Thursday, May 18, 2006

Daddy's Little Girl


It's one year ago TODAY that Col. Paul J Tate died.

I spoke with my Texas sources and confirmed that Mr. Tate has still not had a proper burial.

It is believed that the remains are still somewhere in the home of his daughter Debra Tate.

Perhaps she takes him out at night and gloats.... "I couldn't be a movie star daddy, but I'd even sue you to control Sharon's likeness. Anything to make you like me the best."

I don't know what she is doing with his remains and neither does the rest of his family.

Debra, you've had him to yourself for a year. Can't you just let the man rest in piece?

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highlandave said...

Debra Tate's weird behaviour is consistent with the whole freak show/circus tragedy that was born from death in August 1969 & was so profitably milked by the likes of her buddy Stephen Kay. Did she ever disassociate herself from the imprisoned Elvis wannabe & self-appointed Rockabilly hall-of-famer, Don Wilson?

Joe said...

I'm confused -- why are you persecuting this family?

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highlandave said...

It was the wish of the deceased to be buried in Holy Cross Catholic cemetary in Culver City along with his wife & his daughter & her unborn child. (One trusts Col. Scott's prior post re this).
I think the average reasonable adult would abide by their late parent's requests in matters such as this.

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Heaven said...

I have to admit, I'm a bit curious myself as to why Debra has done some of the things she's done...

What could possibly have happened to cause her parents to completely disown her....

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ColScott said...

Joe

How dare you.
I persecute NO ONE.
Debra Tate is ONE PERSON who held herself out to the world as the family rep for Sharon.
Did she ever mention that the family disowned her? No.

Debra Tate is persecuting her family by refusing to honor her father's wishes - out of spite.

Magick_Films said...

Col., I don't know where you find the time.

Joe said...

Col. Scott: "Joe

How dare you.
I persecute NO ONE.
Debra Tate is ONE PERSON who held herself out to the world as the family rep for Sharon.
Did she ever mention that the family disowned her? No.

Debra Tate is persecuting her family by refusing to honor her father's wishes - out of spite."


Why is it anyone's business what goes on inside the Tate family? You'll never know what may have occurred between Debra and her father to make her do this.

ColScott said...

My point (and everyone here seems to agree) is that there is NOTHING justifiable that could have gone on to make her do this. Even if she hated him to her core- he's dead, get over it.

Hey Joe, do you kick small dogs and crippled people? I mean, they might deserve it too and cannot fight back.

Joe said...

Col. Scott: "My point (and everyone here seems to agree) is that there is NOTHING justifiable that could have gone on to make her do this. Even if she hated him to her core- he's dead, get over it.

WOW, THE ARROGANCE OF THAT STATEMENT IS ASTOUNDING. YOU MAKE YOURSELF JUDGE AND JURY OF THE PRIVATE MATTERS OF THAT FAMILY?!

Hey Joe, do you kick small dogs and crippled people? I mean, they might deserve it too and cannot fight back.

DOUBLE WOW -- YOU'RE PUBLISHING THE PRIVATE TURMOIL OF A WOMAN YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ALL OVER THE INTERNET AND YOU ASK ME IF I KICK DOGS AND CRIPPLES? GET SOME PERSPECTIVE, MAN.

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ColScott said...

petty vindictiveness does not equate to private turmoil
feel free to convince us otherwise

Joe said...

Col. Scott: "petty vindictiveness does not equate to private turmoil
feel free to convince us otherwise."

Like I said, you have no idea how "petty" her "vindictiveness" is -- or isn't -- not having been behind the closed doors of that family's home.

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Joe said...

Cat: "Joe-But unless you have been behind the same closed doors, how do you know what the Col says isn't true.."

That's the point: he hasn't said ANYTHING. Because he DOESN'T KNOW. Hence, my point that he has no right to judge her actions.

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meatwad said...

Hey Joe, do you kick small dogs and crippled people? I mean, they might deserve it too and cannot fight back.

DOUBLE WOW -- YOU'RE PUBLISHING THE PRIVATE TURMOIL OF A WOMAN YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ALL OVER THE INTERNET AND YOU ASK ME IF I KICK DOGS AND CRIPPLES? GET SOME PERSPECTIVE, MAN.


This is so absurd. Does this blog have any credibility left? I mean the credibility that one would expect from any average blog?

Asking dissenters if they kick dogs and cripples? Please.

I can understand goading Debra Tate with your outlandishness because you want response but the only sense I can make of this exchange is that the "Col" would rather demean others that don't follow the party line.

That doesn't give me any confidence in his judgement or credibility.

Hence, this blog's.

meatwad said...

Someone in here was curious about the Hoffa case.

Backhoes are digging in Milford, Michigan.

Stay tuned.

4Sharon said...

LOL OH DEAR...Debra's main board mod must be biting her nails to the cuticle by now, reading these comments about Debra - after all, Sharon and Debra are SAINTS to her!!!
I LOVED Highlandave's first comment on this blog - I too wonder why her pictures are up in Don Wilson's group and are they still best buds????
Why does she cling to Roman? Wonder about this too.
No, Debra was not best friends with Sharon, as her board mod would have us think - please! A 26 year old, sharing romantic secrets with a 16 year old Debra???? LOL
What about those ashes Debra? You can't be a Saint AND spiteful...one or the other!
Maybe she is waiting for her Elvis wannabe to get out of prison to advise her....but I would not trust him - he'd have you sell the ashes - anything to make money and get a name out there....LOL

4Sharon said...

