Sunday, September 10, 2006

More Doris Tate, This Time on CNN Part Two

here is the rest-
that guy is a tool

48 comments:

poorspeck said...
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poorspeck said...

This lovely antique iron bird cage has quite the history. First let me describe the cage. It is 26" tall and 21" at its widest diameter and 17.5" in diameter at the base. It does not have a bottom so it would need to sit flat on something to actually hold a bird. The brackets for the perch are there but not the wood perch. The doors still open and work. It has dings and dents from age and wear. My guess is that it is early 20th century.

Now---it's bizarre story. I am selling this for my elderly friend Dolores Davis. Ms. Davis has had a very colorful life. She was for many years a successful opera singer. She had an affair with a famous astronaut and another with a very popular TV star. (Her brother-in-law was also a successful TV actor). Eventually she found herself working for Rudi Altobelli. Altobelli was a personal manager for actors such as Olivia Hussey (who Dolores spent most of her time working for). He owned a house on Cielo Drive that he eventually rented to Doris Day's son, Terry Melcher. When Melcher moved, Altobelli rented next to Roman Polanski and his young expecting wife, actress Sharon Tate. Altobelli was in Europe on the night in 1969 when Charles Manson's minions went on their hideous murder spree, ruthlessly killing Sharon Tate and her friends, as everyone knows. Altobelli had a weimaraner dog but there were also 2 poodles Pina & Pepe that she believes had been in the guest house with the wemaraner during the murders. Afterwards police took the dogs away and Ms. Davis was the one Altobelli called to rescue the poodles and reclaim them. Ms. Davis was at the house with Altobelli when things had been piled outside from the cleaned up. She mentioned she liked a birdcage (FINALLY, the birdcage!) that had been placed out in the pile. He gave it to her and she has had it ever since. Ms. Davis spent more time in the house after the murders as Altobelli didn't sell it.

Dolores Davis is a wonderful character and she said--"tell whoever buys the birdcage to call me and I'll tell them all about it!". So the offer is out there. She does not know what part of the house the birdcage was in--but she strongly suspects the guest house, but she knows it definitely came from that complex. I felt a little strange at first thinking about the birdcage's history but then I thought--Dolores Davis kept flowers in it for the last 40 years--I got over it. She's a bright, cheerful person and that took away all the shadowy thoughts floating around in my mind. Of course there is no way to PROVE the cage is from the Cielo house (although Dolores believes Polanski gave a tour of the house that was filmed if it shows up in that)(and the photo added here of Dolores at the Cielo drive house) but talking to Dolores Davis--and her many details---just a FEW I have included in this listing--you know that it in fact did.

The cage is large and heavy to ship within the USA (lower 48 states)--approx. $70 via UPS. I will offer this as a local pick-up in the Los Angeles area to avoid this charge. I cannot ship this outside of the country.

This is a neat bird cage with a story to tell.

SUNDAY, SEPT. 10th ADDITION:

I'm so glad no one has bid yet on this item because I really wanted the opportunity to speak about this listing. I have been amazed at the emails I have received about this item that are filled with name calling, anger and even threats to bid on my other auction items with the sole intend of leaving negative feedback. As I said, I'm selling this item for my friend Dolores Davis who told me its history. I jotted down some notes but I have obviously made mistakes with my interpretation of the notes. I knew very little about the murders before now (but I'm learning fast) and just used my notes to make the listing. That was a big error on my part--I should have thought to have checked everything but it didn't occur to me to do that. I thought my notes were enough. I have never experienced this kind of detail picking--which I don't fault. It's a sensative, serious subject and if I'm getting involved I should have done better. I have a list of mistakes/errors/confusion etc. on my part so today I called Dolores to get her story again. This time I knew the facts much better and had more pointed questions to ask. I did not help or steer her thoughts in any way and I am satisfied from her answers, plus further details she provided today that without a doubt this birdcage is from the Cielo Drive complex at the time of the murders. I revised my original listing to correct my mistakes over the past few days to get things correct, but let me go over my original mistakes and other issues that have since been brought up. My biggest error was I said a guy named Robert lived in the guest house and was a victim. Of course that is wrong. Dolores never met any of the murdered victims. She was only at the house after the murders. The houseboy at the time Dolores was there was named Robert. When she was talking about the houseboy and the boy that was killed leaving the guest house and the guy who lived at the guest house--my lack of familiarity with the case caused me to get confused and in my mind I combined those 3 people. She did not say the person living in the guest house was killed and she was referring to the name Robert only as the houseboy that was at the house after the murders. My error caused all that confusion. She does not claim to have met Roman Polanski or that he gave her a tour of the house (I never said that in the listing but that has somehow become a point). Dolores is connected to the house via Rudi Altobelli and the two dogs Pepe and Pina. One emailer said my listing was a fraud because Rudi had one dog and it was named Christopher and Christopher was "never taken in by the police". I thought, if this is true--Dolores must be completely wrong. It took me only 60 seconds on the internet to find a photo of the police removing Christopher and carrying out 2 small dogs. Dolores told me Pepe (white) & Pina (chocolate brown) were little poodles that were in the guest house with Christopher. She said there were other pets but she doesn't know what happened to them. "Abigail Folger had a dog" but she never heard what happened to it. Dolores kept Pepe and Pina until they died. The emailer said Rudi Altobelli had been contacted regarding this listing and did not know Dolores. I asked Dolores again about this. She worked for Rudi Altobelli & his partner Stuart Cohen (I don't know the correct spelling of his name). She said "I have a photo of Rudi, Stuart & Jim Nabors on my sofa". She called back and said she couldn't find it but she did find of photo of her sitting at Rudi's desk holding either Pepe or Pina. I will try to add that photo to the listing in the next couple of days (I have to physically get it from Dolores). If Rudi was actually contacted he may have forgotten Dolores, but he knew her at one time. When I led the emailer to the photos of the dogs being removed by police she then suddenly knew their names and said they were not poodles but terriers named Prudence and Tom. She said that Debra Tate (Sharon's sister) kept Prudence and Tom--Abigail's dog, Debra found a home for. I think that there is room for both versions. Dolores told me there was at least one other dog and there may have been more (that Abigail had one for sure). Debra Tate is quoted as saying she doesn't know Dolores--why would she? Dolores never met Sharon or Roman Polanski. The emailer has even said that they doubt Dolores was an opera singer. I have another listing right now on eBay of WHERE magazine with Dolores on the cover regarding her appearance in an opera. I have been accused of trying to profit from the death of the vicitims. Frankly this accusation is hurtful but caused me to do some soul searching. In a certain light I must admit I am. Just like a TV show magazine show makes money off the death of someone when they air a program about a real murder or a newspaper with sensational headlines. Or perhaps in this case, more like the museum that charges people money to see relics from the wreck of the Titanic. Does that dishonor the memory of those who lost their lives on the doomed ship? In my opinion no. The museum has the right to show that exhibit and the public has the right to decide for themselves if they want to see it. Our society places a value on items connected to famous people. I guess that does exploit the person in a certain way but that is the history of the object. This birdcage came from a pile of trash being cleaned out of the house or guest house on Cielo Drive after the murders. That's its history. If I was making it up, believe me, I would have picked an item that had more universal appeal than an antique bird cage and definitely something easier and cheaper to mail. I value my perfect score on eBay--I've worked hard to earn it over the past 7 years. I definitely thought about removing this listing and taking the easy road, but I don't like being bullied when I have the right to do something. It is my right to list this item for sale and include its history. It is your right to think I'm out of line or not. It is not your right to bully me for my choice. I have every confidence this item is exactly as claimed. I stand by it and my freedom to sell it.

LAST REVISION--I soooo promise! I said Dolores had a photo of her holding one of the dogs inside Rudi Altobelli's Cielo Dr. house. It was taken during the time she worked for him and would come to the house and it is with Pepe. I'm adding it now to the listing. It doesn't show a lot of the room but it would be enough for Rudi to recognize if whoever passed the info along to him before would care to again.

And we have to remember people--it's just a birdcage!

foraplex sucks said...

i find it appauling that someone wants to profit from the sale of the birdcage

Peace Is Wheat said...

Thank You Col and Salem for the videos

Peace Is Wheat said...

Salem,
I would love to ask you a question ?
I admire the way The Col and you run the Blog.

Salem said...

Peace Is Wheat said...
Salem,
I would love to ask you a question ?
I admire the way The Col and you run the Blog.

7:22 AM, September 12, 2006
youre a trouble maker.
I have no part of running this blog and you know it!!!

foraplex sucks said...

i wonder if the birdcage will sell. i must have sent that person about 100 emails. hopefully he will cancel the sale.

poorspeck said...

I sent many an email too.
I even threatened to buy something and leave negative feedback if he doesn't pull the listing.
I had some friends from KTS do the same.

foraplex sucks said...

