Rudi Altobelli IS still alive. Heaven asked me to find out several weeks ago.
This led to my first chat with Rudi in three years.
This led to me encouraging him to set the record straight before dying.
This led to me making calls to my ABC news pals. A producer lady friend over there did the first Snyder interview with Charlie and the Manson Women special..
This led to Rudi doing his first interview EVER.
Will there be a bombshell? Set your TIVO for FRIDAY NIGHT May 5, 2006 ABC 20/20.
This is gonna be amazing, me hopes.
( I should be back from the frozen North next week- at last.)
(Zero etc. was just one troll. He was sent by a jealous Turner. We tracked him and exposed him to his annoyed wife. He's gone. Play well people!)
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1 – 200 of 222 Newer› Newest»Awesome Col, can't wait to see it Mate!
Glad to hear that the troll has been delt with.
Awesome!!
Thanks Col!!
Now I can finally put a face to the name....
=)
Exposed Zero for what?
I hate only knowing half the gossip lol
=)
Previous post nominated for most incoherent in this blogs history.
Minion of .Net said...
since heaven takes an interest in my boy zero she can find some useful stuff on this link that comes to you courtesy of us minions
Actually I was only kidding.. I don't have any problem with Zero.
=)
Col., you never visit my blog anymore. I'm afraid I'm going to ask for my keys back
Say it ain't so, Joe.
Still, I want to see Altobelli's mug and hear him chat about a murder scene souring his investment.
Joe said...
>>>Unset those Tivos.<<<<
Oh that is so disappointing. They will probably have him on there for all of 15 seconds of screen time. Still it will be very interesting to finally meet the man.
I wonder if he'll admit to witnessing Woyteck raping Linda and then hearing Linda yell at Woyteck on her way out the door "I'll be back with my friends and their knives to get revenge on you, you bad bad man!!!!!"
Cats said,
"Any tidbits on anything today Meatwad..."
Not much except I agree
Altobelli's got something to say.
He wasn't just an absentee landlord, he knew Melcher and probably everybody that frequented the place.
The guesthouse was just that..an adjunct to the main house used for people you know if you live there.
There really wasn't any separation to speak of....thirty (30) feet? Between the two structures, only a pool's length. A small pool.
Gunshots, screams being heard down the canyon?....how about 30 feet away. And one of those killed just left your pad. Minutes before.
Dogs didnt bark? You didnt run, get the hell out at least?
Talking about Garretson of course. And Altobellie.
And those two never have come clean.
Right, Col?
Cats said,
"And finally, Mr. Meatwad is your belly alto?"
Why, yes. It thumps like a ripe watermelon.
Whump, whump.
catscradle77 said...
Where ya been Doc???
Sorry Cat, I have been busy, busy. No time for TLB these days. Crazy I know.
Shopgirl said...
>>>>I think you are right on the mark about Linda's involvement, Savage. The one puzzling question that comes to mind is: Why then, didn't Linda disclose that Voytek raped her to the police or Bugliosi in '69? By cutting the 'deal' she did not have anything to lose by telling the truth - if that, in fact, is the truth<<<
Because it isn't the truth. This rape bullshit is crap. It would have come out long, long ago. Wild LSD-crazed elephants could not have kept this from the mouths of all involved back in 1969-70. No way in hell.
Savage RDDB-DA said...
>>>Another key detail linking frykowski to linda is the fact that Voyteck had a history of womanizing and getting what he wanted.<<<
Savage your language is very deceptive. That detail about Frykowski's sexual tendancies doesn't LINK him to Linda Kasabian any more than it LINKS him to a gazillion other young women kicking around the Los Angeles party scene in the late 60's.
I could cherry-pick little details here and there, play "connect-the-dots", and formulate my own conspiracy theory that would sound just as plausible. Except mine would involve time-traveling aliens from a distant galaxy, plus Zacarias Moussaoui and Madonna.
Have you ever known a junkie? They do not think straight. Ever hear the saying "Never trust a junkie"? Think about where he was at the day he died. He was on a 9 day binge, that he bragged about. Tox reports for VF showed a high drug level in his system. I don't think he was a clear thinker, nor do I think he was a rapist. Nat, I think you are giving VF to much credit.
Here kitty, kitty, kitty.....
It's still my opinion that Voyteck didn't need to rape anyone.. Not only did he have Abigail and could barely speak english AND was stoned out of his gord more than he wasn't, there were more than enough girls hanging Cielo for him to screw if he so desired.
I also say that if Linda had been raped, it would have come out at the trial. Even if Bugliosi didn't use it, the prosecution would have. Even to this very day, Tex denies Linda having any involvement. Manson himself doesn't point any fingers at Linda... The only one still clinging to this is Savage...
That's my opinion and I'm stickin to it...
=)
I agree with you, Savage does have a well thought out theory. But, his theory has nothing to back it up besides more speculation....
Which is ok cause he's only stating his opinion.. So it's all good....
=)
catscradle77 said...
My DOk said...
Here kitty, kitty, kitty.....
>>>I am here Dok-I missed ya, man. I hear ya on the junkie thing-if it is bad enough, ya better nail down yer belongings. And, I really hate to be gross, but the guy was pretty hopped up on something-with all the deadly blows he took.
10:41 AM
Amen my twista playing sista. VF took a serious beating.
Heaven, smashing video! Appreciate you hooking us up with your link.
Thank you, I'm glad you liked it
=)
Salem,
Could you please email me at heaven_71@yahoo.com
I need to ask you something...
=)
It cannot be missed.
I have never seen Mr. Alto Belly.
Wait a minute, its opposite a Seinfeld re-run, man....
I dunno
Never seen the show...was kiddin'.
Don't be messin' with da man.
Matlock git it done. Right kindly so.
Give me a f'in hot dog, dammit.
Donut need no smart mouf from some ijot....gimmme da french mustard..french poop on it.
Womens...always axing the same dayum question.
How the laundry gone git done?
Hell, I don know. Git you a chinee.
Ah had me a womens like dat.
All ways da bus ran over da shit.
Come home wit KFC with road grit.
All ways
She say it extree cripee like.
Ah hopes you had da kechup.
Dayum.
Ah taut me ma dawg to do thet.
"As a punishment, he made me eat ma own cookin for a wik... "
He even liked it so Ma all ways cooked it up thet ways.
We don git no hair on no bikuit 'round here.
We cooks em rite aways before it grow.
Speakin of Chee pet, I bought un o those.
That Elvis Chee pet.
Boy he look good wit that green hair. I even put ma mouf on his face. My laud.
I thought Rudi was going to be interviewed about the case..
Ya know, setting the record straight before he dies.
I wasn't expecting this to only be about him selling the house lol
Oh well, least I got to put a face to the name... He wasn't what I had pictured....
=)
that was the lamest thing I ever saw
why did he even bother to do it
Calling him right now
I stayed home tonight for THAT?! I broke plans so I could stay home, do my laundry, and finally get to hear Rudi dish about his house, the people, and the case.
Well he did talk about the house a bit. It does kind of creep me out that he still felt so affectionate towards - and continued to live in - the house even after what happened there. And he was very fond of Sharon, wasn't he?