Heaven...you are so right on...I always love your posts. I agree - anyone has a right to ask/ponder...

4Sharon said...

I too want to know what Debra did, to get her dad to disown her. Must be pretty terrible!
I agreed with the comment that her parents remained "normal" after Sharon's death, in that they didn't go out and make porn movies together or other odd things...they dealt with it, doing the best they could...

Heaven said...

Hiya 4Sharon

And to anyone on the official board watchin.. HI lol

I have no personal beef with Debra, I don't know her so my curosity isn't personal..

I see her as the classic middle child.. Not as beautiful as her older sister and not as cute as her little sister...


I find it strange that everyone in her family died (except Sharon) being pissed off at her.... And yes, I was told that even Doris was upset with her....

I would think that would be hard to live with.

=)

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Salem said...

hey AM
But, just plain old common sense tells me that if this kind of tragedy happened to any loved one -- especially a child or sibling, there would never be normalcy in your life again. You can bet on that. *

I know a family it happened to..the family was killed except one child that was at school that day, she's 36 now, and her life has been nothing but a living hell.
Maybe Debra is holding on to all she has left for as long as it takes, I am sure she will eventually place her dad's remains where he wished.

4Sharon said...

By "normal"..I was referring to, a pained life of grief, yet, they didn't resort to acting out, as Debra did, to get reaction/attention.

4Sharon said...

Debra's head mod is going to cuss all of you out, I hope you know that. LOL How DARE anyone speak against the very person she IDOLIZES. LOL

4Sharon said...

Did she ever disassociate herself from the imprisoned Elvis wannabe & self-appointed Rockabilly hall-of-famer, Don Wilson?
Only her board moderator would know! LOL And they ain't tellin!!!!

Heaven said...

They don't discuss this blog over there. I once asked about Col Tate's remains and the post got deleted....

=)

4Sharon said...

LOL Heaven, that's what I have heard too - unless you sugar coat and praise Debra and Sharon to death, YOU get deleted or your threads/posts. The head mod only tolerates fake sugar coated gushing and no one is allowed to discuss anything at all other than gushing over them. Sad - no one can find out facts and Sharon/Debra are then made out to be Saints and they are/were FAR from it - just humans like the rest of us - with faults. The best thing that could happen to that board would be for that head mod to be kicked off - she is a head case, if you ask me.

4Sharon said...

What a cop out. She was not 7 when it happened...

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Heaven said...

Col Scott, I sent you a pretty interesting email...

=)

4Sharon said...

Audio Magic
Good gosh, your real name HAS to be Paige.

4Sharon said...

Heaven, how in the WORLD are you able to question a few things and remain on the board??? If anyone else has even the slightest question, they are banned!!!
Unless everyone else GUSHES over Debra and Sharon, they are banned for life. What a twisted head mod!

4Sharon said...

and I do mean GUSH - to the point one gets a cavity, it is so sickenly sweet and phoney on that board.

4Sharon said...

Let me ad Audio Magic - I am allowed to have opinions or state what I view concerning someone's "off" actions - that doesn't mean I hate the person...again, I am certain you are Paige.

Salem said...

Heaven said...
They don't discuss this blog over there. I once asked about Col Tate's remains and the post got deleted....

so you are over there and Mark Turner's site and KTS?
busy bee

Salem said...

4Sharon said...
Audio Magic
Good gosh, your real name HAS to be Paige.

lol
I swear to ya Audio is not Paige.
where is Paige and does Debra Tate ever go to Sharons site at all?
I went there years ago and I never saw a post from debra..

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Heaven said...

Paige runs the Official Sharon Tate Discussion board. Debra doesn't post there because I'm told she lives in a very remote area and doesn't have internet service. So Paige runs it for her.

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4Sharon said...
Let me ad Audio Magic - I am allowed to have opinions or state what I view concerning someone's "off" actions - that doesn't mean I hate the person...again, I am certain you are Paige.

9:33 AM


You are as entitled to your opinions, thoughts and views just like anyone else. Someone doesn't like them, they don't have to read them.. But I can assure you, Audio is not Paige..

Heaven said...

For the record, I don't visit the Official Discussion Board very often. They're more into Sharon, I'm more into the case... My interest differs from theirs..

To each their own....

Heaven said...

Heaven said...
Salem said...
Heaven said...
They don't discuss this blog over there. I once asked about Col Tate's remains and the post got deleted....

so you are over there and Mark Turner's site and KTS?
busy bee


Where I post is my own business. Thanks

4Sharon said...

Totally agree Heaven...it is a free world and you are entitled to post where you like!!

Salem said...

I didnt say you could not post where you chose..Heaven.

Heaven said...

Salem said...
I didnt say you could not post where you chose..Heaven.


I didn't mean it to be rude..

I actually post wherever the discussion is interesting.. The Sharon Tate board is awesome if all you want to discuss is Sharon..

=)

Salem said...

I didn't mean it to be rude..

I actually post wherever the discussion is interesting.. The Sharon Tate board is awesome if all you want to discuss is Sharon..

=)
oh You werent rude at all sweetheart.
no problem.
-)

4Sharon said...

