Santa Anas whip up Valley firestorm |
2 homes destroyed; Bell, Box canyons ordered evacuated |
By Susan Abram and Josh Kleinbaum, Staff Writers LA Daily News |
CHATSWORTH - Hundreds of northwest San Fernando Valley residents were driven from their homes Wednesday night as the season's first serious brush fire raged across ridges and through canyons, fanned by searing Santa Ana winds. More than 700 firefighters battled the fast-moving brush fire, one of a series that flared up in the eastern Ventura County and Santa Clarita Valley areas. Towering orange flames lit up the region and a massive cloud of smoke was pushed southward by powerful winds. Two homes were destroyed and dozens of others were threatened as residents of Bell Canyon and Box Canyon were ordered to evacuate. Many sought refuge at Canoga Park High School and others hauled horses to safety at Pierce College. The Ronald Reagan Freeway was closed as the 3,500 acre fire engulfed it on both the north and south sides in Chatsworth, causing massive traffic jams across the Valley. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who cut short a terrorism simulation meeting in Lake Arrowhead to meet with fire officials in Chatsworth, praised the city's response to the blaze and the cooperation with other city and county agencies. "We have 700 personnel (fighting the fire) ... and we should have about 1,000 tomorrow, and if we need more, we'll have more than that in the morning," Villaraigosa told KCAL news from the fire line. "The sky is bright orange, and the last time we looked, we had emergency vehicles outside the house," Margaret Douglas said as she packed up family photos and her favorite artwork before evacuating her Bell Canyon home. One home destroyed in Box Canyon belonged to George Feo, who managed to escape as flames engulfed his house. "It caught fire while I was inside," he said in a cell-phone conversation captured by KCAL (Channel 9) "I was loading as much as I could (in the car) and I could see the flames in the house. We got out. I'm glad we got out." Victoria Manos, a 30-year resident of Bell Canyon who has lived through a number of evacuations, drove to the West Hills baseball field, where neighbors gathered to wait it out. "We didn't know we only had five minutes to get out. It was just enough time to pick up my dog and my cat, which isn't that good because I usually take photographs and documents and this time I couldn't." After the heavy growth of vegetation from last winter's near-record rainfall, authorities had warned repeatedly that the fire danger would be extremely high this summer and fall - warnings that prompted many residents to clear brush near their homes and prevent even more serious problems Wednesday, according to firefighters. With the season's first hot Santa Ana winds, officials' predictions came true with a vengeance as brush fires flared across Ventura, Riverside and San Bernardino counties, as well as the Valley. The Chatsworth fire - the day's most dangerous - started about 1:45 p.m. near Topanga Canyon Boulevard and the 118 Freeway and scorched hundreds of acres on its steady march over the Santa Susana Pass and hugging the county line along the canyons. A thick plume of smoke was visible from the Los Angeles Basin and ash from the fire was falling as far away as Westlake Village. As of late Wednesday, the fire was only 5 percent contained and officials did not yet know what had caused it. While weather forecasters said temperatures would cool and winds would die down, fire officials were still concerned about the winds and the likelihood that they would continue today. "We're going to be fighting this from the air and the ground, but we're going to be at the mercy of the winds," said John Mancha, a Los Angeles County fire inspector. "It's still going to be hot and we're still going to have the winds out there." Firefighters, aided by water-dropping helicopters, faced one dramatic moment after another as they tried to protect property and save lives. "The winds were so bad, you could see the flames jumping," said Kim McQuestion, who has lived in the Rocky Peak area for 17 years. "My friend who lives up there and was watering his front lawn said the flames had come up to the front door. And just as he said that, a helicopter dropped water on him." Residents who voluntarily evacuated the area gathered at Canoga Park High. Traffic quickly backed up on surface streets and other freeways as motorists struggled to find alternate routes home. Residents of homes in Chatsworth's rugged canyons lined Topanga Canyon Boulevard and spilled into local neighborhoods, anxiously watching the flames burning across the crest of the hills. "The challenge is that the terrain out there is all rock," Los Angeles County fire Inspector Andrew Olvera said. One firefighter, who was struck in the back by a falling 30-pound boulder as he battled the flames, was listed in stable condition at a local hospital. He was expected to be released late Wednesday. In southeastern Ventura County, a midday blaze of unknown origin raced over 30 acres of brush in Moorpark, closing night classes at the nearby community college. No structure losses or injuries were reported and the fire was fully contained shortly after 2 p.m., said Ventura County Fire Department spokeswoman Michele Faina. Today should see highs in the upper 90s in the Valley, slightly lower than Wednesday, and winds should fall to about 15 mph, a National Weather Service forecaster said. The Chatsworth fire was the first major brush fire in the San Fernando Valley this year, and it gave residents a stark reminder of the 2003 fire season, when wildfires burned through much of Southern California over a 10-day period. Ten major wildfires burned in five counties in October and November 2003, engulfing nearly 750,000 acres, burning 3,626 homes and 1,184 outbuildings, and killing 22 people. "It was in my backyard," Lisa Ryan of Simi Valley recalled of the 2003 fires. "I feel horrible; all these people are displaced. They're having to watch their homes burn to the ground. I know what they're going through. This is very sad." The fire near Moorpark College closed the college and threatened some nearby homes, but resulted in no structural damage or injuries, said Faina. That blaze broke out at Pecan Avenue. About 200 emergency personnel and two helicopters were on scene fighting that fire. At one point, Metrolink trains on the Ventura County line were ordered to slow to 20 mph between the Chatsworth fire and an area about one mile east of Simi Valley, a Metrolink spokeswoman said. Trains normally travel between 50 mph and 70 mph, meaning there will be delays of about 15 minutes on the line, she said. |
...Truth has not special time of its own. Its hour is now — always and indeed then most truly when it seems unsuitable to actual circumstances. (Albert Schweitzer).....the truth about these murders has not been uncovered, but we believe the time for the truth is now. Join us, won't you?
Thursday, September 29, 2005
Fires are Burning In the Hearts of All Men
Ask Him about the Other Murders
Manson follower Bruce Davis is denied parole
Other Manson disciples who are in prison have usually been denied reconsideration of parole for two-to-five years each time they appeared.
Sandi Gibbons, spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, said prosecutor Patrick Sequeira argued at the hearing Tuesday that Davis should be kept behind bars because of the heinous nature of the crimes.
Davis, now 62, was convicted along with Manson and others in the stabbing death of musician Gary Hinman in his Topanga Canyon home, and the slaying of Donald "Shorty" Shea, a one-time stuntman who lived at the Spahn movie ranch where Manson set up his commune. Shea's remains were later found buried near the ranch in Chatsworth.
Davis, who has been denied parole more than 20 times, was not involved in the 1969 murders of pregnant actress Sharon Tate, grocery store chain owner Leno LaBianca and his wife, Rosemary, and four other people. Manson and three women were convicted in those slayings. Davis surrendered on his murder charges during their trial and was tried later along with Manson and other defendants.
Wednesday, September 28, 2005
Nature Vs. Nurture
I am very seldom surprised by things.
As a researcher into the case the only things that surprise me are things I never thought about, or expected to come into contact with. Interviewing people like Brunner and Beausoleil, Stovitz and Kay- just seemed unlikely. To then become actual friends with some of them- well that surprised me.
A big surprise came out of the blue on March 5th of this year. I was at a Gallery in Los Angeles for an exhibit of paintings by Bobby Beausoleil. I've gotten to know Bobby and his lovely wife Barbara very well over the years. They are good people who wake up, struggle, and sleep just like the rest of us. Barbara was there with her grown children. There were three of them and their families. Nice, normal middle Americans.
I studied the paintings. They were good or very good. They reflected the interests of a man locked behind bars. I had spent several weeks in 1993 in a maximum security facility- I got to leave every night, thankfully. But I got to know dozens of inmates- and they just wanted to not be forgotten. Bobby's paintings reflected an interest in sex, machismo, and freedom. To be expected.
So I am sipping wine, chatting with the Master Archivist of the case, Jon Aesnihil, greeting Barbara's children, and everyone is as relaxed and normal as you would expect at an art opening. Except this opening is for a man notorious for a killing. But okay, well a swellegant party this is and all that.
