Bobby and Love

Leftover Reading

SometImes People Don't Think....

So say you want to write a book about the case. Or an article. Or how about a film?

Well, you COULD base it on one of the books about the case. The partially fictitious, fully self-serving HELTER SKELTER is pretty played out after that hideous TV remake a few years ago. Sanders' THE FAMILY, despite being a poorly organized checklist of events, might be a good idea, till you find out it is under option to Paramount Vantage (though with little likelihood that it gets made). There are other books out there too. Suppose you look around, realize that the upcoming books including Gypsy's, where she glosses over her crimes post-Charlie, and Tom O'Neill's ten year in the making book which tells us everything we already knew again are not for you, and instead decide to base your film on book XYZ by ABC.

Now remember, you don't HAVE to do this, simply because most of the material out there is in the publc domain. You could write an original screenplay. It doesn't have to be as bad and wrong as the MANSON GIRLS script hat Wyman and company were peddling (and still are apparently). Almost everything out there is open to the public- trial transcripts, newspapers, etc etc. You'd only have to worry that somebody who was never convicted of a crime who had a lot of money could come after you. And basically that's Melcher. And guess what- he's dead. After you're dead your reputation cannot be protected and you have no life rights. So I say go ahead and just write it kids. Or you could do like Wyman and get the life rights of someone like he did- Nancy Pittman. But why?

But suppose you really want to buy book XYZ? The normal way it works is that you give author ABC an "option". An option is a legal document that gives you the right to buy the book for a certain price during a set period of time for a small amount of money up front. For example, $10,000 for 18 months during which time at any point you can pay $300,000 for the film rights to the book. It is an option to DO something, in this case buy the book rights.

Well I recently learned that Xenon Films has optioned a book that they want to make into a film.

It is called "Will You Not Die For Me" by Tex Watson.

Fucking Hell.

This means that this company has given money to Tex Watson. A man who gleefully stabbed an almost nine month pregnant woman to death.

Charming.

I don't care whether they optioned the book for $1.00 or $10,000. They gave money to Tex Watson. They want to do his life story. Presumably how "poor" Tex was made by Charlie to commit 8 murders.

Sure they are a rinky dink company. Sure the film will likely not happen.

But there's a special place in hell for people who give money to someone like that. A hot place.

Obsessed Bitch from Ronson Board

This Robin Chick seemed at one point to think she was related to the Tates.

She is only sad and amusing now........


(Thanks to the emailer who sent this)

This Year I LIKE CHOPIN

Welcome to 2009.

This year we'll see many fortieth anniversary stories about the murders, all of whom will have BUGliosi holding forth on his one triumph in life.

This year we'll see Tom O'Neill's new book from Penguin, wherein his years of extensive research will reveal nothing new at all.

This year we'll continue to try to explain to people that Debra Tate was disowned by her family who would be appalled to find her at every parole hearing.

This year--- what do you hope for and expect?

Denial !

Bobby gets the worse denial I have ever heard. A denial of hope.

I hope he sues these guys against the wall.


Discuss.

Blogging MANSON'S FORGOTTEN VICTIMS

Hmmm Tom O'Neill is in the damn credits babbling about more bodies- he is now the new Debra huh..... Dostie can't accept that he had an EPIC FAIL- he found nothing at Barker and now he is roaming Spahn- is Gresham next, lol... Gypsy is on on second and she lies about being 17- she was 25 I think....Hoyt says they pretended to be "mountain folk"- what the fuck is that? Dostie is an expert on Helter Skelter - because he read it twice!...OMG O'Neill after ten years of research actually claims there are 24 murders they cannot pin on the Family- what a croc! There goes hopes for that book...Hughes wasn't murdered, sorry Kay...narrator lists 2 real victims, one likely victim and one non victim and then says there are many more- but no there aren't....more Dostie comedy...babbling about missing men- nonsense....sweaty O'Neill thinks the imaginay victims were snitches...Fat Hoyt says "Crossed Them" when she WAS "them"....Debra says "Hey Me!"....more Dostie frolics....Dostie gets excited to dig- in the footsteps of Larry Melton!...He fails then cries about limitatons....Sheriff speaks reason....Dostie goes to another Ranch....I wonder if he church know Paul is digging up their land- he has no jurisdiction here- just wants attention....I actually nod off during this crap....Dostie starts to look like Nelson to me...They fail again but cry about it again....Narrator claims there are more questions but there aren't....

