Rolling Stone, Redux

They call Charlie all kinds of names, but four and a half decades after naming him the most Dangerous Man alive, they revisit Charlie in an in depth article.

READ THIS NOW.

TLB Discussion Group #1/// Free Gift #1

Topic- Paul Watkins


As the man who most supported the Helter Skelter Motive that BUG made up. did Paul believe anything he actually said?

Remember, after making sure Charlie spent his life in jail, Paul went back and tried to take OVER The Family.

The Inbred TLB site recently pointed to some CDS that Paul and Brooks made- supposedly long forgotten tapes.

The Col bought them so you don't have to.  As a defrocked Roman Catholic Priest I can tell you that any copyright claim would be brilliant to fight since the guy says he found the tapes in the garbage or some shit.

FREE GIFT #1

Take a listen. And explain to me if Charlie was such a devil, how come Little Paul recorded TWO Manson songs years after the trials.

Discuss----!

The Secret World of THE BUG

Some people think that Lee Harvey Oswald killed John F. Kennedy back in 1963. In order for him to have done this he would have to have been one of the greatest marksmen of his time.

He wasn't.

Referring to the last post, for Rudy Guede to have entered the cottage and murdered Meredith Kercher without Amanda Knox letting him in he would have to have suction cup hands.

He doesn't.

The basic premise of this Blog is that we don't know the motive of TLB because BUGliosi was BUGfuck insane and invented a motive to promote himself.

He did.

SO

There is a new book out called RECLAIMING PARKLAND.  It is about the JFK assassination. Because BUG wrote a shit book about it he was supposed to get his own Chapter.  But the lawyers cut it out.

Our friends at Feral House have posted it.

The Col has put it into Dropbox for you.

Let's read and discuss.

Susan Atkins / Amanda Knox

 We don't usually discuss other crimes here but...

Amanda Knox is back in the news again. She is the American Woman who along with her fuck buddy of nine days killed her roommate in a fit of rage back in 2007.  The case attracts a lot of attention out there because people think she is cute (she's a 7 at best but desperate bloggers in their basement have lower standards) and because it is hard to believe that a young woman would viciously kill someone.  They obviously don't understand that female Dexters walk among us all the time.

Knox is a Narcissistic Sociopath who believes that she is the only person that matters.  The reason why she killed her roommate is simple, and reminds me of the theories we come back to here regarding Tate LaBianca- drugs. She and her accomplices Sollecito and Guede were self-admittedly high on Hashish.  People in the US who don't travel that much think that just means marijuana but real hash is an opiate.  It removes you from reality.

Anyway The Col got interested in this case because in the same way the Tate LaBianca case got confused by falsehoods and lies from both sides, so too has the Knox case.  Amanda in a very real way reminds me of SEXY SADIE/ Susan Atkins.  Here are ten parallels.

1- An inability to STFU.- Atkins blew the TLB case wide open by blabbing to cell mates and later the Prosecution about the murders.  Knox blew the case open by accompanying her fuck buddy to his police interview (she wasn't even expected) and when realizing that the alibi was blown, shooting off her mouth with both an incriminating confession and with a story trying to frame an innocent man for the actual killing.

2- Blood Money- Atkins sold her story of the murders to the LA Times and then published it as a quickie paperback THE KILLING OF SHARON TATE.  It was self- serving and full of inaccuracies and sold poorly.  Knox sold her story of the murders to Harper Collins which published it as a book called WAITING TO BE HEARD.  It was self- serving and full of inaccuracies and sold poorly

3- Evidence Everywhere- Atkins left her knife behind.  Knox left her blood behind.

4- Changing Stories- Atkins claimed she stabbed Sharon and enjoyed it.  Then she said she just held her while Tex stabbed.  Then she was just watching.  Knox said she wasn't there.  Then she was there but an man she blamed who was innocent did it while she screamed.  Then she wasn't there again.

5- Colorful Prosecutors- Bugliosi of course had abused his office to stalk his milkman prior to the murders and would beat his mistress after them.   Italian Mignini, while not the bad guy Amanda's paid followers would like to paint him as, definitely has a dramatic Catholic view of sex and good and evil.

6- Pretty and Sexy- Atkins was one of the most attractive of the Mansonites, had a great body and had been a stripper.  She slept with most of the members on the ranch.  She flirted with reporters and the court.   Knox is considered attractive and young.  She seems to have a great body and kept a journal of guys she humped on trains.  She slept with anybody which annoyed her roommate.  She continues to try to flirt with the press to get her way.

7- Drugs- Atkins admits that she and lead killer Tex Watson were on Meth the night of the Tate Murders.  Much of her memory remained vague.  Knox was on Hashish the night of the killing.  Her memories have never added up.

8- Unclear Motive- The motive for TLB is why we have this blog.  The Prosecution is not required to provide motive only evidence that someone committed the crime. The likely TLB motive involves drugs and drug burns.  Nevertheless the prosecution put forth a silly motive (race war) and sold that as something people could accept. In any case, what is certain is the Atkins really didn't know what the motive was. We may never know what the TLB motive was.  It is unclear why Knox killed her roommate Kercher. Theories include theft, jealousy and run of the mill sociopathy. The Italian prosecutor put forth a sex games theory that sounds silly.  He didn't even try to sell that theory  We may never know what the motive was for Knox to kill.

9- Crime Partners- In Atkins' case she refused to testify, tried to defend her crime partners after initially blowing the case open, and brought everyone down.  In Knox's case she refused to testify, tried to defend her crime partners after initially blowing the case open, and will bring everyone down.

10- Life In Prison- In the end, all the lies, good looks and games could not stop Justice.  Atkins went to prison and died in prison. Towards the end, even as she was dying, she as not let out. In the end, beginning Monday, the wheels of justice will lead Knox back to prison for at least 30 years and with all the games she has played, likely life.

There are a lot of other parallels including the press attention, horrendous hygiene and the idiots who believed in the killer's innocence.  But the fact is both Susan Atkins and now Amanda Knox got what is coming to them.

