Tuesday, January 09, 2007

Man of the Year Writes In


Bret talks about the Cult show from yesterday and talks about behind the scenes joy-

The crime scene photos used in the show are from John. I helped them with some information after they contacted me through the website. They wanted crime scene photographs and I told them John had the best quality. They also gave us the Beta Cam master of Leslie's parole hearing. After all the trouble in getting the tape. In Septemeber I talked to the prison to get clearance for us to attend the pool feed at CIW for leslie's hearing, only to find out that you don't need any permission from the CDC or other sources. John went to the prison with all kinds of equippment to record. Everything was fine untill he found out that the pool feed mult box doesn't take RCA cables. He needed a BNA adaptor and tried to borrow it from the news media and the documentary crews but nobody had one so we didn't get any footage. John did however tape the interviews following the hearing. Since then we bought a BNA to RCA adaptor. This year, there will be hearings for Charlie, Pat and Leslie. We are going to all those hearings.

25 comments:

jempud said...

Just saw the 2002 parole clip on Bret's home page where LVH is walking, shackled, accompanied by at least five beefy guards.

Nice a/v image for Rousseau: L' homme […et la femme…] est nĂ© libre, et partout il est dans les fers.

As I remember, she had fewer chains, fewer custodians, the first time she appeared in court.

Putting aside the thorny question of whether she should still be in gaol or not, do tell me, is a woman who has spent so long in prison and has an unblemished prison record really judged likely to pose such a physical danger that she needs to be so restrained?

Or has she simply had the bad luck of becoming involved in a 'politicised' case.

I'm not a US citizen - is this considered normal in the US? Do all parole appearances involve manacles and/or leg irons? And, do others share my lack of comprehension?

Jem

Skyhook said...

I would like to think that it was for her own protection.

It could of course been away to convey an impression that this person is dangerous and not fit for parole.

jempud said...

Skyhook dice ...
I would like to think that it was for her own protection.

Nice idea, but have you seen the video ? She's walking from the detention cells to the courtroom. Does she need to be protected from the security teams themselves ?

Maybe, at that. But to to convey an impression. Now there you're probably right .. to influence the outcome of the parole - it wouldn't do to give the parolee a fair chance, would it.

Let's sing it for American justice.

Jem

Heaven said...

I'm not an expert on escorting prisoners, but I do believe the shackles are standard procedure. She's not being treated differently than any other prisoner.

I believe they use shackles for several reasons, one is to prevent the prisoner from attempting to escape...

=)

jempud said...

Heaven dice I'm not an expert on escorting prisoners

Well, I'm glad to hear that LOL

But I guess we get all types on this blog …

Jem

jempud said...

Talking of Bret's site, who is this here, and when was the picture taken?

And one more: who and when is this here .

Anyone know?

Jem

Heaven said...

The first one is Leslie Van Houten taken in the mid 70's. I believe it was during her second trial

The second one is a very young Barbara Hoyt

jempud said...

Heaven dice: The first one is Leslie Van Houten taken in the mid 70's. I believe it was during her second trial

The second one is a very young Barbara Hoyt
.

Thanks, Heaven - thought it might be Barbara, but never thought of LVH - but now I can see it.

Best

Jem

angeLos said...

And with the 5 beefy guards there seem to be a medical doctor in white shirt, maybe this is one of the reason why LVH seems sedated and with the arms that way...I was very surprised to see her that way with manacles etc...

and the second photo after LVH if you ask me, I would say it is Susan Atkins young and not BH.

jempud said...

ANGELOS DICE: maybe this is one of the reason why LVH seems sedated.

… and wouldn't that be ironic - to be branded in the public image as a drug fiend and then kept under control by drugs, adminstered by the state that condemned her.

But I can see too why she would want to be sedated - the parole hearing must be an ordeal for her, having the whole caboodle rehashed again in minute detail.

And going into the courtroom with all those chains won't make her feel any better.

Jem

Heaven said...

No, it's not Susan...