When all of a sudden I see Barbara reach out and voraciously hug this small, slightly round, attractive woman in her early 30's. I get introduced. Her name is Jenet.
I am good at this case, really I am, but I can't immediately place the name. The pronunciation Barbara uses doesn't gibe with the phonics in my head. Or something.
Then she says, "Bobby's daughter."
Maybe it's the free wine we all have. But Bobby has a daughter? Tex had the conjugal visits. These other kids are all Barbara's from another marriage previous. Bobby's Daughter?
Holy Shit! I am slow.
"is Kitty your mom?" I find myself asking, surreally. Indeed she is.
This is the grown woman who as a baby was inside Kitty as she fled from Barker for her life. This is Bobby's actualy child who was born after he was arrested. OH MY GOD....
What the hell do I ask? What would you ask? She's a teacher of very young children. Just got divorced and it still obviously stung. Mom is in California and doesn't want to say too much. She has a child and they are relocating to Arizona or New Mexico or someplace like that. Etc.
Is she open? Not really. Very guarded. And indeed, she's not likely to have first hand information- she's kind of collateral damage, born after everything happened.
But the one thing I realize is- she's fine. She's just like you and me. Sort of like Michael Brunner. They are all normal people. Whatever the gene is, if there is a gene, it is not passed on.
In my head, that baby wild child is living in a tree in the woods somewhere. In reality she is a mom and a teacher with a life of her own who grew up with a dad she never knew.
I wish her nothing but the best.
An Ocean Full of Manson Bloggers
The Col Thinks it would be great if he inspired an Ocean Full of Bloggers about the Tate LaBianca Case. Just because we are the first and the Official one doesn't mean that others cannot join in. The hope is that someone like Ouisch or Grogan might catch the wave and join us. Daily updates from Scramblehead. Wouldn't that be exciting? Anyway here's a blog I discovered through the defunct and yet secretly active GoRightly Message Board- not much there but a start. GO GIRL, GO GIRL, GO GIRL!!!
This Person Casts Stones
Tuesday, September 27, 2005
Come and Listen to a Story
Here's one to think about. In all my numerous chats with Bobby Beausoleil, he sticks to the premise that Hinman was a drug dealer who burned him for MDMA/mescaline. And if he didn't, the Straight Satans biker gang SAID he did. In either case, Bobby needed to get the money to fix things FAST. So he went to Gary's house and the shit went down.
Now this is pretty seminal stuff- if not for Hinman, the rest of the many killings likely don't happen- at least the way that they did. So I ask Bobby for little nuggets....
He doesn't go alone. Mary Brunner goes with him. Because she had been to Gary's many times before.
But wait...Bobby had actually stayed there for a while. So he didn't NEED Mary. And if you have been following previous posts, I don't understand bringing two girls, young girls, with you when you want to pressurize somebody.
Now, Bobby tells me that Mary had an affair, on again, off again with Gary. Which is interesting because I thought he was gay. He definitely had some trouble with some of the young male piano students he taught.
There is no way anyone can ever explain to me what the hell loud mouth Sadie was doing there.
Bobby admits the killing, at least nowadays. DeCarlo was forced to testify against him by the BUG, and told some whopping lies, in my opinion. But Bobby killed him. They didn't "torture" him for three days, though they did hold him. It was a situation that got out of hand- worsened no doubt by Charlie's grandstanding ear-cutting ploy. And so Bobby ends up spending more time in jail for killing a drug dealer than anyone in American history. (and every time I type that I get yelled at for doing so- I am not speaking ill of anyone, and yes, Bobby was a dealer too- but my statement is still accurate).
I wonder if Bruce Davis kicks himself for going with Charlie that day. By all accounts he doesn't do anything, and yet this is one of the killings they get him for- not the many others people think he did!
But I just don't get it, and in my next conversation I will have to ask him- why bring girls to an extortion? He knew it might get out of hand. Why not bring Danny? Or Charlie?
It's the same problem with sending girls to Cielo. WHY do it if you really expect results?
A Twist of Roman
OLIVER TWIST- I saw the film Sunday night at the Academy. It is very well done, entertaining and enjoyable. Fagin is terrific and Oliver is well played. The guy who plays Bill Sykes sucks, and since you are only as good as your villain, this leaves the film somewhat lacking. While not the triumph of his last film THE PIANIST, it is a great time. Check it out. The most interesting bit for me was the last scene which I don't recall from precious films or the book. From Yahoo-
Polanski unveils new children's film Oliver Twist
Oscar-winning director Roman Polanski unveiled his latest film Oliver Twist admitting he was glad he had finally made a film his children could watch.
Speaking at a news conference ahead of the world premiere in Prague, the city where he filmed the 19th century Charles Dickens tale, Polanski said it was his wife who had mooted the idea of remaking Oliver Twist as he searched for a children's project after making the Oskar-winning movie The Pianist.
"My children like coming to watch me working but the result of my work escapes them. So I started looking for a subject that would be suited to them and with which they could identify," he said.
French-born Polanski said it was important that children realised life was not like that portrayed in fairytales and admitted he did not much discuss with his children his own childhood in a Polish Jewish ghetto, where he moved at a young age with his parents.
"I wanted to show them a world beyond our comfortable appartment. But I don't sit down with them and say 'this is how it was for me'. I don't dwell on it; I don't think it's healthy, I don't think it's necessary," he said.
"Maybe this is the kind of film that gives children something to think about. When I was a youth I liked to think about films after (seeing them at) the cinema," he added.
The film stars 11-year-old British actor Barney Clark as Oliver and Ben Kingsley as Fagan.
"Oliver Twist is a story of a boy who is swept (along) by adversity and who at the end manages to escape all the dangers. At the same time he does not lead destiny, destiny leads him," said the prolific creator of celebrated motion pictures as "Chinatown", "Rosemary's Baby" and "Tess" as well as "The Pianist".
Polanski said 19th century British literature had a very important relevance to today's universe and highlighted the period's writers' "fascination with the banal elements that influence our destiny".
"Human life is an endless series of such movements," he said.
Monday, September 26, 2005
Forsaken Fool
The major idiots at MANSON AND THE FAMILY, a KTS Yahoo Group, are at it again. This clown that goes by the name of Tanya spends post after post trying to clear up "dissenters" which I think are people that do not feel that Charlie deserves sainthood. I just waded through two hundred posts that SAID NOTHING. Enjoy her post below- she starts off sounding JUST like THE BUG and is too stupid to realize it!
Please do not spell my name wrong again. It's not that I have a big
problem with people spelling my name wrong but really it is right
there for everyone to see that it is spelled TANYA not TONYA. Thank
you.
I am not paranoid by far as everyone here can attest to that. A lot
of crap goes on in here and all of us are out to prevent it by what
ever means necessary. So if protecting this group and it's members
from attacks by outsiders and invaders that are out to cause nothing
but trouble in this group is being paranoid then maybe I am but as I
said everyone here can attest that I am not.
Yes you are relatively new here, but you have had nothing but an
attitude since you first started posting. This was quite evident to
me when I read all of your posts last night and extremely early this
morning. So if anyone here needs to calm down here it's you.
As a co-owner here and a moderator I have every right to make sure
that you are not some unsavory character out to bother us, if this
bothers you then well so be it, it bothers you, but it is nothing
that is going to be changed. Stay here and learn, I have no problem
with that, but I will make sure that you and everyone else are
someone who belongs here after I notice some suspicious things.
Especially after what just happened in here. This is something that
I am sure that you can understand.
Oh, and one more thing, What in the world does being a Texan have to
do with anything that we were talking about? Just curious.
Battle On
Tanya
Sunday, September 25, 2005
RED Doesn't want Out....
Manson's 'No. 1 girl'
Thirty years after being sentenced to life in prison for pointing a gun at President Ford, 'Squeaky' Fromme is locked in a Fort Worth cell, unrepentant and still devoted to the madman who helped put her there
By David Casstevens
Star-Telegram Staff Writer
On a September morning 30 years ago, Lynette Alice Fromme pointed a loaded pistol at Gerald Ford in a park outside the California State Capitol in Sacramento.
The gun didn't fire, but she was sentenced to life in prison for her crime.
