While Jay does an expensive onset visit with George Peppard, D-Day has arrived.
38 years ago today.... and tonight...
Charlie and Stephanie return to Spahn. Many girls apparently express jealousy over Charlie's exclusivity.
Charlie learns that Bobby has been arrested. May lead cops to ranch. Girls talking about copycats.
Mary and Sandy fuck up at the Sears Roebuck and are arrested. News filters back to the ranch.
Based on NOTHING, the Col believes that Charlie tried to reach Melcher about some outstanding business today and got full on ignored.
If you believe Linda, Charlie told a group of them "Now is the time for Helter Skelter". But then this bitch was just trying to save her own ass.
Steven Parent calls Garrettson and arranges to come by, allegedly to sell an alarm clock, but more likely for a gay rendezvous. Bill obliges.
Sharon, Gibby, Jay and Voytek had their last meal at El Coyote in the back corner booth by the bathrooms. The place was much newer and nicer back then.
They got back to Cielo after 8. Drunk and loud.
Sometime after ten, Tex, Sadie, and Katie, with Linda driving, get into Jonny Swartz's white Rambler.
It was on!
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ColScott said:
They got back to Cielo after 8. Drunk and loud.
Except STP, she probably did not drink alcohol
That day CM understood it would be over for him and he would return, once again as a nobody in prison ...it was time for him to unleash all the viciousness and resentment accumulated over the years and to finally be taken into consideration by the establishment, Hollywood, California, USA and the World....
He knew exactly what would hurt...suggest some gullible well prepared “friends” to kill the occupants in one of the most gorgious place in the LA bassin, but more than that,
CM wanted STP to be killed...
he knew exactly that STP was living there and maybe even knew she was pregnant ( 23 march 1969 they met... ) the motives ?... pure jealousy ...( beauty, wealth, etc)...the next day was vengeance and jealousy (wealth) ...he suggested LLB to be killed for he argued with him in 1968 (house next door) when they met...
It took a lot of years for Tex and Co to actually recognize their own responsability in the crimes and realize they were just puppets under CM fingertips...
Respectfully Angelos, how do you explain that Pat Krenwinkel told her lawyer that they thought Sharon was not going to be home that night?
Deb
great posts/pics Col.
I don't know Deb, but probably only CM knew Sharon was living there and knew also the emotional impact her death would have worldwide, why ? because STP was a very special person and Pat and Co had a very vague idea of anything at the time, and probably it's only after the crime and the realisation of their...mistake that she told her lawyer so...and to answer more directly to your question, I would guess it was lies ... CM lies
angelos-
Horse puckey
angelos said: It took a lot of years for Tex and Co to actually recognize their own responsability in the crimes and realize they were just puppets under CM fingertips...
To me, that is a contradiction. To realize that you are responsible means to me you say "Hey I did that" and not "Hey I did that because he made me". Several studies (which probably can be contradicted with other studies) have shown that one can not be hypnotized to do anything that one doesn't want to do, or anything that one does not already have in them to do. (LSD, drugs, etc. taken in to account as well, those just may help bring it out quicker)
Getting my scooper out...thinking I would rather hokey pokey than step in a puckey...
I'm not sure how realistic it is to suggest that Charlie deliberately targeted Sharon. Yes, I know they came face-to-face previously, but my guess would be that Charlie didn't even know her name. So while there might be *some* truth to angelos' scenario, I have trouble with Sharon being specifically targeted.
One thing I will agree with you on angelos is the idea that Pat probably only had a vague idea of what was going on. I really don't think any of the girls knew what was being planned and exactly what was going to happen until it already started happening.
Tex also said Charlie said the whole, "Now is the time for HS"
I don't even think Charlie himself denies having said it, he just says he meant something different than what has become the standard interpretation of that statement. "Helter Skelter is confusion, it's turmoil." Charlie didn't even deny the later "do you have any remorse?" grilling, to Diane Sawyer. "I was so stoned that I might have said that," (I'm paraphrasing).
He doesn't even deny sending them out that night. "I may even have told them to go out and SCARE some people."
Hmmm. Sometimes I think Charlie is a talented tap-dancer. Maybe he just expected them to merely SCARE Leno and Rosemary, too.
Wow ! Very interesting. As always I learn more about Manson/Tate-LaBianca here than anywhere else.
I never knew of Charlie leaving with the Stephanie girl.
Thanks for the great pics and writings ColScott ! And thanks to all of you for your facts and theories ! Keep em' coming. This is fascinating.
http://www.mansonspeaks.org/
And 38 years after this October what will CM speak about ?
he could...
1) express again he has not have a fair trial, he was not able to defend himself ? and he could have explained better what happened ?
2) he did not want anybody killed those nights and that the kids took it all too far ? it was all a huge missunderstanding ? and by the way, he did not kill anybody and did not ask and want anybody to be killed.
3) he will give finally the (big) names and real reasons why the victims where killed (drugs etc, contracts etc...)
4) he will take more responsability for what happened and apologize to the familly of the victims and his ex-bestfriends for all the lies that had one purpose, give him fame...
5) ?
ColScott said...
"If you believe Linda, Charlie told a group of them "Now is the time for Helter Skelter". But then this bitch was just trying to save her own ass"
In George Stimson's book {from 2014}, he states that Charlie doesn't deny having said this, that he may well have said it.
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