Thursday, August 24, 2006

Another Novel Pretending to be Non-Fiction


Yes Yes Yes, the Col is getting the emails about the evil Mark Turner saying on his great site that the amazingly untruthful BUG has written another book about the Manson Case.

Now I am not saying that Mark is lying BLOWJOB but he says it is coming out in a couple of months. A couple is TWO. If this book were coming out in two months there would be a listing on Amazon.com. Which there isn't. So maybe this is a self-xeroxed book coming out from the BUG's basement. Otherwise do you not think that there would be publicity for it somewhere? Not to say that Mark is lying BLOWJOB.

You know what would make the book totally awesome, if it were to come out? No, not Pirates fighting Ninjas (though that would be pretty awesome come to think of it). How's about a chapter about that family BUG stalked back in the sixties because he thought his wife Gail had boned the milkman? Then he could follow that up with a chapter about beating up his girlfriend because she took money for an abortion he wanted her to have and she never had it? Then wrap that up with his love for Latino Love Songs in a chapter. God that would be awesomely sweet. Then Mark Turner could write the epilogue with Vince's Christian Testimony highlighted and a photo of a Vest not made by any Manson girls but by Jesus Christ himself BLOWJOB.

I would buy ten copies of such a book and give them to my closest friends.

Wouldn't you?

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Danna said...

Col. exactly what is your beef with the BUG? I mean the fact that he is an attorney precludes any honesty on his part.

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Salem said...

OMG COL
PRICELESS..
I WAS HAVING A PRETTY BAD DAY , (BAD BACK ACHE) BUT YOU MADE MY DAY AGAIN! :)

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catscradle77 said...
I just called the BUG's office...and will keep calling if he doesnt call me back...the guy who answered the phone at least was pleasant.

10:08 AM, August 24, 2006

Cat
u have to say *Private call*, dont give ya name, and talk with the best maryilyn monroe voice ya can.You will be put on a private line! ;)

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Salem said...

wonder what compelled him to write another Manson related book after all of these years?

10:23 AM, August 24, 2006

says DK

cuz hes made his fame off Charlie, what else can he fall back on, like i posted before, he will undate this book til the day he dies!!!!!!!

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catscradle77 said...
No, I kept it very professional. If he calls, great...he is prolly wondering who the hell from Cleveland is calling him...at least the guy took my name and number..not saying BUG has time for me...but I will be persistent..

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I did it that way for months and never got thu. lol
talk sexy and you will get the hotline!!!!!:)

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Pherber said...

Catscradle77 asks...

>My next question-on MT site, there is a link for stuff...it said Harold True-photo removed do to request of Phil Kaufman..anyone know of this and why?

Wait, is this the same Phil Kaufman who was Gram Parson's roadie? The guy who stole Gram's body from the funeral parlor then cremated it at Joshua Tree? The same Phil Kaufman who hung out with The Stones?

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chasingbunnies said...

Has anyone ever noticed that The Bug looks like he's had some kind of soft palate surgery? He has a scar across his upper lip extending from his nostril down to his lip line. I've noticed that ever since he started doing television talk shows. I don't mean to be crass it's just some I've noticed over the years...
cb

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Wait, is this the same Phil Kaufman who was Gram Parson's roadie? The guy who stole Gram's body from the funeral parlor then cremated it at Joshua Tree? The same Phil Kaufman who hung out with The Stones?
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Good question pherber. I wondered the same thing.
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Salem said...

1970 Charles Manson- LIE album

Phil Produced.

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chasingbunnies said...
Has anyone ever noticed that The Bug looks like he's had some kind of soft palate surgery? He has a scar across his upper lip extending from his nostril down to his lip line. I've noticed that ever since he started doing television talk shows. I don't mean to be crass it's just some I've noticed over the years...
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12:40 PM, August 24, 2006

:)I did notice that, I was thinking from getting smack by some g/f's gone mad! LOL
me:)

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catscradle77 said...
Opps a misquote-he adminsters the royalties from the album..sorry for the misquote.

1:29 PM, August 24, 2006

No Problem

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Salem said...

http://members.tripod.com/earcandy_mag/rrcase-charlesmanson.htm


interesting site

Salem said...

Even Neil Young knew Manson. "He had this kind of music that nobody else was doing. I thought he really had something crazy, something great. He was like a living poet."