Heaven, may I make ONE correction to your comment of "The Sharon Tate board is awesome if all you want to do is discuss Sharon" statement?
I agree that they have alot of information on Sharon - yet, I don't find a board awesome, when you are not allowed to discuss the REAL life of Sharon - her faults as well as her shining moments. On that board, you have to be fake about Sharon - you are not allowed to discuss ANY of her faults, whatsoever. Therefore, it leaves the reader with the impression that Sharon was a Saint. She was NOT. She had faults and failings, but on that board, no one is allowed to say ANYTHING about her, other than SUGARY comments or you are banned.
This left alot of members with a bad taste in their mouth, that Sharon could not be discussed in a realistic way, other than be glorified. Sharon would not want that.

4Sharon said...

For an example...one poster had a picture of Sharon smoking and the head twisted Mod, was FURIOUS/LIVID and wanted him banned. Well, Sharon smoked! See what I mean?

Heaven said...

Ok, the smoking picture thing I didn't know....

I like to discuss the case, so the forum isn't really to my liking..
I only had one post removed and that's when I asked about Col Tate. I didn't realize it was off limits...


=)

4Sharon said...

Yeah, anything is off limits there concerning Sharon or Debra, unless it is GLORIFYING them. All else is prohibited, which makes for a very phoney board, IMO.

4Sharon said...

I should have said "concerning the Tate family"...unless it is to GLORIFY them...anything other than that, like discussing thier REAL lives, is off limits. Phoney board.

4Sharon said...

You know what Audio...you have a REAL problem. First of all, let me assure you, I in NO way feel Sharon deserved what happened to her and I do not hate Debra. PERIOD. Got that? Loud and clear to you now???
This is a debate blog, where we can share thoughts and feelings. See, you are confusing us with the Official board - on that one you are not allowed to have ANY opinion, thought OR idea, unless it totally lines up with the HEAD mod's opinion. Okay, got that now? Is THAT clear to you now?
So, get off YOUR high horse and stop telling everyone how to think and feel, because you have crossed the line.
Get over it.

4Sharon said...

I would also suggest that you REVIEW the blog thread here....the topic of discussion is Debra...so if you have a gripe, go to the Col. about it and otherwise stay out of everyone's opinion.

4Sharon said...

Well, you are right on one thing:
"SILLY ME". Yes, you ARE silly.

4Sharon said...

P.S. - no you are NOT on topic..that is the NEXT thread.

Salem said...

4Sharon
So, get off YOUR high horse and stop telling everyone how to think and feel, because you have crossed the line.
Get over it.

9:05 AM

MY MY
WHO MADE YOU GOD?
DEBRA TATE LOST HER SISTER TO THE EVILS OF HELL, AND THEN HER OTHER SISTER TO CANCER , HER MOM TO CANCER, THEN HER FATHER PASSED.
WTF.. SHE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MURDERS . OR CASE THAT I SEE UNLESS IT'S BY BEING A SISTER OF THE VICTIM.
AND WE ALL KNOW SHARON WAS NO ANGEL.( DUH)

Salem said...

Okay, got that now? Is THAT clear to you now?
4sharons says


You sound like freeking drill sargent.
ggeeeeeeeeeesh

4Sharon said...

Look at the pot calling the kettle BLACK! Audio is the one who played God, totally twisting what I said and now YOU are jumping in to play God, right along with him. Both of you twisted what I said.
If I sounded like a drill sergeant, too bad. Audio can't seem to get what anyone means, because he reads more into it.
So, both of you get over it. If you don't like the blog - get off, don't read it, but if you stay on, at least stop putting words in people's mouths, namely mine, that we (I) are NOT saying, thank you very much!
Just because we make a Debra comment, does not mean we think Sharon deserved to be butchered, as you both make it sound. Certainly, you both are from Official board.

Salem said...

4sharon says
So, both of you get over it. If you don't like the blog - get off, don't read it...
blah bla bla

You first!

Salem said...

one statement rings true.said by Debra.
In my opinion, it's the disciples that decided exactly how brutal the acts were going to be. They are the ones that inflicted that brutality. And therefore, they are, in my mind, believe it or not, more dangerous than Charlie himself.
cnn.com

Tsamshara said...

I have this to say, I always felt Debra had the "Marcia, Marcia, Marcia" syndrome. It always seemed to me Debra used Sharon's name to get her foot in the door. Now she's the sole inheritor of an estate that she is ill-equipped to handle. That she won't allow frank discussions of Sharon's life means she only wants the glossy version.

As for the estate, I cannot imagine what it might be like for Roman to see Sharon's image on a teddy bear or a tee-shirt or a coffee mug. Next it'll be a pen, or even a little flag that you can wave on Sharon's birthday.

One question to ColScott, is Debra still in league with Robin Olson and Chris Simmons?

4Sharon said...