No woman had ever attempted to assassinate a U.S. president.
Time and Newsweek put her on their covers.
The slender red-haired figure, who once shaved her head, gouged an "X" into her forehead and wore a crimson robe as a show of fervent devotion to convicted mass murderer Charles Manson, spent almost half her life in federal penitentiaries.
Fromme, now 56, is rarely heard from.
She hasn't been photographed in years.
Yet for those who remember the turbulent '60s and '70s in America, "Squeaky" Fromme is synonymous with Manson and his cult "family" and remains one of the most infamous, and enigmatic, female felons in the U.S. prison system.
This woman, who briefly escaped from a lockup in Alderson, W.Va., in 1987 -- she heard rumors that Manson was dying of cancer and wanted to see him -- has quietly served the past seven years behind the high fences and razor wire of the Federal Medical Center Carswell in Fort Worth.
Fromme became eligible for parole in 1985.
Unlike several of Manson's former disciples who remain in prison, she has chosen not to seek her release.
Why?
"Your question is reasonable and straightforward, but my answer is likely to only create more questions," Fromme replied in a recent letter to the Star-Telegram.
"No parole hearing has been held for me, because I haven't requested one. I stood up and waved a gun [at Ford] for a reason. I was so relieved not to have to shoot it, but, in truth, I came to get life. Not just my life but clean air, healthy water and respect for creatures and creation."
A prisoner serving life in a federal institution for a crime committed before 1984 is entitled by law to a mandatory parole hearing after 30 years.
But an inmate can waive that hearing and apply for release at a later date, according to the U.S. Parole Commission.
In her two-page letter, penned on lined paper in elegant cursive, Fromme wrote about the majesty of ancient California redwoods and respectfully spoke the name of one of America's most notorious criminals.
"Manson," inmate No. 06075-180 wrote, "told me he could give me a natural world ..."
Manson meet-up
Evicted from her home by a workaholic, authoritarian father, she found herself alone and adrift on the Venice Beach boardwalk in 1967. Fromme, 18, was staring at the ocean when they met.
In his biography Squeaky, author Jess Bravin wrote:
"He spoke in a strange, scratchy, flat Midwestern male voice. . . . 'What's the problem?' "
"What she beheld was an unkempt elflike man in a cap. He looked, she thought, like a hobo with a touch of class.
"Up in the Haight [the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco], I'm called the Gardener," he said by way of explanation. "I tend to all the flower children."
This middle-class Southern California teen, who was attending her first semester at a local junior college but who now had nowhere to go, impulsively picked up her few belongings and followed him.
Manson became a messianic figure for a hippie-era group of disaffected youth that lived for a time at an old movie-set ranch outside Los Angeles. His name came to symbolize evil after he was convicted of orchestrating the bizarre, execution-style slayings of actress Sharon Tate, who was eight months pregnant, and six others in Beverly Hills in August 1969. Fromme wasn't implicated in what came to be known as the Tate-LaBianca killings.
"Why he didn't ask her to come along [on the two murderous nights], I don't know," said Vincent Bugliosi, the Manson trial prosecutor and author of the true-crime bestseller Helter Skelter. "Squeaky was the No. 1 girl. Whenever Manson left the ranch, she was in charge. Maybe he thought she didn't have it in her.
"Turns out," Bugliosi said, referring to her assault on President Ford, "she did."
Manson and three of his handmaidens -- Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten -- received death sentences during their trial in 1971. Charles "Tex" Watson also was convicted in a separate trial. Their sentences were commuted to life in prison after the California Supreme Court struck down the state's capital punishment statute in 1972.
With Manson locked away, Fromme became the acting head of the family. She and another follower, Sandra Good, formed the International People's Court of Retribution, a fictional organization intended to frighten corporate executives into believing that they were on a terrorist hit list for polluting the environment. Good was later convicted for sending death threats through the mail and served 10 years in prison.
Fromme wrote her name into history on Sept. 5, 1975. The Manson "nun" dressed in a ceremonial red robe and slipped a borrowed .45-caliber pistol into a holster strapped to her left leg. As Ford greeted well-wishers outside the California statehouse, Fromme pointed the weapon at the president from a distance of two feet. A Secret Service agent wrestled away the gun and handcuffed her.
In his autobiography, A Time To Heal, Ford wrote, "Squeaky Fromme, I thought, was an aberration. There had been misfits and kooks in every society since the beginning of time. I didn't think California harbored a larger number of these people than any other part of the country, so I wasn't overly concerned about my personal safety when I returned to the state on Sept. 19."
On Sept. 22 -- 17 days after Fromme confronted Ford -- 45-year-old Sara Jane Moore fired a revolver at the president in San Francisco. A bystander deflected her aim. Ford was unhurt.
Fromme's inquest began two months after her arrest.
"I've never been in a trial like it," recalled John Virga, Fromme's court-appointed attorney.
His client claimed she could not be tried fairly unless allowed to call Manson as a witness. "Your Honor," Fromme said,
". . . it's going to get bloody if they are not allowed to speak."
Judge Tom MacBride refused to give Manson a public platform from which to rant about the injustice of his murder conviction or to preach his apocalyptic vision.
Fromme boycotted most of the court proceedings.
Virga argued during the three-week trial that Fromme had no intention of shooting the president and only wanted publicity for her concerns about the environment and efforts to free Manson. Her weapon had four bullets in the clip, but the chamber was empty. To fire the pistol, the defendant would first have had to pull back the slide on the gun, forcing a bullet into the chamber.
"If she had wanted to kill Ford, she would have killed him. Absolutely," Virga said, 30 years later.
The jury deliberated for three days. Fromme became the first person convicted under a special federal law covering assaults on U.S. presidents that was enacted after the 1963 assassination of John F. Kennedy.
At sentencing, as U.S. Attorney Duane Keyes recommended severe punishment because Fromme was "full of hate and violence," the defendant hit him with an apple.
"I didn't know what it was at first," Virga recalled. "I was standing between them. Fromme took a step to the right and let it fly. Nolan Ryan couldn't have thrown a more perfect strike. Hit Duane right between the eyes. His glasses flew off. After that, guys in [Keyes'] office started giving him a box of apples for Christmas.
"She's very bright, an intelligent, pleasant woman," Virga said of the defendant, whom he hasn't spoken with since the trial. "She's anything but crazy. When you talk with her, everything is fine until you mention Manson. Then it's like the guy who is perfectly normal until he hears 'Kokomo, Indiana.' Then he is off and running . . ."
From the bench, the judge, who died in 2000 at age 85, addressed the defendant. "I believe the only way to deter you . . . is to separate you from the society with which you cannot agree and the society from which you've already crossed yourself out, by your own admission, by the X on your forehead . . .
"It is the sentence of this court that you be imprisoned for the term of your natural life."
A cell in Fort Worth
The federal prison sits alone, off Desert Storm Road, adjacent to the Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth.
It is a sober structure, a fortress, painted institutional gray. Coils of concertina wire gleam like silver bracelets in the sun.
FMC Carswell, which opened in 1994, has an inmate population of 1,411.
Thirty-one prisoners are serving life sentences.
The facility also serves as the Bureau of Prisons' major medical psychiatric referral center for female inmates. Fromme is segregated from the general prison population, housed in the institution's Administrative Unit, the nation's maximum-security unit for female prisoners.
Deborah Denham, FMC Carswell executive assistant, said the 43-bed unit provides a "controlled setting" for inmates with a history of escapes or attempted escapes and those involved in repeated incidents of assaultive or predatory behavior.
Fromme has crossed the country, moving from prison to prison. Four years into her sentence she struck another inmate with a claw hammer inside a federal lockup in Pleasanton, Calif. She went to Alderson, where Martha Stewart served five months. The system moved her to Lexington, Ky., and later to Marianna, Fla.
She came to Carswell on May 21, 1998.
Her world is a two-person cell, measuring about 8 feet by 12 feet. Her wardrobe is a drab khaki uniform.
Like other inmates in her unit who are physically able to work, she earns from 12 to 40 cents an hour and is assigned to one of the prison work details -- orderly, library clerk, laundry room, food service.
She is allowed to watch a community television and has access to the unit's recreation yard.