I have to agree with neil there:)

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Salem said...
:)I did notice that, I was thinking from getting smack by some g/f's gone mad! LOL
me:)

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Well, that wouldn't surprise me. Maybe a disgruntled milkman punched him in the mouth??? Who knows? This calls for Dr. Gregory House, and his expertise, lol
;)
cb

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Well, that wouldn't surprise me. Maybe a disgruntled milkman punched him in the mouth??? Who knows? This calls for Dr. Gregory House, and his expertise, lol
;)
cb

lol CB:)
I Love House! I bet House could tell us what time Joel delivered the mesc. and coke up to Roman's house. And who partook of it!

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ColScott said...

cc
removal of what picture?

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catscradle77 said...
On Turner's website, it says the picture of Harold True was removed because Phil Kaufman asked him to remove it.


well GO PHIL!

ColScott said...

well he could ask the Col to remove the picture and I could tell him to go suck off a hamster

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ColScott said...

go back to CM.COM
Turner admits he was full of shit

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Salem said...

demon knight said...
Somebody ask Mark Turner if he plans on taking down the link to the Sandra Good naked picture anytime soon.

After all, it's long been sold and I won't be putting up the picture anywhere for view.

His link makes it look like it's still for sale when it's not.

7:32 PM, August 24, 2006

it has been sold???????
I was told it had been sold, but then the buyer reneiged? on the sale????
wtf?
:(
oh well
I dont beleive much that comes from that bored.
ummmmm

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ColScott said...

cc
do you have a phone number - I never found one for him
please email me it

ColScott said...

cc
do you have a phone number - I never found one for him
please email me it

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demon knight said...
The seller of the photograph gave me a digital copy of the picture via email once i had won the bid. This copy didn't have anything superimposed over it. I was told that Mark Turner was given the same digital copy picture via email when the seller first approached him to tell him that it was for sale.

I do have the original.

10:52 PM, August 24, 2006
thanks DK.
Peace

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Heaven said...

I'm late coming into this topic, but I just don't see how anything more can really be said about the case (in yet another book form) since none of the killers are wavering from their stories... What more can be said that hasn't already been said when no one is talking??

I checked Marks site and it says that Bugliosi's book is not about Manson. But ya'll probably already knew that...
lol

And this made me laugh out loud
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Speaking of Satan, how's Debra Tate doing? Just kidding Byotch, lol.

What a riot!!!

=)

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agnostic monk said...

Wow all this Debra Tate Hate is hurting my soul.

Myself, I'm not sure I get it. But I haven't paid much attention to that side of things.

I should sit here on the staircase and contemplate.

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agnostic monk said...
>Wow all this Debra Tate Hate is hurting my soul.

Myself, I'm not sure I get it. But I haven't paid much attention to that side of things.

I should sit here on the staircase and contemplate.<

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I don't get all this Debra Tate hate either, unless the truth lies somewhere within Debra Tate then why pick on her? Just saying...
I do think she should honor her father's wishes and give him the proper burial that he asked for.
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Monk-
>>>I really am not hating and Linda's pigtails are safe.<<<

Linda's pigtails might be safe but clearly Leslie's beehive is not LOL.

Re: Debra Tate, I really don't follow much about the Debra stuff or the history some people seem to have with her or her websites, so I'm probably unqualified to comment (which has never stopped me before) I'm just not sure of the value in bashing the very last remaining member of Sharon's family.

And to think both Tex and Susan have outlived everyone in that family but one. How sad.

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And to think both Tex and Susan have outlived everyone in that family but one. How sad.

3:22 PM, August 26, 2006

I'm just not sure of the value in bashing the very last remaining member of Sharon's family.
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I dont see the need to bash her either. I dont know her, never met her. So if she is going to BD's parole she is just keeping up with what her mother and sister and dad did for years?

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catscradle77 said...
>>Dunno who he is-anyone know? But it looks like a trip to Sunday school....<<<

Maybe Mark Ross? Speaking of dudes, does anyone know who the kid is who is seen on the Manson 70 tape hanging out with the girls in the lobby of the courthouse during what I think is Susan's grand jury testimony? He is seen later on walking in front of the family when they are in front of some cameras and are all smiles. Is he the youth referred to in Bugs book and Tex Watson's book as Kevin?

