Sunday, September 04, 2005

License to Kill


Does anyone else find strange that Linda Kasabian was chosen to drive to two nights of mass murder because she "had the only valid driver's license"? The Col preaches on this blog for us to "Question Everything" and I was wondering just now out of a clear blue Sunday whether that was true or not. California then, as now, was all about car culture and when a kid turns 16, it becomes all about getting licenses and wheels so you can get away from your folks. Okay Maybe Charlie had lost his driving rights through crimes or bad driving or whatever. But there were a LOT of people around the ranch. Much more hardcore Family members. Remember, Linda was there less than six weeks. Didn't Gypsy have a license? I know Mary and Sandy were in jail in Van Nuys, but didn't Brenda have a license? Hell, Sadie could strip a few miles away but didn't have a license to drive? It might be true- I know people hitched back then- but it just seems- odd. Obviously hindsight is everything and Linda's future Judas behavior calls in to question sending her at all- but was she really sent because of a driver's license? Did the Family routinely get pulled over and hassled by the Fuzz? Because this "fact" does indeed make Charlie seem very calculating as well as knowledgeable that shit would be going down, bad shit.

If that WAS NOT why Linda was sent, then why was she? Obviously Charlie, Tex and Sadie (her supposed closest friend there, next to Gypsy) had reason to believe that she could be trusted and relied on. And until busted, she was reliable. WHAT did they know that we don't about why Linda was trusted to go to TWO nights of homicide?

35 comments:

Dok said...

Very good question Col. I have always thought that this was a fishy answer to why Linda went with the mudering crew. Did she actually drive on those two nights? And what about when the family went creepy crawling, who drove then and was it important to Manson that it be someone with a license?

shelby445 said...

some accounts say that tex did the driving to and from cielo and that manson drove to and from the labiancas. so which source is the correct one? and how are we to know for sure that linda even drove at all? none of us were there.

ColScott said...

Linda says that she drove in her testimony as as AG can tell you, she is an honest girl.

ColScott said...

also, if she DID NOT drive then I have no logical reason why the hell she was there... she was neither inner circle nor trusted

shelby445 said...

tex also said he drove so who's telling the truth?

GLH said...

Tex said Kasabian drove both nights. On the night of the Tate murders, she was very nervous and missed the turn onto Benedict Canyon and they ended up in Hollywood.

shelby445 said...

tex said in his book "will you die for me" we piled into the car, with me in the drivers seat with sadie next to me, katie and linda in the back he says linda drove away from cielo but that he drove to it. so where do you come up with him saying linda drove there? the following night tex claims that sometimes manson drove and sometimes linda did with manson giving her directions. he says that when they stopped to wash off the blood, he was the one who drove away. susan also says in her book that tex drove to cielo. she further claims that tex did the driving when they left and linda threw the clothes and knives out the window. she also says that the next night, manson did the driving. so who's lying? they all can't be right.

GLH said...

Shelby,

Tex told me Linda was driving to the Tate house. Maybe he took over when she missed the turn - since she was unfamiliar with the area.

ColScott said...

All of this is interesting but back to the point- if she didn't drive ALL THE TIME because CM was worried they'd be pulled over...then the newbie wasn't there because of her license. Then why was she there?

ColScott said...

Tex- "We piled into the car, me in the driver's seat with Sadie next to me, Katie and Linda in back, all of us in dark shirts and jeans. I was wearing cowboy boots but the girls were barefoot. "

Tex- "We got lost. I missed a turnoff and we ended up going all the way into Hollywood, then back west on Santa Monica Boulevard through West Hollywood and the edges of Beverly Hills. We cut up past the landscaped mansions, most of them dark now, to Sunset Boulevard, then to Benedict Canyon, then finally turned left onto Cielo Drive.

When I pulled up to the big gate at the end of the private drive, directly under a power pole..."

TEX- "We all tumbled in-Linda squealing away, while in the front seat next to her I..."

TEX- "Linda turned off Benedict Canyon onto Portola Drive, one of the winding side streets, looking for a place where we could wash."

TEX- "In my rush I flooded the engine, and as I struggled to get the car started again the old man came up to my window and stuck his hand in, grabbing for the keys"

Next Night- TEX-

"Sometimes Charlie would be at the wheel, sometimes Linda, with Charlie giving her directions"

Sorry GLH Tex states this book is based on recordings he made 4 mos after the murders.

Linda did not ONLY drive.

GLH said...

Why do you think she was there? I never understood that the ONLY reason was for having a valid license...

ColScott said...

That is the reason given by everyone... she was a newbie, not trusted... Mary was in jail in Van Nuys...

I want to know why she was there. I don't. It doesn't make sense.

GLH said...

You're right, it doesn't make sense. Guess we'll never know....

ColScott said...

Never is a very long time

GLH said...

Where is Kasabian now? I've read that she is in Maine, the Pacific Northwest, and/or somewhere in between.

ColScott said...

I thought she was in Washington State when Nelson pulled his shit on her.

