Wednesday, October 05, 2011

Orca Tate Dives for the Microphone Again


Here's an interesting fact one of the Debra worshippers can bring up next time they want to get their tongues up her voluminous buttcrack.

Debra Tate is not the designated victim's spokesperson for the Tate Family at Parole Hearings.

That's right. Not just anyone who says they are related to Sharon gets to show up and whine at Tex and Katie. Otherwise Rosie could bang on for an hour. The next of kin has to designate if they themselves are not coming who they want to speak there.

Up to this point, and after several grueling hours of Sea World training, Patrick Sequiera has become use to Orca. She says the right things and she claps for the tiny fish treats he gives her. Hell, he even let her speak at the Leslie hearing, although Leslie never even met old Sharon.

But while disinheriting Debra, Col. Tate, with one of his final breaths, made sure to stipulate who spoke at hearings for Sharon. And it was not his Oui photographed, mailman daughter.

The correct person has always chosen to let Orca have her say, although they have attended recent hearings themselves.

The Col hopes November 16th when Tex gets denied the CORRECT person speaks, and Orca gets sent back to the holding pen. Just maybe....

91 comments:

katie8753 said...

And who is the "designated person" to speak at the parole hearings?

You keep asserting that Paul Tate hated Debra.

Please bring this to fruition. I'm waiting with bated breath!!!

Please reply Colonel!!!

If you don't, I'll assume that you don't have an answer to my question.

katie8753 said...

If Debra Tate is not the "designated person", then who would be?

A niece, nephew, cousin, sister-in-law, brother-in-law, some pollack from behind the curtain?

Pray tell....who is???

FrankM said...

Katie says (Hi, Katie)

You keep asserting that Paul Tate hated Debra.

Let me quote from Col's blog

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 08, 2006

To lay out the argument and chronology briefly.

1- Col Scott posted something about Patti in December.
2- Col Scott was shocked at the venom flung Debra's way as a result of that post..
3- Col Scott posted something about Debra in Jan.
4- Col Scott received an anonymous email to look into where Paul Tate was buried.
5- Paul Tate is NOT buried in the family plot. Col wanted to know why.
6- Col found out that Col's ashes
[sic - it should be Paul Tate's ashes, I guess] were still somewhere in the possession of Debra Tate, who as direct next of kin automatically was in charge of burial because Paul Tate mistakenly did not indicate otherwise.
7- Col then wondered about that and ordered the last Will of Paul Tate.
8- Col found out that Debra was disinherited by her father.
9- Col points out that this is shocking BECAUSE she has spent so much time on the internet enforcing publicity rights (that is what they are called under Ca Law) to her dead sister and it would seem that she does not HAVE those rights.


Etc.

Hope this helps, Katie. These are Col's words, not mine.

FrankM

katie8753 said...

Hi Frank. Thanks for taking the time to look that up and explain.

So Debra is mad at Daddy for disinheriting her and decided to get back at him by putting the ashes up in the attic or throwing them out the window on the PCH doing 70 mph? That's downright creepy.

If you have to be designated in order to attend a parole hearing, I'm wondering how Debra is able to attend Leslie's & Bruce's parole hearings???

FrankM said...

I'm wondering how Debra is able to attend Leslie's & Bruce's parole hearings???

And Bobby's.

Like it or not, I'm not sure she can be prevented if she's invited by the victim's families. See the following

"In 2002 Van Houten's lawyer Christie Webb, tried to have Debra Tate removed from the hearing, stating that Van Houten was not involved in the murder of Sharon Tate. The Board advised Webb that Debra was there as a support person for the Labianca family and had every right to be present".

Source: ABC News 6 July 2010

FrankM

louis365 said...

Orca just really pisses me off sometimes...

ColScott said...

Katie
Of course I know who the designate is. I gave you enough clues. I said SHE had attended already.

katie8753 said...

So Col, I'm guessing you mean Patti Tate. I don't recall Col Tate attending any hearings, although I know that Patti read a letter from her Dad at a parole hearing (can't remember if it was Tex or Susan).