All incoming mail is opened by staff and checked for contraband.
Manson, who is 70 and being held inside a California state prison, has reportedly received more mail than any other criminal in U.S. history. Web sites that sell crime collectibles and memorabilia offer an assortment of Manson family items, including Manson's parole hearing videos (his application for release has been denied 10 times) and strands of the criminal's hair.
"Manson hand-written letter initialed CM in Manson's own blood! One of a kind, $2,500."
One Web site offers a collection of knives reportedly owned by Fromme and Sandra Good.
Last year Fromme made it to the Broadway stage. In the musical Assassins, actress Mary Catherine Garrison, as Fromme, sang a love song with an actor portraying John Hinkley, who stalked actress Jodie Foster and shot President Reagan.
Today, Bugliosi is writing a book about the JFK assassination. He said he doubts Fromme will ever leave prison, "especially since she has refused to renounce Manson. She's a hard-core member of the group."
Fromme's biographer has his own view.
"To get paroled you have to say you're sorry, you did wrong," Bravin said. "For her, [an apology] may be too high a price. She has said all along she did not intend to kill Ford. Staying in prison is a way of remaining true to her position."
In her 35-line letter to the Star-Telegram, Fromme wrote: "California redwoods are living monuments to centuries past. Standing beneath those trees you know you are a part of something bigger and older than yourself.
"Manson told me he could give me a natural world. Almost forty years ago he told me that money should work as hard for people as people work for money. He was talking about air and water, land and life.
"I don't know how it can be done so I'm just waiting. I would work hard for and invest in a world like that because it would support not just me but the continuum of generations to come.
"I can't say what I will decide to do in the future, but for now I'm here."
"No parole hearing has been held for me because I haven't requested one. I stood up and waved a gun [at Ford] for a reason ..."
Wednesday, September 21, 2005
What did Charlie Actually SAY?
In order for the BUG to get Charlie he had to show CONSPIRACY.
I'd like to list what he actually said to people.
And remember- these people want to get OUT- and yet they do not lie about what he actually said.
To Bobby- "You know what to do. Be a man."
To Sadie- "Get a change of clothes, go with Tex and do whatever Tex tells you to do."
To Tex- "Go up to Terry Melcher's old place. Make sure to leave a sign."
I don't know- even today NOBODY is saying he said "Take a knife and go butcher some innocent people."
Weird. But then I am not a brilliant attorney like BUG.
Who's The Lamest One of All?
Lost Soul asks me about a bookmark to the Grandaddy of us all, the old Clark Ronson/Scott Nelson message board. I don't have it. Do any of you? She would like to check it out via Wayback Machine. I don't think that works for Message Boards, but it is worth a try.
I DO have a link for one of the sites that splintered from that board, a site so lame it makes candygramma look educated. It was run by Linda Mann, aka Frontera, a Sadie supporter who would allow no facts on her board. It seems to have died over a year ago, but some of the posts are hilarious in their inaccuracy. Check it out. If you are gonna support Sadie, then you must have a problem in my opinion, and the people here sure did. WHEAT!
Gender does not Affect Brains
Yesterday's post about the retarded owner of "Manson and the Family" brought this reply.
The owner of the blog---http://tatelabianca.blogspot.com/
and the MOLE that is in this group for putting US on your front page..
You are right I do not know all there is to know about Manson and the family-- I dont HAVE to know everything or anything...but at least I know what a gramma is-- gramma =female and grampa=male,what a dunce you are for not knowing the difference I am not a HE.
I am an owner of several CRIME RELATED groups,doesnt mean I know about everyone of the criminals that are being convicted..
But I am glad you have nothing else to do in your sad little world that you have to have someone join a group just so YOU can get discussions in YOURS.. How sad!!But hey-- feel free to do so-- just like you can take things from here-- I can take things from there and post here..
If you are against Manson and Family why not join Killed the Sixties?? ---http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KILLEDTHESIXTIES/
or view here:
http://users.adelphia.net/~mansonmurders/
Now you have a really great day-- and keep me on the front page-- I feel so honored.....
cg (female)
Second, YES, if you are the moderator of a group that is about a subject you should have enough knowledge to know who Barbara Hoyt was. She isn't a minor character. You know who Rabbitt is, who means SHIT to this case, but not her? Moron.
My group has all the discussion we need, thank you babycakes. We don't always agree but we are accurate and have first hand knowledge from interviewing principals. The only principal you know is the one that flunked you out of high school.
Sorry about your gender rage- I never stopped to think about whether you were a he or a she. In general I find girls to be better educated than men, so I assumed the ignoramous in charge (you) must be a guy. Sorry. Thank you for establishing that the education levels in the US are just as low for girls as for guys.
Now go back to your poorly spelled posts and meaningless life.
Tuesday, September 20, 2005
Your Stupidity is Showing
There is this Yahoo group that is even more retarded than KTS. It is called "Manson and the Family". There is a hilarious poster there named Pammie who is taking the piss out of everybody and they are too stupid to get it. Gia, who sounds like somebody who got kicked out of KTS is there, moderating (badly). A baboon who claims to be White Rabbit is there using bizarre typeface and inconclusive information. And my favorite, "candygrammar", who owns the group and doesn't know shit from shinola. I picture him looking like the photo to the left.
I mean today he asked who Barbara Hoyt was and who Simi Valley Sherri was. The clown owns a Manson discussion group and has never read a book or even googled the case. LAME.
My favorite is the back and forth dicsussion about HOW the Bug "got" Charlie. Whether he should have or not, HOW he got him is simple. It has nothing to do with the "felony murder rule" one of the posters is discussing. As a disbarred attorney myself I'll make it crystal clear in one sentence.
Under the law, all the members of a conspiracy are equally guilty of the crime committed. Simple.
Check the place out. The education level in America really is low.
Monday, September 19, 2005
Get Their License Number !!!!
I look for the truth in the details, where God is supposed to be. That was why I questioned the driver's license explanation for the presence of Kasabian on the night of the murders.
It never made sense to me that the killers, finished with five murders, stopped to get hosed down- and then almost get caught. Like another second or two and they were busted.
The only first hand explanation I've ever read comes from Tex's book... and doesn't compute. It doesn't occur to you to kill the guy when he's trying to hold you for the cops, MINUTES after you kill a houseful of strangers?
So many things we will never know....
From his book----
Linda turned off Benedict Canyon onto Portola Drive, one of the winding side streets, looking for a place where we could wash. Finally we saw an exposed hose. As we poured the water over ourselves, drenching our hair and clothes, a man and woman suddenly appeared at their door in bathrobes, asking us what we were doing.
I put on my Texas accent, saying we had just been walking and needed a drink. As we ran back to the car, the man followed us, his wife shrieking, "Get the license number; get the number!" from the doorway. In my rush I flooded the engine, and as I struggled to get the car started again the old man came up to my window and stuck his hand in, grabbing for the keys. I managed to crank up the glass and drive off, leaving him shouting after us in the middle of the road. For some reason it never occurred to any of us to try to kill him-he didn't live on Cielo Drive.
Thursday, September 15, 2005
The Body in The Basement (Other Murders/Unsolved #2)
From the bestelling novel (lots of fiction) HELTER SKELTER:
"With three exceptions, these are all the known murders which have been proven, or are suspected to be, linked to the Manson Family. Are there more? I've discussed this with officers from LAPD and LASO, and we tend to think that there probably are, because these people liked to kill. But there is no hard evidence.
"As for those three other murders, two of them occurred as late as 1972.
"On November 8, 1972, a hiker near the Russian River resort community of Guerneville, in Northern California, saw a hand protruding from the ground. When police exhumed the body, it was found to be that of a young man wearing the dark-blue tunic of a Marine dress uniform. He had been shotgunned and decapitated.
The victim was subsequently identified as James T. Willett, twenty-six, a former Marine from Los Angeles County. This information appeared on radio and TV newscasts on Friday, November 10. {Page 26 Cal.3d 800}
On Saturday, November 11, Stockton, California, police spotted Willett's station wagon parked in front of a house at 720 West Flora Street. When refused entry to the house, they broke in, arresting two men and two women and confiscating a number of pistols and shotguns.