Orca Wrote a Book

Orca wrote a book, or at least an essay for one.  Or had Robin Olsen write it for her with her elbows.

I got a link from a reader who may or may not have gotten it from the inbred Manson site, to give due credit.

The book is called SHARON TATE: Recollection.

In it will be such recollections as-

- Cartwheeling nude on Sharon's front lawn for the cameras
- Hanging out and laughing with the major drug dealer who was the first suspect in her sister's murder
- Asking Sharon if the baby is a girl can she please name it Debra in her honor
- Yelling at her dad when he finds compromising pictures of her in a drawer that after he's dead he'll   be sorry, she'll make sure he never finds eternal peace
- Telling Jay the stylist she hears he gives good head
- Asking Roman if he will marry her when he is done with her sister
- Wondering at the funeral why Sharon always gets all the attention
- Another new version of how she learned about the murders, this time from a Ouija Board
- Complaining that she didn't get to go to the house on August 9, even if she wasn't invited

Okay I keed, I keed. 

Although I fucking promise you there will be no mention of the fact that she was disinherited by her father and doesn't own ANY PART of her sister's estate.

The book description indicates "And the book is filled with hundreds of rare and unpublished photos of Sharon Tate taken by the likes of Milton Greene, Richard Avedon, Bert Stern, Norman Parkinson, Philippe Halsman, John Engstead, and more."  Hundreds of photos means hundreds of legal clearances.  That's expensive and time consuming and way above the pay grade of a forcibly retired mail lady.  I hope all those photos get cleared.  After all the trouble she caused Statman's book you really wouldn't want to see her get trouble in return.  Of course you wouldn't.

Now, the publisher is called RUNNING PRESS.  If you go to their website there is no listing of this exciting and upcoming book.  Odd. 

But there is a book subtitled- Your Guide to Looking Fabulous at Any Age

Maybe they can send Orca a comp copy?

Jive Talking

Can You Tell the Difference Between Charles Manson's Biography and the Bee Gees'?

By Alan Scherstuhl Thu., Jul. 25 2013 at 9:00 AM

They all got dressed up for picture day!

Plump new biographies of two different charismatic cult leaders whose Beatles obsessions combined to kill the '60s dead: murderin' Family man Charles Manson, and falsettoin' man-family the Bee Gees! Unfortunately, the dust jackets got mixed up, and now we can't tell which book is which. Can you? Below are thirteen actual passages pulled from David N. Meyer's The Bee Gees: The Biography or Jeff Gunn's Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson. Can you tell which is which?
See also: 30 Facts About Ke$ha Gleaned From Her New Book My Crazy Beautiful Life
To get you started, here's a sample of the differences between the books:

When asked what the lyrics to "More Than a Woman" were about, Robin said, in one of his classic retorts, "Three tits, two vaginas." (The Bee Gees: The Biography)

Charlie's most notorious outburst aired in 1988, when he snarled to TV interviewer Geraldo Rivera that "I'm going to chop up some more of you motherfuckers .... I'm going to pile you up to the sky." (Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson)

Got it? Then let's go!
Note: Sometimes, I've removed a proper name, just to make it more challenging. And at other times I've added a proper noun, in brackets, to make these funnier.

1. The bottom line, the only factor that ultimately mattered, was whether someone could sell enough records or not. Genius on the artist's part, whether genuine or self-perceived, didn't matter a damn.

2. Parts for dune buggy renovations were expensive.

3. While such behavior used to be regarded as pathological, current thinking suggests that the urge to light things up and burn them down is a natural aspect of childhood development. In other children, however, this urge is often subject to parental restraint.

4. Time passes differently when one is married to a Druid priestess.

5. He expected that the song would be recorded by the Beach Boys exactly as he had written it, or at least that his lyrics would remain intact. [Dennis] Wilson let him believe it.

6. ____ explained that the Beatles were notifying the world of what was about to happen--a terrible race war where blacks slaughtered most whites, and the only survivors would take refuge in a bottomless desert pit.

7. "Kids don't know the Beatles' Sgt. Pepper," _____ told Playboy, though it might have been the speed doing the talking. "And when those who do see our film and hear us doing it, that will be the version they relate to and remember. you see, there is no such thing as the Beatles. They don't exist as a band and never performed Sgt. Pepper live."

8. [He] ... moved into an eighty-foot houseboat that had belonged to a recently deceased Miami drug lord. It featured a round bed with a mirrored ceiling overhead. The former owner had been shot to death in that mirrored room, and there was a grand piano in the main lounge.

9. Was his shaky self-worth diminished further when he--a talented, charismatic amateur--came face to face with genius and the methods genius demands?

10. The constant danger for gurus is that they must keep producing new wonders for their followers. They can't let the act get stale or seem to be wrong about something, or, worst of all, to fail publicly.

11. But no matter how civilized she pretends to be, it's clear that if you ever got [Victoria] Principal into the backseat after a game, she would learn you a thing or two.

12. If word spread that Doris Day was broke, producers would offer her lowball salaries on the belief that she'd have to take them because she desperately needed the money. Worse, her public image was that of a sunny-spirited good girl; fans, the ones who bought the movie tickets and the records, might lose interest when they learned her image wasn't all that accurate.

13. In cultures where cannibalism carries religious or spiritual overtones--as opposed to its occasional appearance when folks just get really, really hungry--the act of consuming your dead enemy or beloved grandpa supposedly transfers to the the diner the power, soul, and positive attributes of the eaten."

The answers are after this spoiler space, brought to you by Dynamite magazine.

The actual last line of the cover story in that issue: "So who's the real winner? You are--the listeners."


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Answers:
1.

The bottom line, the only factor that ultimately mattered, was whether someone could sell enough records or not. Genius on the artist's part, whether genuine or self-perceived, didn't matter a damn.

Biography: Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson
2.

Parts for dune buggy renovations were expensive.

Biography: Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson
3.

While such behavior used to be regarded as pathological, current thinking suggests that the urge to light things up and burn them down is a natural aspect of childhood development. In other children, however, this urge is often subject to parental restraint.