Debra the Whale Flips Again

If you believe the evil Mark Turner whose site seldom gets updated anymore (and most of which is now inferior to the Bret site) Debra JUST found out that Bobby was having a parole hearing in a few days. Of course, Bret's site reported this weeks ago. It seems she wants the public, or at least some internet dicks, to write emails in a hurry saying he shouldn't be let go.

I mean what the fuck man?! Did Bobby do something to Sharon Tate that I missed? He was in a jail when TLB happened. Where does she get off stating this? Bitch was disinherited by her family and disowned because she was a lying psycho. She still refuses to bury her father's ashes as per his wishes. I think she takes them out and talks to them or some shit. From what I hear, Dad never forgave her when he learned she used to run around naked at the age of 16 with ~~~~, the drug dealing ~~~ in her sister's ~~~~. Is that why she was disowned? Why do Patti's kids never converse with their own Aunt? Doris and Patti never interfered in the parole hearings of people that didn't attack them. I used to goad crazy Jimmy about Leslie, but if one takes TLB as one event, well then Leslie was part of TLB. She just was. Bobby wasn't.

Now I'm not deluded. I wrote a letter of support for Bobby once. I like the guy. But I think he's probably screwed as a "Mansonite". I hope he gets out. But it isn't likely. So what is with this Debra shit anyway? More attention whoring?

Let me clarify some of this rant for a second. She can do whatever she wants. But I ask why? Why not focus on the right people? You lose the moral high ground when you attack EVERYONE. Not that she ever had any high ground to begin with.

I would be thrilled if Bobby got paroled. But there's zero chance. Go ahead Mark, write your letter.

What could it possibly say anyway? "Hi I run a site called Charliemanson.com. If Bobby Beausoleil gets out he might come after me for some of the shit I wrote about him. Please keep him locked up. I am 1/3547th Hinman by marriage. Thank you." I mean sheeeit!

[just in case anyone cares, the preceding is my constitutionally protected fucking opinion. Maybe everything above is just bullshit. Take it seriously. Or not. But ever since Adam Gabriel's lawyer-by-night threatened to sue me for the truth back in June, I gots to be careful. People can't read very well.]

The Painted Pony Goes Up and Down

Paul became a grandfather last month. RIP Paul Watkins.

The Col Still Reads

Sooo.... I am continually amazed by things people claimed back then with a straight face that were taken as true. In some cases they are still considered true, even if no human would ever seriously believe them. I am talking about Juan Flynn's assertion that he knew about the killings but it was okay. Uh huh.

Also today we see Melcher get away with easy questions... and most of the press seems to believe Charlie thought he still lived there. It explains Tate a lot more readily than believing the BUG's novel.

Finally we have the NY TIMES from the day of the Bruce Davis surrender, the first youtube I ever posted. It claims that Nancy was married to Bruce. I don't recall that. Anyone know if this is true?

What the Col Has Been Reading

Thoughts: An article from somebody who was there describes Charlie as 5 feet 7. ...ANOTHER killing that we never hear anything more on... Pugh, Zero, Merrick- this would not happen in 2008 .... I know people who know Rudy and I don't think he's considered credible.

(Click on article to read)

I don't think they really ate there anyway

Ruminations

Hi there.

It's been almost a month. I haven't posted. Why?

There hasn't been much to report and I have been busy. It's that simple.

Now we have a new president. And Bobby is gonna have an even tougher time getting parole- if he ever had a chance to begin with. And gays that were married aren't. Nice world we live in.

So anyway, have you noticed that it is 8 months almost and Susan Atkins still breathes? Too bad she didn't get out, huh?

Paul Watkins would now be a grandfather if he were still alive. Congrats to his daughter.

Anyone notice that Bret came back? Thank the Lord.

The Col is back. I'll stay around more this time. Thanks.