"Both women had Manson Family X's on their foreheads. They were Priscilla Cooper, twenty-one, and Nancy Pitman, aka Brenda McCann, twenty. A few minutes after police entered the residence, a third female called, asking to be picked up and given a ride to the house. The police obliged, and also arrested Lynette Fromme, aka Squeaky, twenty-four, ex-officio leader of the Family in Manson's absence.
"The two men were Michael Monfort, twenty-four, and James Craig, thirty-three, both state prison escapees wanted for a number of armed robberies in various parts of California. Both had the letters 'AB' tattooed on their left breasts. According to a spokesman for the state Department of Corrections, the initials stood for the Aryan Brotherhood, described as 'a cult of white prison inmates, dedicated largely to racism but also involved in hoodlum activities, including murder contracts ....'
"While in the house, the police noticed freshly turned earth in the basement. After obtaining a search warrant, they began digging, and early the following morning exhumed the body of Lauren Willett, nineteen. She had been shot once in the head, her death occurring either late Friday night or early Saturday morning, not long after the identity of her slain husband was revealed on the news broadcasts.
"Questioned by the police, Priscilla Cooper claimed that Lauren Willett had killed herself 'playing Russian roulette.'
"Although, like Zero, Mrs. Willett was not able to contradict this story, the Stockton police were far more skeptical than had been LASO. The three women and two men were charged with her murder.
"They were scheduled to go on trial in May 1973. On April 2, however, four of the five surprised the Court by entering guilty pleas. Michael Monfort, who pleaded guilty to the murder of Lauren Willett, was sentenced to seven years to life in state prison. Superior Court Judge James Darrah also ordered consecutive terms of up to five years and two years for James Craig, who had pleaded guilty to being an accessory after the fact to murder and to possessing an illegal weapon, {Page 26 Cal.3d 801} i.e., a sawed-off shotgun. Both girls also pleaded guilty to being an accessory after the fact, and both Priscilla Cooper and Nancy Pitman, aka Brenda, who Manson once indicated to me was his chief candidate for Family assassin, were sent to state prison for up to five years.
"* * *
"Monfort, and an accomplice, William Goucher, twenty-three, subsequently pleaded guilty to second degree murder in the death of James Willett, and were sent to state prison for five years to life. Craig, who pleaded guilty to being an accessory after the fact to the murder, was given another prison term of up to five years.
"The motive for the two murders is not known. It is known that the Willetts had been associated with the Manson Family for at least a year, and possibly longer. Police surmised that Lauren Willett was killed after learning of the murder of her husband, to keep her from going to the police. As for the murder of James Willett, the official police theory is that Willett himself may have been about to inform about the robberies the group had committed."
Wednesday, September 14, 2005
I Walk The Line
Tuesday, September 13, 2005
Scream Test
While we review the appeals statements for you, we found a nugget that I don't think I have seen anywhere before.
During the Shea trial, Charlie wanted to conduct a "Scream Test" to see if the myopic Barbara Hoyt could really have heard Shorty's screams.
Considering the fact that I believe she DID hear them, just not remotely WHERE she said she did, it might have been a valuable test.
Aww who am I kidding. Charlie was just being a card. A cut-up. You know.
Manson claims that the trial court committed reversible error because it denied his request to conduct a "screaming lineup" in the presence of the jury at the Spahn Ranch to determine whether or not Hoyt was truthfull when she testified that she heard Shea screaming late at night in the latter part of August 1969. Manson wanted to use a "group" of people in the test. For obvious reasons Shea would not have been one of the group.
In effect, Manson wanted to conduct an experiment. The trial court's discretion to refuse an experiment is very broad Experiment evidence may be rejected if it consumes an undue amount of time. Before such experiments are permitted, it must be established that the conditions will be substantially similar.
In People v. Spencer (1922) 58 Cal.App. 197 [280 P. 380], the prosecution was permitted to produce evidence of an experiment that it would have been possible for a witness at one designated point to hear a woman screaming at another designated point. In Spencer, supra, the prosecution did not seek to identify the screaming of a particular individual but just the fact of screaming generally. However, that was not the purpose of Manson's motion in the case at bar. His motion was to conduct a screaming lineup to establish that the witness would not have been able to identify the screams of a particular designated person (Shea) who would not have been in the lineup.
The fact, if it be a fact, that the witness might or might not have been able to identify the screams of one or even several persons would have no probative value as to whether or not she would have been able to identify the voice of Shea had he been in the lineup, or more importantly whether she identified the voice of Shea on the particular night in question. The identifying characteristics of individual human voices are very disparate. The ability to identify the voice of a particular individual depends upon the characteristics of that individual's voice and the familiarity of the witness with that individual's voice. Identification or failure to identify one human voice does not necessarily prove or disprove the ability to identify another human voice. Furthermore, experiment evidence must be conducted under substantially similar circumstances. Here Hoyt heard Shea scream late at night. It is a matter of common knowledge that background noises are usually at a minimum and that sounds usually carry better and are more distinct late at night. "The still of the night" is more than a poetic phrase. Atmospheric conditions may well be different at different times of the day. To grant Manson's request, therefore, the jury would have been required to go to the Spahn Ranch late at night in order to have the experiment conducted under substantially similar conditions. Furthermore, since the precise place of murder was unknown to the prosecution and court, the court {Page 71 Cal.App.3d 45} would have been unable to determine whether or not the persons who would be doing the "screaming" would be at the point where Shea was when he screamed and was heard by Hoyt. The trial court, in the exercise of its sound discretion, may refuse such experiment under dissimilar circumstances and where the trial would have been unduly disrupted.
If so-called scientific voice print experiments are not admissible in evidence it is clear that the court did not abuse its discretion in the case at bar by refusing the request for a "screaming lineup." Certainly no abuse of discretion is shown here.
....And the Rest, Are Here on Gilligan's Ranch
Did you ever wonder how some of the minor members of the Family fit in to the equation? I did. Whatup Country Sue? How're ya Randy?
Ella Jo Bailey, pictured here, with the unflattering profile was a definite member of the Clan Manson. She's mentioned everywhere, though this is the only picture I could dig up. She testifies against Manson at his Hinman trial. Doesn't say much before or after that. The appeals court for that trial summed up her testimony later thusly---
Ella Jo Bailey testified for the People that she had known Manson since 1967 and travelled extensively throughout the southwestern United States with him, Mary Brunner, Patricia Krenwinkel and Lynne Fromme, and that they moved to the Spahn Ranch in 1968 where she met Davis and Beausoleil. Several times during May and June 1969, Manson talked to Bailey and others about "going out" to get money to buy dune buggies to go to the desert to live. In July of 1969 Manson talked to several members of the family about the need to get money and names were discussed of various persons from whom they could get money. Hinman's name was discussed and the fact that he owned a house and stocks and bonds. On July 26, 1969, Manson told Bailey and Bill Vance that he wanted them to go to Hinman's house and persuade him to join the "family" or sign over all of his property and automobiles. Vance said he had better things to do and walked away. That night at about 6 p.m. Bailey saw Manson talking to Beausoleil and Davis. Beausoleil had a knife (People's exh. 18) and Davis had a nine millimeter Radom gun (People's exh. 30). Subsequent investigation by officers established that Davis had purchased the gun under an assumed name. Bailey saw Brunner and Atkins dressed in dark clothes. Bailey saw Brunner, Atkins, Beausoleil and a fourth unidentified person drive off in {Page 71 Cal.App.3d 14} a ranchhand's car which was driven by the fourth person. Davis was still in the parking lot.
Two nights later Bailey saw Brunner and Atkins drive up to the Spahn Ranch in a Volkswagen microbus which Bailey had previously seen in the possession of Hinman. Bailey went with Brunner in the microbus to a eucalyptus grove on the Spahn Ranch. Bailey observed that there was no key in the microbus and the ignition wires had been wired together. On the seat of the microbus Bailey saw a purse with $27.64 in it. With Bailey's help, Brunner wiped off the microbus. The next morning Bailey saw Hinman's Fiat station wagon at the Spahn Ranch. Later that morning Bailey saw Manson in the presence of about six other people carrying a sword. Bailey testified:
"Charles [Manson] stated that after the phone call had come to the ranch asking for help, he and Bruce Davis had gone to Gary Hinman's house, and he stated at the time that they arrived, Mary [Brunner] and Sadie [Atkins] and Bobby [Beausoleil] had gotten the gun back away from Gary Hinman.
