say Voyteck raped her, but there no proof anywhere to back it up.
" but being under the influence of Charles Manson had alot to do with it."
Again, that's where you're missing the point.
22 years after being put in prison, Susan began to change her story. 22 years away from Manson, away from the drugs, away from the whole lifestyle...
It's no wonder very few people believe her.
Her new story has more holes than swiss cheese...
You can't prove to a jury what doesn't seem to exist..
Just because a former family member says Voyteck raped her, it still doesn't prove he did...
I find it to be bullshit actually..
I don't believe for a moment that Voyteck raped Linda...
Sorry... I simply don't buy it...
I think it's just another attempt made by former family members to continue blaming the murders on Linda.
I agree with you on that last part..
It's been 37 years. Nothing will ever bring the victims back regardless of who's fault it was.
savage national socialist said...
What was the topic of this thread anyway? :-)
5:56 PM
I don't think there ever really was one lol
There are plenty of hypocrites on this board. There's Sieb with his .45 and 60skid and yourself included.
Oh I am hypocrite now ..Just because I do not like The Thing
Complain all you want about me calling her that..You say all the time.. we have rights to say what we want..I am exeriseing that right with calling her that.
why talk about sadie so much savage it is getting vary boreing quick, heaven help me
Hi Audio,
I see Savage has gone back and deleted most of his posts...
Makes me look like I've been talking to myself lol
=)
I see Savage has gone back and deleted most of his posts...
Makes me look like I've been talking to myself lol
=)
We all know you were not talking to your self
SiebenzumSterben
Go back to November 2005 blog Under desert_mouse read it ..he was starting with you about Leslie.
He will just change names and be back
60skid said...
SiebenzumSterben
Go back to November 2005 blog Under desert_mouse read it ..he was starting with you about Leslie.
He will just change names and be back
Ahh yes, that posting style/wording does look familiar...
60skid said...
SiebenzumSterben
Go back to November 2005 blog Under desert_mouse read it ..he was starting with you about Leslie.
He will just change names and be back
Ahh yes, that posting style/wording does look familiar...
Yes The savage stuff gives him away.. he also uses Anton Levy , Carlos The Jackal Savage and desert- mouse.
New Name tomorrow same stuff
Well, posting with multiple ID's just to agree with yourself isn't a new thing lol
=)
Heaven said...
Well, posting with multiple ID's just to agree with yourself isn't a new thing lol
That is true
heaven u do know who savage is right
If you delete your posts, it'll say deleted by author.. Cause you were the author lol
Nellie, no I don't know who Savage is...
=)
he had a yahoo group as jimmyny2003
Col Scott,
Are you ok..do we need to send a search party out for you ?
nellieoleson said...
he had a yahoo group as jimmyny2003
2:25 PM
Yeah, uummmm, that doesn't help me much LOL
=)
Yes I remember desert mouse. How many IDs does this wack job have? Amazing. He'll be back tomorrow as Man's son, most likely. Really needs to start his own blog about freeing the convicted. Won't be so lonely then...
Now that I told you all his Ids he has deleted them also. So he is still reading ..every one say Hi
60kids said
Now that I told you all his Ids he has deleted them also. So he is still reading ..every one say Hi
OMG that's too funny, he IS deleting them LOL
Heaven, Yes desert-mouse is gone you read that this morning. Anton is gone. Just Carlos The Jackal left
Delete ..delete..delete
How many ID's does one person need?
Is their argument so weak that they need that many ID's to defend it?
=)
jimmyny2003 had a yahoo group with alot of people in it and even the col posted then jimmy went wacko and deleted his group bret was in his group and he just went wack over leslie and sadie
Salem ,
He was asking for you ..the other day..but then he deleted his posts
Salem,
Welcome back..We missed you !!
hay salam ill talk to u the next time we play pool together
yepyep,
You didn't miss nothing, but I'll give you the minutes of the last meeting lol
Susan is wonderful
Linda is a monster
Susan should never have been locked up.
Linda is a monster
None of this was ever Susan's fault
Linda is a monster
Sabian is a gun toting hypocrite, who hates women.
Susan is wonderful
Linda is a monster
We're not to ever say anything harsh about Susan. The world revolves around her.
Linda is a monster
I think that just about covered everything...
=)
Heaven,
You forgot the Hep C Lesson and I was bad for Calling Susan 'THE THING"
Also The world is ending in 2007
Heaven loved the post Bingo you nailed it
You know I am worried ..Maybe evil Linda kidnaped Savage and deleted his posts.
Ummm...what the hell happened here while I was gone? Multiple Ids? Am I really only conversing with like one other person here?...
Jane,
The 2nd crucifiction of savage said:
"Also, Jesus had a tough sell spreading Christianity .... but i think we're all pretty glad he stuck to his guns :-)"
Not all of us.
Yesterday it was You Have Been Creepie Crawled
Heaven said: "You didn't miss nothing, but I'll give you the minutes of the last meeting lol"
LOL Thanks for that!
Now what's all this crucifixion stuff? Is Savage now claiming he's Christ?
Yep Yep
You know what they say You can run but you can not hide
Or The Bigger you are the harder you fall
Yep,
Yup I know those 60skid. Never suspected Savage had such illusions of grandeur, though. But nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to this case and the people around it LOL
I always thought Savage was a puppet for someone else.
Well it sure will not be boring anymore The Puppet Is back
60skid...
Maybe if we all lie really still, he'll just sniff us and go away...
=)
Heaven,
60skid...
Maybe if we all lie really still, he'll just sniff us and go away...
Yea Right ..but my self I am not intrested In round 2 with the puppet
Salem & Cat
think there was a red herring laid out for us
Oh a few I would say
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