He talked about how just a few weeks after the murders he felt "safe" and "loved" coming home there. I would have felt anything but.
what don't I get Genius Joe?
He's a friend insofar as I know him and he takes my call
What don't I Get
and spare the homophobia JOE!
Col Scott didn't conduct nor control the interview. So it isn't his fault how it turned out. Col Scott was simply the messenger.
Even if it wasn't what I thought it was, it was still worth watching. Least now I can put a face to the name...
Col, I appreciate you letting us know it was going to be on.....
=)
Heaven said...
>>>Col, I appreciate you letting us know it was going to be on.....<<<
oh me too. dont get me wrong I bitched and moaned about being disappointed but it was better than nothing and I would have completely missed it if not for the heads up from the Col.
Thanks Col!!!!
(oh and I would need some serious proof before I would believe that Altobelli billed Roman for the bloody carpet. If it is indeed true than Rudi is pretty gross as Joe indicated. I still can't get over the fact that he was so fond of Sharon and spent time with her and yet wasn't bothered by moving back into the house. I dont think you could possibly pay me enough to move back in there.)
Audio Magic said...
>>>I found his remarks about feeling all warm and fuzzy or whatever to be odd, but you have to remember not everyone is as morbid, and as easily creeped as we are, lol!
AM aka Chasing Bunnies<<<<
Yeah, I guess maybe he was so in love with that house before the murders - and who could blame him, the house and the property were pretty amazing - that he refused to let something even this bad sour his feelings for the home.
Hey, is this forum big enough for TWO AM's????!!!!!
:)
I read the same thing about Rudi suing Roman for damages.. It was in the newspapers that I found in my parents attic on the case.
It was never mentioned in Bugliosi's book, therefore most people don't believe it..
But tis true, it did happen...
=)
shoresendz said...
My two cents? I always wanted to know what the guy, who sued a down and out victims’ family, looked like. And now, thanks to the Col, I can put a face to the name on the lawsuit against Sharon Tate’s estate that claimed his carpet and furnishings and other personal items were damaged beyond repair due to the victims’ inconsiderate blood-letting. The guy’s an irredeemable scumbag.
11:24 AM
Dito! Well said.
I believe read that the case was thrown out as being ridiculous...
I'd have to go back and read it again to be sure of the exact wording...
=)
Everyone calm down and be nice to each other or Linda is going to get upset!!!!
Audio Magic said...
Excuse me for the typo. I didn't know they offended you. This isn't a legal document it's a blog. I don't speak legalese. Are you going to sue me now? It is my opinion that just because something is legally documented does not mean it's true. By the way, you still READ it. Charles Manson was never proven to have killed anyone either, but he got the DP anyhow. It's on record. It's friggin' documented.
Ummm yeah, this was a legal document and yes it was true..
As for Manson getting the DP for not killing anyone, he did kinda confess to killing Shorty. Last thing you blat before a jury when you're being tried for murder is that you cut someones head off..
Jurys are funny that way..
=)
catscradle77 said...
Thanks Heaven. I didn't know whether or not the guy actually won-it is really kind of sick, and then saying he felt the love in the house made me shake my head..
I agree... Rudi claimed to have cared about Sharon.. This was an asshole thing to do to her family so soon after her death...
Heaven said...
>>>I agree... Rudi claimed to have cared about Sharon.. This was an asshole thing to do to her family so soon after her death...<<<<
that man's got a lose screw or two. the house meant "love" and "safety" to him even after Sharon was gutted like a fish on his carpet. and then this lawsuit thing. what the hell is wrong with people?
where does being an asshole cross over into pure mental illness?
Salem said...
>>>>Audio
I will always beleive CM over others, he has no reason to lie,he has nothing to gain or lose, he isnt ever gonna get out.and Charles Manson says
HE NEVER KILLED ANYONE!<<<
but he did admit to tying up the labiancas, no? when he told this to Diane Sawyer and she asked him something along the lines of "so you tied them up and then left knowing full well what they had done the night before at Tate's? What were you expecting to happen?"
His answer was less than forthright or even logical.
Something about "I dont live in the world of expectations, woman". Ok Chucky whatever.
Diane Sawyer looked like she wanted to reach out and smack him for being so obtuse.
Salem said...
He may have tied up hands but like I said..
Manson NEVER killed anyone.
4:36 PM
He still participated in their deaths.
Salem said...
>>>He may have tied up hands but like I said..
Manson NEVER killed anyone.<<<
I guess it depends on what your definition of KILLING is. If he restrained people so that someone else could actually drive the knives into their flesh, well.....
"where does being an asshole cross over into pure mental illness?"
That, my friend, is a very good question!
=)
Manson shot Crowe, with the sole intention of killing him. He was even convinced that he did kill him...
Manson then panicked because he thought the Black Panthers were comin after him...
Manson, up until the very second he laid eyes on Crowe in court, was still convinced that he had killed him...
Manson may not have killed the Tate/Labianca victims, but ole boy WAS capable of murder.
Manson "fans" will spend eternity convincing themselves that poor Charlie was unjustifiably sent to prison. Just don't bet the farm that Manson's hands are blood free simply because he says they are...
Manson is and always will be a master at manipulation.
What a very unique position Kanarek was in. Defending a client who said he didn't do it. Like that card has never been played before...
Salem said...
>>>Monk says.Diane Sawyer looked like she wanted to reach out and smack him for being so obtuse.
well she should have maybe, He's been beaten all his life and treated worse than some animals have, so HIT HIM AGAIN!
ya think he's not accustomed to that by now!<<<
the point is that she was getting extremely frustrated with him as he refused to answer any questions in a cogent, straightforward manner. She was getting straightforward answers from Patricia and Leslie, but not from Charlie.
The sense I got from Sawyer's attitude during the interview was that she KNEW she was not talking to a psychopath. She KNEW she was talking to someone who had a modicum of intelligence and sense but someone who refused to converse as such, and who refused to own up to his part in making things turn out the way they did. He was just playing games with her and someone like Diane Sawyer is smart enough to see through it.
Oh yes, for the record, I know that Shortys head was not cut off...
My point was, if Manson was worried about going back to prison, maybe he should have been more careful what he yelled in front of the jury..
Shortys body wasn't found until many years later. The jury didn't know Manson from Adam.. So in a nutshell, his little outburst was an admission of guilt in the eyes of the jury..
Manson hung himself... He has no one to blame BUT himself. Had he allowed his lawyer to defend him, maybe things would have been different. Not one person testified that Manson was not involved. The defense rested without calling one single witness...
Who's fault is that?
=)
Heaven said...
>>>>The defense rested without calling one single witness...
Who's fault is that?<<<
You know Heaven you bring up a very interesting point that I've been wondering about a lot lately.
Recently I caught some old footage of Sandra Good and the girls on the corner. they were kneeling on the corner, it was literally the moment they heard the verdict announced over the radio (you could hear the radio news announcer relaying the verdicts), with tons of reporters and cameras all around them.
Sandy: "You've all judged yourselves poorly!"
Brenda: "Are you guys proud of a system where a man cannot defend himself? Are you proud of it?"
Reporter: "That was a 8 month trial"
Kitty: "Yeah, 8 months of PROSECUTION testimony!"