Well since she passed, who is now the designee? Did she put in writing that it should be her daughter? And if so, did Debra "bully" her in some way to silence her so Debra could attend?

I guess I'm scratching my head over this one. What difference does it make WHO attends these hearings, as long as these creatures don't get out?

ColScott said...

If you don't care, don't ask.
And Patti died well before Paul.

adam said...

Orca's are highly intelligent creatures. Calling Debra Tate one is an insult to their kind.

FrankM said...

katie8753 said...

I guess I'm scratching my head over this one. What difference does it make WHO attends these hearings, as long as these creatures don't get out?

Umm, Katie ... this is certainly a novel form of justice, if the idea is for the result of the parole hearing to match your desired outcome.

I agree that the chances of parole are very slim for any of them, but I can't approve of trying to gainsay the result of the hearing - in effect, you seem to be saying that what you want is more important than what the law determines.

That way lies madness and fascism, surely?

No offense intended - just a thought.

FrankM

katie8753 said...

I guess I worded that question too ambiguously. What I meant was, what does it matter which FAMILY member attends these parole hearings, as long as someone takes the time to do so.

I can't imagine that there is a lot of fighting over who "gets" to attend. Like most other legal proceedings, it's probably a lot of "hurry up and wait". Not to mention having to sit thru the gory details of the crime for the umpteenth time.

ColScott said...

there is attending for justice

and then

there is attending for attention

St. Circumstance said...

LOL I laugh every time I see you use the term Orca, and when I opened the blog and saw that picture- I almost fell out of my chair...

Attending for attention versus attending for justice

Hmmmm I think so - she is omni-present when it comes to anything surrounding this case


She makes it hard to feel any genuine feelings for her- and she did go through serious hell that I wouldnt wish on anyone...

But like Denise Brown- she cant seem to grasp that family tragedy doesn't equal a chance to become a more relevant person long term based on nothing more than the association with the family member victimized...

you need to have some substance or purpose of your own at some point in your life I think...

I think it would make her feel better, and be a much happier person if she would let go at this point- and move on

Like Bugs- and a few others

( myself)

I dont think she can

If the lack of answers and the mystery around what happened to those people still fascinates us...

Imagine how it must be for those who knew and loved them????

for that, and only that, I give her a little extra room

Vera Dreiser said...

Hey! Where did my pro-Debra comment go?! It was up there an hour ago when I posted it, now it's GONE!

ColScott said...

There is no such thing as a pro-Debra comment silly billy. That would be like being pro child torture. No such thing.

ColScott said...

Censorship is applied by the government. You are welcome to be pro Debra all you like. It is a silly path to run. You cannot be anti-Brie which you were for some reason. She has done nothing to you.


Hey btw, what happened to Evilliz blog?

St. Circumstance said...

I just posted Happy birthday to Liz on her site yesterday???

starship said...

Uh oh...the Col is right...where is evil liz?

Censorship? This does not bode well...

Panamint Patty said...

okay which one of you idiot savants reported Liz?

JK: "We'll be BACK!"

Vera Dreiser said...
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
ColScott said...

Vera you sound like a deranged Cat Lady.
This site was never a democracy. I never claimed that it was. I have banned comments before and I will do so again. The only reason I need to have is I fucking want to. Don't like it? Piss off.
You do not know what the definition of Censorship is. If I throw you out of my house because you think Mitt Romney is a good guy that is not censorship. You are ignorant and stupid.
I have explained Orca before and you refuse to go back and read it. I will spoonfeed it to you.

Debra Tate was disowned by her family. Why is their business as you said. She even goes so far as to deny her father a proper burial and his grandkids a place to visit him. Fine.

Debra Tate then acts as if she represents the Tate Family, even going so far as to claim she owns rights to Sharon.

She owns NOTHING legally.
She owns NOTHING morally.

The moment the bitch states the lie that she does OWN something it becomes my problem and yours.

Like I said, Brie did nothing to you and I removed your attack on her. You haven't read the book. There is not a better tribute possible to Sharon. 40 pages of the book are by Brie. The rest of the book is by Doris, Patti and Paul. It is not being done for profit.

