Friday, May 12, 2006

Required Reading for the Official TLB Murders Blog




We are getting inundated with new readers recently and are gonna start a big push for new readers soon. You'll tell two friends and so on and so on. So it is best to finally get this out of the way.

If you are going to understand most of the things we talk about here, you should have read the following books at least twice.

Now, the following books are actually full of a lot of shit. But they are the CORE reading for anyone interested in TLB. If you don't understand everything in these books, you cannot follow a lot of the questions that will come up.

The first two of these books are available online if you look sometimes for $2.00. That is what thet are worth. Any used bookstore should have them. Or www.ebay.com . Or www.bookfinder.com.

HELTER SKELTER by Vincent Bugliosi is a very good nonfiction novel about the case, Sold millions of copies. It is a novel in the same way that IN COLD BLOOD is a novel. The book is SOLELY Bug's point of view. Any facts that don't fit, he ignores or even twists and bends. People who worked with him are run over. It is all to the glory of the BUG. But it is a compulsive read and will make you familiar with a lot of the facts of the case too.

THE FAMILY by Ed Sanders is a messy collection of "facts" hastily assembled. There is the 1972 version, the 1989 update and the 2002 tome. The first two are fine, and really cheap. The 2002 one costs more but that is the one I use. Many factual things here but narrative style is akin to a three year old. Very hard to follow. Also, morons like Larry Melton were used as a source, so a lot of bullshit here, like Family splatter films and stuff.

MY LIFE WITH CHARLES MANSON by Paul Watkins. A compelling read by a ghost writer of the day to to day on the ranch from Little Paul's perspective. Hard to find book. Paul has a untrustworthy point of view. He worshipped Charlie, betrayed the Family, then tried to take it over again. But the books FEEL real.

It is hereafter assumed that all readers have read these books. Twice. Because without reading them how can you come with the Col and question things?

58 comments:

Yepyep said...
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Synesthesiac said...

Same here, although it's been about 10 years since I read the bugs book (for the 3 time). I've always wanted to read Pauls book, just never got my hands on a copy...yet

Dok said...

2 out of 3 for me too, Watkin's book is hard to find, for the right price. Anyone want to share or sale it to me?

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CreequeAlley said...

I've never read Paul's book. I('ve seen it on line before, but refuse to pay the price. $60-$80 is what I've seen them sell for.

Would there be any possible way it could be republished, or maybe they figure there just isn't enough demand? I would pay the six or 7 dollars for a reissued paperback.

Is anyone aware that Bugliosi wrote another crime book? It's called "And The Sea Will Tell". It has nothing to do with the Manson case at all. It's about a couple who were murdered on a small Pacific atoll, for their sailboat, food and belongings. Very good read.

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CreequeAlley said...

The Curse of Palmyra. Some people who had visited the atoll said they felt uneasy there. Weird vibes, danger, or something.

Salem said...

He had one bad marriage, then remarried and had two girls (I think).

hey AM:)
Didnt he marry a girl named Martha?

Heaven said...

I got my copy of My Life With Charles Manson on Ebay, I paid only $4.00 for it...

The reason I got it so cheap is because the seller misspelled Watkins.. He spelled it Walkins lol

So, check other spellings. Somethings you can find an awesome deal...

=)

ColScott said...

let me see if we can find some way to get people a copy

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Dok said...

ColScott said...
let me see if we can find some way to get people a copy

That would be wonderful!

Heaven said...

Yepyep,

Could you please tell me what the name of Satori's book is? I wasn't around for that discussion...

=)

Heaven said...

The log-in issues on Turners forum might not be you. He has a thread over there about some users having trouble logging in...

Just thought I'd tell ya

=)

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Satori said...

Yepyep:

Thanks for buying the book and I hope you enjoy it.

***

Now onto the subject of this thread: I have read all three books four or five times each, but no longer have a copy of "My Life With Charles Manson."