GLH said...

I thought she was in Washington, as well. Is Nelson still alive?

ColScott said...

I believe Nelson is still alive, silenced by his wife and child.

Ask the KTS people Denise knows him.

GLH said...

Ok. Nelson is still alive. Who could still be around and still be worried about anything being written about THE MOTIVE? I mean, to threaten someone in order to keep them quiet? It's been 36 years. What could be known that hasn't already been discussed/presented?

ColScott said...

I never said that anyone was threatened at least recently about anything.

GLH said...

No, sorry, I was referring to what I had heard about a failed book venture. I should have made that clearer in my post.

GLH said...

Do you think there is any creedence in the rumors regarding the $5K that was supposedly stolen by Kasabian and possibly given to Frykowski? Maybe this is why she was sent along that first night.

shelby445 said...

i don't see how linda could have known frykowski. she'd only been with the family a month and had just come to calif from mexico.
i think she was brought along because she was simply handy when the invitations were given out and she was expendible. my mother told me that back in her teenage years they went joyriding all the time without having a license. they just had a licensed driver in the car in case they got pulled over then the licensed person could switch with them. maybe that was the case here, they needed one licensed driver in the car. you never know, it could be the cops first minute on the job lol
the killers are all liars tex claims he drove both to and from cielo in one source then says something different in another. manson says he did the driving the 2nd night. so which liar do you believe?

ColScott said...

Shelby
actually if you follow ALL the testimony it is fairly consistent- Sadie Grand Jury- Kasabian Trial- Tex today.
It is the discrepancies that are worth studying.
Linda didn't drive.
I don't think she knew Frykowski.
But I don't thinks he was chosen because she was "handy". Brenda or Gypsy would have been safer choices.

GLH said...

ColScott, you have access to information no one else has. What do you think might have been the reasoning behind Kasabian's participation? I had heard that Manson had been to Cielo the night before, and even one of the police reports indicated that a paper delivery boy had seen a white car with blackwall tires parked outside the gate that Wed or Thurs evening before the murders. Some thought it was Parent's car, but wasn't there a white car at Spahn? I know, just speculation. Tex said that Manson had been to Cielo the night before the murders.

Denise said...

Bill Nelson is not doing well. He's not involved at all in the case anymore. He's still in CA.

agnostic monk said...

Linda, Linda, Linda! LOL to Col. :)

But actually that is a good question. I would lean towards the drivers license reason for her inclusion (and not because I'm Linda's official P.R. person, more because it sounds like the simplest explanation). There may have been some other folks at the ranch with drivers licenses but maybe they were unavailable for Cielo due to various reasons (wasn't Patricia Krenwinkle trying to sleep off an acid trip that evening when Charlie woke her? Maybe others had been tripping that day and judged too messed up for the mission?)

Being stopped by cops with a licensed driver in the car would be far better than not having a licensed driver in the car (no matter who was driving). And they were of the mindset that if they were stopped they could throw knives and a gun out a passenger window without a cop noticing, most likely they figured switching drivers could be done without the cop noticing, prior to his initial approach towards the car.

But who knows, maybe there are deeper reasons. Weren't there rumors that Tex and Linda had been dealing together?

We could always go by Sandra Good's reason as stated in the Manson documentary (with rifle in hand). Something about Linda had been to the Tate house before so they all got in the car and Linda drove them to the Tate house?

shelby445 said...

we can speculated forever and one of us may have already stated the correct answer but we'll never know. try asking officer bob. maybe someday he will suddenly remember that he met linda at a garage sale and they talked for hours.

GLH said...

Who's Officer Bob? Does he know Linda? I think you're right. We'll never know.

shelby445 said...

bob is on kts. he "says" he lived at cielo dr for a while then out of the blue one day he remembered he met linda in a bar.

shelby445 said...

some people have a great problem reading and understanding the english language.
"Can you hear me Officer Bob? I heard a rumor that you met Linda
Kasabian at a garage sale or a bar or something and wound up chatting
with her for hours. Is that true? If so I was wondering if it would be
possible to chat with you for a moment either in the group or via
private email.

Can you let me know? Please feel free to email me. Thanks!!!!

Michael"


the garage sale thing was a sarcastic remark. chatting with her for hours was also a sarcastic remark. officer bob says he met linda in a bar years ago. i doubt there is much truth to it considering he forgot to mention it when he had his other group remember the victims. go back and read my post again michael you will see it was sarcastic.

agnostic monk said...

Sorry Shelby, sometimes I'm a dumbass. What can I say. Thanks for setting me straight.

monk

Dok said...

Your right Denise, we will never know,unless the ones who do know the truth, speak the truth.

Could the answer to this question be as simple as she was the only one available with a drivers license?

ColScott said...

Doctor

READ MAN

She didn't drive!

Dok said...

I never said she drove. What I said was maybe the reason she was there is as simple as what they said. With their great minds (joke) they felt safer with someone with a drivers license going with them.