You remain a stupid, ignorant person.

Ken said...

www.Eviliz.com is back up, with some issues.

ColScott said...

Dear Cat Lady Vera,

Debra Tate does not represent her family. Ever since she associated with Pic Dawson one of the suspects in her sister's killing the Tate Family did not want her associated with them. They disinherited her. They specifically stipulated that she did not get to speak for them at hearings. Because of one mistake she was able to grab the ashes and is keeping them like the cunt she is. She has no legal or moral rights to say she represents the family. All Sharon possessions not already taken by her were specifically assigned to other people. You can scream all you want- she is doing the exact opposite of what Sharon's parents wanted.

You are a crazyass bitch. Reality is reality.

Vera Dreiser said...

A modest request from Vera, re: this:

"They disinherited her. They specifically stipulated that she did not get to speak for them at hearings. Because of one mistake she was able to grab the ashes and is keeping them like the cunt she is. She has no legal or moral rights to say she represents the family. All Sharon possessions not already taken by her were specifically assigned to other people."

Please post the parts of the will where it states the above stipulations and decrees. And not typed out by you, but actual scans of the document.

Not that I'm going to hold my breath, since you completely IGNORED my question about who the proceeds of the Statman/Brie book are going to.

C'mon, Col. You've got lawyerly training. You can do this -- if you're not lying about fucking everything.

And I'd love to hear opinions, comments, etc., from others regarding the stuff Col and myself are discussing instead of just deafening silence. You all know I can't delete your comments, so have at me, otherwise, I'll be left wondering if you're frightened of the alternative: having at the Col.

ColScott said...

people are silent Cat Lady because they are not crazy like you are

You don't have to believe anything I say.

Doesn't make it any less true.

Ken said...

I'm curious about Debra's association with Pic Dawson. How involved with Pic was she and when did this happen?

ColScott said...

what was the name of the Boy Band in South Park?

brownrice said...

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/185665/fingerbangin-into-the-night

katie8753 said...

How do you know that Debra was associated with Pic Dawson?

And why would that have anything to do with Sharon's murder? He didn't kill her.

ColScott said...

Sigh
Apologies for the crazy cat lady Vera. She insists on coming over to my house and shitting in the hallway. Vera- you aren't welcome here. Go fuck off you crazy cow.

Vera Dreiser said...

OCCUPY THE OFFICIAL TATE-LABIANCA MURDERS BLOG NOW! FREE SPEECH FOR ALL!
(LOL).

ColScott said...

Cat Lady
Free Speech means the government cannot arrest you for saying things i doesn't like.
It does not mean you can come to my house and shit in the hallway.

St. Circumstance said...

In the years I have been on this blog- I have posted a few things:

against Bobby's parole

in defense of Bugs as a lawyer

in an attempt to understand Debra

All of these ( I think) Go against what the Col. believes- but he has never censored me...

Vera- when you asked about the silence when you quoted AC's racist remark awhile back- I spoke up, because if it were true- I thought it was wrong....

I am silent now, because I just dont see it myself...

actually- more often than I have seen Col take a comment off his site...

I have seen him take comments he didn't agree with or like, and put them up as posts for everyone to see
( debate/mock whatever lol)

Sorry- I personally just cant get on board with this one

:)

I hope Liz's site gets back online soon!!

Vera Dreiser said...

Circumstance: "I am silent now, because I just don't see it myself..."

That's because you weren't ALLOWED to SEE what I wrote! Only what HE wrote and mischaracterized about my comments and was too frightened to allow you to see and judge for yourself.
That's why it's so insidious and no, they weren't "shitting in his hallway." That's a lie worse than any Bugliosi has ever told. I wish I could send them to you via email and let you judge them for yourself. Or if there was another HONEST forum where to post them I would.
But I doubt you'll even see this.
I'm outta here forever.
Enjoy your monitored and highly tailored "info" page kids.
Vera, and one would think most information seekers, prefers the TRUTH.

ColScott said...

Cat Lady you are deranged.

Any opinion is welcome.