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salem said:
>>>Well the thing is that Debra and Patti Tate didn't go after people that didn't harm their family. They never went to Leslie's parole hearings in an attempt to intimidate the board. Debra took this upon herself.<<<

I think you meant Doris, and from what I understand Doris did get involved in keeping Leslie behind bars, helping to organize the petition for signatures when friends of Leslie organized their own. So, no, Debra is not the first Tate relative to get involved in keeping Leslie jailed. Doris did it first, because she was asked and she thought it was the right thing to do.

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Demon Knight said...
>>>This whole Victims-Witness crap is a bunch of bullshit. Debra has no business in that parole room.<<<

I think that depends entirely on the Labianca or Smaldino family and what their wishes are. If one of them invited Debra to attend, then by all means she has a right to be there.

Like it or not Leslie's crime will always be linked to the Tate killings. Leslie herself made that decision when she entered the LaBianca home with two of the Tate killers. There *IS* a connection between the two and there always will be.

All due respect DK, I know Leslie is important to you, and I do think she should and will get paroled one of these days, but Debra Tate is not responsible for Leslie's ongoing imprisonment. Leslie is.

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>>>Then what about her and Bruce? Bruce had nothing to do with the murder of her sister. And as far as I know, Gary's family or Shorty's family did not ask her to help with keeping him in?<<<

well in that case she probably should just stay out of it, in my humble opinion. But from her perspective, perhaps it has something to do with the fact that by most accounts Bruce Davis knew what had gone down at Cielo Drive and never did anything to bring this information to the authorities, and he continued to be friends with these people for a long time after the fact, protecting, supporting, and hiding out with them, and carving his own cross into his forehead in solidarity with them.

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Salem said...

also

Maybe Debra knows Bruce went back (with others)that night to clean up, after the murders.
jmho

nite

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>>>And I can see your points. But she has become a public figure and draws attention. Guilt by association, perhaps. But not in a court of law-he wasn't there.<<

I'm not saying that justifies her being present at a Bruce parole hearing, just suggesting that might be along the lines of her thinking, i.e. how it directly relates to the crime against her family.

But I don't know, if it were my sister who was murdered, and I saw all these mental cases carving swastikas into their foreheads and laughing at my pain and loss, I might be tempted to do my part to impress upon the parole board the impact of their actions on my family even if they weren't the direct killers. The behavior of these folks during the TRIAL is significant, IMHO, and is a major reason why they are all still in jail.

But I dont have a clue what Debra Tate is thinking, I'm just guessing.

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>>>She is asking for people to write letters. Which is anyones right, but with her being such a public figure and all that<<<

so it's the Tate name recognition that makes it unfair that she is calling for letters for Bruce?

Well, nothing against you cats (as you know) I'm just in a devil's advocate mood. Sometimes my feeling is, well, that's what ya get for being involved with and even killing with your friends who also killed a famous movie starlet. Debra didn't bring herself into this. Tex and Susan brought her into this when they killed her sister. Bruce was a friend of theirs, killed others with them, and supported them during the trial of her sister's murder.

That's the world we live in, where name recognition can get attention and make things happen. To bad for Bruce that he didn't choose to hang out with the killers of some unfamous people instead.

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>>>But if it wasn't for the starlet thing, or the Manson thing I am sure Bobby, Bruce and Leslie would be out by now.<<<

You are probably correct.

>>is it fair to use a famous victim against someone?<<<

If that someone was a very close cohort of the famous person's murderer, and that someone joined them in taunting the famous person's family by carving an X in their forehead and standing in solidarity with the murderers during the trial where the gory details of the famous person's murder came out, then I'm not convinced it is UNfair.

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catscradle77 said...
>>>And if Bruce were your family, how would you feel? (rhetorical question, I am not related to Bruce)<<<

It sounds like Bruce should probably get out. I dont know a tremendous amount about him and his post-trial years beyond the basics and the fact that in a couple interviews the dude sure likes to talk a very cerebral rap. I have nothing against him specifically, it sounds like he has paid for his crimes. The Jesus stuff does kind of annoy me but if he's sincere in his beliefs it's not for me to judge.