Sandra: "That was 8 months of prosecution testimony that convicted these people and you are next, all of you! There's a revolution coming very soon!"
My question is, what on earth were the girls bitching and moaning about? THE DEFENSE RESTED. The defense had an opportunity to continue to challenge the prosecution, but they RESTED. Why is Sandra Good blaming me, you, and The Establishment for that? Shouldn't she have been blaming Kanarek, Fitzgerald, and Manson himself for orchestrating the defense in such a way?
You said it exactly Monk...
It was everyone's fault but their own.. To this day, each one of them still blames something or someone, but never themselves...
The lawyers were only doing what they were told to do by their clients.. How many lawyers did Leslie herself go through?
The whole trial was a mockery, but it wasn't the fault of society, the media, the jury or the court itself. The girls acted like complete idiots.. All Manson had to do was nod and they'd jump up and do something stupid..
Showing the jury just how "controlled" they were..
Manson leapt at the judge, screeching like he was on fire, armed with a pencil he was probably hoping to jam into the judge..
Everyday there was some new theatric, something stupid they did before the jury...
But it's our fault they were found guilty LOL
Audio,
What exactly is Manson's babblings supposed to prove?
That he didn't kill anyone? If so, maybe he should come up with a new approach.. Saying you're innocent is something a lot of guilty people have claimed..
Salem said...
My point was, if Manson was worried about going back to prison, maybe he should have been more careful what he yelled in front of the jury..
maybe he should have yelled a LOT MORE!
If you believe Manson to be innocent, what more would you have wanted him to yell? lol
shoresendz said...
Heaven said: I believe read that the case was thrown out as being ridiculous...
I'd have to go back and read it again to be sure of the exact wording...
Audio Magic said: And the Altobelli suit was thrown out wasn't it?
--------------
No, the case wasn’t thrown out. It actually dragged on for a couple of years. The end result: Altobelli won. He received $4,350 in back rent and the Polanski’s $2,400 security deposit.
Thank you Shores, I wasn't 100% sure on that part.
=)
Salem said...
Heaven said...
Audio,
What exactly is Manson's babblings supposed to prove?
That he didn't kill anyone? If so, maybe he should come up with a new approach.. Saying you're innocent is something a lot of guilty people have claimed..
Like I said before if YOU arent *in* then you dont know.
And you will never know Heaven since all your info comes from books ya read.
Ummmmm, nope.. I have a whole lot more than books...
I just don't go by what Sandra OR Manson say lol
catscradle77 said...
Shores said: No, the case wasn’t thrown out. It actually dragged on for a couple of years. The end result: Altobelli won. He received $4,350 in back rent and the Polanski’s $2,400 security deposit.
>>I wonder what his lawyer cost him?
I kinda wonder that myself...
I really don't give a shit about Manson.. I think he's where he belongs..
That's my personal opinion. Others are entitled to theirs...
=)
Salem said...
>>>Good believes that a war against pollution and the
destruction of the Earth is a just war....a fight for life, the
only cause she can see for war.<<<<
oh that's right, I forgot. Sharon's baby had to die in order to save the trees! Thank God we had Sandra and the Manson Family fighting for our trees! Otherwise Baby Paul would have been born and we know how devastating to the world that would have been.
It was a close one there folks. Two more weeks and Baby Paul would have been born and then who knows what manner of destruction the earth would have suffered as a result!
Thank you Sandra for saving the world from Baby Paul!!!!!
I'm just curious, but isn't it better to get information on Manson regarding his innocence from someone who isn't biased?
Sandra is in love with Manson, she'd follow him off a cliff.. So of course she'd say he did nothing wrong...
=)
Salem said...
>>>>Like I said before if YOU arent *in* then you dont know.
And you will never know Heaven since all your info comes from books ya read.<<<<
Salem why do you talk like this? *IN*? You sound like you're describing a high school clique.
agnostic monk said...
Salem said...
>>>>Like I said before if YOU arent *in* then you dont know.
And you will never know Heaven since all your info comes from books ya read.<<<<
Salem why do you talk like this? *IN*? You sound like you're describing a high school clique.
I think it's because she talks to Sandy, and writes to Manson.. Who are both biased about his innocence lol
Salem is most welcome to her opinions....
=)
Salem said...
>>>>Thank you Sandra for saving the world from Baby Paul!!!!!
no Monk
thank tex and Susan and Pat for that!<<<
Salem I dont want to have to type in the quote of Sandy's from a not-too-old documentary where she emphatically, beyond a doubt, describes how she, and all her friends, felt that the deaths of the people at the Tate house were totally justified.
Here's just a small snippet: "If these people in Hollywood had to go, then so be it. It made sense to me. It made sense to all of us. In war, sometimes killing is necessary."
Thank you Sandra, for saving us!!!!
Salem said...
heaven.. That he didn't kill anyone? If so, maybe he should come up with a new approach.. Saying you're innocent is something a lot of guilty people have claimed..
maybe the fact that HE wasnt even there when the murders occured says somethng! ya think???????
Nope, cause he was at the LaBianca's, tied them up and gave his instructions to Tex on what he wanted done. He told him to make it look like Hinman and the Tate house..
So he was there... He was only hoping that leaving before the murders took place would save his ass...
Salem said...
Salem why do you talk like this? *IN*? You sound like you're describing a high school clique.
maybe I should say the Real Wheel then...make any difference?
If being *in* means associating with people who lie, threaten, steal and murder, I'm glad I'm *out* lol
=)
Audio Magic said...
Heaven said...
You said it exactly Monk...
It was everyone's fault but their own.. To this day, each one of them still blames something or someone, but never themselves...
The lawyers were only doing what they were told to do by their clients.. How many lawyers did Leslie herself go through?
The whole trial was a mockery, but it wasn't the fault of society, the media, the jury or the court itself. The girls acted like complete idiots.. All Manson had to do was nod and they'd jump up and do something stupid..
Showing the jury just how "controlled" they were..
Manson leapt at the judge, screeching like he was on fire, armed with a pencil he was probably hoping to jam into the judge..
Everyday there was some new theatric, something stupid they did before the jury...
But it's our fault they were found guilty LOL
5:27 PM
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Manson was put on medication in Vacaville, (or Pelican Bay)..for mental illness...I still wonder why all of them weren't put in a institution, and put on medication for life. Or deprogrammed if they were doing what Manson told them to do if he was insane. Why wasn't there an insanity defense. People get off all the time by reason of mental disease or defect.
Because they were not ruled to be mentally unstable, or insane. They were all interviewed by psychiatrists and were found competent...
Tex tried the insanity thing for his trial. He was a good actor, but it didn't work...
=)
Salem said...
Heaven said...
I really don't give a shit about Manson.. I think he's where he belongs..
That's my personal opinion. Others are entitled to theirs...
Ironic,,,as I am sure CM gives a shit about some of us. But in his letters he writes about how pissed he is about Preists molesting kids, and he writes how children should be taught to live off the land and get away from computers and video games. Get back to the Farm*
He has a group NOW taking courses to help get his message out.
Nuff said.....
think as ya wish.
Well, all I can say is he must be realizing his own immortality. Being he's 71 years old, he realizes that he can't live forever. Might as well convince a few people he's just a good ole boy before he goes lol
=)
I am confused by one very small thing, well two actually...