I have not committed a capital offense like BUG (lying under oath in a death penalty trial)

You attacked a young girl who has had enough stress in her life. I removed the attack. She never did anything to you.

Try posting your comments without attacking the young girl and I bet they stay.

Or keep screaming for kibbles!

St. Circumstance said...

Vera-

I did read your very long post before it was taken down..

you were very defensive of Debra, and until I read what you wrote- i never knew she was a mailfemale...

it sounded to me like you brought up a " Bri" person- who I am not personally aware of -

and that is what appeared to have caused the problem...

I saw the post you wrote, and was aware it was removed....

I have taken a sympathetic approach myself Debra- it was never removed...

I just think that whatever difference you two have is apparent, but it doesn't mean when you write something that personally offends him- he will censor the rest of us...

does it?

but I just dont see that happen often is my only point

Vera Dreiser said...

For the millionth time, I didn't "attack" or even criticize "the young girl" (who is, in fact, a 28-year-old woman).
Restore my comments and let your readers judge for themselves.
But you won't.

St. Circumstance said...

Vera- so you know

outside of the Bri issue ( I know nothing about)

Your post was sort of similar to some earlier things I said in defense of Debra...

I do give her a benefit of the doubt as far as her craving for spotlight and attention...

At least I think it is fairly easy to see why she turned out the way she did...

I can be sympathetic to how/why she became who she is

BUT- I cannot deny that is is not an attractive person in many way's in my opinion...

I dont know what would it would have done to me????

St. Circumstance said...

I hope I wouldn't have turned it into my lifelong public forum to promote myself... keep my name/face out there...

I mean her mother did remarkable things which had a real impact on the system- and I wouldn't be able to pick Doris out of a lineup...

because she wasn't visible doesn't mean she couldn't care and make a difference....

Debra could have learned from her mother....

St. Circumstance said...

you defended her playboy shoot as well as her mail career ... just so you know I really did read your entire post...

starship said...

Yes, more on Pic Dawson and Debra, please....

Vera Dreiser said...

Circumstance: "... just so you know I really did read your entire post..."

No, Circ, you didn't read the three follow-up posts that broadened by thesises and, for the millionth-and-first time, were NOT an attack against the 28-year-old woman in question.

And, by the way Starship, Debra spent less time in Dawson's presence than Sharon did, and, like Sharon, only by circumstance because he had been invited to the house by Gibby and Voy. She never saw Dawson after the murders and for god-sakes, didn't know who the fuck he was and, lest you forget, was a 16-year-old girl surrounded by a world of sophisticated adults.
So crucify her for that, Col.

La-de-la said...

I have sympathy for the 16 yr old Debra who lost her sister in such a brutal manner. And at 16 that must have been devastating.

That being said, I saw her interviewed on one of the numerous programs a few years back. One of her comments was that Sharon was nominated for an Academy Award for "Valley of the Dolls". That was incorrect, it was a Golden Globe. People can make mistakes.

However, when she stated,on this same program, that during the Manson trial, she was allowed a moment alone in a room with good ole Charlie, she lost all credibility with me. That is an out and out LIE.There's no way that EVER would have happened.
If she could lie about something so obvious, then she is quite capable of lying for self-aggrandisement.

She smells of a phony-wanna-be-celebrity. But as I am not a bloodhound, I could be barking up the wrong tree.

TomG said...

Something wrong with being a mail lady? Anytime you can get an American to actually work for money and not have a Mexican come up and do it, they should be praised, not ridiculed.

melee1969 said...

Vera didn't say anything bad against anybody. I read her posts and agree with her.

Debra has every right to be at the hearings. I admire her for sitting through all that nonsense and breathing the same air as the monsters who killed her sister. More power to her.

St. Circumstance said...

I used some examples of her points to show her I did read her post..

I NEVER said I had anything against Mailfemales, Mailmen, or mail in general...

Or Mexicans for that matter :)

Now Phillie fans... another story :)

lol j/k


Not sure how or why I got into the middle of this.....

I dont disagree dramatically with Vera either regarding Debra- but she is wrong - in my opinion- that Col censors people. She seemed to want to hear on the matter so I voiced up an opinion...