Thankfully, we are back on track...back to being allowed to have our own opinion again!
I agree, everyone wants to gloss over Sharon's life. Did she deserve the death she had? NO, but everyone glorified her life and she was not the innocent little darling that Debra's board prefers to make her out to be - yes, keep the good memories of her and no need to bash her NOW, but all I meant, was tell it like it was. She was spoiled and affected, loved the limelight, very self confident and no Polly Anna - she knew she was hot and used it for all it was worth. She was no little angel, for sure. But again, to squelch all the screamers - it didn't mean she deserved to be butchered by those nut cases. All that means is why can't Debra and that board be REAL and stop glorifying Sharon.
Okay, on to Robin Olson...she is quiet the little know it all and arrogant, from what I heard. I have heard board members say she thought she was too good for the fans and bragged constantly about her lifestyle...sounds like a real witch with a capital B. I heard she used to jump into eveyone's comments on the Official board, and correct them, like the know it all she appears to be.
Chris Simmons? Does he really exist? Very stealth. Obviously gay, is all I heard.

4Sharon said...

Oh and yeah, what it it with them selling all the tshirts and mugs and bumpers stickers with Sharon on it???? Sharon is gone!!! Does Debra need money THAT bad?

4Sharon said...

P.S. - sorry for the couple spelling errors and yes, the thread is titled "Daddy's Little Girl"..but the subject was the ashes and where is Col Tate - so we are all off track. LOL OH WELL.
Another question...HOW is Debra, Paige and Don Wilson all tied together? I heard they were all CLOSE friends - close close friends, to be exact. Debra has her pics plastered on his corny Rock A Billy group!

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4Sharon said...

No, I didn't say is obviously gay...the comment someone made to ME was "he is obviously gay"..so I don't know why they said that. Didn't ask, didn't care if the person was or was not....didn't even think about it, to ask.

4Sharon said...

For all I know, maybe Chris stated it to them...who knows.

4Sharon said...

Why does everyone want a star for Sharon? She only made what 5 movies and not great ones at that!! It is not like she was Marilyn Monroe or someone like that! I don't feel she would have been a star either.

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4Sharon said...

It was mentioned because someone asked if Debra was in cahoots with him/Olson...and I just added the only comments I had heard on the topic...nothing more.
But, I did have to laugh, hindsight, on your comment "what makes someone obviously gay"...just in fun, one thing came to me. I would say if a male has a male partner..that could make them obviously gay...if a female has a female partner, that could make them obviously gay.
Oh, I also heard that Robin had the paper (rights) to the Official board...and Debra was somehow playing things very very carefully, to get the paper/rights to that board...so she could get Robin OFF the board....evidently, her head mod AND this fellow Don Wilson, were supposedly in cahoots on that too. Not sure, don't quote me, just what I was told.

Joe said...

Teamshara said: "As for the estate, I cannot imagine what it might be like for Roman to see Sharon's image on a teddy bear or a tee-shirt or a coffee mug. Next it'll be a pen, or even a little flag that you can wave on Sharon's birthday."

Oh, I think he'll be just fine.

4Sharon said...

I think Roman will think of us, as the rest of the French do with: "those crazy Americans".
How corny is it to make all that stuff, 30 years after her death...can you imagine if they made the little pens and flags the year after? Good grief. LOL Debra must be desperate.

4Sharon said...

BTW, I hear Debra is in financial problems....sure hope she is not holding the ashes to get a good price on them, on Ebay.

Salem said...

4Sharon said...
BTW, I hear Debra is in financial problems....sure hope she is not holding the ashes to get a good price on them, on Ebay.

11:38 AM

what kind of heartless person are you?
enuff is enuff...

4Sharon said...

Not heartless - everyone else has commented on how heartless she is to not give her father the proper burial...where are the ashes, scattered on her property?...comments like that... Just wondering. Don't act all high and mighty about it - her father disowned her, less you forget that! She can't think THAT highly of him.

Salem said...

4Sharon said...
Not heartless - everyone else has commented on how heartless she is to not give her father the proper burial...where are the ashes, scattered on her property?...comments like that... Just wondering. Don't act all high and mighty about it - her father disowned her, less you forget that! She can't think THAT highly of him.

some people grieve longer than others.
My sister gave birth to a still born in 1990, she still keeps the baby's ashes with her by her bedside.
I do think Debra should respect her fathers wishes as where he wanted to be placed, and I am sure she will do the right thing, but in her own time.
It's not like her father who has already passed to a spirtual being cares, and I am sure he has no ill feelings towards Debra. In Heaven there is no hate.

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Synesthesiac said...

60skid ??

Hey there, welcome back.

>whew< I've been worried about ya. We had just become acquainted and 'poof'.

Good to see ya postin again.

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Salem said...

(((((((( 60's )))))))
hey:)
Glad ya back!
me

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Heaven said...

Welcome back 60skid!

=)

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4Sharon said...

Maybe all of the Tate family should have been cremated, so Debra could once again have complete rights/control over EVERYTHING..then she could have EVERYONE'S ashes and EVERYTHING...Marcia Marcia Marcia!

Salem said...

not to get way off track.but the pic of Lynn and Sandy that was bought off ebay is back up on ebay again. so says charliemanson.com the last time I ck ed.

Jane Doe said...

There is a new website up in support of Susan Atkins:

http://www.freesusanatkins.com/

It looks good, but could use a lot more information.

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Deb said...

Can you imagine, if he sat through the whole trial how awful that would be? I'm surprised he didn't do something violent, especially after he was the one that had to clean up at Cielo Drive.

Dok said...

Hey 60's, So glad to see you back!! I missed you, and I do hope you are feeling better.

Hugs,
Doc

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Salem said...