Biography: The Bee Gees: The Biography
4.

Time passes differently when one is married to a Druid priestess.

Biography: The Bee Gees: The Biography
5.

He expected that the song would be recorded by the Beach Boys exactly as he had written it, or at least that his lyrics would remain intact. [Dennis] Wilson let him believe it.

Biography: Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson
6.

____ explained that the Beatles were notifying the world of what was about to happen--a terrible race war where blacks slaughtered most whites, and the only survivors would take refuge in a bottomless desert pit.

Biography: Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson
7.

"Kids don't know the Beatles' Sgt. Pepper," _____ told Playboy, though it might have been the speed doing the talking. "And when those who do see our film and hear us doing it, that will be the version they relate to and remember. you see, there is no such thing as the Beatles. They don't exist as a band and never performed Sgt. Pepper live."

Biography: The Bee Gees: The Biography
8.

[He] ... moved into an eighty-foot houseboat that had belonged to a recently deceased Miami drug lord. It featured a round bed with a mirrored ceiling overhead. The former owner had been shot to death in that mirrored room, and there was a grand piano in the main lounge.

Biography: The Bee Gees: The Biography
9.

Was his shaky self-worth diminished further when he--a talented, charismatic amateur--came face to face with genius and the methods genius demands?

Biography: The Bee Gees: The Biography
10.

The constant danger for gurus is that they must keep producing new wonders for their followers. They can't let the act get stale or seem to be wrong about something, or, worst of all, to fail publicly.

Biography: Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson
11.

But no matter how civilized she pretends to be, it's clear that if you ever got [Victoria] Principal into the backseat after a game, she would learn you a thing or two.

Biography: The Bee Gees: The Biography
12.

If word spread that Doris Day was broke, producers would offer her lowball salaries on the belief that she'd have to take them because she desperately needed the money. Worse, her public image was that of a sunny-spirited good girl; fans, the ones who bought the movie tickets and the records, might lose interest when they learned her image wasn't all that accurate.

Biography: Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson
13.

In cultures where cannibalism carries religious or spiritual overtones--as opposed to its occasional appearance when folks just get really, really hungry--the act of consuming your dead enemy or beloved grandpa supposedly transfers to the the diner the power, soul, and positive attributes of the eaten."

Biography: The Bee Gees: The Biography

MANSON by Jeff Guinn ( A Book Report)

Dear Class,

My friend Amanda provided me with the galleys of MANSON: The Life and Times of Charles Manson by Jeff Guinn.  It is the latest book on the subject, and will require me to get another shelf to put it on.  I wouldn't mind that if it were worth it, but sadly it is not.

I suppose I should explain why the book utterly fails.  It fails because from the cover and the title and the introductory letter that came with it the book is supposed to be about Charlie- how a five foot two inch loser became the most dangerous man in America.  It is supposed to be Charlie's biography- that is the clear intent.  Except, not so much.

For five Chapters we get some of that.  Poor Charlie in school, in reform school, in prison.  Poor Charlie and his spousal abuse.  Poor Charlie the fucking idiot.  And then

on Page 77 Gunn commences literally four hundred pages of just rewriting.  He takes the BUG novel, the Sandy book, the Sanders book and he shakes it all up and says, "Yummy, you try it."

Any reader of this blog will find nothing new and interesting in the book.  I am overlooking the many typos and outright errors (Linda took the stand and lied to free Charlie?) because I assume the final hardcover will fix them.   And I am hoping that maybe the final book will have some nice pictures.  The back cover has a Charlie wedding photo that no one has seen before.

But ultimately all this is is a regurgitation of what we have seen before.  Now you may ask, "What do you expect from a book at this point".  And if you have to ask that, don't write the book.

This thing ships next week from Amazon, and will be in the remainder bins in six months.

If Tom O'Neill publishes his twelve year in the making book maybe he can find some original information.

In the meantime, there's nothing here.

Sincerely,

Col

FORTY FOUR YEARS IS A LIFETIME AGO

On this day two years ago The Col received some awful news.  It indicated a battle ahead, a battle that would be hard and fraught with peril.  Now, after much effort and stress. that battle appears won.  Also on this day forty four years ago five persons, the "Beautiful People" were slaughtered by some drugged out losers.  We continue to search for the reason why this happened.

It is almost unbelievable that the short, ex-con nothing that was convicted of these murders without being present at them is still with us, still in jail.  Manson has done more time than anyone can imagine.  He's not sorry for what happened, and revels in the notoriety.

I don't think any of the killers expected society to change the way it did.  Hell, even the mailman stalking prosecutor expected most of the killers released two decades ago.  The true believers fall by the wayside.  Sandy doesn't have much to say these days. Squeaky hasn't given a single interview.

By some miracle of fate, the crimes aren't called the "Tex Watson Slayings" like they should be.  Tex is still in prison, still trying to convince people he's sorry and talking to Jesus.  Sadie has gone off to her resting place, having been told by Tex's God "Look, Bitch I got no mercy for you."  Katie has accepted her internment.  Leslie sits perplexed, believing that she should have been out long ago.

Bobby and Bruce must be the most frustrated.  By every single fiber of the law they should have been out and about ages ago.  It must be so insanely upsetting to realize they never will be.

Today is August 9, 2013.  Somewhere Voytek's family, Sebring's relatives, even Sharon's sister, somewhere cutting through the circus that this all became and to a large extent remains, somewhere they sit and weep this day, if only for a second, for the horrible deaths, for what was and what should have been.

There have been far worse killings since those committed by Tex Watson and his girl friends.  Hell, there have been far worse killings in the world since last week.  But there has never been a perfect storm of famous people slaughtered unexpectedly in their own homes by killers who weren't even sure why they were doing it, coupled with a narcissistic prosecutor willing to invent a tapestry of fictional motives to inflate his own legend.

We continue to seek the truth behind these murders.  It is, as the TV Show used to say, out there.