He wants children to get off computers, but if they do, they won't be able to visit his ATWA site that he has one of his "children" running online for him...
Second, how does he propose to "get his message out"?
Something tells me he'll need his children to use a *gasp* computer LOL
=)
According to Manson's own admission, he was at the LaBianca's and tied them up, along with his buddy Tex...
He says he went back out to the car, telling Leslie, Tex and Patricia....
"Do it good. Make sure that it's done so the pigs will put it together with Hinman and that pad last night. We're going to find another house. When you finish up, hitch hike back to the ranch and we'll see you there."
This is Manson's own confession. I'm sorry if his memory is now a bit muddled since he is considered elderly. But that is what he confessed to saying...
37 years behind bars, most of it spent in a place called "the hole" would probably give one plenty of time to think up a new story lol
Salem said...
He wants children to get off computers, but if they do, they won't be able to visit his ATWA site that he has one of his "children" running online for him...
he has no ATWA site.
Ummm, when I made that comment a month or so ago, you quickly corrected me. Saying that Sandra is still running the site... Has that changed now? Cause I had heard she was no longer doing it, but you assured me that she was...
Audio Magic said...
Heaven said...
Because they were not ruled to be mentally unstable, or insane. They were all interviewed by psychiatrists and were found competent...
Tex tried the insanity thing for his trial. He was a good actor, but it didn't work...
=)
6:21 PM
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Look what you just said about their behavior, Heaven. Wasn't it obvious that they were not competent. Shrinks deciding who's insane bugs the shit outta me. Maybe they didn't have the DSM IV back then, but look up that behavior in the book now and that's freakin' crazy! Plus, Judge Older wouldn't allow Charlie to assist in his own defense, meaning Manson wasn't competent.The girls behaving like lunatics says insane to me. Next to the word Insane in Websters Dictionary should have Charlie's picture next to it. Tex was scrambled and insane. Drugs can kick start major insanity if you have a propensity in that direction in the firts place. Tex and the rest all showed symptoms of some sort of mental illness. So the shrinks have the last word on whats sane or not? Psychiatry isn't even considered an exact science. Plus they have a very high suicide rate.
It was only obvious that they could act like idiots.. Tex tried the same game, granted he didn't use theatrics, but it didn't work for him either.
To this day, no one in this case has ever been found to be mentally unstable or insane. And they see shrinks all the time...
Little too late now for them to be claiming insanity...
Salem said...
Sandra is in love with Manson, she'd follow him off a cliff.. So of course she'd say he did nothing wrong...
ummmm
so is (RED)Lynn, so shes crazy also?
I never said any of them were crazy...
=)
I'm rather curious.. Anyone know who's running this site?
http://www.mansondirect.com/
Salem said...
That's rather one sided thinking, is it not?
Why do you consider being "In" as a bad thing? If people share the same beliefs or visions about life, who are we to be judgemental?
It kinda has to be one sided, I'm not going to consult them before offering my opinion lol
I personally wouldn't hang around with people who were capable of such things.. It's just not who I am or what I believe in...
Salem said...
He says he went back out to the car, telling Leslie, Tex and Patricia....
"Do it good. Make sure that it's done so the pigs will put it together with Hinman and that pad last night. We're going to find another house. When you finish up, hitch hike back to the ranch and we'll see you there."
umm
sorry i have never read that.
I'm sorry about that, but just because you've never read it doesn't mean he didn't say it...
=)
Audio Magic said...
Heaven, it's not our fault they were found guilty and I didn't say that. I just think that Bugliosi coached witnesses and his Helter Skelter theory is totally insane, but Bugliosi did what all of Hollywood wanted. He put them away. He did his job. I don't buy it. I think the killings had a more realistic reason such as drugs and money. Al Springer, Paul Watkins, Steve Grogan, and Danny DeCarlo weren't exactly models of stability, nor was Linda Kasabian.
None of them were "stable", if they were, they wouldn't have needed Manson as much as they did...
But there's a difference between being unstable and being insane..
None of the killers want you or anyone to label them as "mentally ill".. That would defeat the whole purpose they have at parole hearings.
Pretending to be insane is a very common thing to those facing execution. That's why the courts have professionals in place to make that determination.
I personally think Andrea Yates was VERY mentally ill, but experts say she isn't.. That she knew exactly what she was doing. They're in a much better place to make that diagnosis than I am...
Salem said...
Heaven says Ummm, when I made that comment a month or so ago, you quickly corrected me. Saying that Sandra is still running the site... Has that changed now? Cause I had heard she was no longer doing it, but you assured me that she was...
NO!I did NOT! That site was taken over by someone. (ST Cyane) Peter Wentworth) Sandy isnt running a site, George did most of the work when the site was up and running. that was 6 years ago.( I think)
George nor Sandy have a website. I did say that Sandy and George DO visit certain sites.
The only site I know that has any (credible)info about CM is Manson Direct.com.
It doesn't matter to me one way or the other if she's running any sites or not. My point was, without the computer, Manson isn't going to have an easy time of getting his message out......
=)
Savage,
I'm not even going to touch the subject of Susan with you... lol
I'll stand behind my earlier comment. It's been 37 years and it's a little late now for anyone to use the insanity defense...
=)
Audio,
Does it really matter now after all these years? They're not going to get paroled now on an insanity plea.. They'd have to be re-tried and that isn't going to happen...
"They've done everything to provve their sanity and the shrinks still say they are unstable."
Once again, there is difference between unstable and insane...
Savage said
"Susan always gets blamed for things that she didn't do because, at the time of her grand jury testimony, she was very much under the influence of Charles Manson and wanted to play it up so that the whole world would know about "M", as she put it."
That's her fault
"Susan told me herself that she said things that simply weren't true and I believe her."
That's your choice
"What Tex and Pat did was never in doubt and the stab wounds on the victims prove that. What Susan did was stupid but she's not a cold blooded murderer as history paints her out to be."
Again, I'm not going to debate Susan with you. You've said, said and re-said this stuff in several other topics. I see no need to cover ground we've already covered more than a dozen times..
=)
Audio Magic said...
Heaven said...
I really don't give a shit about Manson.. I think he's where he belongs..
That's my personal opinion. Others are entitled to theirs...
=)
5:55 PM
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That's true Manson is where he should be in order to stay alive. Away from those who would like to kill him. The problem is that he is in the wrong prison. He wants to tranfer to a prison near his home where he grew up. Same situation, different location.
I can understand that... I'm sure Manson is in a very frightening place. I sure as hell wouldn't wanna be there. But lets be real, Manson loves his notoriety...
=)
Salem said...
That's true Manson is where he should be in order to stay alive. Away from those who would like to kill him. The problem is that he is in the wrong prison. He wants to tranfer to a prison near his home where he grew up. Same situation, different location.
ya
he does Audio. But of course he will never be transfered.(until his death) :(
I always wondered why Bobby got to Oregon and has his studio and other things and CM cant even have a guitar unless it is sent to the chapel.
I can only assume it's because Bobby is no where near as famous as Manson. A lot of people have never even heard of Bobby...
Salem said...