But I dont personally disparage

Mail persons, or minorities, or AC

so please let me be clear about that and remove myself from the matter as it is starting to go in one of those directions where people start yelling at each other..

And I like this group of people

TomG said...

Why would any human being, on the face of this earth, who had something worthwhile going on in their life, care what Debra Tate, whose sister played Miss Jane's assistant at the Commerce Bank on the Beverly Hillbillies, care what she did in 2011?

You should hope that a fellow human being had a happy life. And hope you have one too.....while you're at it.

St. Circumstance said...

Tom my brother...

this is the exact point of this post to me...

Nobody cares what Debra does nowadays...

but a few of us care about this case- and when anything new occurs involving it-

A few people keep popping up everywhere you look....

If Debra would not be in my mug every time I watch a new interview or special about the case...

I swear her name would never come out of my mouth

but when we are discussing a subject- and a person who is only peripherally involved with the subject - keeps interjecting themselves....

how do you avoid commenting about that person???

they seem to want to draw the attention in ways no???

so then we question why they get it???

lol if these are the rules...

I cant win :)

ColScott said...

And, by the way Starship, Debra spent less time in Dawson's presence than Sharon did, and, like Sharon, only by circumstance because he had been invited to the house by Gibby and Voy. She never saw Dawson after the murders and for god-sakes, didn't know who the fuck he was and, lest you forget, was a 16-year-old girl surrounded by a world of sophisticated adults.
-----------------------
This is a lie. Col Tate found out the real Dawson relationship and this was the beginning of the estrangement.
I don't know who you are Vera or who is feeding you shit, but you can watch them stfu when you tell them this- "I've seen the pictures"

St. Circumstance said...

amazing I am taking both sides of this argument at the same time lol

but I feel for what Debra has been through, and feel she does deserve respect and privacy....

but she doesn't demand the same for herself- and she doesn't conduct her life in a way that - to me- even warrants it...

she is lucky good people like you, and hopefully me, Tom- give it to her anyway....

TomG said...

I would take all you people much more seriously if you would use spellchecker, its free, and speak in complete sentences. So I can understand what the fuck you mean.

They the noun. They verb. They adverb. They adjective that sets up what they noun really, really means.

Vera Dreiser said...

"...you can watch them stfu when you tell them this- "I've seen the pictures."

Go on, you big bully, put 'em up here then. Don't be like Salem.

And, while you're at it, who did you say the proceeds to that book are going to? And where are the scanned parts of that will proving your alleagations about the disinheritment of Debra.

My question: Is the Col really Salem???

louis365 said...

Vera, don't mind the CrazyCol calling you crazy. One time, being called crazy ment something. Nowadays, everyone is crazy.

katie8753 said...

>>>The Col said: They disinherited her. They specifically stipulated that she did not get to speak for them at hearings.>>>

Who is they? How many people wrote Paul Tate's will? This mysterious "they".

Debra Tate didn't have any involvement with Pic Dawson. That's hogwash. I don't care if you "saw the pictures" or not. That's not proof.

"They" can't stop Debra from attending parole hearings. Period. Dead or alive folks. She's the only direct living descendant of Sharon Tate and she can damn well attend them if she wants. Whether you like it or not.

And it has nothing to do with Bugliosi. You try to make everything have something to do with him.

The world doesn't revolve around Vincent Bugliosi. He was a brilliant prosecutor. I just wish he could have prosecuted other guilty folks who got off.

katie8753 said...

It doesn't matter how you feel about Bugliosi Col, the fact remains that he is probably the ONLY one who could have convicted Charlie.

And yes...Charlie was guilty.

You claim to be a "dis-barred attorney". As such, you should know your way around the bench.

A good prosecutor will look for every nook and cranny that a defense attorney will try to stick it in. And he will close that crack up.

Bugliosi did just that. He proved to an impartial jury that Charles Manson was guilty of conspiracy to commit murder.

Which he was.

My hat is off to Vincent Bugliosi. And also to Debra Tate.