If he is doing what is expected of him, he should probably get parole. But I don't necessarily think it's unfair for Debra to get involved in campaigns to keep him in. Bruce continued to hang out with them and support them after the cielo drive massacre, he knew some famous Hollywood people were killed and it would attract wide media attention (and famous people relatives) but it didnt deter him back in the day. I'm sure it must be very frustrating for him and his family almost 40 years later but it's the Manson groups fault that the Tate name was dragged into their mess, not Debras.

You know I luvs ya though cats, right? I know many of us have strong opinions/feelings about certain figures, and certain pigtails, in this very strange case and that's what makes it fun to share with the class.

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>>>It is also unfair for Debra to go to Leslie hearing as support. She is bending the rules.<<<

Which rules exactly is she bending? Do we know what the rules are specifically? I have a feeling she is operating within full compliance of the laws and rules governing parole proceedings. if she is actually violating a specific kind of statute, that is another story but how can we say she is "bending the rules"?

I am honestly not trying to be obtuse.

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>>>it is not fair to penalize someone who has followed the guidelines set forth in order to receive parole.<<<

If the parole board is being unfair in the adminstration of their judgments, that's on their heads. Debra Tate doesn't make those calls.

If Debra wants to get involved in the campaign to keep the Manson gang behind bars, that is her right as much as anyone's. You and I could start a letter-writing campaign if we wanted to. Debra doesn't lose that right because she is Sharon's sister. Sounds like Debra's motto is "do whatever you can to keep ALL the convicted Manson killers behind bars for as long as possible". She knows as well as anyone the pain meted out by these people and I don't think it's inappropriate for her to get involved now or ever.

Maybe with more information I would change my mind. I'm kinda formulating an opinion as we discuss it since I've never given it a lot of thought in the past. Don't know why she waited so long, maybe she was getting her nails done or somethin'.

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>>>Monk,
No use to keeping going on about this with you. Just as long as The prinesss Linda never went to jail ..everything fine.<<<


Awe, 60's now don't be like that! I'm just having a civil and friendly discussion with peeps I like talking with.

:(

I'm not sure what my stance on LK has to do with Debra and Bruce.
But, ya know, by all means take a few stabs at pigtails if you think it will help.

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>>>And that is why I wrote Bruce...he and I have had some letter discussion let me tell you. But he helped me.
So, think what you want of the man.<<<

like I said, I dont have anything specifically against Bruce getting out, it sounds like he has paid for his crimes. I've said this over and over. I think he sounds interesting, intelligent, and insightful.

I just don't think it's inappropriate for Debra to be getting involved in his possible parole.

I think it would be interesting to ask the man himself; Bruce, how do you feel about Debra Tate getting involved in your possible parole? Do you think it is unfair or do you think you brought it on yourself by gleefully participating in that freak-show of swastikas while Sharon's murderers were being tried?

Cats I would never make fun of you.

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>>>Monk, with all due respect, Leslie was not charged in the Tate murders so there is no connection.<<<

DK there might not be a technical, legal connection, but there is and always will be a connection even if it isn't on paper so to speak.

Let us not forget that while the details of Sharon Tate's murder were being revealed during the trial, Leslie joined hands with Susan and Pat in the courtroom laughing, giggling, singing, basically saying fuck you to everyone including Sharon Tate's family. Debra Tate making her presence known at Leslie's parole hearing is not quite as out there as, say, Big Bird being present. She was Sharon's sister. Leslie cruelly mocked the memory of Sharon and all the victims.

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>>As for the Smaldino's "Inviting" Debra ..... This isn't a party that we're talking about. Unless Leslie was physically involved with a crime that was commited against someone in the Tate house, which she wasn't, then Debra has no business being there to make faces on camera.<<<

If the Smaldino family asked her to be there, then she has a right. That's up to the Smaldino family, not you or I.

I guess this is another Agree To Disagree moment. I am not defending Debra Tate as a person. I know very little about her except for some stray interviews and bits and pieces of what I've read from some people who hate her in this forum.

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>agnostic monk said..Leslie cruelly mocked the memory of Sharon and all the victims

That may be true but Leslie did not have a hand in Sharon's death.<<

dk, like it or not Leslie's behavior during the trial *IS* a factor. No one forced her to laugh when the details of Sharon's murder were being communicated to the jury in the presence of Sharon's family. Not even Charlie.

