Like I said in the earlier post, this was during Bobby's hearing for a new trial.
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Q. I believe the best place for us to start is December 4. Do you recall that date?
A. Yes.
Q. And what happened on that date?
A. Starting when?
Q. Let’s say on December 4. Sometime on December 4, you made contact with a Lieutenant Brown; isn’t that correct?
A. He called me first –
Q. He called –
A. -- at work.
Q. And from that point, would you in a narrative from tell us what happened?
A. Yeah. He told me that there were a couple of people here from California that wanted to see me, and I was at work, and I asked them would it be okay if I called them up as soon as I got home from work. Okay, you know, and he said, yeah, that would be all right.
Q. Let me go back over that just a second. You say that a couple of people from
A. He didn’t say who it was at that time.
Q. Did he even imply to you with any words that it might be police officers?
A. I don’t really recall. I just know it was from the Sheriff’s Department.
Q. Do you recall exactly what he said to you on the phone, or any of what he said to you on the phone?
A. Actually, all I remember him saying is that there were a couple of people there from
Q. Okay. Proceed.
A. And then I told them I’d call them back at 4:30 when I got off work, and then I called two attorneys, neither of whom I could reach at the moment; and then I tried to have – I asked them to call me back; and before either of them called me back, Lieutenant Brown came to work to talk to my boss and arrange for me to get off right then and there – right then; and then he took me up to the Holiday Inn Restaurant to meet Mr. Guenther and Mr. – and Whiteley.
Q. When you first met with Lieutenant Brown, did he at any time read any rights to you?
A. No.
Q. When you left with Lieutenant Brown, did you have any inkling of who you were going to see?
A. He may have told me at that time, that it was a couple of people from the Sheriff’s Department.
Q. He might have; you’re not sure?
A. He did, either at work of on the way out to the restaurant.
Q. Once he had you in the car; is that correct?
A. Sometime between getting me out of the office at work and before we got to meet them, he told me about it.
Q. And then you said you arrived at the Holiday Restaurant?
A. Holiday Inn.
Q. The restaurant at the Holiday Inn?
A. Right.
Q. There you made the acquaintance of Sergeant Paul Whiteley and Deputy Guenther; is that right?
A. That’s right.
Q. From the Homocide Sheriff’s Department in
A. Right.
Q. From that point, would you proceed in your tesitmony?
A. First of all, they offered me a drink, and I took one. And I think it was Whiteley said that –
Q. Just a moment. You said they offered you a drink?
A. Yeah.
Q. Was that hard liquor?
A. Yes, that’s right.
Q. And you took a hard liquor drink?
A. And I took a hard liquor drink.
Q. So you took a drink. Did you have just one, or did you have –
A. I had two.
Q. You had two drinks?
A. That’s right.
Q. What were you drinking?
A. Manhattans, I believe.
Q. That’s a pretty powerful drink?
A. I believe so.
Q. Did it make you high at all?
A. Yeah.
Q. In other words, you’re not accustomed to drinking?
A. I don’t hardly ever drink.
Q. And then while you were drinking these Manhattans what did Deputy Guenther and Sergeant Whiteley say to you?
A. They said that they had found my fingerprints at the Hinman house. That they had witnesses who had definitely placed me in a stolen car.
Q. Did they name those witnesses?
A. No.
Q. Not at that time?
A. Not ever. Not ever, but a stolen car. He said that you had been doing a lot of talking about me and Sadie was doing a lot of talking about me.
Q. Let me go back to this a little bit. You say, ‘They’ told you. Who was speaking?
A. Whiteley most of the time.
Q. That is Sergeant Whiteley? That is that man there in the green coat?
A. Yes.
MR. BEAUSOLEIL: Will the record so reflect that she is pointing to Sergeant Whiteley from Homocide.
THE COURT: Yes, it may.