How do you like those apples???

katie8753 said...

You know Col, I gave you a good idea for a script for a new Manson movie. I've got other ideas.

Have your girl get in touch with my boy. Maybe I'll "pencil you in" for lunch. HA HA.

ColScott said...

Katie
Wrong, she was frolicking naked with Mr Dawson on the lawn. It was her.
Wrong, only the designated person gets to attend, it is the LAW.
Wrong, BUG prosecuted Charlie by violating the law and lies and deceit. Doesn't matter whether Charlie was guilty or not. The law says what BUG did was a crime.
Katie- you suck.

starship said...

Debra is NOT a descendant of Sharon's.

The 16 year old Debra, frolicking naked on the lawn of Cielo Drive with Pic Dawson obviously before the murders? Col, why would this lead Paul tate to disnherit her? Too puritan?

Would Debra have been at Cielo when Sharon wasn't there? Remember she was barely there anyway (Sharon).

katie8753 said...

Starship, descendant was the wrong word. Next of kin???

Col, if it's against the law for Debra to attend, why do they let her in?

ColScott said...

Katie it is not against the law- she just says she is the designate and there never has been a challenge. She isn't. Col was hoping actual designate wakes up on 16th

Starship-
Col Tate goes undercover, deep, to unearth his daughter's killers. Initially Dawson is a major suspect. And your underage daughter.... I really need to explain this?

Vera Dreiser said...

For chrissakes. Even if Debra was giving Dawson blow jobs on the front lawn of the house -- who the fuck cares and how the hell is it relevant??? Or any of YOUR business?
Since when has the Col become the morality police and the defender of Col Tate's bigotry? It was ok for Sharon to have sex with someone Col Tate also considered a drug dealer, Jay Sebring, but not his underage daughter to be (as the law sees it) raped (if there was intercourse) by a inconsequential druggie hanger-on?

And lets see those pictures, Col. Not to hurt Debra, but to prove they even exist. Not, though, that they even matter in the big picture.

Vera Dreiser said...

And designated by WHOM? Sharon's dead! Col Tate, Doris, Patty, they could have said who they PREFERRED represent the family but no one has any legal right -- show me the law -- to say one family member has motre of a right to be at a hearing than another.
Col, you're pulling all of this shit outta yer fat ass.

Cite the law for me NOW fatty.

starship said...

Ok, Col, So Paul Tate discovers this while he goes undercover which is in late 1969 into 1970...

So Paul Tate disnherited his 17 year old daughter?

You can correct me if I'm wrong, and of course some proof would be nice, but I was under the impression that things didn't go sour between the Tates until much later, probably after Patty's death, and that Doris objected to a true disinheritance...so what gives here.

I can imagine many reasons why Debra could possibly have been disinherited from Paul Tate's estate, but Pic Dawson in 1969 doesn't seem to be a credible reason...

Vera Dreiser said...

Ain't addin' up, Col.
What's the real deal? Why you have it in for her? She reject you back in the '90's (either for sexual favors or deep info on the case)?
Do tell.
No one's buying the Dawson BS or that other will and hearing crap.
Spill!

St. Circumstance said...

I am not a lawyer- but I think that at the time of her death if Sharon had not legally named one herself- her administrator of estate would have fallen to her husband. So, I would think that only he would be able to speak on her behalf or appoint anyone to anything on her behalf...

If she weren't married - the estate would fall to her oldest living offspring by default.

and that person would be responsible/eligible to administer for the estate and make those calls

but as far as which immediate family member would have preference over another- in lack of either of those scenarios....

I have no idea????

Wouldn't Roman be the one to designate her representative at parole hearings???

Maybe he chooses not to participate???

St. Circumstance said...

When my father died he was not married but lived with his girlfriend.
His mother was still alive and they were in touch up until he died as was my younger brother. He also had two younger brothers


I was the only one who wasn't in touch with him- but they wouldn't let any of those people sign/designate anything for his estate- it fell to me by law as his oldest sibling....