Reflections of The Way Things Used To Be

I was thinking the other day, and I thought to self, "Where does it all go off the track?" I mean at some point the TLB investigation was about solving murders and catching the culprits, not a referendum on the politics of the 1960s. Sure, the relative fame of the Tate Victims played no small part in the derailing, but they were jet setters, not really famous. A hairdresser and an actress who was thinking about giving up what was left of her small career. An heiress. Fame and money and glamor affected things, yes. But what else factored into the derailing? BUG used it for personal aggrandizement, but he had to have something to use in the first place. What?

My thoughts wandered back to something so basic, at least in today's world, that it took more than a moment to digest. Remember, there were three cases inside of a month where there was writing in blood at the crime scene. The victim's blood. Hinman in Malibu, Tate in Beverly Hills and LaBianca in Los Feliz. If this happened today the cases would be linked in less than thirty seconds. But in 1969, they weren't linked until confessions appeared MONTHS after the crime. That's weird to me. Yes all three were in different jurisdictions... but that's weird to me too, because could the killers have known that? Do you know which law enforcement arm shares which jurisdiction? Cause I sure don't.

I still believe that the key to the case lies with LaBianca motivation. Hinman was for money or drugs with a personal connection thrown in. Tate seems like drugs with a lot of wrong place wrong time. LaBianca was NOT "because True lived next door." It is too pointed, too specific. They had JUST gotten back home. Was the daughter or son in on it? It would be strange that the connection cannot be proved if so...there is always a leak. Was it drugs? It wasn't random, but 40 years later we still don't know what the connection IS.

So then the three cases essentially become Bug's. And HE cannot find the connection. So he makes up the race war shit. And we go off the track.

So is that where it happens? LaBianca? Let's look at speculation.

1- Mafia connections- if so, then how does it connect to Tate? Answer- it doesn't.
2- Bikers- The connections are there, but so what?
3- Drugs- There has been speculation that Leno was into them, that Suzan was into them, that Rosemary was into them. Okay. No proof. But let's say they were. So how does that trace back to Chatsworth? I don't see it.

Why did Tex Watson kill Leno and Rosemary LaBianca? What did they have to do with Frykowski?

That's where I think the answer lies.

Debra's Work

Thanks Bret for this interview- I was in Mexico on the Beach and missed this Bitch talking.

Observations:

1- Why does she outright lie about how she heard about Sharon's murder? "Wayne" has nothing to do with it.

2- Is NBC willing to buy her Bullshit wholesale? DEBRA- you MOM and DAD disinherited you. Stop speaking for them.

This isn't TOO bad- but it is more of the attention grabbing Debra that we have had as of late.

Bye the way, Monkeyboy, she is talking about Steven Kay who enlisted Doris to fight the release of that murdering whole Leslie Van Houten!

For Bret

There is Now Joy In Mudville

Bret, the owner of the best damned website on the Manson story, has surfaced.

If you read the postings of the super idiot known as JimNy, you would think he was dead - indeed Jim seemed hopeful that that was the case.

Those of us who care about the case, truly care about getting to the truth (no, not Tom O'Neill) were greatly concerned- where was Bret? Myself, Heaven and Cats, the major online truth seekers (along with the evil Mark Turner) had no idea. No emails replied to. Site down. Phone off.

Here was a guy who in half the time had done three times as much as Bill Nelson without the bullshit Christianity or pedophilia- he had created a site that was filled with so much truth it was invaluable.

Worse yet, some weeks before he disappeared, both he and the Col had been confronted by a "lawyer" ( I may be disbarred in 48 states but I always had people who answered my phone correctly) who was very upset that Bret had revealed the present day identity of convicted murderer and hard core Family member Steve Grogan. Of course her points were ludicrous- what was she going to do, file a case for definition of character? Did she think that released killers have a constitutional right to anonymity? The lawyer was laughed off, but then Bret went POOF and so who knew, right?