Meanwhile we reflect today on what actually happened and the loss.  Would the Abigail Folger foundation be the United States' number one charitable institution?  Would Voytek be a famous filmmaker, helped by his pal Roman?  How many children would Sharon have raised?  Would we all be going off to Sebring's national chain of Stylists for men?

Today is August 9.  If you are a true student of the case like I know you are, take 30 seconds and reflect on what that moment must have been like, when four home invaders showed up at Cielo to kill the occupants without mercy.  Then hug someone you love.  And have a nice day.

Much Ado About Nothing

• LAPD can have Manson-related tapes, judge rules

  Manson follower Charles 'Tex' Watson waived attorney-client privilege over the decades-old taped conversations with his lawyer when he allowed them to be sold to a writer, judge rules.

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By Richard Winton, Los Angeles Times

March 26, 2013, 10:01 p.m.

A federal judge has ruled that the Los Angeles Police Department can have 40-year-old taped conversations between one of Charles Manson's most fervent followers and his late attorney to see if they can help solve more murders.
U.S. District Court Judge Richard A. Schell ruled Sunday that Charles "Tex" Watson waived his right to attorney-client privilege when he allowed the lawyer to sell the tapes to an author who wrote a book about Watson, who was convicted of several murders.
LAPD robbery-homicide detectives are seeking the tapes because they believe that during the several hours of conversations, Watson "may have discussed additional unsolved murders committed by followers of Charles Manson."
Investigators believe the so-called Manson family may have been responsible for more than the nine murders they were convicted of four decades ago. Over the years, everyone from Manson himself to his prosecutors have said his followers were connected to more killings.
The judge's ruling affirms a bankruptcy judge's decision last year that the LAPD can have the tapes of Watson and attorney Bill Boyd, who died in 2009. The tapes were found when Boyd's old law firm filed for bankruptcy. Watson, however, appealed that ruling, claiming they were privileged.
Schell, however, said Watson's decision to sell the tapes to Chaplain Ray, Watson's coauthor of the 1978 book "Will You Die for Me? The Man Who Killed for Charles Manson Tells His Own Story" waived his attorney-client privilege. The judge also noted that Watson was by his own motion willing to allow police to hear the tapes but not take them.
LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith said the LAPD will send detectives to Texas to pick up the tapes once Watson's 30 days to appeal the decision expire.
"We are looking forward to getting these tapes and thoroughly analyzing their content," he said. "We owe it to the victims and their families to ensure every facet of the case is thoroughly and completely investigated."

Watson has denied the tapes will reveal any additional killings. He is serving a life sentence for killing actress Sharon Tate and four others.
Manson prosecutor Stephen Kay said Manson bragged about additional murders. Over the years, questions have persisted about a man's apparent suicide in England, the drowning of an attorney in Ventura County and whether bodies are buried at the California ranches the cult called home.
The murders for which the Manson family were convicted all occurred in the summer of 1969. In late July, Gary Hinman, 34, a musician, was stabbed to death. About a week later in early August, four Manson followers — Watson, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel and Linda Kasabian — made their way to the Benedict Canyon estate rented by Tate and her husband, director Roman Polanski. There they killed Tate, 26; Steven Parent, 18; Jay Sebring, 35; Voytek Frykowski, 32; and coffee heiress Abigail Folger, 25.
Later, Manson himself entered the Los Feliz home of Leno LaBianca, 44, owner of a small supermarket chain, and his 38-year-old wife, Rosemary, and tied them up. He left them to die at the hands of Watson, Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten, who wielded knives and forks from the LaBianca kitchen. Spahn Ranch hand Donald "Shorty" Shea was killed later and his body concealed on the ranch for years.
Schell's ruling came as a follower of Manson, Craig Carlisle Hammond, was arrested Sunday on suspicion of trying to smuggle a cellphone into Corcoran State Prison for the 78-year-old Manson, who has been caught twice before with a cellphone. Hammond was arrested on three charges and faces a court date next month.

Gray Wolf

 

Charles Manson follower allegedly tried to smuggle phone to killer

By Richard Winton

March 26, 2013, 9:22 a.m.

A follower of Charles Manson has been arrested for allegedly trying to smuggle a cellphone to the cult leader at Corcoran State Prison
Craig Carlisle Hammond, 63, was arrested Sunday on charges of possession of an illegal communication device, attempting to bring a cellphone into a prison and conspiracy, said Terry Thornton, a California Department of Corrections and Rehabiltation spokeswoman.
Hammond, a retiree, was searched and subsequently arrested at 3:35 p.m. and taken to a King County Jail, where he was released four hours later on $30,000. He is due in court next month.

Thornton said the device was a wrist watch cellphone and was discovered by guards after Hammond entered an area where he possession of such devices is prohibited.
Hammond, who goes by the name Gray Wolf given to him by Manson, is a regular visitor to Manson, the mastermind of the one the most notorious killing sprees in U.S. history -- the Tate-Bianca murders in Los Angeles.
Manson has been caught with a cellphone in his cell twice. Manson called people in California, New Jersey and Florida with an LG flip phone found under his prison bunk in March 2009. For the offense, 30 days were  added to his sentence. The cult leader was again found with a cellphone in his cell Jan. 6, 2011.

That fall, Gov. Jerry Brown signed a Senate bill that makes it a misdemeanor to possess an unauthorized cellphone in prison or to try to take one into a prison. Violators face up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $5,000.
The proliferation of cellphones in prisons is a significant public safety concern, officials say. Inmates have run street gangs from behind bars, intimidated witnesses and orchestrated assaults on guards, they said. In 2011, 15,000 cellphones were found inside prisons.
Manson, 78, is technically eligible for parole but will almost certainly die in prison for ordering the ritualistic murders of Sharon Tate and six other people in Los Angeles in the summer of 1969.
Manson sees few visitors, but Hammond is among his regulars. Hammond controls a copyright on Manson's music and is a self-described follower of the the inmate.
A Manson website maintained by followers and believers of Manson's ATWA group --an acronym for Air, Trees, Water, Animals -- reported that Gray Wolf was detained at Level 4 visitation entrance. According to the website, Manson was meeting with another friend when Gray Wolf was detained by guards. Manson and the two visitors were subsequently searched and the two visitors also consented to their vehicles being searched. Gray Wolf was then taken into custody and asked for a lawyer, according to the website.