AM says.. I also wonder if Bugliosi donated any money he made from that book to help the victims families.

I doubt it huh, knowing the money , power hungry , greedy person he was/ is.

Salem said...

awwwwwww
Poor lil puddy cat!!!!!
I would like to have dat cat here on my farm:)

Salem said...

I agree!!!!!!!
poor lil kitty cat..
what'S next for Lewis..house arrest with a shock collar on :(
FREE LEWIS!!!

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meatwad said...

On a real farm that cat would have been taken care of with a fast hoe to the neck.

Sorry, but thats the reality.

Salem said...

meatwad said...
On a real farm that cat would have been taken care of with a fast hoe to the neck.

Sorry, but thats the reality.

4:32 PM

I have a Real farm. Lewis would be welcome.
Great attack cat:)

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Salem said...

Lewis would make an excellent farm cat. He'd get rid of all those nasty little varmints that ruin your property and your crops like mice, racoons, brown recluse spiders, and Jehovah's Witnesses...

AMEN SISTAH!!!!!!
:)

Dok said...

Col, help. This thread is dead.

Deb said...

I second the Doctor! :)

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Joe said...

Here's a new thread for ya...
Why we love Linda.

Kasabian testimony at trial regarding her "vacation" in Miami after the murders:

"[My father] got me a small place in Miami Beach, and it was sort of like a vacation, just to unwind, and I tried to forget about all these things. I didn’t remember it anymore...I kept reading horrible things in the papers, at one point I thought about getting in touch with people related, you know – relatives to these people that were killed, or something."

Later, in his summary of evidence, Bugliosi explains that Linda decided not to tell the relatives because, well:

"there were many reasons why she didn’t contact the police and report these murders, among them that she was pregnant with Angel, her little boy. She did not want to go through with the ordeal at that time – it certainly would have been an ordeal. Also she thought she might lose Tanya…"

I imagine she would've layed on that beach forever if it hadn't been for that damned warrant!

Also, if she truly believed Helter Skelter was coming down, and the Family would continue to slaughter, wouldn't it have been nice if she made an anonymous call to the cops to prevent other mothers from having to go through the "ordeal" that wasn't spared the mothers of Tate, Folger, Rosemary, Gary, etc., etc,?

I guess it was easier just to soak up the sun and "forget" all that "horrible" stuff.

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Salem said...

She did not want to go through with the ordeal at that time – it certainly would have been an ordeal. Also she thought she might lose Tanya…"

well
she got her own living hell I guess with her daughter being arrested for drugs and herself being involved with some pretty nasty things.
wow
if she and Tex and susan would just fess up*

Salem said...

Linda also went to her moms house after Fla.
Then in the 80's she hooked up with her hubby for awhile in NH.
last I heard she was very sick.
I wonder if she is still in Washington State or back east?

meatwad said...

catscradle77 said...
Question-in rereading the Sanders' missive-


Anybody who can use the word missive has my respect, lol.

Nothing yet on the Milford, Michigan caper other than the cupcakes being sold with depictions of Hoffa dead in the icing from the local bakery selling like...well, hotcakes.

If you have ever lived in a small agri town you have to chuckle.

Like carving bear sculptures with a chainsaw. Or selling cron in the summer. Or cutting wood on property you don't own and selling it, lol.

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Cats said,

I can whittle purdy darn good...I bet I can make a Hoffa tater....lol..

laughin my ass off.

I need me a darn Hoffa Chee pet,
dammit.

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Cats said,

"I wonder if there have been Hoffa sightings??? "

Probably not.

I think of him tho' when I gnaw on ribs.

Those bones remind me that he might just surface some day.


Like your fave hound dog.

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spookycatz said...

A link to some reading on MK Ultra.

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=8294&pst=417170&archival=

Happy reading!

Spooky

Salem said...

http://www.totse.com/en/drugs/psychedelics/cia-lsd.html

Salem said...

http://www.levity.com/aciddreams/

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Salem said...

well Charlie has his share of LSD also*
:)

Salem said...

HAD*
i meant. among other drugs...just not excessive as some people on the ranch.

Salem said...

What Charlie did, fucking with people's heads as a sitter (somebody who doesn't take drugs and who looks over and after the trippers so that there's help available when somebody has a bad trip) is wrong on many levels, no matter how you want to look at it. And I dare to bet he knew exactly what he was doing and what he could achieve with it.

I dont think Charlie did that. I dont think he was *ucking with heads. I think most of the heads were already *ucked.
CM just liked to trip and have fun. nothing more.
jmho

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Salem said...

What I found interseting in the second link, is the fact there was talk of using LSD in the water system and the effects it would have. Didn't the so called Family make these statements about dosing the water too? I believe, it was said in 1959 in the article.

LOL GRACE SLICK DID!
GO GRACIE!

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Salem said...

HECK YEAH!
GRACIE WAS COOL! STILL ROCKIN TODAY.
SHAME HER VISIT TO THE WHITE HOUSE WAS SPOILED. ;(

Salem said...

Getting High: A History of LSD
46:06
In the 1960s, LSD exploded into the popular consciousness--and inside the brains of the countless trippers who tried the revolutionary drug. Thirty years later its role in the cultural upheavals of that tumultuous time is still debated.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search=CIA&sort=video_view_count
Getting High: A History of LSD.

agnostic monk said...

salem I was wondering if I could email you. I have a question I would like to ask you if you don't mind.

