Mark Turner's Minions

The Col is finishing up his stint in the frozen North and really doesn't need a war with Mark Turner. I read the comments from the long weekend and Dr. Dodoparti and others are all getting harassed by Salem, who Mark says is Wheat. I remember Wheat from previous boards. Wheat is incoherent and a nut. If Salem is Wheat, congrats on getting much better- you at least make sense. But guys, guess what? I am not running a message board. Join KTS if you want to. Or join Mark, until he wipes his out again. The comments are what they are- I don't believe most of them and if you want to get bent out of shape by them, well get a grip. It is just a message board it is not real life. As far as Mark is concerned, my issues ranged before from him banning me from his board. I do not ban anyone - including Salem. Because we have a right to speak, if not to be listened to. I got over that because I LIKE HIS SITE- it is an exceptionally well done site. I would be proud to have a site like that and he should be too. As far as the truth goes, I think he is a bit all over the place. You cannot eat cake and then put it back on the shelf. Here is a post from his board with my comments---

I rarely ever look at that blog but have been hearing stories. This means he looks at it only once a week to see if there is anything good on it- just like I do with his site.

Col Scott got mad when I put the Dennis Rice vest on my website. No, please be truthful- Col Scott stated in detail (the post is still there) that the vest is NOT authentic- that there were only TWO authentic vests- one is gone and I own the other HALF FINISHED one.

We all know Col Scott is tight with Bobby Beausoleil and he talks about how wonderful Beausoleil's vest is. It is wonderful enough to me- people who I have shown it to do not think it is all that- and no where have I on this blog ever said it was the bee's knees or anything. Mark be truthful please!

If I were guessing, Col Scott owns that vest Why guess I stated I own it?
and that's why he got mad when another Family vest came on the market. Why else would he be so angry about it? Mark please show me my anger. Why would I be angry about a fraudulent vest? Can you not be truthful?

Do I expect it to sell? Not at the current price. But I THOUGHT everybody would be happy to see very nice, close-up photos of a Family vest. Yes, if it were actually authentic.
Heck, very few people could afford such an item but we can all entertain ourselves with the photos! Why not just be happy to see it and quit looking for ulterior motives? But you DO have an ulterior motive- to make money for a false Christian ministry.

Now, where do the accusations of Rice being a child molester come from? I don't know. I never said (can you read Mark? Or do you just make things up?) he was a molester. I said he was responsible for his children being molested. Just as bad to me,

I've never heard or seen such a thing that I can remember. If it's out there, feel free to refresh my memory. I suspect this rumor See, the truth is your friend. Dennis kids were at the Ranch and sexually abused while there. No rumors.
came from the story that Andy just posted about above. Bill Nelson's second book had a supposed interview with an unnamed Family member. She said she left the group after she saw Manson molest one of Rice's children. As Andy posted, Rice didn't come along until after the arrests were announced. Manson was already in jail by that time. So does that mean it was Clem then? Why were children there at all?

So basically, why is Col Scott so upset with Dennis Rice? Because he is a fraud who is selling a fraudulent vest and who claims he loves Christ but never loved his own children. Good reasons I think.

Many people question the Christian conversion of Tex, Susan and Bruce. The main reason I might not question it is because they've stuck with it for so long. So have Falwell and Robertson. But they are full of shit too.

If they were making the claim just to win parole, I suspect they'd have given up that scheme many years ago. But, back to Dennis. He was released from prison but returned a time or two. Then he had his religious experience and has stayed out of prison ever since. He didn't abandon it once he was paroled. He's stuck with it nearly 30 years and has made it his life's work. It should be obvious to anybody that he didn't just convert to win parole. So, why be so upset with him? I still think it's purely over the vest. No you don't. The vest is just further lies. Why not interview one of his kids, Mark? Ask for access and see what you learn. WHY NOT?

When such photos (like the vest) come my way in the future, would everybody prefer that I just keep them secret? Or would you prefer that I share them? I seriously thought most people would like to see them. What a crock of shit Mark. You didn't do it to share. GO LOOK AT YOUR SITE. You wanted to sell it to some sade lunatic with too much cash.

Same with the new nude photo of Sandy and Lyn. And same with the Sandy/Lyn knives. Would everybody prefer that I just keep such things to myself or would you like me to share pictures or aim you at the eBay auctions? The photo sold but I had no deal with the owner. I didn't make a cent from it. Who is complaining about those? They were real. Thanks for the tip I enjoyed them.

As for Wheat, she has long plauged any message board she can get on. As I previously stated, I banned her for posting false stories. Even Col Scott has made many jokes about her in the past. My only interest in Wheat is in keeping her off of this message board. I've never seen her driver's license. I've never posted it. What would I have to gain from that? The only photo I've ever seen of her is a weird one that she used to post in her "signature" on Frontera's board. She took a photo of 3 or 4 Manson girls and superimposed her face on one of their bodies. Christ I recall that photo. Wheat is crazy. She is probably better off not on your board. I know you are.

Wheat also posted that she heard I'd been sued for posting a photo of the Willett murder house. Totally untrue. Heck, you can confirm the photo is still online:

http://charliemanson.com/places/720-west-flora.htm

The owner initially complained about the photo because she thought it was a photo that she'd taken. After one e-mail, she totally changed her objections. We've exchanged a great many e-mails. She sent me a large envelope of additional photos of the house (front, back, sides and inside). She even sent me the sketch that her appraiser did. Plus, she made a very nice cash donation to the website. Sweet. Do her kids still love her? Just joshing, Mark.

As for the donations, I put that link on the site when I was laid off from work. In exchange I sent people a very nice CD of scans of over 1000 newspaper articles. For people who gave a little extra, I usually included a DVD of a Manson interview. There were never all that many donations and eventually they pretty much died off. I found a new job and took the donation link off the website. Hell I wish I had that CD- is it too late to donate?
Okay, this rambled on for far too long!


Mark- your site rules, but when you lie you are not fooling ANYONE, okay? Don't twist my words and you and I will be fine. I love the site and I enjoy you for the most part. But the truth is what it is. People can sputter, but facts are facts. Happy All That.