But lets be real, Manson loves his notoriety...
says heaven.
really?
is that why he asked sandy to take the ATWA site down???
It was CM who wanted it taken off as he was getting to much attention in prison.
That's what YOU say, no offense intended. But before I believe that Manson doesn't like the attention, I'd like to hear him say it...
The ATWA site is not down, it's still there and you can still view it in it's entirety...
http://www.atwa.info/
Looks like it's still there to me...
=)
=)
Salem said...
The ATWA site is not down, it's still there and you can still view it in it's entirety...
http://www.atwa.info/
Looks like it's still there to me...
OMG HEAVEN
I SAID IT WAS TAKEN OVER BY SOMEONE ELSE! SANDY AND GEORGE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT SITE!THEY LEFT IT 6 OR 7 YEARS AGO.
Then WHAT SITE WAS IT MANSON SAID HE WANTED TAKEN DOWN? We can both scream but it doesn't change the fact that the site is still there.
Salem said...
But lets be real, Manson loves his notoriety...
says heaven.
really?
is that why he asked sandy to take the ATWA site down???
It was CM who wanted it taken off as he was getting to much attention in prison.
Salem, ummmmm....you did say it was taken down. Read your comment above to refresh your memory.
Where did you say that it was taken over????? You didn't.
Dr.Dodopariti said...
Salem said...
But lets be real, Manson loves his notoriety...
says heaven.
really?
is that why he asked sandy to take the ATWA site down???
It was CM who wanted it taken off as he was getting to much attention in prison.
Salem, ummmmm....you did say it was taken down. Read your comment above to refresh your memory.
Thank you Dr.Dodopariti...
I knew I wasn't the only one who could read english LOL
=)
WOW Audio, why are you so vicious? Jealous because Heaven is smart and beautiful?
Salem said...
Salem, ummmmm....you did say it was taken down. Read your comment above to refresh your memory.
DOC
It was taken down for 2 days I think after I called peter, then it was on ebay...Now its back up and I guess Mr Wentworth still owns it, I dont go there, Sandy nor george have anything to do with it.
peace
No offence intended Salem, but you DID say the site was taken down, I only called you on your words...
=)
Heaven said...
Audio said..
Who really cares what you think Heaven...maybe folks would take you more seriously if you actually went to and finished law school, and didn't have a porn star as your photo next to your name. One who sticks little doo-dads up her coochie to give to men in the audience during her perfomances. I listen to Howard Stern and she is a guest sometimes and just bugs the shit out of me. She even bugs Howard once in a while. You say people tell you that you look like her? Was that before or after her breast implants, cheek bone implants, collagen lips, Botox injections, and fried white hair, with hair extentions or afer. LOL! I've seen your real photo HAhahhahahaha! You are nuttier than Susan Atkins. At least Jameson is making big bucks with her Vivid Video Corporation and not posing in Daisy Dukes posting all about her Manson Family expertise by reading stupid books and clippings she found in her parents attic...
Sorry Audio, but nothing you can say would have any effect on me.
What do you care who I have as my picture? Is it really any of your business?
Unlike you, I don't care what people think of me.. I state my opinions just like you do, only I'm not glued to this blog 24/7, I actually have a life off the computer.
You may say whatever you like, your words have no effect on me..
Salem, I don't go there either. I went but then when I learned that it had a different owner I thought "Whats the point".
Salem, look whos talking: the judgmental mental case that can't keep her lies straight.
Goodnight Heaven, ignore the fat dumpy house wives who think they still look good in a bathing suit and cowboy hat. They have nothing better to do but be jealous of you.
Salem said...
Dr.Dodopariti said...
WOW Audio, why are you so vicious? Jealous because Heaven is smart and beautiful
LMAO
Audio is a natural beauty and very very smart!
Just because she doesnt have some bleach blonde slut as a icon beside her name, dont judge her!
WOW, some people have a problem with the icon I chose.. Hmm, that tells me that I chose the right one... I love it when the smallest thing gets people so fired up..
But Salem, I believe it was Audio who had her claws out judging me.... But that's ok, I stopped letting stuff online bother me a long time ago.
You've been very nice to me in the emails we've exchanged so I hope your not insinuating anything about me simply because of my icon...
=)
Dr.Dodopariti said...
Salem, look whos talking: the judgmental mental case that can't keep her lies straight.
Goodnight Heaven, ignore the fat dumpy house wives who think they still look good in a bathing suit and cowboy hat. They have nothing better to do but be jealous of you.
Night Dr Dodopariti, have a wonderful evening..
=)
Heaven said...
Dr.Dodopariti said...
WOW Audio, why are you so vicious? Jealous because Heaven is smart and beautiful?
Probably because it knows that I have a hell of a lot more then just some old newspapers. That's like the 3rd time Audio has mentioned the old papers I found.. Could be jealousy because I have more artifacts on the case then they do.. Or maybe it's because I don't share their opinion of the "mentally ill" defense. Some people just can't handle a differing opinion. It gets them all bent out of shape.
Either way, it makes them look very petty and juvenile. That outburst was something right out of junior high... lol
Audio Magic said...
>>>Who really cares what you think Heaven...maybe folks would take you more seriously....<<<<
Ok Audio now you're just acting senselessly cruel and belligerant. You might not agree with Heaven on a lot of things, but she participates in this blog in a positive way. She likes to discuss things and she is knowledgable. We don't have to cut each other up in here just because we disagree with each other.
Who cares who Heaven has a pic of in her profile? Big deal. I dont think most people take her any less seriously than they take you.
Now you can feel free to rip me to shreds for saying this, but I think the personal insults are stupid.
And you're making Linda cry. :(
Salem said...
Could be jealousy because I have more artifacts on the case then they do..
lol
I dont think so sweetheart!
wanna lil voodoo doll that Charlie made and I will stick a lil pin in it..and make you purty!
I think it's a petty thing to attack other members here because of how YOU (not you personally) think they should look. Plenty of you had a fit about this very thing in the Debra Tate posts..
But if it makes some of you feel superior, have at it... I'm tough...
=)
Salem said...
Goodnight Heaven, ignore the fat dumpy house wives who think they still look good in a bathing suit and cowboy hat. They have nothing better to do but be jealous of you.
LOL too funny
I weigh 100 lbs wow thats really
fat!
Dont hate me becuz i have real BOOBS and have a life.
I don't think Dr was referring to you...
I have real boobs too, like that matters..
=)
Salem said...
Dr.Dodopariti said...
WOW Audio, why are you so vicious? Jealous because Heaven is smart and beautiful?
you havent seen the real heaven dude.
And you have?
Lots of true colors being shown here in just the last 5 minutes..
Salem and I have been exchanging emails and in private, she's just as sweet and polite as can be. But in a public forum, boy are the claws ever showing lol
Salem said...
Salem and I have been exchanging emails and in private, she's just as sweet and polite as can be. But in a public forum, boy are the claws ever showing lol
I can be very sweet, and I am a very nice person...I just dont like being called a LIAR!
Please post exactly where I called you a liar...
I think you just like jumping in whenever there's bashing going on....
Salem said...
>>>>Dr.Dodopariti said...
WOW Audio, why are you so vicious? Jealous because Heaven is smart and beautiful?
you havent seen the real heaven dude.<<<
you too Salem???!!