If you're not comfortable with that I understand. Let me know.

:)

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Salem said...

omg
the hot dog was FREAKY!!!!!!!!
thanks!

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agnostic monk said...
salem I was wondering if I could email you. I have a question I would like to ask you if you don't mind.

If you're not comfortable with that I understand. Let me know.

:)

np
how can i get in touch with you?
I really dont like to give out my email addy.
Cat and AM and 60's have it. shoot them a email. and they will give ya my addy.
cool.

Salem said...

HEADS UP!!!!!!
WHITE RABBITT IS BACK AND IS ON CM.COM..
HES ASKING ME IF WE WERE FIGHTING WITH HEAVEN.

OH GEEEEZZZZ
HE SAYS SOME ONE STOLE HIS BOOK?

agnostic monk said...

salem, my email is agnosticmonk69@yahoo.com

if you get a chance ring me up and I'll respond back

thanks :)

Salem said...

it should be there.

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Savage said...
>>>Linda had a chance to start fresh and threw her life away while the others had their lives taken away from them.<<<<

The others threw their own lives away, Savage, and that includes Susan and Leslie. I know you're smart enough to realize that. They tossed their lives on the trashheap the minute they held people's bodies down and wielded knives against flesh. That was NO ONE'S FAULT BUT THEIR OWN.

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Savage said...
>>>Hopefully Linda will soon be tripping out with TJ, Little Paul and George Spahn at that big ranch in the sky.<<<<

I don't think you wishing death on linda is even worthy of the dignity of a response, so I'll resist the urge to tear you a new asshole. I'll also resist the urge to CALL you an asshole.

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Salem said...

well....
goodnight everyone!

Hope you all had a nice week end.

I do believe in Karma.
Peace

agnostic monk said...

Savage, I don't particularly care all that much what you personally think of Linda Kasabian. I know that you do not know her personally, and I know you are being fed rumors and gossip about who she was and is as a person from people who also do not know her, and for some strange reason you perpetuate this idea that she was somehow responsible for the fate of the killers. That is ludicrous to me. They are responsible for their own actions with or without linda's involvement.

That said, you wished DEATH on her in your last post, which I think is a really odd, creepy, and very sad thing to do.

You wished DEATH on her, dude. DEATH. Her life's been a mess filled with heartache, illness, and a family she was not equipped to care for, and you are reveling in her misery - the way Susan Atkins claimed to revel in the taste of Sharon Tate's blood - as though it's some kind of poetic justice for taking the witness stand against the killers.

And I'm the sorry excuse for humanity?

You and I have a slightly different definition of the word "humanity".

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Heaven said...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Susan the original snitch?
Wasn't she the one who was telling her cellmates about the murders and all those involved. Wasn't it she who testified before the grand jury and pointed the finger at Manson, Tex, Leslie, Patricia and also herself?

I disagree with you Savage, I don't believe that Manson and the others would have ever been acquitted.

There was evidence that placed these people at the Tate house. Not to mention, they each admitted their involvement... Including Susan...

=)

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4Sharon said...

It appears everything about Debra's life is shrouded in mystery.
1. how did she get control of the OB from Robin, with her head mod and that Elvis wannabe - how are the three in cahoots?
2. Doesn't she owe a LARGE sum of money to the IRS (I have heard)
3. Where is Col. Tate's ashes and why is there no proper burial?
4. Why did Debra have a falling out with her cousin Pam...and how was the OB head mod involved in that? Or was she? Rumor has it that she was......
5. Why does Debra cling to Roman so? I am sure it has more to do with, than grave hugging, for memories.
6. Why is Debra trying to be in the limelight, through Sharon's memory?
7. Why does Debra insist she and Sharon were "buds" when Sharon would never tell her private things to a 16 year old???? Close, maybe, but not "buds". I think Debra would like everyone to believe that but Sharon was just a "mom figure" to her...
8. Why does everyone cling to and believe everything out of Debra's mouth, as if it is God speaking?
Just a few things to ponder...

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Deb said...

Question-in rereading the Sanders' missive-the 2002 version-he states Sharon was supposed to go sleep at a girlfriends that night-but never mentions who the girlfriend is. Anyone know? And, at what point did she change her mind? If the rumor of her not being home is true, I am just kind of curious because of the phone call tht was made that morning between the Ranch and Cielo...

Hey Cats, I am also reading the Family (2002) version and somewhere just before page 200 Sanders said it was Shelagh Wells' place that she was going to be staying at. Apparently they used to be roommates for a year.

Just read it yesterday.

Cheers!

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Salem said...

hey Cat
The morning phone call thing bugs me for some reason. If someone thought it necessary to call Cielo and check on who was supposed to be there that evening, why didn't someone call back or call the Ranch to say plans had been changed.

maybe the call was to see if VF had the drugs ready? What if someone at Cielo said yes, and then Tex and Linda went there, only to be turned away 2 times that day.
I know Abby and VF left 2 times that day...One time to buy a bike and once to eat that evening.
So surely someone knew when abby and VF were gonna be there.( that afternoon*)
seems it would have been after sharon and friends had the oudoor lunch.
Robert Evans was suppose to have been there that night also. I dont recall why he didnt show up..
???????

Deb said...