Orca Spews

The Official Inbred Blog reminds us this week of Orca Tate by re-posting an interview done with Marine Life.

In the interview Orca bleats-

"DT:   My webmaster runs facebook for me.  I haven’t done it myself.  I’m scared due to the fact that I get at least four death threats a year.  I don’t want to taint anything to do with Sharon with this negativity.  Now these threats have been around whether I’m on facebook or not.  They have always managed to find their way to me.  Also, I have many crazy stalkers and imposters and people who try to say I’m not a member of my own family.  It’s all absolutely absurd.  It all hurts my feelings."

So now, the questions-

1- Has anyone actually threatened Orca with death?   I mean why bother, it would be like threatening a crazy cat lady.  I don't believe this has EVER happened much less "at least four times a year."

2- Heh heh she said "Taint".

3- Has anyone ever stalked Orca?  Why?  Ambergris?

4- Orca, THE COL, ME, ME ME ME I say you were disowned by your family.  I say it. I say you were disinherited, you own no part of Sharon Tate, you torture your father by withholding his final resting place.  I say it.  The WILL says it.  Alisa Statman says it.  Patti's kids say it.  But we are all wrong.  Well, Orca, it should be EASY.  Prove it!  Answer the questions.  I will still pay for the lie detector test.

Otherwise, so much for your hurt feelings.

Immediate Family Only

Hi there.  The Col is back from an hour reading the inbred LS8 blog and listening to them argue about why Bruce Davis should have been released.  Did you know you could actually feel your brain cells whither and die while reading that blog?  The Col still encourages every blog out there, the more the merrier.  But when you name yourself and your blog after a redneck Southern Rock band which supported the Confederate flag, surely it isn't because you want to do serious research about TLB!?  Of course not.

This seems to be the blog where the loons go to fly.  Mr. Poirot has a wide berth over there if you know what I'm saying.  I just read a bunch of their posts and comments about Bruce Davis.  They seem to be trying to insult the governor for not freeing him for all sorts of reasons.  Of course there is one good reason not to free him-

He KILLED somebody!

So we aren't here to support Bruce.  I have told you that he is not getting out.  Punk is gonna die in prison.  His wife figured that out, what haven't the inbreds?

The Col is much more interested in Debra Tate (Orca) and Barbara Hoyt (Orcette).  See Bruce and the girls can lie their asses off at every hearing and they do.  But they are where they belong.  Debra and Barbara lie their asses off in every hearing and pretend they don't.  They also contribute to the confusion about the case and that the Col does not abide.

So the Col got a very well researched email from a member of the research crew who cares about the truth.  Guess who's been lying to the Parole Board?  You're gonna be shocked!


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Hi Colonel!

I am so incensed that Debra Tate and Barbara Hoyt were allowed to represent Gary Hinman's family at Bruce's parole hearing that I decided to write to Davis' attorney and tell him what I knew about Gary's family.  See the email I sent him below.  He wrote back that because the Governor did not overrule the parole board on anything to do with Tate and Hoyt's being at the hearing it would not be grounds for an appeal.  But he was very interested in what I sent him.  He does not like Tate and Hoyt any more than you or I like them.  He said that he would certainly use the info for the next hearing in mid 2014 particularly if the DA's office trots those two out again.

Beckman and I exchanged a couple of emails and then asked me what I knew about Tate and Hoyt, if I could dig up anything on them.  I was able to find some stuff on Hoyt, she has had numerous civil cases against her in Idaho where she lives.  They are all because she owed money she didn't pay, had her wages garnished etc.  She's a huge deadbeat.

I will send you what I found on Hoyt in another email.

What doubly pisses me off is that the LA DA's office is the instigator in having Tate and Hoyt at that hearing.  They knew damn well how Gary's sister felt about things!

Name Redacted

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From: NameRedacted
To: Lawyer who still Uses Aol for emails
Subject: Bruce Davis/ Gary Hinman Relatives
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:11:12 -0800

Mr. Beckman

I am writing you in regards to the victim witness situation for Bruce Davis's last parole hearing. There were two people who spoke on behalf of the Hinman family, one of those persons was Debra Tate who was supposedly there for a first cousin of Gary Hinman.  The reason it was claimed for a cousin submitting a statement was that no one else was alive. This is simply not true!  Both of Gary Hinman's sisters are still alive.

I am attaching a number of things to support this fact.  First is Robert Hinman's, Gary's father, obituary naming his survivors. (the first two daughters in his obituary are Gary's sisters, the second two daughters are Robert's step daughters, his second wife's children from a previous marriage. Gary's mother died a few months after he did, Robert remarried after that.)

Second and third attachments are Been Verified reports on both of the sisters. I have done social security death index searches on both women and neither of them are listed as having died.  Barbara Jean Hinman apparently has some competency issues as I found a law case where this was discussed.  It was a case about an easement issue involving sister Carole as well.

http://co.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19890706_0040310.CO.htm/qx

I also found something regarding Carole Hinman Romberg and her feelings on testifying at a parole hearing for Bobby Beausoleil.  She had moved on and did not wish to be involved any longer, according to her daughter who answered the request from the LA County DA's office informing Carole of her right to speak at the hearing.  I'm pretty sure you would be able figure out which of Carole's daughters answered the request from the DA's office from the pdf with Carole's info.  The parole hearing of Beausoleil's is at this link and is on page 86 of the document.  It is Beausoleil's 2010 hearing if the link does not work.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:STuHfjpmNREJ:www.cielodrive.com/transcripts/BobbyBeausoleil2010Parole.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjIbD891_X1O22-W1Tue2D7K5qjHFmcEVEtv73Wduaqn1XVBLmWqj1zjnQliYHUAaeS4hYTC4SLwOWm_fyhCACY091YakLlZmJ_-m7qOzb4GTXFqmNEX4F92LF1ZlWCXcXD1SGu&sig=AHIEtbR2j6Qa4Zoiab61A87CFygkWwjdfQ