The Col, with his unlimited resources and supermodel wife, decided to spend some of his unlimited funds and hire a detective firm in Iceland. There we got the report that just came through from a Lars Lasterston who I take it is a modern day Columbo. Here is an excerpt-

" Bret "Last Name Redacted" filed a police report with the ReykjavikPolice Research Department on June 11, 2008. Complaintant listed his occupation as horse fancier and seal furrier and made special note of his avocation as "Charles Manson Case Researcher and Expert." He mentioned that on 8 June his home office had been "creepy crawled" by persons or persons unknown and his computer system hacked. Witness defined the term as "someone breaking into your house and moving things around, including the canned fish." On 10 June same persons again broke in and reorganized the house to the way it had been before the first breakdown, except for the canned kippers. Police promised to investigate. On 16 June a patrol car made its way to the residence and found the house empty and locked. Complaintant had told his supervisor that he was "being followed by a Moonshadow" and then resigned.

Research from this office indicated multiple suspects:

James XXXX - Internet buffoon who uses the alias "Savage" as well as "Monkey Boy", suspect has an unhealthy obsession with the murderous harlot known as Leslie Van Houten, convicted USA Felon who stabbed a woman to death for shits and giggles. James/Jimmy runs a seldom read blog in which he acknowledged Bret's disappearance and took great glee from it.

Adam Gabriel, also known as Steve Grogan also known as Clem also known as Scramblehead- convicted killer and indecent exposurer who was intimately involved in the many crimes of the Charles Manson Family, including the brutal murder of ranch hand Shorty Shea. Paroled in 1985 after working with police. Expert on creepy crawling and house painting. Assessed by one USA judge as "little more than an animal" or something.

James Whitehouse- lawyer for murderous strumpet Susan Atkins and her husband, trailer park liver and bad hairstyle wearer, failed recently in abortive attempt to free his wife by lying about her medical condition. Known to be livid with Bret for not supporting her release and for not attending the tenth annual Charles Ronson Board reunion.

Darren Faitfull- aka ColScott, aka Light Fingers Louie, aka Alli Ben Satchbone- disbarred attorney from Torrance California who runs the ONLY Official Tate LaBianca Murders Blog on the worldwide web, the only truthful site since the vanishment of Bret. YES suspect has hired this firm to hide Bret but in my experience that could be a bone to throw us off the track"

PAGES OMITTED

" Final Conclusion- None of the initial suspects were indicated based on over 1100 hours of manwork. Speaking of manwork, William Garretson and his homosexual liasion with Steven Parent, while likely, had nothing to do with this case. Newly revealed suspect JOHN AESNIHIL, sixties acid casualty, yellow van owner, bon vivant and manager of Steve Railsback has confessed after being hit with several phone books repeatedly around the face and neck. Apparently Bret had custody of several beta tapes that Aesnihil wanted back. Suspect left a message on the machine that investigators overlooked stating "This happened before when I loaned shit to Nelson and his cow wife donated it to UCLA even though it was mine. Never again! I am the AesNihil and I have come to do the Aesnihil's business!!" Suspect stated the creepy crawling was "to send a message - and to get an invitation to his house for kippers." AesNihil, well known for selling things he doesn't own and for blowing Robert Beausoleil's most recent chance for parole through an exhibit at the Clair Obscura Gallery (since closed) in LA. Case closed- AesNihil returned to LA in an undisclosed location, sure to fight extradition as fervently as Watson. Releasing new version of film called Suddenly Last Summer."

So I was shocked to see that I was a suspect- I LOVE BRET. I am not surprised about John- the flashbacks have gotten worse lately- when we last actually spoke he screamed "Ish burples Stren Tenegres" and I think he meant it. I will try to get that film he is doing and see if it provides any clues.

Is any of the above true or not? Who knows- I have never even been to that cold wasteland of a country. This is an opinion site anyway.

I do know that Bret will be back online later in the week. And idiots like Monkeyboy and the other haters can go fuck themselves.

NIGHT OF THE LIVING BITCH

So anyone notice that it has been six quick months since Susan Atkins, murderess, tried to get out of jail, claiming that she would be dead in six months?

Ask Him Why He Let His Kids Be Abused!

Manson follower to speak in Vallejo

Former Family member gives lecture tours about his past and finding God

By RACHEL RASKIN-ZRIHEN/Times-Herald staff writer

Article Launched: 10/01/2008 07:58:52 AM PDT

A former member of the violent Charles Manson cult is coming to Vallejo, and a local church pastor said he couldn't be more pleased.