No worries, Cat.

I read a quote once (who said it I don't remember) but the person said that everyone started to say that they were "supposed to go over to a party" or whatever at Sharon's that night and for whatever reason did not go. This person went on to say that if all the people that said they were supposed to go there would have been the majority of Hollywood so I think the person who made the quote was saying most people were full of it. I think even Roman has commented on how many people said they were going to a party there that night even Robert Evans.

As for Sharon not going to her friend's place, she probably was too tired from the heat and being 9 months pregnant.

I want to know who the heck this Vern Plumtree is though.

Cheers

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Salem said...

seems to me Abby would have told Sharon about the arguement that day with Linda and VF and maybe she did tell Sharon, I guess Sharon didnt know how this(drug deal) would escalate to such a heinous ending. Maybe thats why she called Jay to come over that night, to be with her, and look after things...
We all know Abby wasnt surprized when she saw one on the killers walk past her bedroom.
jmho
Tex is who I blame for the most part. I think he was drugged and pumped and angry .when he saw a car leaving ( steven parent) he may have thought it was VF leaving to get away.) Tex was out of it that night , he says , he didnt even know Sharon Tate was pregant, so he wasnt very lucid in this thoughts.
Sure, Susan blabbed, and Linda squealed... But Tex started the killings.

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Salem said...

I heard the same thing about everyone supposed to be at the Cielo home..would Sharon have invited one of her sisters, (I forget which one) to spend the night, knowing what was happening in her home?

ya,
wasnt Debra to come and pick up a saddle and stay the night. Sharon told her she wasnt feeling well and was going to bed.

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catscradle77 said...
Whats Tex's story now? I read somewhere that Sadie has changed her tune so much, now she is saying that she wasn't even in the house????

12:41 PM

wow
shes saying that!!!!!!!!!!!!?????
I know Tex came out with the news, he finally recalled , that Susan didnt stab Sharon, that he did it all...
yeah right TEX!

Salem said...

really worth a read

http://www.gettingit.com/article/618

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Salem said...

ck this out Cat

http://www.sirbacon.org/4membersonly/groucho.htm

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Savage RDDB-DA said...
>>>>Had Linda kept her mouth shut chances are Manson and the others would have been acquitted. The DA's case was shakey at best and without Linda's testimony, there's no way the DA proves its case.

Linda also testified at Leslie's 2nd Trial. She didn't pass up an opportunity to stick it to the others.<<<


Savage this is where I just don't get you at all. You talk like a loyal member of the Family, as though an aquittal would have been a good thing, as though linda personally betrayed YOU by testifying. Dude, 1969 is long gone and not even Sandra Good is still sitting vigil on the corner.

LOL, yes I'm so sure linda was motivated by the desire to "stick it" to leslie and the others. please. she didn't even know leslie that well. this was not personal. BUT, linda was there. She witnessed leslie exit the car towards the LaBianca home where leslie committed a monstrous act. she SHOULD have testified.

Me, I'm glad someone was there to subsequently take the stand against the killers. they are where they belong. linda bears no responsibility for leslie's prison sentence. only leslie bears responsibility for that. even leslie herself admits that. why can't you?

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Salem said...

cat says
Dunno if the Sadie thing is true or not, someone told me that-but I cant see it really being true...her footprint was found in the house and all...

Geez Cat I wish I could remember where I heard this...
Pat had walked in from the guesthouse and was behind a chair in the living room, when she saw Tex and Susan end Sharon's life.
To this day, Pat does NOT remain friends with Susan. I KNOW this for a fact. Was in the news long ago, that in prison Pat threw a chair and hit Susan with it. This was many years ago, and I have vague memories of it, but it did happen.

Salem said...

hey Cat

http://www.paulkrassner.com/

spookycatz said...

Don't everyone laugh at once, but what is KTS...?

Thanks...

Spooky

Salem said...

Paul co-founded the Yippies with Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin. He published material on the psychedelic revolution.. then took LSD with Tim Leary, Ram Dass and Ken Kesey, later accompanying Groucho Marx on his first acid trip.

Salem said...

Groucho Marx on his first acid trip. Can u imagine that?

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Heaven said...
>>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Susan the original snitch?<<

Good point Heaven, and wasn't there ALL KINDS of snitching going on left right center? For a group that prided themselves on loyalty, there sure was a lot of blabbing.

Susan snitched...

Kitty snitched...

Mary Brunner did some chirping to save her own ass, and then would repudiate her chirping and then, as the Bug called it, "repudiate her repudiation" or something like that...

I think even Bobby did a little blabbing too, didn't he?

Oh and let's not forget - eh em, Savage - that even Leslie did some snitching of her own. She fed some details about the Tate murders to detectives during the investigation. Curiously she left out any mention of Labianca.

Oh but it's all Linda's fault and they're all just poor little victims of Linda's big mouth. LOL. Too funny.

Salem said...

Susan was orginal snitch .
She was excited when she returned from the murders that night, she told many on the ranch that night.
Leslie overheard it. I am sure many more did.
CM wasnt happy with her, he was IRRATE..* you stupid bitch ya just sent me back to prison*

Salem said...

Did Davis ever snitch?

Heaven said...