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>>You're talking about something that happened 37 years ago when Leslie was a 19 or 20 year old hippie girl that was whacked out on LSD.<<<

dk, I have made it clear that I think Leslie probably deserves parole (I say "probably" as opposed to "certainly" because I'm only going on what I read and I'm not present during all the parole hearings). you dont have to sell me on Leslie.

My point is merely that her actions did, to some extent, involve the Tate family. If Debra wants to show up at her parole hearings that's her business, not mine, and her right. I'm not particularly concerned about why she didnt start going until recently.

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Salem said...

If one gets out, the others should.

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Salem said...

So far the board has come up with valid reasons for keeping Charlie.


yes, seems they always have reasons for keeping Charlie in, He knows he wont ever be out, so * like he says, I can look cross eyed at a guard and get the hole*
so he tokes up some, and tries to make the best of a bad situation.. had it NOT been for others , he would not be there, not saying futher down the road, he would have been back in for drugs or petty thief etc. But not what is in there for now.

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Yepyep said...
Charlie has anti-social personality traits. Or he pretends he does, but that doesn't really matter. The shrinks diagnosed Tex and Susan with the same.

hi YEPYEP:)
yeah, in prison i would be anti social too! :)to me Charlie had a inferiority complex from way back and a lack of self esteem.

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Salem said...

Having a hard time following your logic here. Care to elaborate?

12:29 PM, August 27, 2006

was in jest.
As i really dont see any of them being released.

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I used to go to that board myself, but lost interest years ago. I wasn't learning anything and the moderator had an agenda the size of the northern hemisphere. I didn't know jack, and wasn't learning jack until I met Salem and then found this blog.
cb

1:29 PM, August
CB
aint that the truth. Talk about being sucked in. LOL
Peace

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CB

I still recall the cure for my headaches! lol
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Salem said...

I think Squeaky should stay and Sandy be put in too and let Leslie Pat and Susan out! They ARE the sane ones.....

Lynn wants to stay, Sandy didnt want to get out when she was in.
yes
Sandy and I are on speaking terms.

Salem said...

You have got to forgive and go on with your life..

Hating people is like burning your own house down to get rid of a rat.........
and this is true!
Charlie has forgiven all who lied about him.

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Salem said...

and as I have said, I made some bad choices in my life, but I got into a situation, as I was asked to go there. To Free Leslie was main reason. and to tell MY side of what I thought. I didnt know what a hell hole it would turn into.

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uncle ace said...
So does Sandy agree that she should be put back in?

And since you acknowledged that Charlie is indeed unbalanced, isn't it possible that much of what's been said was in fact the truth?

Peace.

Sandy is happy now, I dont ask if she thinks she needs to be put back in.
Many times meds have caused Charlie to be unbalanced. His thinking is not as ours as we dont live in his REAL world.

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Salem said...

"pat and Susan had been with Manson the longest and the most programed..."

that was what I was told.
I dont know Pat nor Susan.
Peace

as I said, that was long ago. If u want to keep posting from a old forum, thats cool.
Peace

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Salem said...

last
The one that has stood by Charlie to this day and remains true, is Lynn.

Peace

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uncle ace said...
Well, can't wait around for an answer to end my horrible confusion. have to go talk down a friend and her hubby from a bad acid trip. time to crank some Hendrix.

peace, love,and sticky-sweet saccharine.

3:56 PM, August 27, 2006
ha
try some orange juice

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said...
Many times meds have caused Charlie to be unbalanced. His thinking is not as ours as we dont live in his REAL world.

3:32 PM, August 27, 2006

answer......
his world.the real world, the world of dod eat dog, awareness,
whatcha back jack.Thats HIS world.

6:44 PM, August 27, 2006

Salem said...

dog eat dog!

chasingbunnies said...

Salem and I were scammed 5 years ago by a jailhouse lawyer posing as a paralegal or some such thing. A person who wasn't above asking for money to pay for her account. After we found out what we were dealing with we both bailed out.
"Both Sides Now?"
HA!
cb

Salem said...

cb:)
sings*
those were the days my friend! lol
I thought they would never end.
LOL

Salem said...

said...
Monk,
No use to keeping going on about this with you.

Just as long as The prinesss Linda never went to jail ..everything fine.

7:47 PM, August 26, 2006

Linda never stabbed anyone, She didnt shoot anyone, she certainly didnt KILL anyone.

ColScott said...

crazy days