I'm going to do some more research on the person thats selling the birdcage. i'll try and find out where he lives and then post the information

Salem said...

birdcage protestor said...
i find it appauling that someone wants to profit from the sale of the birdcage

10:42 PM, September 11, 2006

I feel it so stoooopid to even talk about it.

foraplex sucks said...

why should he be allowed to profit from this? i want the birdcage taken off ebay.

poorspeck said...

Nobody has the right to sell anything from Cielo Drive, Nobody.
We won't allow it.

foraplex sucks said...

why cant this person just sell the picture of Dolores holding the dog in the cielo drive house instead.

why does he provoke everyone by trying to sell something that belonged to sharon?

he says the birdcage was in the guest house but it was once in the main house and was once the property of sharon marie tate

poorspeck said...

email me privately please

poorspeck said...

Seller has modified the birdcage listing many times.


Item Revisions summary for item #290027016306


The seller has revised the following item information:
Date Time Revised Information
Sep-08-06 09:07:08 PDT Description


Sep-08-06 10:11:45 PDT Description


Sep-08-06 10:30:47 PDT Description


Sep-08-06 11:07:27 PDT Description


Sep-08-06 16:33:03 PDT Description


Sep-09-06 15:41:48 PDT Description


Sep-10-06 20:55:44 PDT Description


Sep-11-06 07:21:49 PDT Description


Sep-11-06 20:09:04 PDT Description
PictureURL: Pictures Added/Deleted



The seller may make revisions at any time during the listing period. Please take note of the following:
If the seller's item has received NO bids or sales and does not end within 12 hours, the seller can:

Revise anything in their listing except the selling format (for example, the seller can't change their auction item to an eBay Stores item).

If the seller's item has already received a bid/purchase or ends within 12 hours, the seller can only:


Add to the item description, add item pictures, or add a second category.
(Exception: If the seller's listing already has a bid/purchase AND ends within 12 hours, the seller can't add to their description, add pictures, or add a second category.)
Add optional seller features to increase the item's visibility.

foraplex sucks said...

Just sent an email to the seller. I want Dolores' phone number so i can call her and get to the bottom of this. I have a number of questions for her.

JIMMYCROSSROADS said...

who cares about an effing bird cage that belonged to some dead people?
jimmy

YouTubeSalemlandBlog said...

I guess this Blog is over.All you see on it is You Tube Videos and Salem Posts.

What happened to Heaven and KTS ?
What happened to Monk ?
What happened to Savage ? What happened to Catscradle?

Col you had a great Blog ..when you taking back over?

P.S.Sick of Doris Tate,sick of the birdcage.

Synesthesiac said...

>>I guess this Blog is over.All you see on it is You Tube Videos and Salem Posts.<<

The blog isn't over, we just have somewhere else to be when retarded people show up. That you don't know about.

We want more vidz if the col has any and we all know that is not salem, or 60's, or Catz, but is instead mentally challenged people impersonating them.

So have fun, we are -- where you are not.


put that in your miscreant/777 folder and smoke it byotch

foraplex sucks said...

I cannot allow the sale of this birdcage to soil the memory of my beloved sharon. I can't live knowing that someone has profited from the events that took place at cielo drive.
I'm recruiting whoever i can to help stop the sale of this birdcage. It's wrong and it's immoral and I won't allow this to happen.

Salem can just buy the birdcage if she wants to and thats because she owns half of north carolina.

poorspeck said...

Unlike you who also goes by the name of Bebelestrange.

poorspeck said...

Only 23 hours 11 minutes left to go on the birdcage listing.

Birdcage Protestor, email me privately please.

Audio Magic said...

kts birdcage spy said...
Unlike you who also goes by the name of Bebelestrange.

12:23 PM, September 13, 2006
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Sorry, that was not me under Beebelastrange....I wasn't home that day

poorspeck said...

I think Curt Rowlett is behind this whole mess. Has anyone seen Satori lately who also goes by the name of Agnostic Monk?

foraplex sucks said...

Did you not mock me on YOUR blog?