Well, if you count those that testified as snitches then Paul Watkins, Danny DeCarlo, Barbara Hoyt and Stephanie Schram were all snitches... Linda was by no means the only person to testify against Manson and the others. Hers was just an eyewitness account of the events. But others knew what had happened...

Spooky, KTS stands for Killed The Sixties. It's a Yahoo discussion group dedicated to the Manson case...

=)

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catscradle77 said...
>>>Hey Monk-
Where was Linda living and what was she doing when Leslie came up for her new trials? Did she stay in contact with the Bug or the prosecution, or did they have to locate her?
Just curious...<<<<

hi Cats, it is my understanding that Linda was back in New Hampshire living with her husband Bob along with Tanya and Angel, trying to make a go of it. They made a home out of a little renovated farm house in the boonies. Linda wanted to be as far away from the spotlight as possible and was quoted as saying she "never wants to see California again."

By the time of Leslie's re-trial, they were still in New Hampshire. She was still in contact with the prosecution. I am unsure of the exact technical/legal details of her return for re-trials but they did not have to track her down. When Squeaky attempted to assasinate President Ford, investigators flew to New Hampshire to talk with Linda thinking she may know something or thinking she may have been in contact with Family members (she did not know anything and had not been in touch with them. I mean, duh, right?).

She was quoted at one point as saying she felt that appearing at the re-trials was part of her "penance".

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Heaven said...
>>>Well, if you count those that testified as snitches then Paul Watkins, Danny DeCarlo, Barbara Hoyt and Stephanie Schram were all snitches... Linda was by no means the only person to testify against Manson and the others. Hers was just an eyewitness account of the events. But others knew what had happened...<<<

Ooops I forgot about them, heaven, thanks for the reminder. Yup, very long list of snitches.

I wonder if those who testified ever got together for a post-trial reunion of emotional support for each other? I would imagine they would need it considering who they were testifying against and how the defendants and vigil-sitters conducted themselves. I'd be scared shitless for my life knowing Squeaky was running around with a buck knife.

I also wonder something about Paul Watkins. My memory is hazy with regards to his testifying. Was it ever made clear exactly why he was so cooperative? Did they have something over his head? Or was he just trying to right what he saw as a wrong? I get the sense (and this is just a personal interpretation that could be completely off-base) from his appearance in the 1972 Manson doc that he had stars in his eyes for himself and his music.

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catscradle77 said...
>>.What a heavy penance, and having to live in her head. I wonder how Bob dealt with everything-how long were they together, if they didn't split up? I mean, we all come with baggage but....<<<

they did split up eventually. Not sure exactly when. then I think they reunited again years later only to split up again. I don't think marital fidelity was on Bob Kasabian's list of priorities, and then Linda fell back into her speed addiction which she had tried to kick in the 70's.

I think it was too much for the whole family, having been a part of all this. it was allegedly far-reaching. relatives of linda's said it devastated all of their lives.

>>>I wonder if her neighbors flipped out, or even if they knew who she was?<<<<

She didn't have much trouble in New Hampshire with neighbors and townspeople. I don't think many people cared all that much about her past. it was when she relocated with the children to various towns in the pacific northwest and then remarried that things got ugly. That's when people in her community freaked out because her former married name sounded similar to Krenwinkle and therefore some people thought she had actually done the stabbings.

Heaven said...

I'm just amazed that anyone would think that these people even stood the chance of an acquittal...

With all the evidence against them, that was never going to happen..

=)

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catscradle77 said...
>>>Any word on Bob or Linda today? Coming from the commune era-I wonder if he ever felt badly about his infidelities, or if Linda accepted them as Sharon supposedly did with Roman's? How long was Linda clean before she relapsed I wonder...was she a big speeder when she was on the Ranch?<<<

If Robert Kasabian had any sense, he would most certainly have to feel some guilt about all this. Not that any of it was directly his fault (it wasn't). Linda made her own choices, but had he not hooked up with other women in LA Linda probably would have not stumbled upon Spahn nor had any desire to stay there. She left New Hampshire in 69 with Tanya to be with her husband in California. And remember that Bob Kasabian introduced Linda to Gypsy through Charles Melton who was also friends with Tex and Paul Watkins.

>>>Not to get crazy on ya Monk-but do you know Linda? Or know someone who does? You just seem to have a lot in yer heart for her and a lot of knowledge about her life...and I don't mean that in a negative way whatsoever..<<<<

the witness protection program prevents me from answering this question..

:p

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catscradle77 said...
>>>Thanks Monk for the laugh-needed it..and thanks for answering...kinda getting to understand Linda..and maybe liking her a little..maybe :)<<<


cats it's not my goal to get people to 'like' Linda. Can't white-wash what she did. It was wrong to go along on the second night, and it was wrong to not go directly to the police.

BUT there are people out there that promote all kinds of bizarre conspiracy theories and assign tons of sinister motives to her actions, when really her story is actually quite simple. Some want us to believe she was The Devilette From The Bowels Of Hell. They are (forgive me boys) completely full of shit, IMHO. Making Linda out to be the Devilette serves an ulterior motive, which is to make someone ELSE involved in the case look better than they do (Charlie, Susan, whomever, you name it). This pint-sized petite blonde woman is an easy scapegoat because of her importance to the prosecution, her immunity deal, and her subsequent life problems.

You should also know that Linda is so small that she lives in my pocket and that's how I know when she's crying.

:)

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