Whats with all the meanness???!!!
agnostic monk said...
Salem said...
>>>>Dr.Dodopariti said...
WOW Audio, why are you so vicious? Jealous because Heaven is smart and beautiful?
you havent seen the real heaven dude.<<<
you too Salem???!!
Whats with all the meanness???!!!
I'd like to know the answer to that one too. Here I thought we were having a very nice discussion and BOOM, suddenly no one takes me seriously because instead of going to law school, I dedicated my life to my kids and I'm judged by my icon. Which in itself is pretty pathetic..
For the record, I couldn't finish law school cause I never started going. I said (if anyone bothers to actually read) that I was teaching myself because I decided to dedicate my life to my kids, Since when is that a crime? And since when does my life concern anyone here?
Heaven please don't dignify this shit by explaining yourself.
We were having a nice discussion, and then it got ugly because of some bad moods or something.
Too bad :(
Audio Magic said...
Agnostic Monk said...
Now you can feel free to rip me to shreds for saying this, but I think the personal insults are stupid.
And you're making Linda cry. :(
8:27 PM
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I like you Monk, because you aren't a know-it-all with books to quote from, and clippings, and artifacts in your parents attic, and neither do I. I don't know Jack for the most part...Why would I rip you to shreds? I'm sorry for making Linda cry
:(
I never proclaimed to be a know-it-all. I just didn't agree with your "mental illness" defense. You obviously couldn't handle that.
Why be on a discussion forum if you can't handle people disagreeing with you?
Nevermind, I don't care.
Audio Magic said...
>>>I'm sorry for making Linda cry<<<<
Well, she *IS* crying. I haven't seen her this upset since Kanarek dropped the death photo of a blood-smeared Sharon Tate in her lap on the witness stand! and no amount of meth or weed seems to be calming her down either!
Audio Magic said...
>>>I like you Monk, because you aren't a know-it-all<<<
actually I can be pretty opinionated
Salem said...
>>>I was called a liar and a mental case etc<<<
well it wasn't Heaven who called you those things Salem.
Susan_Sucks said...
>>>Audio why don't you take your opinions and <<<
Oh man, Linda is so upset right now she is practically convulsing.
I think we need a playground monitor in here.
Salem said...
Please post exactly where I called you a liar...
I think you just like jumping in whenever there's bashing going on....
says heaven.
I say.
I was here before the bashing started then I was called a liar and a mental case etc.. set the record STRAIGHT.
goodnite
Salem, I never called you a liar or a mental case. Please go back and post the exact post where you think I said this.
Any reference I made tonight about liars or mental cases, were about the killers. I never once said anything at all like that to you. I didn't even call the killers mental cases, I believe it was Audio who was making that connection.
When I said I wouldn't associate with liars, thieves and murderers, I was referring to Susan, Tex, Leslie and Patricia.. I never once said you. Are you trying to suggest that you are one of those people?
I have absolutely no idea how you came up with all of this...
Salem said...
>>>DR POOP OR WHAT EVER STARTED THIS MESS.<<<
I'm not computing how the Dr.'s comments opened the door for you to say such nasty things about Heaven.
Ok, this is getting realy stupid. Susan_Sucks, I know you're only trying to help, but you're not. So please stop ok?
I know you're intentions are good but fighting over something as silly as the icon I'm using is ridiclous. I chose it cause I thought it was funny. I didn't chose it to get everyone all bent out of shape.. The only resemblance I bare to Jenna is we're both blonde. I never said I was beautiful. I'm just me.. Ok?....
As for the ID hijacking, this isn't the first time it's happened and it won't be the last....
I was under the impression that if you had a picture in your account, it made hijacking you harder to do....
Apparently that's not true.
I don't know who Heaven Can't Wait is and I don't care. If they want to mock me, it's a free country, I can't stop them.. But I just wish we could stop all this foolishness over my frigging icon. If it's that offensive, don't look at it. I think it's funny so I'm keeping it...
Audio obviously doesn't like me.. That's her business.. I'm not applying for a popularity contest. It was never my intention to offend anyone here, but apparently I have..
Life goes on.. So please, lets just drop this, ok??
Thanks
=)
Heaven
Thank you Susan_Sucks, I know you're heart was in the right place and I love ya too lol
I gutta go help my daughter practice for her driving test she's taking next week...
This should prove to be a very scary afternoon lol
=)
Someone help me with this (I haven't read the comments yet, so sorry if someone already covered this.) I thought Atobelli lived in the guest house. Is this incorrect? I know he was living there when Sharon and Roman first moved in. On another note, he flew out to Europe with Sharon, he had to of known that Abigail and Voyteck were staying there. If he had a problem with it, he should have taken care of it then, not after the murders. JMO
audio magic, you have a very mean spirit. i thought you were supposed to be an adult. I'm still in high school and even i don't act that immature.
Salem, how sad you must be. You feigned a friendship with Heaven. Even sending private correspondence. I feel for Heaven, because she honestly liked you and believed in you and this is how she is treated. If this is how "Old School" is, then I will pass. Heaven has shown class and has even requested people to not make odious comments towards you and Audio. That is "New School" class.
Does anyone know the answer to my question from earlier about Rudi Atobelli?
Did Atobelli live in the guest house or the main house? I'm confused.
Thanks Shore. Did Atobelli ever move into the main house?
Audio, I'm glad to hear that those posts werent you. I have always enjoyed your point of view and was dissapointed by the comments being posted. I guess none of use are safe even with a photo.
I saw the 20/20 show.
It was interesting where the chick would not even sleep where rapes might have ocurred.
I remember somebody I know bought a house where the husband shot the wife in the back of the head in the kitchen.
It was in escrow.
He asked for a price reduction, lol.
Still wanted the house. And he and his wife bought it and lived in it. No problem, gimme some cash,lol.
Dr. Dodoxxx said,
"Audio, I'm glad to hear that those posts werent you. I have always enjoyed your point of view and was dissapointed by the comments being posted. I guess none of use are safe even with a photo. "
I really doubt anyone can hijack a post when a photo is there.
I will consider all posts with a photo real until there is any substantial evidence pointing otherwise.
Salem said,
"anyone have a pic of the new house that was put up after the Tate home was removed"
I dont, its probably just some new ugly condo.
catscradle77 said...
>>>It was interesting. I live in an older house..When my son was two-he claimed a guy named Bob was tickling him when he would lay on his back in his bedroom. Bob would say "you are in my way".<<<<
oh wow I just got shivers, cats. Reminds me of Twin Peaks. Anyone remember that show? The evil spirit Bob was attacking and killing people. David Lynch is one twisted mofo (but I love him).
Cats said,
"Hey Meatwad-
Hope all is well. Throwing on Pat Boone "Crazy Train" and was hoping you would show for that good alto beat.'
Is that the Pat Boone "metal" album?
Dayum, I gotta git that.
Monk said,
"David Lynch is one twisted mofo (but I love him)."
Big Lynch fan here....Mulholland Drive, mostly.
catscradle77 said...
>>>>I slept on the couch that night.<<<<
I think *I* might be sleeping on the couch tonight after reading that, cats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cats said,
"the stunning rendition of "You Got Another Thing Coming""
One of my fave 80's tunes.