Susan had long black hair..
The picture is over on Turners site... If you look at the other pictures of Barbara, you can easily see it's her...
It was also used once in a magazine article. It's Barbara when she was quite young...

=)

angeLos said...

Yes, ok heaven , I see what you mean with the hair color,

it is strange how much she changed over the years, with her thick glasses, etc...

Heaven said...

I agree, she has changed, a lot...

=)

Deb said...

of course there is the other theory that it might not have had anything to do with Leslie at all and perhaps a way of dissuading anyone of trying to help her escape... not a logical person but wilder things have happened!

Deb

deadwoodhbo said...

well said

jempud said...

Deb dice: of course there is the other theory that it might not have had anything to do with Leslie at all and perhaps a way of dissuading anyone of trying to help her escape

Interesting idea. I wonder if there is any member of the family still out there with the interest or initiative to want/try to rescue any of them ?

Jem

Salem said...

Interesting idea. I wonder if there is any member of the family still out there with the interest or initiative to want/try to rescue any of them ?

Jem

what do u mean by that Jem?
rescue?????

jempud said...

Salem dice...
what do u mean by that Jem?
rescue?????


Well, history has shown cases of attacks on prisons to spring inmates .. and it happens in the movies LOL

My question really was does any of the old 'family' care any more

Jem

Salem said...

My question really was does any of the old 'family' care any more

Jem
yes they do care. very much so.
As far as a prison break, no, that will not happen.

jempud said...

[In reply to my question as to whether any of the old 'family' still care about the human condition of those languishing in prisons …]

Salem dice...
yes they do care. very much so.

With no disrespect to Salem, I wonder if I might make a suggestion that would benefit debate and discussion on this board.

The proposal is that when any of us makes a bald statement of this nature – and many posting on this list are prone to this – we back it up by some reasoned ‘explanation’ that ‘justifies’ the claim.

If the TLB blog is to be a even more useful research board than it already is, surely we need substantiated claims and reasoned arguments. Otherwise, how can we distinguish between extravagant and unsupported assertions and well researched and documented ‘evidence’; how can we make clear what are opinions (and what reason we have for holding them) and what are independently verifiable facts, and whether those ‘facts’ come from documents that may contain mistruths, why we believe they may be mistruths, etc.

Only by setting out data and arguments systematically are we likely to come nearer to the truth of affairs; without this ordered approach we are condemned to eternally recycling gossip and bigotry.

Please note this post is not directed at Salem and has nothing to do with him/her personally – rather it is one I have been meaning to make for some time.

Peace

Jem

Salem said...

jempud said...
[In reply to my question as to whether any of the old 'family' still care about the human condition of those languishing in prisons …]

Salem dice...
yes they do care. very much so.


well
I cant just give out phone numbers
can I?
No, thats not my style.
There are so called family *still together that care about all, and will soon be on line soon.
Thats all I will say.

Salem said...

sorry for the soon's! I had a late call and decided to ck the blog.

Salem said...

Jem

I can say what I do ,say and post here as I am freinds with some of what you call the so called family*.
When the Col had a thread about Gary Hinman, I asked CM about the drugs that Gary had, and CM said HELL YES they were bad, Bobby's g/f lost her baby when she did them.*
I will not how ever post letters and or addresses or phone no*s of people , I think that was very uncouth of Bill Nelson.
Sandy is happy up North on her farm, and all is well with others,
Hope you have a wonderful day,
we are having a ice event this am.
Dianne

jempud said...

Diane:

Please understand I am not asking you to break any confidences - I wouldn't respect you if you did.

As you know I am a new member of the board. Col has been talking about what to do with his 'research' - and the word has come up several times.

As research is very much part of what I do, I was offering some suggestions as to methodology and procedure. I thought it might be useful, to help clear the wheat from the chaff.

What you know yourself is yours - as is what you choose to share with others. What you publish here on this blog will be evaluated by blog members, and the degree of credence and interest they invest in it will be in proportion to its verifiability.

And now back to work.

Peace

Jem

Salem said...

Thank you Jem

Peace
Dianne