BY MR. BEAUSOLEIL:
Q. And he told you, he mentioned my name to you, in other words?
A. Yes.
Q. And he mentioned Sadie’s name?
A. Yes.
Q. Sadie Mae Glutz?
A. Yes.
Q. Susan Denise Atkins?
A. Yes. He was probably calling her Susan most of the time.
Q. Did he sometimes say Sadie, too?
A. I don’t really recall.
Q. And in what way did he say that I was using your name?
A. Like saying that I committed the Hinman murder. That you were putting the blame of the Hinman murder on me.
Q. Did he say that I was putting all the blame on you?
A. He never really got specific about it.
Q. But he said I was putting the blame on you?
A. Yes.
Q. What about Sadie, did he say Sadie also was putting the blame on you?
A. He didn’t really say anything to – he just said that you two were putting me responsible in a large part for the Hinman murder. I don’t know how much of a part.
Q. Now, let me backtrack a little bit. Before you had a conversation with – before Sergeant Whiteley began speaking to you along those lines that you have just been testifying to, neither one of the officers, Sergeant Guenther, Sergeant Whiteley, or Lieutenant Brown, either, had read any rights to you; is that correct?
A. That’s right.
Q. Proceed.
A. I don’t really know where I was at.
Q. You testified that Sergeant Whiteley was telling you that I had put all the blame – that I had put the blame on you; isn’t that correct?
A. That’s correct.
Q. And Sadie had also done that?
A. And Sadie had done that, and he said that he knew that you had done the murder and that I knew – he told me that I knew that had done the murder and that in exchange for my telling him about you killing Gary I would get immunity, I’d get my probation dropped, me restitution dropped, I could get custody of the baby again.
Q. What did he tell you the consequences were if you did not give him the statement?
A. If I didn’t give him a statement my probation would be violated. I’d be arrested for
Q. You said – what was that again? Could you tell us exactly what happened? You said something to the effect that you could forget about seeing Bear?
A Seeing the baby.
Q. First, Bear, who’s Bear?
A. My son.
Q. Your son, and how old is your son?
A. Two years.
Q. Is that his nickname, Bear?
A. That’s right.
Q. Is that just part of the nickname or is that a complete nickname?
A. Oh, he’s got other nicknames.
Q. Would you tell the Court the nicknames of the child.
A. His full name is Sunstone.
Q. And the last name?
A. Sunstone Hawk.
Q. And he was referred to, at least when he was an infant, as Pooh Bear; isn’t that correct?
A. That’s right.
MR. KATZ: Perhaps, your Honorm for the record, could we have the spelling by Miss Brunner of those names?
MR. BEAUSOLEIL: I’ll spell it.
THE COURT: Spell the names of the baby for the record.
THE WITNESS: S-u-n-s-t-o-n-e H-a-w-k.
BY MR. BEAUSOLEIL:
Q. And Pooh Bear, would you spell Pooh Bear, please:
A. That is spelled a lot of different ways. Some people spell it P-o-o-h
B-e-a-r and some P-u B-e-a-r.
Q. I hope Mr. Katz is satisfied. Now, you say Sergeant Whiteley said something to the effect that you could forget about seeing Bear. Would you in more detail tell us what was going on.
A. Well it’s like the Court already has custody of him and I just won’t get it again.
Q. Now, in reference to not being able to see Bear, you were also told before this that you might be charged with murder, is that correct?
A. That’s right.
Q. Was there anything implied between the murder charge and the custody of the child?
A. The two sort of go hand in hand.
Q. Could you tell me how Sergeant Whiteley or Deputy Guenther, whoever it was telling you this, put them hand in hand, if they did?
A. If I’m arrested for murder, I’m going to the
Q. Is that pretty much a quote?
A. That is a rephrasing.
Q. Rephrasing, but that is what they told you; is that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. Was there any other conversation – let me ask you – I’ll withdraw that last question. Did either officer get emotional during that conversation?