I also have some information about some of Gary Hinman's first cousins on his mothers side of the family.  None of the first cousins names match the names of the people being represented by Debra Tate and the other person.  This is an obituary for Gary's aunt.

http://www.postindependent.com/article/20021011/OBITUARIES/210100028


Gary's father had one sister, Margaret Elizabeth Hinman, her married name was Chapman.  She was born in 1903 in Colorado and died in 1991 in California, where she had lived for decades.  Below are the death index records for her.  I believe her husband's first name was Hilton, although I am not entirely certain of that.  I did find a death record for a Hilton Chapman who was from Colorado and died in California in 1963.  Margaret Hinman Chapman got her social security number in 1963 in California, so that kind of fits. 


I was able to locate a 1940 census record for Margaret and Hilton Chapman.  They lived Colorado in that census.  There were no children listed on that census report.  If the person claiming to be a first cousin named Kay Martley was Margaret's daughter she should have been on that census as Kay Martley is 75 years old.  See fourth attachment.

I am not a forensic genaologist so can not guarantee total accuracy of all this information but I am experienced with doing this type of research.  I would suggest that you have someone else blindly try to replicate what I have learned for verification.  There should be grounds for an appeal I would think.

Respectfully

Name Redacted
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Therein follows much information about legal claims against Barbara Hoyt (Clayborn) who does appear to have problems paying her bills.  Too bad the book with Nellie/Molesto never panned out!

Anyway, The DA needs to address this.  Are these two attention seeking, burger inhaling, father ashes hoarding beached  whales lying to the government?  Since when do the wishes of a first cousin trump the wishes of a sister?

California, Death Index, 1940-1997 about Margaret Elizabeth Chapman

Name:	Margaret Elizabeth Chapman [Margaret Elizabeth Hinman]
Social Security #:	568720473
Gender:	Female
Birth Date:	10 Sep 1903
Birth Place:	Colorado
Death Date:	31 May 1991
Death Place:	Alameda
Mother's Maiden Name:	Richards
Father's Surname:	Hinman Social Security Death Index about Margaret E. Chapman Name: Margaret E. Chapman SSN: 568-72-0473 Last Residence: 94536  Fremont, Alameda, California, United States of America Born: 10 Sep 1903 Died: 15 May 1991 State (Year) SSN issued: California (1963)

BUG Swatting

We heard not too long ago on TMZ of all places that the BUG was very sick.  Now Sadie was sick and still breathed oxygen I could have used for almost three years before she rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible.  So for all I know the BUG will outlast the COL and then some. We all saw Sandy Hook and know first hand there is no justice in this world.

Now I don't expect that the solution we seek will magically appear a day, a week or even a year (cue FRIENDS music) after the old mistress puncher is morte.  But I wonder.  The fiction was maintained so well all these years.  The mysterious Tom O'Neill of the unseen opus told me over a decade ago he had found the true motive, but we ain't seen nothing from him except hearsay lawyer tapes leaked to FOXYCUDA!  I was sure that one more martini with Aaron Stovitz would have been the breakthrough but then he went and passed on me.  The facts remain- in a world where if two people know a secret then that secret is kaput, a true, realistic version of why the TLB murders happened remains the Holy Grail.

I am not saying that I think people have been mum because they are afraid that a milkman stalking, Latin music listening Lawyer might sue them for shits and giggles. Wait, yes I am.  Clearly many of the participants were out of their minds high and thought after the fact that yeah, it was a race war thing, that's the ticket.  But somebody has to know the answer.  Bryn maybe? Tex? Bruce?  Some random fucker knows and isn't talking.  That has to be the case or I'll cry.

I am not wish the BUG to die. I don't have that power.  But yeah, when he does I do wonder what it will mean for the truth.

COL Called It

Gov. Brown blocks parole of Manson family follower Bruce Davis Brown is the second governor to go against a parole board's decision to free the convicted killer, who is now 70. Davis' lawyer said he will probably appeal.

Bruce Davis Bruce Davis has served more than 40 years for two murders connected to the Manson family. (California Department of Corrections / January 29, 2013)  Manson family member By Paige St. John, Los Angeles Times March 1, 2013, 10:08 p.m. SACRAMENTO — Gov. Jerry Brown on Friday blocked parole for Bruce Davis, a former follower of notorious killer Charles Manson. Brown said in his written decision he did not believe Davis, who is in prison for taking part in two Manson family murders, "was just a reluctant follower who passively went along with the violence." "Until Davis can acknowledge and explain why he actively championed the family's interests and shed more light on the nature of his involvement," Brown went on, "I am not prepared to release him." FOR THE RECORD: An earlier version of this article said Bruce Davis was convicted for his role in the killing of aspiring musician George Hinman. The victim's name was Gary Hinman. This is the second time Davis has been granted parole and then had it overturned by a governor. Arnold Schwarzenegger in 2010 cited similar reasons for keeping the convicted murderer imprisoned. A state appeals court ultimately upheld that decision. Davis' lawyer, Michael Beckman, said Friday that he will probably appeal again. Davis is eligible for another parole hearing as soon as October. Beckman said Brown's decision was political and his stated rationale for continuing to keep Davis, now 70, behind bars would be "laughable if the consequences for my client weren't so devastating." Davis told a parole board in October 2012 that he had been accepted into two transitional programs in Los Angeles, including one that specializes in helping paroled murderers adjust. He said that if freed, contending with negative publicity would be likely to pose one of his biggest challenges. Parole hearing transcripts show that over the years, Davis gave conflicting accounts of his role in the murders he was convicted of and minimized his involvement in the Manson group. They also show that Davis has used the past four decades to earn a doctoral degree in religion, graduating summa cum laude, and completed vocational training in drafting and welding. He participated in therapy and self-help programs, married and fathered a child. Davis, 26 at the time of the murders, was convicted in 1972 for taking part in the killings of aspiring musician Gary Hinman and ranch hand Donald "Shorty" Shea, who also worked as a Hollywood stuntman. Details of Shea's killing, which had always remained murky, were further confused by Davis' recent assertion that it took place on a day and at a location that differed from prosecutors' claims. Another Manson family member, Steve "Clem" Grogan, was convicted along with Manson and Davis of killing Shea. In 1985, Grogan became the only Manson family member convicted of murder to win parole, after directing law enforcement to Shea's body.