"He stated that he had words with Mr. Hinman, and they had a heated argument, and then it became necessary for him to quiet Gary Hinman down, and he stated that he used a sword and cut Gary Hinman from his left ear down to his chin. ...
"He also said that he had quieted Gary down, and the girls put Gary in bed, and that Mr. Hinman asked for his prayer beads and after that he said that he had left Bobby to finish up. ...
"He said that two or three shots had been fired at the house. He also said that Bobby was foolish to ever let Sadie hold the gun on Mr. Hinman. ...
"He said that all they had gained from going to Gary's house were the two vehicles and around $27."
So we know that EVENTUALLY Ella decided to work with the Man and bring the thing down. After everybody ALREADY had death sentences, mind you!
But not because she was a fine upstanding girl mind you- further on in the appeals statement we get the explanation-
Monday, September 12, 2005
And this Little Pic went to Market
There is a new book just out called DREAM A LITTLE DREAM OF ME- The Life of Cass Elliott.
You can buy it here. We don't get any money from it, but it is a VERY well researched book. Maybe I'll review it later.
Anyway, here is the pertinent stuff from the book for TLB. Pic Dawson is a drug dealing friend of Cass' in the book. He is also mentioned in detail in Sanders and I think the Bug's book.
I'll just point out that a variation of this theory is what I believed actually occurred. No bullshit race war stuff.
But read the excerpt- I just had my assistant type it for you. You will learn from it more than you will from anywhere else today.
In the immediate aftermath of the horrific murders, nobody had any idea who might have committed such violence, nor what their motive might have been. It would be months before the truth was discovered and in the meantime an atmosphere of panic, fear, and paranoia swept through the canyons. The openness and trust that had previously existed, particularly at Cass's, was replaced with suspicion and concern. With the very real possibility that the murderer or murderers might strike again, most of the previously peace-loving musicians and actors lost no time in equipping themselves with some sort of protection whether it was a handgun, a rifle, or a guard dog. As the police began what would turn into months of investigation, they began questioning virtually everyone who had known the victims and, in the absence of a clear motive, almost anyone was open to suspicion. "Weeks went by when no one knew what had happened," recalls Mike Sarne. "And the police interviewed absolutelyimmense feeling of paranoia with everyone having their own little pet theories." everybody – a few times. My phone was tapped. And so from then on there was an
Having regularly played host to some of the less decorous characters on the scene, Cass was subjected to particularly intensive questioning by the police. Apart from having known the victims – which half of
The other major rumor ricocheting through the Hollywood Hills, which is still cited by many, all these years on, concerned Doyle. It was known at the time that Folger and Frykowski had a penchant for cruising Sunset Strip and bringing home young men. After drugging them, they would tie them up and film them. Some weeks before the murders, as the tale goes, they had a spectacular falling out with Doyle over a business deal gone sour and had decided to exact revenge not only by doing what they usually did to their pick-ups but by flogging him in front of an invited audience. They apparently recorded this on film. The story then goes that when Doyle realized what had happened, he was, according to Monkee Peter Tork, who was living in the canyons at the time, "murderous." Raging, Doyle insisted he would kill Folger and Frykowski. Wary that he might carry out his threat, a similarly macho friend chained him to a tree in Cass's garden to calm him down before hauling him onto a plane out of the country. In the light of Doyle's oft-repeated claims that he had killed a man and his overall hard-core machismo stance, it is easy to understand hoe an episode like this might have been considered sufficient motive for him to have committed the murders. "If they were gonna do that to Billy," says Tork, "they wanted to die! That was death-provoking. It was a murderously dangerously thing to do!"
Eventually, after months of rumor and speculation, both Doyle and Dawson were cleared of suspicion and Charles Manson, a thirty-five-year-old ex-convict, fraud, pimp, and conman with a Jesus fixation, and his "family" of (mostly young and female) followers were revealed as the murderers. Manson had a talent for attracting the young and dispossessed and he had somehow managed to brainwash his acolytes into accompanying him on his nihilistic quest for supposed salvation and power through murder. Manson and his crew had been frequent visitors to Cass's house, taking advantage, like so many others, of the plentiful food, drugs and generally laid-back, hospitable atmosphere. But Cass was not the only one who had played host to him and his acolytes, unaware of what would ensue. Although in the aftermath of the murders, few would admit to any link, many prominent figures in the Los Angeles rock community had not only socialized with Manson and company – particularly his harem of young women, who made themselves readily available to anyone who was interested – but developed closer associations with them. As Neil Young later remembered, "A lot of pretty well-known musicians around
Because of Cass's connections to the case, meanwhile, when it finally came to court, she was subpoenaed as a witness, as was John Philips, who was also a good friend of both Polanski and Dennis Wilson. The police had found sheet music to the Mamas and the Papas "Straight Shooter" propped up on the music-holder of the baby-grand piano in the living room of
One Pill Makes You Stupid
The sad little fool to the left is Larry Melton, known to many as White Rabbit. He was not a very well known member of the Family, a fringe player at best. That photo was not taken back in the day but was actually a recent thing. Scary. Allegedly Melton specialized in sex with underage girls. I bet they just flocked to that lovely face.
For some reason I got more than one email asking about him this weekend. Yahoo KTS has someone talking about him and Yahoo Manson and The Family has some argument going on about him.
He shows up briefly in Sander's mess of a book THE FAMILY and is referenced in GoRightly's unsold book THE SHADOW OVER SANTA SUSANA PASS. Most experts in the case, including the Col, don't think much about him because he doesn't know anything, is a fool, and is a waste of time.
The only interesting thing he ever did was take one time Case Expert and one time registered sex offender Bill Nelson and convince him he knew where there were three bodies buried behind Barker Ranch. Likely some of the 35 other murders The Bug keeps accusing the Family of without prosecuting anyone for. So Nellie got the Park Rangers and wasted a lot of time and money to dig up a lot of sand. July 27, 1998.
Nellie's explanation? "We had to." Uh huh. Read about it HERE .
If you wanna see what happens when a loser like Rabbit tries to take on Sandy Good, try here .
The big nothing wherein Nellie "busts" Mrs. Watson is HERE. Ha!
No I don't know where he is nor do I care.
He has managed to fool a lot of fools. Good for him.
He has nothing relevant to add to the study of TLB. Back down the hole Rabbit. The a**hole!
[[Edited- what Nelson said in 1998 about Rabbit ("Snitch") FUNNY STUFF!
THE MANSON SNITCH: It almost seems sacrilege doesn't it? A snitch in the Manson family? But it is true. What has he told me, the Inyo County District Attorney Chief Investigator, the Inyo County Sheriff Office, the Park Rangers? He testified he saw Charles Manson shoot three teenagers, right between the eyes...bam - bam - bam! It was just before the October 10 & 12, 1969 raids at Barker Ranch. The three teens, two boys and one girl, tried to leave the Manson family. After getting about a mile down Golar Wash, Manson sent Bruce Davis after them to bring them back. Manson told the snitch, Susan Atkins and Bruce Davis to dig a hole. When the hole was dug, several feet deep, Bruce Davis said, "That's enough." All three diggers went around the Barker Ranch house and let Manson know the grave was ready. There was a conversation between the three teens and Manson. After Manson shot them, the snitch and Bruce Davis carried the first boy to the grave. Then Bruce and Sadie brought the other boy to the grave and they returned for the girl. All three victims were in the same grave.
The snitch guaranteed me and the Inyo County officials he could lead us to the sight. He changed his mind at the last minute and bailed out on us. Many hours of digging up at Barker, with the Death Valley heat up around 123 degrees.