>>>>HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A A MORE STUPID BLOG ICON. THIS IS ABOUT AS STUPID AS BEING TAPPED ON THE SHOULDER BY MRS. POLANKI, AT THE MOMENT SHE WAS MURDERED. YOU KNOW, PRINCESS DIANA WAS A SELF ADMITTED BULIMIC, AND A FLAMING NEUROTIC, TOO. NOT TO MENTION HER AFFAIR WITH THAT ARAB, DODI FAYED. LOOK AT HER FAT ARMS, AND HER SIGNATURE STUPID LOOK ON HER FACE. SHE HAD BAD HAIR, TOO. AND HOW ABOUT THAT LAND MINE BULL SHIT SHE PREDTENDED TO CARE ABOUT! LOL

AND THIS DUMMY PERSON LIKES JOHN F. KENNEDY, AND HILLARY CLINTON? SOMEBODY HAS FRICKEN ISSUES. SHE'S A PATHATIC, BACK-STABBER WHO SOUNDS LIKE PHYLLIS DILLER, ALONG WITH HER IDIOT FRIEND WHO THINKS ONE OF THE MANSON KILLERS SHOULD GET PAROLE. THIS DUMMY'S 'FRIEND' I JUST MENTIONED WASN'T EVEN BORN WHEN THE KILLINGS HAPPENED. SHE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THE 1960'S. UNFORTUNATELY, HER JAIL BIRD DRUGGIE EX IS ALL SHE CAN ATTRACT! HIM AND A CONVICTED MANSON KILLER. WHAT A COUPLE OF LUNATICS..... AHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA!<<<<<

Audio Magic said...

birdcage protestor said...
Did you not mock me on YOUR blog?

>>>>HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A A MORE STUPID BLOG ICON. THIS IS ABOUT AS STUPID AS BEING TAPPED ON THE SHOULDER BY MRS. POLANKI, AT THE MOMENT SHE WAS MURDERED. YOU KNOW, PRINCESS DIANA WAS A SELF ADMITTED BULIMIC, AND A FLAMING NEUROTIC, TOO. NOT TO MENTION HER AFFAIR WITH THAT ARAB, DODI FAYED. LOOK AT HER FAT ARMS, AND HER SIGNATURE STUPID LOOK ON HER FACE. SHE HAD BAD HAIR, TOO. AND HOW ABOUT THAT LAND MINE BULL SHIT SHE PREDTENDED TO CARE ABOUT! LOL

AND THIS DUMMY PERSON LIKES JOHN F. KENNEDY, AND HILLARY CLINTON? SOMEBODY HAS FRICKEN ISSUES. SHE'S A PATHATIC, BACK-STABBER WHO SOUNDS LIKE PHYLLIS DILLER, ALONG WITH HER IDIOT FRIEND WHO THINKS ONE OF THE MANSON KILLERS SHOULD GET PAROLE. THIS DUMMY'S 'FRIEND' I JUST MENTIONED WASN'T EVEN BORN WHEN THE KILLINGS HAPPENED. SHE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THE 1960'S. UNFORTUNATELY, HER JAIL BIRD DRUGGIE EX IS ALL SHE CAN ATTRACT! HIM AND A CONVICTED MANSON KILLER. WHAT A COUPLE OF LUNATICS..... AHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA!<<<<<
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You started it, 60's, and I will never know why you trashed me and kicked me to the curb....plus you associate yourself with sombody like this? I know you are naive but C'MON!

uncle ace
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Salem said...

kts birdcage spy said...
Unlike you who also goes by the name of Bebelestrange.

12:23 PM, September 13, 2006

THATS A LIE!
CB WAS NOT THAT PERSON. I DONT KNOW WHO THAT PERSON WAS. NOR DO I KNOW WHO I LUV SALEM IS. BUT I HAVE A IDEA NOW.
THE SAME ONES THAT ARE TRASHING THIS BLOG NOW.
FOR THE RECORD AS FAR AS HOW MUCH LAND I OWN ..WELL SOMEONE DOESNT KNOW WHAT A ACRE IS. 3,000 IS NOT HALF OF NC.
WHAT IGNORANCE!
(((((CB))))))
HANG IN THERE.
I KNOW THE TRUTH.
:)Dianne

Salem said...

Audio Magic said...
Oh, and by the way...Salem is my best friend and has stood by me for over 6 years. She would never trash up somebody's blog.
AM

12:20 PM, September 13, 2006

always Sis:) yanno I am always here.
You have been here for me. Thanks for helping me get my photo up also*
:)
now if miss prissy would come do dinner I would be happy!
:)

1969cielodrive said...

Salem don't waste your time defending yourself. You're above it. We all know this place is loaded with trolls.

Salem said...

1969cielodrive said...
Salem don't waste your time defending yourself. You're above it. We all know this place is loaded with trolls.

1:49 PM, September 13, 2006

thank you, I just hate LIES.
I wish people could stick to the subect instead of starting mudslinging.
Peace
and thanks.

