Tuesday, May 16, 2006

Whatever Happened to Carl Stubbs????


The book 5 TO DIE by Jerry LeBlanc and Ivor Davis is now pretty obscure. A supermarket quickie, it suffers by the fact that historians came after and uncovered better information. It does have VERY good photos however. It benefits from proximity to the crime- they were able to interview many of the important players.

Here's page 238 referring to Patricia Krenwinkel. HE refers to her dad Joseph Krenwinkel.

His next contact with her was across a narrow wooden table in Lancaster, California, jail where she was being held on suspicion of murder.

The details of the case were shrouded in mystery and the local Sheriff's department is saying nothing, which in itself is some indication that this is almost certainly connected with the Tate and La Bianca investigation. All they will say is that she was detained in Lancaster and was part of an investigation into the death of an old man who had befriended some hippies.

There is one little known brutal murder in that area which to all outward appearances remains unsolved. The details of the killing are similar to some facts that have emerged about the Hinman, Tate and La Bianca killings.

Carl Stubbs in his sixties was a retired spiritualist and author-a very religious man, he loved nature and people and lived quietly at Olancha just south of Lone Pine in Inyo County near the turnoff for Death Valley.

His neighbors knew they were always welcome to visit him at home. "In fact," said one, "he never closed his door. He befriended everyone and would offer hospitality to all comers."

The woman who runs the local filling station was accustomed to bringing Carl his mail every day and she looked forward to her daily visits and short chats with him.

One morning arriving as usual she was surprised to find his front door closed.

"I was surprised too," she said, "because there was a blue station wagon with Michigan plates." She knocked on the door and the old man opened it just a little.

"He said he couldn't invite me in because he had relatives visiting from Chicago," she recalled, "But that seemed funny to me because that wasn't Carl's way and I knew he didn't have any relatives."

She also remembers that she looked into the room and saw two girls and two men, "hippie types," standing there. "And the girls kept looking over, sort of behind the door, as if there was somebody else standing there."

Carl's friend left and went back to her gas station. Business was brisk that morning but at the back of her mind was a nagging worry, something had not seemed right up there and she thought Carl was trying to tell her something. About an hour later she and her husband went back up to the cottage and found the old man lying badly beaten in a pool of blood, half way out of the house onto the porch.

They took him to Lone Pine hospital where he managed to speak to police before he died. But the details have never been released by the Sheriff's Department and nothing has appeared about the murder in the papers.

Lancaster Sheriffs said little about the alleged crime on which they are holding Patricia Krenwinkel to her father, but they released her to his custody and she drove back with him to Inglewood.

"Well," he turned angrily to his daughter. "What the hell is all this about?"

But the girl was silent and remained so for most of the journey home.

"Her reaction was completely unemotional," recalls Krenwinkel. "I don't think we spoke 20 words by the time we hit the San Diego freeway."

Back in Inglewood, Patricia seemed to pick up the threads of her old life again, staying at home or visiting old friends. Then she asked to be allowed to go home to visit her mother.

"I bought her a plane ticket to Alabama," Krenwinkel said, "and she left.

Two days later his ex-wfie called to say the police had arrested their daughter

So I have tried for years unsuccessfully. Who is Carl Stubbs and what does he have to do with TLB?
Anyone know anything?

11 comments:

Heaven said...

He died November 15, 1968. Listed as Karl Stubbs. But what's interesting from my perspective is that he was born here in Maine...

His age at the time of his death was listed as 82....

I'm sorry to say that is all I know about him. But I can look around and see what I can find...

Very interesting thought provoking topic though... That's why I love your blog, you make people think!

=)

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4Sharon said...

How SAD...am I reading this right, do they think Patricia killed her dad? Such a sad story...hope the killer is caught.

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spookycatz said...

This is interesting. I'd not heard about Carl Stubbs. Something for me to follow up on.

Spooky