After the snitch returned to his probation state he told me he got XXX at the cops. "F--- em!" said the snitch. I assure you the law enforcement officials gave him the utmost courtesy during his four day visit to California. He received a free flight. His room was paid for and he got money for meals. They even treated him professionally after they figured out he had bailed on them. The snitch has no right to complain. He chose not to honor his agreement with the Inyo County officials. He even received immunity in writing. All he was required to do was tell the truth. He did not. We were concerned about his safety. Would he be threatened by loyalist of the Manson clam? Could he be killed? Perhaps. We fear for him no longer. The snitch decided to make duplicate prints of his photographs while in California. He has forwarded a set to none other than Sandra Good, better known as Blue. He also did another strange thing. He signed the guest book at Barker Ranch with his given name in the Manson family. If he were afraid for his life, he blew the opportunity to remain safe. PHOTO ALBUM
He was a real member of the Manson family. He even asked the officers who interviewed him if he could change his clothes. He came back with a Manson shirt on. He had also made a new X in his head to honor his visit to California to snitch against Charlie.
He may know about Marina Habe. He claims to know about Doreen Gaul and James Sharp. He does know about Zero and why he was murdered. But he has lost his place as a snitch. He lied. The one thing a snitch has to offer is truth. Take that away, and he gives up his value for information. It did not have to be that way, but as my friend Doris Tate said often, "Once having chosen there is no turning back."
An e-mail writer told me where Cappy and Ansome had moved following the death of T.J. I told the snitch where they are believed to be, and he is transferring his probation from his state to California. It was a costly ordeal to the Inyo County law enforcement officials. They did not deserve it. The snitch even asked me to write Mr. Bugliosi and tell him of his information. I did so, and Mr. Bugliosi called me the night after I returned from Death Valley. I had informed Deputy D.A. Kay at his request too. We were all so hopeful.
Bruce Davis has told his parole boards he would give up any bodies, if he only knew where they were buried. Right Bruce! But it was Clem who gave up the burial site of Shorty, not you.
At the suggestion of a CIW prison official, I wrote Susan Atkins a letter telling her she was implicated in the murder of three more people. Susan claimed during the trial..."There are three people buried behind Barker Ranch about eight feet deep they will never find." It will soon be a week since I mailed that letter to Susan. There has been no response.
Are there other Manson family members out there reading these pages? Why not come forward and break the silence? All you have to be is honest, true, and give up those bodies we all know about. We recognize it will take more than a conversion to Jesus Christ. If that was all it would take, then Bruce, Tex, Susan and Gypsy could have come forward years ago. ]]
Sunday, September 11, 2005
Happiness is an Elusive Thing
As I count my blessings (my career, my supermodel wife, my intelligence and education) and look at the poor people left to die by the government in Louisiana I realize just how transitory "Happiness" really it, and just how rare.
I never had my family uprooted to a ghetto.
I never had my mother killed by Germans in a camp.
I never had my wife and unborn son butchered.
I never had my school friend and his girlfriend slaughtered.
I never had to flee in the night from a judge out to use me to further his career.
This is Roman Polanski three days ago at the Venice Film Festival with his wife. He has a new family now. He has a new movie this month. He looks happy.
I hope he is.
How Wistful Little Star It was all So Far...
We got a nice email today that reminded me of why I keep up the fight for truth and justice in this case- because someone has to.
Col,
Hi. I tried to post on your site, but since I don't have a computer
and only have msn tv, I can't create a blog (at least on this blog),
therefore, I can't post on your board. SORRY HON I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT MSN TV BUT I WAS VERY GLAD TO
GET YOUR MESSAGE. I was going to post on your
latest entry, Hughes & Chris Simmons. Was he (Simmons) the one who had
Nelson and some others believe that he was Ouisch and a few other manson
Members, before he was caught and exposed as a fraud? NO THAT WAS "CLARK RONSON WHO TURNED OUT
TO BE A CLOWN CALLED SCOTT NELSON, NO RELATION. CHRIS SIMMONS IS SOMEBODY FOCUSED
PERHAPS TOO MUCH ONLY ON SHARON.
I just wanted to say I am happy to see that you are still around. I
always liked the way you were your own person and were not like most of
the others on the different boards, who more or less followed each
other. FOLLOWERS ARE SHEEP- THIS LEADS TO BUSH'S RE-ELECTION WHICH LEADS TO HIS PAL BEING
MADE HEAD OF FEMA WHICH LEADS TO THOUSANDS DEAD.It;s good to see that you are still stirring things up and making
people think and offering up your opinions on the manson case. THANK YOU. QUESTION EVERYTHING.
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE.
I also read on one of the posting that GLH says that he is visiting Tex
Watson? Has he said anything about whether he thinks Waston has changed
or if he has befriended him, or is he just playing around with Tex
Watson? Do you think he is telling the truth about actually visiting him
in prison? MY SOURCES INDICATE THAT HE HAS VISITED HIM. ALL OF HIS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE
VISITS ON KTS HAVE NOT BEEN BOASTFUL (OR ESPECIALLY INSIGHTFUL). WATSON HAS OF COURSE
CHANGED. I BELIEVE THAT HE HAS DISSASSOCIATED FROM HIS ACTIONS MUCH AS OJ HAS. OTHERWISE,
HOW COULD YOU NOT JUST KILL YOUR OWN SELF AND BE DONE WITH IT? BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER - HE WILL NEVER GET OUT.
I just thought I'd drop you a line and let you know that it is Sooo
refreshing to find and read your blog. Things on the other boards have
gotten SO boring over the past few years. Everyone has split into 2-3
groups from the days of the old Tate/LaBianca board. Fronteras board
became a joke, IT WAS PERHAPS THE FUNNIEST SHIT EVER ON THE INTERNET, WASN'T IT? GOD
REMEMBER THAT CRAZY WOMAN, WHEAT? SHIT I MISS THOSE OLD DAYS (OF LIKE WHAT, 4 YEARS AGO? LOL!)
Gorightly's board more or less died,IT WAS SET UP TO PROMOTE HIS CONFUSING BOOK- BOOK DIED--> BOARD DIED.
as did Jasons, NOT SURE WHICH WAS JASON'S and
Everyone on the other boards have to always agree with each other on
everything, and if someone comes along and disagrees with that board,
instead of having open minds and debating, it's an all out attack on the
person. It's good to see that I can come and read your board and find
good discussions about the case. YOU MISSED MY CRUCIFIXION AT KTS WHEN I ASKED HARD QUESTIONS. IRONICALLY
I GOT A GOOD FRIEND AND DRIVER OUT OF EINTDAVE, WHO THE BIDDIES ALSO DROVE AWAY OVER THERE.
BTW, have you heard from or about, Larry
Melton...aka....Rabbitt...aka....liar... lately?
He seems to be more reluctant in talking about manson or the case. A BIG
change from the old days where he was running off at the mouth all the
time. I was just wondering if you got the same feeling about him. I WAS ASKED ABOUT HIM IN A COMMENT SECTION THIS
MORNING. OF COURSE HE WAS A LIAR. HE KNEW SOME PEOPLE AND WANTED SOME ATTENTION. NO IDEA WHERE HE IS NOR
DO I CARE.
One more thing, How about Nellie? I haven't heard anything about him for
a long time. I didn't think he would ever give up his obsession on the
case. ME NEITHER BUT I AM ASSURED BY DENISE AT KTS (COOL LADY!) THAT NELLIE IS VERY VERY SICK
AND DONE WITH THE CASE. BUT MY HATRED FOR WHAT HE DID TO THE TATES AND TO THIS CASE
AS WELL AS TO THE WATSON CHILDREN...ARGGGH, KARMA IS A BITCH. ANYWAY....I saw one of your posts that alluded to maybe he was really sick
or something. Just curious about that. Anyway, take care. THANKS. I'M NOT GONNA USE YOUR EMAIL OR HANDLE
HERE- I AM GRATEFUL FOR YOUR COMMUNICATION AND GLAD YOU HAVE AT LAST FOUND A PLACE WHERE ALL CAN SPEND TIME AND DISCUSS THE TLB
MYSTERIES, NOT JUST PEOPLE WHO USE GIANT BLUE TYPE OR WHO BELIEVE IN NELSON'S CROCKPOT ZODIAC THEORIES.
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU ALL BELIEVE- JUST DEFEND IT LOGICALLY. THE FUTURE IS IN YOUR HANDS. ALL OF YOU.
THANKS AGAIN FOR WRITING- KEEP IT UP.