Foxycuda!

The Col's Thoughts--

-- Orcette says she was poisoned.  I don't know that LSD poisons you, it fucks with your mind.  I do know that she wanted that tasty tasty burger Ouisch gave her real bad.  Still does.

-- I am beginning to wonder what to do with Tom O'Neill, a guy I knew who is a real shit stirrer.  A few years ago he was spreading some cockamammie story about Spahn Ranch Kung Fu classes.  He first told me about his book 12 years ago! That's some coitus interruptus.  That's his voice on the tapes.  He obviously phoned this guy up and got him to talk.  As to why the hell he released this now when the book doesn't appear imminent, that's anyone's guess.

-- Orca has no shame.  She really doesn't.

-- If the statute of limitations on murder is non-existent, where is the arrest for Adam Gabriel for the LaBianca murders?

-- This disbarred attorney will let you know a secret- this entire farce is a non starter.  Watson saying Manson killed other people on a tape decades ago is hearsay.  It is not evidence.  It COULD lead to the police opening up another investigation.  That costs money they don't have.  Will they do it to convict somebody in jail for life.  No.

--Notice Orcette ranting about the motive?  Methinks she doth protest too much.  She wants it to be true even when she knows it isn't.

-- Can you take anything here seriously?  I mean they gave it to a plain looking woman with the handle "Foxycuda" (Foxy cooter?).

Wake me when Orca goes back to sea and this sideshow is over.

When It Makes It Into the Gossip Columns...

Spokesperson for the dead?  Kind of works since she is of the Walking Dead!

Could Charles Manson Have Committed More Murders?

Posted on Feb 5, 2013 @ 7:31AM | By Radar Staff

Charles Manson might have been responsible for a number of previously-unaccounted-for murders, according to officials seeking access to an audiotape containing an interview between Manson Family member Charles “Tex” Watson and his late attorney, Bill Boyd.
Boyd, who died in 2009, said his client Watson told him that the infamous cult leader was responsible for more deaths than the law had caught onto.

“I was impressed, he was extremely candid and told me about a bunch of other people Manson had killed,” Boyd said of Watson in an interview with an author writing about Manson.
Boyd said Watson did not implicate himself in the killings in the recorded interviews, which span more than 20 hours. Los Angeles police are seeking to retrieve the tapes as evidence out of a Texas bankruptcy court, Fox reported.

Barbara Hoyt, who spent a year in the Manson Family before defecting, said she would not be surprised if the family was responsible for more killings.
The issue is a hot one with former Manson protégé Bruce Davis OK’ed for parole by the state’s Board of Parole Hearings in October after more than four decades in custody, and 27 failed parole attempts.

Now, Gov. Jerry Brown has a 30-day deadline to affirm, decline, modify or decline to review the parole board’s controversial decision.
Debra Tate, sister of actress Sharon Tate — who was famously killed August 6, 1969 with four others at her Hollywood Hills home by Manson and his followers — said she’s hoping to be the unofficial spokesperson for the dead.
“This is an ugliness that spans generations,” she told Fox, while Hoyt called the parole-approved Davis “a cold blooded murderer.”

Doggie Smells Death Everywhere

TLB scholars remember Orca Tate screaming in the desert with her panties in a bunch, on the news, telling the world that there were bodies everywhere buried up at Barker Ranch. If only the authorities would spend all their money on digging up at the ranch, the dozens of dead slippies could be exhumed and reunited with their kinfolk and their killers brought to justice.  Hey have you seen this trunk of clothes that my sister Sharon used to wear?  I sometimes put on a frilly item and walk across the lawn to feel close to her....

Sorry.  When Orca appears I tend to lose track of reality.

Anyway, the guy who always showed up there telling us there were bodies in them thar hills was retired LAPD officer Paul Dostie and his magic cadaver smelling dogs.  Now of course, he's wrong.  Only people who ever believed that noise were the pedophile piece of shit Larry Melton and the child molesting piece of shit Bill Nelson. (Does touching undeveloped genitals make you attuned to the scent of the dead? Hmmm.)

Dostie would walk up to the camera with Spot or Rufus and say  " My guess is there are at least 6.4 bodies buried within a fifty mile radius of here."  Orca would cry " Think about the children" and the local news would have a 2 minute story to fill out the show.

Dostie is old and wants people to pay attention to him.

I never thought about him or gave two shits.  These people were not mass murderers.  Everyone they killed they killed for a reason.  They were gangsters.

Dostie was obviously an attention whore.  I just had to wait for the proof.

So, in brief-

George Hodel is a deluded, sad old man who has written multiple books in which he believes his father killed the Black Dahlia, committed ten other famous murders in LA, was the Lipstick Killer in Chicago, probably was the Zodiac and took Tuttu Frutti flavor off the menu at Baskin Robbins.  When he wrote the first book, BLACK DAHLIA ANUS, Stephen Kay gave him a quote full of confidence.  So there goes his research street cred.



So anyway click on this shit...

It clearly debunks THIS STORY.

View more videos at: http://nbclosangeles.com.


 

So we have Buster Hymen the magical death smelling three legged dog and we have Dostie helping a lunatic prove that his dad murdered half of the United States.

Next time Dostie shows up can we all just ignore him so he goes away?