A. Guenther – at one time Whiteley left the room and Guenther got quite emotional and I got crying.
Q. Did you get emotional, too?
A. I started to cry, yes.
Q. What was Deputy Charles Guenther saying to you? What was he doing when he got emotional?
A. He was – he was telling me how wonderful they were being, really trying to save me from a mess and how you people were putting things on me and how rotten everyone out here had been, you know, how – about what you were supposed to have done with Gary, and it was – and he was just telling me how hard they were trying to see to it that I could stay back East and start a new life, you know, that sort of business, and, you know, get my son and how I really ought to go along with them.
Q. You stated several times they mentioned your son. Did they mention your son several times?
A. They did because they know how a baby would affect me.
Q. A reference to how you feel about your child, how do you feel about your child? Let me rephrase the question. You love your child very much, don’t you?
A. Yes.
Q. I would imagine he probably means more to you than anything else in the world; isn’t that correct?
A. Than most anything else.
Q. Anything means more to you?
A. Yeah.
Q. Could you tell the Court what it is?
A. It means more to me, Bobby, that I undo what I did to you.
Q. When you say that – to undo, what you did, what you did, did you not tell the truth at that time?
A. That’s right.
Q. I’ll continue. I’ll go back to where you were and we were talking about how you felt about your child. You love him dearly; isn’t that correct?
A. That’s right.
Q. You’d do what you could to protect him from any kind of harm; wouldn’t you?
A. Yes.
Q. Just about anything?
A. Just about. Just about.
Q. You feel it is the best thing for him to be in the custody of his mother?
A. Yes.
Q. At this time, or do you think he would be better – it would be better for him if he was in your custody?
A. You said in the custody of his mother, that’s me.
Q. I’m sorry. In the custody of your mother.
A. Right at this moment, you know, there is nothing that – you know, I tried to change that but I wouldn’t because it was stopped.
Q. What do you mean by it was stopped?
A. I tried to get custody back of him but I couldn’t.
Q. That was promised to you; is that correct?
A. No, this was last December I tried but it was stopped from this end. It was okayed by the Social Work Department but it was stopped by someone else.
Q. Do you know who that someone else is?
A. No one volunteered that they did it, no. I can imagine who did it.
7 comments:
Mary was PRESSURIZED into sticking with the story? Well no wonder she is still so wierd today....
Deadwood-
For now.
That's what everyone said during the Reich
Salem said...
Pristash said...
Mary was PRESSURIZED into sticking with the story? Well no wonder she is still so wierd today....
7:34 AM, September 21, 2006
HI Pristash
Mary isnt weird. I dont understand the comment.
Peace
My apologies, Salem! My bad...I was thinking of Sandy, not Mary...haven't seen any videos of late of Mary to form an opinion on how wierd or not she is. My comment really was about the use of the word PRESSURIZED. Instead of saying that Mary was pressured into cooperating he said she was PRESSURIZED into cooperating...and it brought up for me images of Mary being miniaturized and shrink wrapped like a pound of coffee in the grocery store.
Peace to you, and all.
If you must post can you make sense?
Or at least be funnier?
Salem, you make me very angry, and I am not an angry person. I have watched you attack one person after another and you just keep going. Like the energizer bunnie, but evil. This blog has lost the great people like my beloved cat, my friend 60's, the awesome Monk, the beautiful Heaven and even the dreaded Savage is gone. There are many more. Leave Deadwood alone, post about the topic at hand and stop making attacks.
Col, I love you blog, I wont let this psychotic multipersonality used douch bag run me out. I am sorry for being foul, I am sick from Salem and from Chemo and I can't hold my tongue...and I miss my friends who are now gone...
P.S. here come the posts from salem friend defending her, who by the way are her, so just ignore them deadwood and pristash
I'm still around Dok, I just don't post as much... How are you feeling? Been so long since I spoke with ya. I hope all is well with you...
=)
Hey Dok, my thoughts are with you and yours... wondered where you had gone to
Deb
thanks for the videos and the transcripts Col.
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