I'm like the other folks on here in that I would love to have a copy, but don't care to shell out $50.00 or higher for a copy . . . if anyone has one they want to sell -- no matter what shape it is in -- let me know.

P.S. Sorry to have been so silent as of late, but I have had so much on my plate lately that it has been very hard for me to post here as much as I would like to. I hope to be able to get by at least once a week to catch up on the latest and post if I have something to add or a question to ask.

I hope everyone has been doing well. And welcome back, Col!

Heaven said...

Thank you Catscradle!

Yepyep, others over on the forum are having the same problems.. Some people can't log in while others have no problem...

Mark posted that if anyone's having trouble loggin in, try going here
www.forumer.com/charliemanson

I hope this helps

=)

agnostic monk said...

I LOVE the green Exorcist Charlie face on the cover of Sanders book. That is classic.

I haven't read all of Pauls book (some of it was available online somewhere I think I read it there).

One thing that is interesting about Paul (or Keith Partrdige as I like to call him) that you don't hear a lot of people talking about is that Paul, more than any other witness, was Bugliosi's trump card for the Helter Skelter theory. I think Kasabian uttered the words "helter skelter" once in her entire testimony. Paul sat up there and made all the connections between Charlie and HS.

So if you don't believe the Helter Skelter theory, was Paul just a big fat liar? I mean a short, thin liar?

Salem said...

cant find it ( P.W) anywhere for less than 60$ .
Oh well.

Salem said...

BB murdered Gary Hinman over a drug deal gone wrong. he tried blaming it on the Black Panthers... drawing a paw print on the wall in the victim's blood. With his bare hands, leaving fingerprints. Duh!!!!!!!!.) BB was caught. So, Tex Watson, who was one of BB's best friends, decided to make a series of copycat murders in order to make Bobby appear innocent. Tex carried out the Tate-LaBianca murders. Not only was he there at the murders, he killed people himself. Nother* bad dope deal.

When they were all caught, police suspected a master mind behind the killings. Each of the murderers were promised a reduced sentence if they helped to bring in or give clues as to this mastermind's identity. They all pointed to the man who brought them together, and tried his best to hold their so called familytogether.CM.

That is what happened. Judge for yourself, and think about it long and hard, with no prejudice in your mind. Did a CM attempt to take over the world by starting a race war, where in the opposing race would win, and the blacks would then ask the white Manson to rule over them? Or did a friend commit a series of copycat murders in an attempt to free CUPID, and clear up a horribly flawed killing? Which sounds more REAL to you?

Ask yourself another question, and see if you don't feel nauseous when you come to the conclusion: Which of the two, Charles Manson, or Tex Watson, was more interesting? Who do you believe BUGGIE could have stood to make more money from? Do you really think dozens of movies and best selling books could have ever been made over a coverup for a badly thought out murder? Which person's life, Manson or Watson, when brought to the media, would make more of a profit? Keep in mind that Buguliosi is now a millionaire!!!!!!!!...

skip skip skip

Dok said...

I have often thought how stange it is that millions of people fear Charles Manson more than Charles "Tex" Watson.

agnostic monk said...

most people do not even know who charles "tex" watson is.

funny how things play out, no?

ColScott said...

salem
Sorry
can't let that stand
Bobby's best friend was Charlie.
After that his best friend was pussy.
He thought Tex was too stoned out to associate with.
He wasn't ANY sort of friend with Tex

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highlandave said...

How many pages in Paul's book investigate the White Album & it's "hidden meanings" (Blackbird/arise, Revolution 9/Revelation 9: locusts, Beatles, bottomless pits etc)?
What placed Manson in the Beatles fan club (rightly or wrongly) came to Bugliosi via Watkins & Gregg Jakobsen (& some words scrawled in blood on walls & a fridge).
Two very telling quotes from Jess Bravin's "Squeaky" (1997 soft cover edition)- page 100: "Considering who was chosen for the assignment, Ouisch concluded that Charlie 'sent out the expendables' (Susan/Pat/Linda). It all happened so fast. 'When it got evil,' said Ouisch, 'it got evil like, boom!'"
Page 106: (Ruth Ann again) 'I don't believe Charlie considered the conspiracy angle' (in spite of him not being present at Cielo & only having tethered & bullshitted the LaBiancas).
Anyway, Bravin paints a clearer picture than Sanders & is far superior to the likes of Tommy Udo (what a dud that was) & Bob Slosser/Susan Atkins.
Nelson should be erased from histoty.