A generation ago, Dennis Rice decided to throw his lot in with convicted killer and cult leader Manson. Older now, and evidently much wiser, Rice spends his time traveling to prisons worldwide telling his story of redemption. The former Manson Family member will tell his story at Vallejo's "The Door" - Christian Fellowship Church on Oct. 12, and the public is invited, Pastor Stuart Reblin said Tuesday.

During the free presentations in Vallejo, at 11 a.m. and 6:30 p.m., Rice, who now lives in Tempe, Ariz., said in a phone interview Tuesday that he will recount how he spent seven years in prison for trying to break Manson out, and how he later found God. He said he runs the nonprofit Free Indeed Ministries. His Web site is manson2jesus.com.

Rice will make a stop in Vallejo during a lecture tour of Bay Area correctional facilities including San Quentin and county facilities in Oakland and Martinez, Reblin said.

"I've never heard him before, but I've heard he shares his life story with the Manson gang and his life before he became a Christian," Reblin said. "I understand he communicates a very positive testimony of new life, and the ability of a person's life to change."

Rice says he was a loose cannon in 1960s Los Angeles when the Tate-LaBianca murders rocked the country in 1969.

"I was a jack-of-all- trades, when I wasn't stealing,"

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he said of his life before Manson.

Deciding "nothing short of the Second Coming of Christ or a revolution were necessary to solve America's problems," Rice went to visit Manson in jail. Based on that visit, he and his four children, age 2 to 10, moved in with "Manson Family" members who weren't already behind bars.

"We played music in the evenings and ate dinner together, and the ladies would go out Dumpster diving during the days to bring back food," Rice said. "And we planned for the day Charlie would be released."

IF YOU GO What: A free presentation by former Manson Family member Dennis Rice. When: 11 a.m. and 6:30 p.m. Oct. 12. Where: 'The Door' - Christian Fellowship Church, 315 Henry St., Vallejo. Information: 208-6914.

There was a shared vision of the future, he said.

"Charlie and the others were convicted of the murders and sentenced to die," Rice said. "In order to save them we held up an Army surplus store to obtain enough guns to break them out of jail."

That didn't work out

as planned, and Rice spent the next seven years in prison, where he "was introduced to the real Jesus Christ," he said.

For the past 25 years, Rice has shared his life-altering experience with inmates nationwide about "the One who has come to set them free," he says.

"It was a cathartic moment, when I realized that Charlie wasn't

Jesus Christ, that I had based my whole life on something that was wrong and not true," he said.

Pastor Reblin said that having someone with as bizarre a tale as Rice's speak to his

congregation is an important learning opportunity.

"There's an odd fascination in our society with the criminal lifestyle," Reblin said. "Despite the glorification that goes on, there's a huge price to pay personally and societally, and (Rice) discusses the deception in that. And at a time when so many are searching for answers, we are very fortunate to have him coming to Vallejo."

• E-mail Rachel Raskin-Zrihen at RachelZ@thnewsnet.com or call 553-6824.

Leslie amd Bruce Given Da Smackdown!

Calif. initiative would mandate victims' rights

By DON THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer

Wednesday, October 1, 2008

(10-01) 15:50 PDT SACRAMENTO, (AP) --

After Patricia Wenskunas was assaulted by her personal trainer in 2002, she felt victimized a second time when prosecutors negotiated a plea agreement with her attacker without her knowledge.

Angered to action, she formed Crime Survivors Inc. after rallying 50 people outside the Orange County courthouse in what turned out to be a successful effort to oppose the plea deal. She doesn't want other crime victims to feel as helpless as she did before the rally.

"Criminals are read their rights. Victims are told, 'Just go on with your life,'" said Wenskunas, 39, who owns a catering business.

She is among the supporters of Proposition 9 on the Nov. 4 ballot, which seeks to place rights for crime victims in the state Constitution. Supporters say criminals are often coddled while victims are left to fend for themselves.

Opponents say the proposal would tip the scales of justice too far, potentially violating defendants' rights and conflicting with federal court rulings.