Sound City

Sundance: Charles Manson “Considered” For ‘Sound City’ Documentary, Says Dave Grohl

By DOMINIC PATTEN | Tuesday January 22, 2013 @ 11:12am PSTTags: Charles Manson, Dave Grohl, Sound City, Sundance Film Festival

Dave Grohl announced today at the Sundance Film Festival that he almost put Charles Manson in his Sound City documentary. “Manson recorded at Sound City and at one point we considered talking to him about music because how f***ing insane would that be,” said first time director Grohl Tuesday. “But we decided not to because we didn’t want it to take over the beautiful message of the movie but we considered it.” The murderous cult leader recorded some demos in the late Sixties at the famed San Fernando Valley recording studio that’s the subject of the Foo Fighters’ frontman’s directorial debut. Found guilty of the murder of Sharon Tate and others in 1970, Manson has been in prison ever since. He has repeatedly been denied parole. “He was a musician before he got busted. He was friends with Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys and Dennis Wilson said ‘here go record some demos, I’ll pay for it, there’s this place called Sound City,” Grohl explained. A number of bands have covered Manson’s songs over the years. As the Sound City documentary shows, former band Nirvana also recorded at Sound City, as did Guns’N’Roses, Rick Springfield, Metallica, Fleetwood Mac, Cheap Trick, Neil Young, the Red Hot Chili Peppers and many more.  A star studded Sound City concert in Park City followed the film’s premiere on January 18. Even before the Festival even began, Gravitas Ventures acquired worldwide VOD to Sound City. Grohl was appearing this morning with Prince Avalanche director David Gordon Green at Sundance’s Cinema Café

BUGGY BUG

Over at EvilLiz they are linking to THE VINCENT BUGLIOSI STORY by George Denny. It is also at Cat's site.  I am fairly certain that this thing originated with the Col.  I bought several years back a big trove of Trial Transcripts and stuff like that.  I had a relative, NYPD, pick it up and ship it to me.  That was crazy because he found a plugged gun in the boxes!  I still wonder what that was about.

Anyway, we analyzed some of the transcripts and I was faced with a dilemma.  You see, BUG is still a lawyer and if this shit was made up, I really didn't need a lawsuit.  So I tried to get Denny's permission and verification but it turned out he was dead.  So I dug up the LA Times articles and we started running those.  This was back when I was breaking news like this fairly regularly and the fact that BUG was a milkman stalker and girlfriend beater was pretty explosive.

All that stuff is in storage now but Matt has inspired me to get it scanned and prepared for upload, so I will.

Why don't I break more stories like this?  Well because I just don't care enough these days.  I desperately seek the motive, like all of you.  But I think it may die with Charlie.

Have any of you seen this?  A special site all set up to walk you through BUG's lies and deceit?  I guess no one else is worried about his lawsuit potential.

He Wasn't Interesting Enough For His Own Movie

Sundance: James Franco Sets Pic On 60s Hollywood Hair Master Jay Sebring

By MIKE FLEMING JR | Thursday January 17, 2013 @ 3:12pm PSTTags: Beautiful People, James Franco, Jay Sebring, Sundance Film Festival

EXCLUSIVE: James Franco, bound for Sundance to promote several projects, has just set another. He will star in and direct Beautiful People, a bio-pic of charismatic playboy and visionary Jay Sebring, the jet-setting hairstylist to the stars in the 1960s. The screenplay, written by Lauren Wild, was brought to Franco by David Bortolucci of Jane and Sheppard Productions, who will be producing with Julie Yorn of LBI Entertainment. Franco will also produce, along with his RabbitBandini Productions partners Miles Levy and Vince Jolivette.
The film charts the rise of Sebring as a self-created men’s grooming pioneer, as he climbed the social ladder in Hollywood during the 60s. There is also a focus on his romantic relationship with the beautiful young actress Sharon Tate.
Franco hits Park City for Interior. Leather Bar, which he co-directed, the fetish docu Kink he produced, and Lovelace (in which he costars). The actor, who’ll next be seen in Sam Raimi’s Oz: The Great And Powerful and Harmony Korine’s Spring Breakers, continues to be impossible to typecast. But he’s a spitting image of the tress-master Sebring. Franco recently directed film adaptations of William Faulkner’s As I Lay Dying and Cormac McCarthy’s Child Of God. He is repped by CAA, James Levy Management and attorney Warren Dern. Paradigm reps Wild

It's been a while since Debra Tate said she was going to get legal on Alisa Statman because of the wonderful tribute book RESTLESS SOULS.

It hasn't happened.

I also offered to pay for a lie detector test if Debra would sit for it.

It hasn't happened.

In other news, pigs still can't fly!

St. StuffandNonsense

There seems to be a witch hunt a brewing over at evilliz.  Unknown user Austin Ann has posted a supposed report from Bobby Beausoleil's jail file that implies that Bobby and his now deceased wife were running not only a child pornography ring but were also helping pedophiles connect with one another, almost like online ordering, in the years before the internet.

I am doing some first hand research into this.  My guess is IF this were true everyone would have been crying it from the treetops for decades.  But who knows, I could be wrong.

Sequiera is better than Stephen Kay, he who pronounced Steven Hodel's piece of shit book the final word on the Dahlia.  But he has a job which is to keep these people locked up.  It is a stupid job since they aren't getting out, but he does it well.

The fact that no previous DA brought it up tends to make one think it isn't factual.  Because they couldn't have helped themselves.

Somehow, this assertion by Ann makes St. Circumstance feel vindicated.  Because he needs some validation in his life.

IF this is true then Bobby should be held up as a child perverter and never get out.

But I am not going to weigh in until someone proved something.  Because in America, people are innocent until proven otherwise, no matter what human bags of insecurity striving for Sainthood say!

Happy New Fear

With the advent of Lucky 2013 I hope that all the researchers out there get their heart's desire and have a healthy and happy New Year.

I also hope we find out why TLB happened.
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David Ferrie: Oh man, why don't you fuckin' stop it? Shit, this is too fuckin' big for you, you know that? Who did the president, who killed Kennedy, fuck man! It's a mystery! It's a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma! The fuckin' shooters don't even know! Don't you get it?