Salem said...

Anyway, Bravin paints a clearer picture than Sanders & is far superior to the likes of Tommy Udo (what a dud that was) & Bob Slosser/Susan Atkins.
Nelson should be erased from histoty.

I agree with ya Dave.

Salem said...

sorry Col, i said
Tex Watson, who was one of BB's best friends, not his best friend.

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Pristash said...

Folks, instead of shelling out the $$, try your friendly neighborhood interlibrary loan...perhaps you can even make requests online from home. That is how I've come up with many of these out of print books I've read.

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ColScott said...

salem
yes and I said you were 100% wrong
Tex and Bobby were not any kind of friends
at all

Heaven said...

Salem said...
sorry Col, i said
Tex Watson, who was one of BB's best friends, not his best friend.

That doesn't even make sense.
You said he was his best friend, but not his best friend? lol

Am I just reading it wrong?

=)

Dok said...

agnostic monk said...
most people do not even know who charles "tex" watson is.

funny how things play out, no?

10:00 PM

I guess we can attribute it to "Bugamania". In my mind, Tex is a madman and the one to really fear. What that man was/maybe still is, capable of is down right scary.

Dok said...

Heaven, Thanks for the email to Wendy!

Salem said...

to Heaven
Tex Watson, who was one of BB's best friends, not his best friend.

the word is ONE......
one of BB's best friends.
geez, here we go again.

Salem said...

lol

Salem said...

ColScott said...
salem
yes and I said you were 100% wrong
Tex and Bobby were not any kind of friends
at all

8:16 AM

ok
I thought everyone at the ranch were friends.
sorry my mistake.

Dok said...

Salem said...
sorry Col, i said
Tex Watson, who was one of BB's best friends, not his best friend

No offense Salem, but you do this all the time. You make matter of fact statement, then someone knowledgeable will call you on it. You then recant your statement. Even to the point of saying that you never said it in the first place. All I am asking, is that you either stand by your statements or stand corrected.

Dok said...

Opps, Salem, I must have been typing my comment as you posted, sorry about that. Good for you for standing corrected. Again sorry, I must have been typing slow.

Heaven said...

Salem said...
to Heaven
Tex Watson, who was one of BB's best friends, not his best friend.

the word is ONE......
one of BB's best friends.
geez, here we go again.


Don't panic, I just wasn't reading it right.. No biggie..

=)

Heaven said...

Dr.Dodopariti said...
Heaven, Thanks for the email to Wendy!


You are most welcome my friend. Wendy is a sweetie!

=)

agnostic monk said...

yepyep Jess Bravin's book is really good. I like the way he writes, and he brings a level-headedness to the proceedings that is absent in so much of the other sensationalized "Family" books. He spends very little time on the murders themselves, instead he explores everything from Squeaky's perspective.

He brings Lynn to life in a way no other writer has been able to. Though disturbed and sad, she was a very creative girl with a rich imagination and a stubborn childlike innocence that seems to border on lunacy. The way she speaks and writes is very poetic, she really had/has a way with words.

Bravin's book also manages to confirm what a freaky chick Sandra Good was (and still is???)

Let us know your thoughts after you read it.

:)

Salem said...

Don't panic, I just wasn't reading it right.. No biggie..

=)

10:57 AM
no problem Heaven.
-)

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spookycatz said...

I've read HS so many times I lost count years ago. The other 2, I've not read. Yet. I have read some other books not listed. More than twice. If a book is good, or the subject matter of particular interest to me, I always read it more than twice.

Going book shopping on E-Bay now....Lol...

Spooky

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