You could use the base to get off instead of a vibrator...
meatwad said...
>>>Big Lynch fan here....Mulholland Drive, mostly.<<<
MD was pretty amazing. I'll never forget seeing it for the first time in the theatres and thinking immediately THE BOY IS BACK! (because he had been kinda in a slump since the Twin Peaks movie - even though I am one of three people in the world who really loved the Twin Peaks movie).
And then of course going back to see MD again. and again. And still not being sure what it was about. lol.
Salem said,
"and the new house has a new addy?
the street number was changed to 10066.
i think. "
I have to address something here.
We should be able to post something if we have some reasonable authenticity.
The "I think" part was cool.
but I accept it as fact because you post here regularly.
If I dont then I can politely question it....Ok?
Cats...
Have you seen "Knife in the Water"?
Polanski film I think from the 60's.
Sexual undertone city, lol.
Who is in it?
Nobody that I would remember.
Well worth a look to see his early film career.
I don't think that he's done...
Magic said,
"Loved Mulholland Drive, too. I must've seen it 10 times"
Thats about how many times I have seen it in length.
Thanks to DVD I get to go back and see bits, lol.
Sometimes a day will go by without me thinking about it. (that might be a stretch, but its a powerful movie).
shorendz
I went to flikr and nothing
If Bryn was arrested at the raid why is he not part of the police report?
ColScott said,
"If Bryn was arrested at the raid why is he not part of the police report? "
He was not arrested
He had an alias
Police mistake
His uncle did the fingerprinting
He was a cast member of Mission Impossible and had a silicon mask that he slipped off after the arrest
He never existed in the first place
Nobody cared, it was Charlie they wanted
meatwad said...
>>>>Sometimes a day will go by without me thinking about it. (that might be a stretch, but its a powerful movie)<<<
One of the amazing things about Lynch's movies, and Mulholland Drive especially, is that for me it can work as two things; movie and just pure abstract art. It just LOOKS so amazing.
What I mean is that I've found if I'm hanging out with friends playing music you can put Mulholland Drive on the dvd player and it sits on the wall like a changing painting. Really shows the painter Lynch started out as.
But then listening is best because then you get to hear Angelo Badalamenti's music.
That probably makes no sense what I just said.
Monk said,
"That probably makes no sense what I just said."
It makes all kinds of sense.
LOL Cat, Pat Boone....only the Cat would listen to Pat Boone. I know of him because my father traveled to America on business and would bring us American music and Pat Boone was my mother's favotite.
That Bob deal is creepy, I'm with Monk on the sleeping on the couch deal.
"Delusions of Grandeur"
Snipe
has anyone ever considered that salem and audio are probably the same person? its not hard to have 50 ids going at once in here. we already know that chasingbunnies and audion are the same person. if you watch closely you can see that they both make the same spelling mistakes, they are the only two who have to tell each other how wonderful and beautiful the other is, they always agree with each other, and when they attack they do it like dogs, in packs. salem will attack without even being provolked. when one is having problems with someone here, the other always shows up to jump in. i may just be a kid but im not blind.
Cat said: >>>Wasn't the baby buried seperately from Sharon? So, wouldn't a more in depth examination be done upon removal? (not to be gross)
The baby was placed in sharon's arms inside her casket. The only person to see them together was her father, just before they closed the casket.
It makes me cry to Cat. And I agree, there should be an autopsy report on the baby...maybe there is. This is gross, but I'm going to say it....I always wanted to see photos of the baby. Sorry folks, but it's true. Cat,I lived in Africa, moved here as a teen with my family. Since moving here I became a citizen of the USA.
Cat is not a peon! If Noguchi (Sp?) wont take your call let me know.
Cat do you know if Rudi Atobelli ever lived in the main house at Cielo?
Yepyep said...
>This isn't about Heaven, it's about the lies and bullshit Salem has told.
I'm not bothered by them and given the fact she's still on this blog after all this time and we're all talking to her, neither does anybody else. Except you, apparently.
so because YOU dont care no one else is allowed to? if your so bothered by all this why are YOU posting about it? why not just skip it like the others that dont want to discuss it are? if peeps want to talk about it let them. your not the blog owner. jmo
Shelby, your a smart kid. You have been posting on the Col's blog since day one, right? But you have been quiet for some time.
On the run Cat.. see you later!
Dr.Dodopariti said...
Shelby, your a smart kid. You have been posting on the Col's blog since day one, right? But you have been quiet for some time.
yes. i started here a long time ago. but between school my homework my job and my friends, i don't get alot of time to post anymore. but when i see crap like this it makes me wonder who the adults are and who the kids are. me and my friends are alot more mature then some of the adults ive seen here.
Thanks Cat, I don't know a lot about the case, but I know more about Sharon and the victims then the Family.
you guys are probably wondering why a kid follows manson. i'm not a fan i think he belongs in prison. i had to do a report on a serial killer for my freshmen term paper and i chose manson. once i started reading i could't stop. now i just read stuff online and blogs like this to keep up with parole hearings and stuff. and i can type alot better and more mature when i feel like it lol
thanks catscradle.
yepyep im sorry if my post sounded shitty. i just get defensive when someone trashes my friends. heaven has always been very nice to me and if it wasn't for her i wouldn't have gotten an A- on my term paper. she pretty much wrote it for me. i actually wrote it but she helped me with all the information. she has always been a good friend to me and has always been there when i needed someone to talk to. she has teenagers so she understands us. it really upset me to see the stuff audio and salem were saying to her. it was rude and mean and so immature. so i said so. but what i meant to say to you was if what is being said doesnt interest you, you can just skip over it. my mom used to tell me that you never poke your nose in other peoples affairs unless you intend to get involved. so thats all i meant. Im sorry if i was rude about it. thanks
Audio Magic said...
Charles Manson was not a serial killer. I'm surprised that a teacher wouldn't know that.
9:21 AM
Just because you ignore the facts, it doesn't change them. I'm sorry to tell you that he is indead considered a serial killer. Look it up. You can argue until you are blue in the face about how he never killed anyone. He is still considered a serial killer.
You know Audio, come to think of it, you do sound a lot like Salem.
Here's a link to notorious Serial Killers, check it out.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/index.html
Audio Magic said...
Charles Manson was not a serial killer. I'm surprised that a teacher wouldn't know that.
im surprised here that a teacher acts so immature.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/crime/caseclosed/charlesmanson.shtml
try that again
http://www.bbc.co.uk/crime
/caseclosed/
charlesmanson.shtml
maybe that will show the whole link.
no spahn died of natural caused i think. i dont remember. but there were enough victims -that manson was found guilty of causing their deaths- for him to be called a serial killer. by defination he was really a spree killer. but no one calls them that.
my term paper isnt a source for a whos right and whos wrong argument about his guilt. manson is considered a serial killer. deal with it.
Audio Magic said...
shelby445 said...
my term paper isnt a source for a whos right and whos wrong argument about his guilt. manson is considered a serial killer. deal with it.
10:01 AM
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Make me!
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isn't there an avatar somewhere you can bitch about?
Audio Magic said...
shelby445 said...