That initiative follows voter approval of the "Victims' Bill of Rights" in 1982. That measure wrote numerous victims' rights into law but not into the Constitution. It gave victims the right to be told when criminals are nearing release, to be notified of criminal proceedings and to participate in sentencing and parole hearings.

Proposition 9 goes further.

Prosecutors would be required to consult with victims on what charges to file, judges would have to consider victims' safety when setting bail, and victim restitution would get priority over fines and fees.

Victims could refuse to be interviewed or provide evidence, testimony or confidential information to defendants.

Under the initiative, criminals denied parole from their life sentences might not get another hearing for 15 years, and parolees could be sent back to prison without legal representation.

"What we're asking is equal justice," said Harriet Salarno of Auburn, president of Crime Victims United of California. "We're not taking anything away from the criminal. We're just asking the same rights be afforded to us in the Constitution."

Salarno formed Crime Victims United of California after her daughter, Catina, was murdered by a former boyfriend in 1979.

Jakada Imani also knows what it feels like to be victimized by violent crime, but says Proposition 9 goes too far.

He had two brothers wounded by gunfire in recent years. One brother was struck in the head by a stray bullet in Sacramento. The other was hit when Oakland gang members opened fire on a family gathering, killing his brother's best friend.

"This initiative can start to blur the line between accused and guilty," said Imani, executive director of the Oakland-based Ella Baker Center for Human Rights, which promotes alternatives to incarceration. "It tips over into politicizing victims and crime."

The measure could conflict with certain federal laws and court rulings.

It would reverse the state's agreement to provide attorneys to all ex-convicts facing revocation of their parole, an agreement struck in the settlement of a federal class-action lawsuit. Proposition 9 would require the state to provide attorneys only for parolees who can't afford to hire an attorney and can't represent themselves because they lack sufficient education or are mentally incapacitated.

It also would amend the state Constitution to prohibit releasing inmates early as part of a mandate to ease crowding in prisons or county jails. The Legislature and county boards of supervisors would be required to provide enough money to house inmates for their full sentences.

That runs counter to federal court orders capping the number of inmates who can be housed in 20 jails throughout the state. Twelve more counties have a self-imposed cap.

There is no cap on the state prison population, but a special panel of three federal judges could impose one after a trial scheduled for November.

Supporters and opponents of Proposition 9 agree that federal law or court decisions would supersede the state Constitution. Supporters said the initiative would allow alternatives to being jailed, such as home detention or using tracking devices.

The nonpartisan Legislative Analyst's Office projected that keeping inmates in jail or prison longer under Proposition 9 could cost the state and counties hundreds of millions of dollars a year. It estimated the state could save tens of millions of dollars annually by reducing parole hearings.

Currently, inmates serving life sentences are entitled to a hearing every one- to five years. The proposition would permit hearings every three- to 15 years. Inmates could petition for a quicker hearing if they present evidence of rehabilitation.

The proposition, which proponents dubbed "Marsy's Law," has a troubled history.

It's named for Marsy Nicholas, a 21-year-old University of California, Santa Barbara student who was murdered by her boyfriend in 1983. Marsy's mother was shocked to run into her daughter's killer days later at a grocery store, after he was released on bail without the family's knowledge. He eventually was convicted and died in prison.

The incident prompted Marsy's brother, Broadcom co-founder Henry T. Nicholas III, to spend $4.8 million to get Proposition 9 on the ballot.

But the billionaire was indicted in June on federal securities fraud and drug charges, alleging he spiked the drinks of business associates with Ecstasy and maintained a drug warehouse. He has pleaded not guilty.

In a further oddity, two imprisoned followers of 1960s cult leader Charles Manson challenged the official ballot arguments used by Proposition 9 supporters.

Bruce Davis and Leslie Van Houten, who have been denied parole repeatedly, objected to being named as examples of inmates who force taxpayers to "spend millions of dollars on hearings for dangerous criminals that have virtually no chance of release."

They argued they would have been freed long ago had it not been for their association with Manson and that their parole hearings cost taxpayers little. A Sacramento County judge dismissed their challenge in August.