My attorney told me because my father was 52 and had not written a will- this was the law... Had he married the girlfriend- it would have all went to her- but in lack of legal marriage certificate- his death certificate was issued to his oldest living sibling- me. Becoming administrator to his estate was my choice to make first. not my grandmother. Also- he had two living younger brother as well.... If it were not for me and my younger brother- which of his brothers or my grandmother would have gotten the responsibility? I am not sure

So I had to go up there and sign over his business to his partner, and his house to his girlfriend, and sign the titles to the cars and boat , so they could be sold- and of course pay for all the fees and attorneys lol

at least that was the law in NJ 12 years ago...

So I am not trying to be Matlock or anything as far as legalese..

I just had an experience with this

I do think there is a chain or hierarchy to the process...

just not sure what it is....

St. Circumstance said...

Maybe Estate Administer naming like mine is different from Parole hearing representation...

but if there is an issue as to who get to do what on behalf of a deceased person ( be it crime victim or not)

I am sure the same rules pertaining to who has authority in there name would be similar or the same no??

bobby said...

Col said

Katie- you suck.

Bobby said

Col- you blow.

cielodrivecom said...

Circumstance, here is an article about her estate...

SANTA MONICA, Jan. 3, 1970 – The $45,400 estate of actress Sharon Tate, who left no will, will be divided among her husband, parents, and sisters, according to court records.

A document filed Friday in superior court here by attorneys for Miss Tate’s father, retired Army Col. Paul J. Tate, 47, indicated that a search was made to determine if the young actress left a will. None was found.

Tate was granted permission by Superior Court Judge Mario L. Clinco to act as administrator for his daughter’s estate. Tate’s petition listed as her immediate heirs her husband, film director Roman Polanski: her father; her mother, Doris, 45; and two sisters, Deborah Ann, 17, and Patricia Gaye, 12, who both live with their mother in Palos Verdes Estates, Calif.

The documents indicated Miss Tate’s estate was $45,400, including cars worth $5,700.

St. Circumstance said...

Thanks! That's interesting-

So if that was the law in California at that time-

Wouldnt Col. Tate then be the one to designate a spokeperson at her partole hearings??

Thanks Cielo- very helpful

St. Circumstance said...

obviously laws can be amended and changed, and as well- they are a little different in some matters from state to state...

all I can say is that according to my experience- Col Tate would have had (as her administrator estate) the final say on any matters involving Sharon or her estate.

Vera Dreiser said...

Jesus, people, who don't you just go to the rule book?!

From the Board of Parole Hearings Handbook, page 5:

"Who can attend a parole hearing?
The victim or if the victim has died, family members may attend and speak at the hearing in the following order of priority:
• Spouse (including registered domestic partners)
• Children
• Parents
• Siblings
• Grandchildren
• Grandparents
Two representatives may accompany the victim or each family member to the hearing.
Victims and their families may choose to designate a representative to speak on their behalf.
If you choose to have a representative speak on your behalf, please notify the Office of Victim and Survivor Rights and Services. Please be aware that many hearing rooms are relatively small and, therefore, the number of individuals allowed to attend the hearing may be limited."

So, Roman, Paul, Doris or Patty could have designated someone to speak on their behalf but Debra, as the ONLY SURVIVING SIBLING OF THE DECEASED, IS FIRST-IN-LINE TO REPRESENT THE FAMILY OF THE VICTIM ONCE THE PARENTS ARE DEAD. Even if Roman designated someone else, Debra still takes precedence over anyone else besides Roman, and even if he designated someone else, she would be permitted as the 2nd of the two family members allowed at each hearing.
And, because Roman still calls Debra frequently, and considers her a close friend and family member (remember, she went to London to testify on his behalf in his victorious libel suit against Vanity Fair), I
hardly think that he'd object to having her represent him and Sharon.
There. Done deal. Move on.
Except still waiting on Salem/Wheat -- er, I mean, the Col -- to provide ANY proof that any of the rubbish he has posted over the past week is true.
Guess it's gonna be a LONG wait.
xxoxoox,
Vera

St. Circumstance said...

Vera- I think the part you wrote in BOLD makes sense..

after Col. Tate passed it would probably go the way you say- in accordance with what I went through..