Salem said...

kts birdcage spy said...
I think Curt Rowlett is behind this whole mess. Has anyone seen Satori lately who also goes by the name of Agnostic Monk?

12:34 PM, September 13, 2006

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
he hates trashing peoople. He's not into that crap like SOME people are.

Audio Magic said...

Anyone notice this? Bruce Davis got 120 days. You know what happens that same month? Thats the month Charles Manson has a parole hearing. Doesn't look good for Davis.

Salem said...

omg
It sure is!
:)

Salem said...

Charles Manson has been denied parole ten times. His last denial was in April 2002. His next parole hearing is scheduled for 2007.

so...adds up I think. or pretty darn close.

foraplex sucks said...

there is a buyer for the birdcage.

Sharon's ghost came to me in my sleep and told me that i must protest more.

i just emailed the buyer and told them that sharon does not want the birdcage to be sold.

Salem said...
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Salem said...

Altobelli had a weimaraner dog but there were also 2 poodles Pina & Pepe that she believes had been in the guest house with the wemaraner during the murders. Afterwards police took the dogs away and Ms. Davis was the one Altobelli called to rescue the poodles and reclaim them.

Col
Were any bloody paw prints found at the scene of the killings ? inside the house or out on the pavement?

Salem said...

sorry
I deleted one post. I didnt know there was a holding period on posting.
sorry!
Me:)

chasingbunnies said...

Salem said...>>Col
Were any bloody paw prints found at the scene of the killings ? inside the house or out on the pavement?<<

Yes, and they belonged to that dog named Susan Atkins.
cb

Joe said...

Salem asked: "Were any bloody paw prints found at the scene of the killings? inside the house or out on the pavement?"

BIG mystery! Not a word in the Homicide Investigation Report, Helter Skelter, or any of the trial testimony about the dogs -- which Garretson said were in and out of the guest house all night -- disturbing the scene or the bodies on the lawn. How could that be? When my kids scrape their knees the dogs in the neighborhood are immediately drawn to the blood. Smell and even lick their cuts as if they're ice cream. Can some forensic or animal specialist explain why those dogs wouldn't be traipsing blood all over the place?

Salem said...

((((((((CB)))))))
hey:)

I am just getting up again! at 12 13 pm!!!! darn light nite calls are *messing up* my schedule.
Oh ya, Susan dawg was there for sure...
I will try to call ya later ok.Big week end coming up.
:)

Pristash said...

The dogs were not allowed to run loose, if Garrettson let the dogs out at any time during the night, it was in a fenced in area right off of the guest house.

Salem said...

Pristash said...
The dogs were not allowed to run loose, if Garrettson let the dogs out at any time during the night, it was in a fenced in area right off of the guest house.

10:30 AM, September 15, 2006

ty
have a nice week end:)
Peace

Salem said...

joe said
BIG mystery! Not a word in the Homicide Investigation Report, Helter Skelter, or any of the trial testimony about the dogs -- which Garretson said were in and out of the guest house all night -- disturbing the scene or the bodies on the lawn. How could that be? When my kids scrape their knees the dogs in the neighborhood are immediately drawn to the blood. Smell and even lick their cuts as if they're ice cream. Can some forensic or animal specialist explain why those dogs wouldn't be traipsing blood all over the place?

8:43 AM, September 15, 2006
I think so too. I always wondered about that.
in the OJ crime, there were bloody prints from Nicoles dog. I might add that was a very smart dog also.
not to cjange tracks, biut to this day OJ makes me wamt to PUKE!
the killing Bastard!

Salem said...

when susan was asked about the knife ( she lost) at Tates home
and then she said *she thought the dog had taken it outside and buried it." ...
?????

Joe said...

Pristash said... "The dogs were not allowed to run loose, if Garretson let the dogs out at any time during the night, it was in a fenced in area right off of the guest house."


Few things in response:
1. I've never seen anything about a fenced in area in any of the diagrams, maps, photos, etc. of the yard -- or in the testimony.

2. What about the dog that as, Salem pointed out, allegedly took Susan's knife?

3. What about Abigail and Sharon's dogs? They weren't with Garretson in the back house.

4. Finally, and why the hell that same damn thing at LaBianca's? Two rambunctious dogs and no crime secene animal disturbance reported!

Salem said...

joe said
4. Finally, and why the hell that same damn thing at LaBianca's? Two rambunctious dogs and no crime secene animal disturbance reported!

9:54 AM, September 16, 2006

yes!
esp there. all the neighbors around.
very odd.