The Bug's Relationship with Reality
Did you know the Bug was sued for one of the many unsubstantiated statements in his landmark book HELTER SKELTER?
The problem I have with the book is that he made shit up so that the only person that looks good in it is him... the cops suck in it...Stovitz his partner sucks... everyone sucks except St. Bug.
He wildly asserts that Charlie et al "may be responsible for up to 35 murders." Then why did he not go and prosecute them all? Doesn't Zero deserve justice? Gaul? Habe? That is, if of course these people WERE responsible.
It's interesting that I found this last night, since Lisa at KTS posted her Friday Case NONFACT. If you read and study HS like you should if you are gonna be here with the Col, it does CLEARLY indicate that a James Forsher was a driver with Hughes to Sespe Hot Springs, where Hughes drowned. It later wildly and incorrectly speculates that Forsher might be the James that was somehow involved in the "Body in the basement" murders, perhaps even the victim, James Willett. Now of course, James Willett was killed because he knew about the robberies of Montfort, Pitman et al. But in HS, BUG clearly states that he thinks these things are related. Because of the "reach" Manson has and all, don't you know.
So Forsher sued BUG. he ultimately lost and on appeal lost too. You can read about it in detail here- it's good reading.
"There is another possibility. It may be that both James and Lauren Willett were killed because they knew too much about still another murder.
"James and Lauren. Something about those first names seemed familiar. Then it connected. On November 27, 1970, a James Forsher and a Lauren Elder drove defense attorney Ronald Hughes to Sespe Hot Springs. After Hughes disappeared, the couple were questioned but not polygraphed, the police being satisfied that when they left the flooded area Hughes was still alive.
"At first I thought 'Elder' might be Lauren Willett's maiden name, but it wasn't. Nor, in checking the police reports and newspaper articles, was I able to find any description of Forsher and Elder. All I did find were their ages, both given as seventeen, and an address, from which I subsequently learned they had long since moved. All other efforts to track them down were unsuccessful.
"It appears unlikely that James Forsher and James Willett were the same person: Willett would have been twenty-four in 1970, not seventeen. {Page 26 Cal.3d 802} But Lauren is a decidedly uncommon name. And, nineteen in 1972, she would have been seventeen in 1970.
"Coincidence? There have been far stranger ones in this case.
"One thing is now known, however. If an admission by one of Manson's most hard-core followers is correct, Ronald Hughes was murdered by the Manson Family."
By way of innuendo appellant alleged: "By publishing the book Helter-Skelter ..., Defendants ... intended that when Helter-Skelter was published the readers thereof would believe that Plaintiff was a participant in the alleged murder of Ronald Hughes, that he was guilty of the crime of murder or the crime of being an accomplice or accessory to murder and that Plaintiff was a member or close associate of the Manson 'Family.' The aforesaid portions of Helter-Skelter, when read in the context of the whole book, were, in fact, understood and believed by numerous readers of Helter-Skelter to mean that Plaintiff was a participant in the alleged murder of Ronald Hughes, that he was guilty of the crime of murder or of the crime of being an accomplice or accessory to murder and that he was a member or close associate of the Manson 'Family.' Said understanding and belief on the part of said readers of Helter-Skelter was reasonably drawn from the aforesaid portions of the book when read in the context of the whole book."
I have to go with Forsher- it reads to me like he is somehow linked, AT LEAST to the Hughes murder- which of course was NOT a murder. In my experience, courts are loathe in the US to go forward with libel cases unless they are crystal clear. I see why they threw it out.
But read the whole transcript. Watch the lying Bug squirm.
( Oh and not nice guy Mark Turner should correct his awesome site here-- they can't have vanished if he sued Bug twice.)
Friday, September 09, 2005
KTS Case Fact
I know, some of you wish I would stop the obsession with the errors of KTS. But after half a month of almost no posts, followed by banal "why aren't they rescuing the kitty cats too?" posts, they finally post something new, a Friday Case Fact...
As attorney for defendant Leslie Van Houten, Hughes tried to separate the interests of his client from those of Charles Manson. He hoped to show that Van Houten was not acting independently, but was completely controlled in her actions by Manson.
Hughes decision to pursue an independent strategy almost certainly cost him his life. On the last weekend of November, 1970, Hughes disappeared while camping in a remote area near Sespe Hot Springs. His badly decomposed body was not discovered until four months later. Although no one was ever charged with the murder of Hughes, at least two Family members have admitted that the killing of Hughes was a "retaliation murder" by Manson.
Except not a word of it is true. He drowned in an area where there was flash flooding. He was obese and could not get away. NO ONE including Bug still believes he was murdered.
Think logically- if there were retaliation murders why did they stop? Who was retaliated against? Why not kill Bug or Kay?
Why does KTS continue to promote untruth?. This is from a Lisa, but it could just as easily be from that Old Goat Janice.
I mean- have a commitment to your subject!
Thursday, September 08, 2005
Sounds Poorly
Wellspring digs deep to find 'Freaky' film
Indie distrib will 'Live' for pic rights
By IAN MOHR
TORONTO -- Indie distrib Wellspring has acquired all North American rights to the stop-motion animation musical-comedy "Live Freaky! Die Freaky!" by John Roecker.
Pic, which features voice work by a number of alt rockers including Green Day's Billie Joe Armstrong, is an outrageous retelling of the Manson family murders, set circa 3069.
Pic was produced through Hellcat Pictures, headed by Tim Armstrong, front man for pop punk band Rancid.
Also lending their voices to the pic are actor-helmer Asia Argento, Lunachick's Theo Kogan, AFI's Davey Havoc, X's John Doe, the Go Go's Jane Wiedlin and members of Good Charlotte and Blink-182.
Songs in the pic were penned by Faith No More and Imperial Teen keyboardist Roddy Bottum.
Wellspring will roll out the film in 2006, focusing on midnight screening slots before a DVD launch.
Pact was brokered by Wellspring's Marie Therese Guirgis and Peter Paterno and Jeff Silberman of King, Holmes, Paterno & Berliner, who repped the producers.
Followup- Monk Speaks!
Agnostic Monk Speaks---
Linda, Linda, Linda! LOL to Col. :)
But actually that is a good question. I would lean towards the drivers license reason for her inclusion (and not because I'm Linda's official P.R. person, more because it sounds like the simplest explanation). There may have been some other folks at the ranch with drivers licenses but maybe they were unavailable for Cielo due to various reasons (wasn't Patricia Krenwinkle trying to sleep off an acid trip that evening when Charlie woke her? Maybe others had been tripping that day and judged too messed up for the mission?)
Being stopped by cops with a licensed driver in the car would be far better than not having a licensed driver in the car (no matter who was driving). And they were of the mindset that if they were stopped they could throw knives and a gun out a passenger window without a cop noticing, most likely they figured switching drivers could be done without the cop noticing, prior to his initial approach towards the car.
But who knows, maybe there are deeper reasons. Weren't there rumors that Tex and Linda had been dealing together?
We could always go by Sandra Good's reason as stated in the Manson documentary (with rifle in hand). Something about Linda had been to the Tate house before so they all got in the car and Linda drove them to the Tate house?
So if you and I are driving drunk today to Magic Mountain Amusement park and they pull me over and I don't have a license I can say "Don't bother me, Mr. Man, because da Monk here has a license."? I don't think so. And that was just drunk driving. Can you imagine Tex, stoned out of his face on speed, saying, hey, don't hassle me, the tiny blonde in the back has a license? Nope, me neither.
That is the point of the post. WHY send Linda? The given reason doesn't compute, and, since she didn't drive, isn't true. Then why?
And to the post that reads that Charlie had been to the house the night before, this isn't true at all either- you are getting that from Tex's Helter Skelter 2004 review. Charlie seems to have been there before with Melcher on at least three occasions, and maybe once while Sharon lived there if you believe the Bug book. Tex didn't know about that visit. That is what he is alluding to. HS 04 is so full of inaccuracies from the first scene (wasn't Brunner at Hinman?) that it could confuse anyone.
Sorry to hear about Nelson. I am sure the families of the twelve year old girls he "massaged", the family of Patti Tate and the family of Steven Parent and Angela Smaldino are praying for him as are Barbara Hoyt and Sandra Good.