I did read what you posted- but again it didn't give any specifics as to who would have preference over who...

but your right - I think- once the Administrator is gone as well- it would go in some order to the remaining heirs named...

Vera Dreiser said...

Circ: "I did read what you posted- but again it didn't give any specifics as to who would have preference over who..."

No, Circ, read it again. It clearly does list order of priority:

"family members may attend and speak at the hearing in the following order of priority:
• Spouse (including registered domestic partners)
• Children
• Parents
• Siblings
• Grandchildren
• Grandparents..."

St. Circumstance said...

my apologies- I didn't realize that list was in order of priority-

but again - that order does jibe with my experiences as well...

Now if Col- had made any stipulations regarding Debra prior to his death while he still had authority- that maybe different...

but otherwise- maybe Debra did have some authority?

TomG said...

Here is Sharon Tate playing Janet Trego in a popular 60's sitcom;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkVFNuXgd0E

katie8753 said...

Well Col, I guess Vera pretty much spelled it out.

You are wrong and she is right. According to the Board of Parole Hearings Handbook, page 5.

Top that motherfucker!

Do you have other doings that disregard the rules? If so, pray share. HA HA.

Maybe you and Colt Tate have some undercover dealings with the underworld.

Maybe Col Tate went down to the "hoodoo" level, and went underground to get rid of Debra.

Raaahhhhh.....Boooooo....

HA HA.

katie8753 said...

Guess what?? Col Tate is dead!

He's not the Col anymore.

He doesn't set the rules.

Neither do you.

Debra does.......

So let it be said....so let it be done. (The King of Siam)

louis365 said...

Oh...ffs...Debra sets the rules LOL that dumb bitch can't even set a table without going wacko about the knives...and the CrazyCol, well, his head is up kanarek's ass...

La-de-la said...

Katie,

Are you channeling Susan Atkins?

Mary said...

Handling of an estate is much different than being able to attend a parole hearing.

Mary said...

I wouldn't think one has anything to do with the other. As Vera stated - the rules of the DOC would apply to the parole hearings and she reported who receives priority

TomG said...

The most boring and pointless thread ever in the history of mankind.

This is why God made cyanide.

ACFisherAldag said...

Hey, hey, please don't drive Vera off yet, she has yet to show me the original traffic ticket, LOL!

George Vreeland Hill said...

Debra needs to grow up and bury her dad in the Tate plot in Culver City, CA.
Sharon, Doris and Patti would want him there.
If Paul turned his back on Debra, then it is because of the things she did.
I have a lot of Sharon Tate related things on the Internet.
If Debra ever asks me to remove anything, I will tell her to F off.
She is an asshole.

George Vreeland Hill

AustinAnn74 said...

Just out of curiosity, have you ever met Debra Tate? Do you know this woman at all? Why do you hate her so much? Is it because she was actually there when all this was happening, and you weren't around to experience it? I am actually very curious to know what has caused you (the creator of this blog) to say such nasty comments about somebody that you do not even personally know.

Desperada57 said...
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Desperada57 said...

Wish you wouldn't call her Orca. I have a cat named Orca and he's all kinds of adorable!

And I echo AustinAnne's sentiment. Does anybody even know the woman?

Janson2112 said...

Wow, katie, do you even read trial transcripts or pay attention to any of the FACTS?? You don't have to answer that, regardless whether Charlie was guilty of anything or not, If you can't see that what BUG did is wrong, just because he got a conviction. I just don't know what to say to that, hope it never happens to you, sitting on your couch one day and cops kick your door in and arrest you for being the mastermind of 9/11! If what BUG did is allowed without someone standing up and saying wait a minute, then you could be next.
Also the Col is right, if you are going to argue a point, at least know the law, F ORCA, she is not a representative of the Tate family, morally or legally, and she needs to shut her mouth and stop trying to get her claim to fame from her dead sister.
To the Grammer Police guy, if people didnt do typos and use incorrect grammer, YOU wouldnt be able to look down your BIG nose at them with your smug sense of superiority

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