Audio Magic said...
shelby445 said...
my term paper isnt a source for a whos right and whos wrong argument about his guilt. manson is considered a serial killer. deal with it.
10:01 AM
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Make me!
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isn't there an avatar somewhere you can bitch about?
10:22 AM
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Jeeeez, I was just teasing you when I said "make me" because you spoke about how immature I am. I forgot that you were a teenager, and teenagers usually don't like to be teased. Sorry...and this is from me, Jane, Audio Magic...not the fake poser one.
11:07 AM
ok no prob. i have to go do my stupid homework now. i was hoping it would do itself lol bye.
audio i would like to ask you a question. what did heaven ever do to you? i dont post here much but i do read the posts. i never saw heaven call you names or put you down. so why did you say the hurtful things that you did to her? heaven is not ugly and you said she had no class for wearing shorts. i wear shorts, does that mean i have no class? i think heaven looks great. i wish i had her body? whats wrong with a woman looking good? and why did you make fun of her for not finishing law school? she had to stop because she had a baby. why is it a bad thing to want to be there and take care of your baby? i hope that when i have babies i can stay home and take care of them. but you made fun of her for doing it. arent your kids supposed to be the most important thing in your life? i wish i had a mother like heaven someone who would give up everything to take care of me. but my mom is dead. you dont know what its like right now listening to all the girls at school talk about their moms taking them shopping for prom dresses. i dont have a mom to take me and i dont have any sisters. i didnt even have money for a prom dress until heaven sent me 200 dollars so i could buy one. does that sound like something a terrible person would do? shes probably going to be pissed at me for telling you this but i think you need to know what a generous person heaven really is. im not trying to be nosey i just want to know why you'd do that. then i'll go do my homework lol thanks
Salem said...
shelby445 said...
has anyone ever considered that salem and audio are probably the same person? its not hard to have 50 ids going at once in here. we already know that chasingbunnies and audion are the same person. if you watch closely you can see that they both make the same spelling mistakes, they are the only two who have to tell each other how wonderful and beautiful the other is, they always agree with each other, and when they attack they do it like dogs, in packs. salem will attack without even being provolked. when one is having problems with someone here, the other always shows up to jump in. i may just be a kid but im not blind.
6:51 AM
LMAO u are a bit slow arent ya. The Col can ck my isp anytime, I have only ONE name unlike many of you here.
ip addies can be faked. i think the col is smart enough to know that.
shore
late tonight?
say when
Salem said...
ISP 'S CAN NOT BE FAKED, THAT HOW THE COL FOUND TROLLS THE LAST TIME.
1:47 PM
I just asked someone I know and was told that any ip addy can be faked anywhere at anytime. the ones who you say were caught weren't hiding theirs. thats why they were caught. i was also told to tell you that before you scream that something cant be done. check your facts because they most certainly can be. i wont name my source but im sure most of you can guess lol
Salem said...
ISP 'S CAN NOT BE FAKED, THAT HOW THE COL FOUND TROLLS THE LAST TIME.
You are absolutely and 100% dead ass wrong!
As I told Shelby, any IP can be faked and hacked at any time.
If you believe they can't then you are a hackers dream....
Anyone behind a router has no IP at all....
How do I know all this? I build computers every single day. It's my job to know this stuff...
Anyone who was caught as being a troll was because they weren't hiding their IP. Which is easy to do, they make programs for it.
Please do not speak of things you obviously know nothing about. It's very misleading to those that don't realize that without a firewall to protect your IP, all your accounts can be taken over without your knowledge.
Oh, ISP stands for Internet Service Provider. IP stands for Internet Protocol. There is a difference between the two...
Back to your regularly scheduled bickering.
Excuse me....
Anyone behind a router has no TRACEABLE IP.. I forgot the word traceable. Important to add.
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and there you have it. thanks heaven
OMG.....
Will you all PLEASE just keep my name out of this?
This stupid pointless battle has raged on for days.. I'm not going to run to therapy cause someone said something "mean" to me online...
Can't we all just get along and stop beating the shit out of each other over something so trivial?
Please and thank you...
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i agree i think you both owe heaven an apology. is it going to kill you audio to give her one?
sorry heaven but i think its owed to you.
Ok whatever....
I just don't have the time or energy to do battles with anyone. I already left one group because it had too much drama...
I love you SusanSucks and Shelby, I realize you have my best intentions at heart, but it's silly to fight with people over blog comments..
Shelby go do your damned homework before I kick your ass and SusanSucks, go do......... whatever it is you do lol
To everyone else.. I'm sorry about all of this, I sincerely am....
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Heaven
ok im going. i love you heaven. youve done alot for me and i wanted to be there for you. but before you kick my ass ill go do my homework. bye.
Thank you....
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Gotta git me one uh them routers sum day. And a Linda Kasabian Chia Pet.
Just a lill tip for ya... A router will prevent anyone from hacking into your computer, but it won't stop you from being nailed by the feds if you do anything illegal online.... You do still have an IP, it's just that the hackers can't get it to break into your computer?
Consider this a public service announcement...
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shoresendz said,
"For the record, on the former version, there is one sentence, on page 3, dedicated to the baby: “the belly is protruding… after palpitating it… likely in the third trimester. And that, ladies and gentlemen of this amazing blog, is the only note Noguchi made for that precious spark of life."
Would you rather have Maury Povich or Jerry Springer type up the autopsy, lol?
Do you expect a tribute in them thar reports?
What a cheap shot.
Noguchi did his job. Was he supposed to flower his language because it was a celebrity death, lol?
I think in the spirit of getting along, everyone on the forum should pitch in and buy a chia pet as a gift for Linda Kasabian, because she is downright beside herself over all the commotion in here. She's over here shaking and I'm doing my best to calm her down.
Heaven is tough, and can handle all this stupid bickering. Linda is pretty fragile and cannot handle it.
A chia pet for Linda will make everything better.
You all believe me that I know Linda and we talk daily, don't you? DON'T YOU???!!!!
I say on the internet that I talk to Linda daily so that means I really do, right?
Hey Monk, I bought a Chia Head does that count? Poor Linda, send the poor dear my best.
Monk,
Do you really think Linda should have a Chia pet? It might rape her...
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Hey Heaven, I have a question for you, maybe Monk will know as well, my question is in regards to Atobelli. Do either of you know if he ever lived in the main house? Col, if you know please chime in.
Where's 60's Kid? MIA for weeks now.
Shoresends said,\
"Cheap shot? Give me a break, Meatwad. How’s about Dr. (and I use the term loosely) Noguchi do the thorough and professional job that I expect from our medical examiners? How’s about he make some ACCURATE medical notes as to the fetus being removed from the womb? How’s about he note the weight, height, and sex of the fetus? Perhaps a notation as to whether the fetus sustained any injuries? ANYTHING besides “gee, I tapped the belly and I THINK it’s a third trimester pregnancy.”"
The coroner was looking for a cause of death. Unfortunately, the baby dying had nothing to do with Sharon's death.
How would the baby's dimensions and sex have anything to do with a criminal investigation?
You want a toe count, too? lol.
Do you think that there is an Autopsy report on the baby? Maybe all of the stats that are being brought into question are on that report.
Cat, I do hope 60's kid is ok, please send her my best.
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