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Why is it that all these KTS groups cannot handle facts and want to show what very small minds they have. Dianne and Louisa, two yentas at the MANSON X Yahoo group, started to defend the moron known as White Rabbitt. They accused me of being Bret, the great owner of the Best Damn Manson Website On the Web, see link to the right. I corrected them and they sent this hilarious reply. Must suck to know that they have zero friends and no knowledge about life, much less the case--
Dianne, as you can see from
man with a high level of testosterone who really is not in control of
his hormones just yet. I think they refer to that as puberty.
Diane is right, it really doesn't make much sense to argue with a
child like
to be respectful of others.
I'm not defending White Rabbitt. I do know a little bit about his
personal history but kick someone when they're down is just not how i
was raised. You can see that he made some very personal and very open
comments that i'm not going to repeat. He obviously thinks nothing
about physically assaulting women.
who has to twist arms and make threats to get attention.
White Rabbitt of doing the same. I've never heard of instances where
White Rabbitt has gotten Vulgar so perhaps this is one of
childish ways of causing issues for him. I can't say.
Diane runs this forum and whether she decides to let people like
person that has no respect for women and, if he were to go away, I
think that we would all be better off for it.
I'm sad to say that the Colonel sounds more like a buck private that
just straight out of boot camp; green and untested and has an overly
high opinion of himself. His arrogance is quite obvious and that's
usually caused by inexperience.
I still haven't seen an APOLOGY from
assume that he's not MAN enough to admit when he's wrong.
Oh Well, that's why i say that most men are pigs :-)
I'm sorry i had to take this tone, but you can tell that this is a
very touchy subject for me.

- Best Friends with Cass Elliott, Mamas and Papas Member
- Drug Dealer tight in the LA music and film scene
- Dealt drugs to Frykowski and Sebring INDEPENDENTLY of each other.
- Arrested with two others as suspects in the five Murders committed at
- Several “customers” fingered him as potentially the killer.
- John Phillips, the musical leader of Mamas and Papas, told police the bloody writing on the door probably stood for PIC.
- Passed a polygraph from LAPD which nevertheless held him as a suspect.
- Lived with Cass in a house less than two blocks from where Lotsapoppa freaking lived.
- Supposedly the recipient of the $5,000 Kasabian stole from Bob Melton. Linda to
- Was the son of a State Department official (Secretary to the State Department Attache in







| Santa Anas whip up Valley firestorm |
| 2 homes destroyed; Bell, Box canyons ordered evacuated |
| By Susan Abram and Josh Kleinbaum, Staff Writers LA Daily News |
| CHATSWORTH - Hundreds of northwest San Fernando Valley residents were driven from their homes Wednesday night as the season's first serious brush fire raged across ridges and through canyons, fanned by searing Santa Ana winds. More than 700 firefighters battled the fast-moving brush fire, one of a series that flared up in the eastern Ventura County and Santa Clarita Valley areas. Towering orange flames lit up the region and a massive cloud of smoke was pushed southward by powerful winds. Two homes were destroyed and dozens of others were threatened as residents of Bell Canyon and Box Canyon were ordered to evacuate. Many sought refuge at Canoga Park High School and others hauled horses to safety at Pierce College. The Ronald Reagan Freeway was closed as the 3,500 acre fire engulfed it on both the north and south sides in Chatsworth, causing massive traffic jams across the Valley. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who cut short a terrorism simulation meeting in Lake Arrowhead to meet with fire officials in Chatsworth, praised the city's response to the blaze and the cooperation with other city and county agencies. "We have 700 personnel (fighting the fire) ... and we should have about 1,000 tomorrow, and if we need more, we'll have more than that in the morning," Villaraigosa told KCAL news from the fire line. "The sky is bright orange, and the last time we looked, we had emergency vehicles outside the house," Margaret Douglas said as she packed up family photos and her favorite artwork before evacuating her Bell Canyon home. One home destroyed in Box Canyon belonged to George Feo, who managed to escape as flames engulfed his house. "It caught fire while I was inside," he said in a cell-phone conversation captured by KCAL (Channel 9) "I was loading as much as I could (in the car) and I could see the flames in the house. We got out. I'm glad we got out." Victoria Manos, a 30-year resident of Bell Canyon who has lived through a number of evacuations, drove to the West Hills baseball field, where neighbors gathered to wait it out. "We didn't know we only had five minutes to get out. It was just enough time to pick up my dog and my cat, which isn't that good because I usually take photographs and documents and this time I couldn't." After the heavy growth of vegetation from last winter's near-record rainfall, authorities had warned repeatedly that the fire danger would be extremely high this summer and fall - warnings that prompted many residents to clear brush near their homes and prevent even more serious problems Wednesday, according to firefighters. With the season's first hot Santa Ana winds, officials' predictions came true with a vengeance as brush fires flared across Ventura, Riverside and San Bernardino counties, as well as the Valley. The Chatsworth fire - the day's most dangerous - started about 1:45 p.m. near Topanga Canyon Boulevard and the 118 Freeway and scorched hundreds of acres on its steady march over the Santa Susana Pass and hugging the county line along the canyons. A thick plume of smoke was visible from the Los Angeles Basin and ash from the fire was falling as far away as Westlake Village. As of late Wednesday, the fire was only 5 percent contained and officials did not yet know what had caused it. While weather forecasters said temperatures would cool and winds would die down, fire officials were still concerned about the winds and the likelihood that they would continue today. "We're going to be fighting this from the air and the ground, but we're going to be at the mercy of the winds," said John Mancha, a Los Angeles County fire inspector. "It's still going to be hot and we're still going to have the winds out there." Firefighters, aided by water-dropping helicopters, faced one dramatic moment after another as they tried to protect property and save lives. "The winds were so bad, you could see the flames jumping," said Kim McQuestion, who has lived in the Rocky Peak area for 17 years. "My friend who lives up there and was watering his front lawn said the flames had come up to the front door. And just as he said that, a helicopter dropped water on him." Residents who voluntarily evacuated the area gathered at Canoga Park High. Traffic quickly backed up on surface streets and other freeways as motorists struggled to find alternate routes home. Residents of homes in Chatsworth's rugged canyons lined Topanga Canyon Boulevard and spilled into local neighborhoods, anxiously watching the flames burning across the crest of the hills. "The challenge is that the terrain out there is all rock," Los Angeles County fire Inspector Andrew Olvera said. One firefighter, who was struck in the back by a falling 30-pound boulder as he battled the flames, was listed in stable condition at a local hospital. He was expected to be released late Wednesday. In southeastern Ventura County, a midday blaze of unknown origin raced over 30 acres of brush in Moorpark, closing night classes at the nearby community college. No structure losses or injuries were reported and the fire was fully contained shortly after 2 p.m., said Ventura County Fire Department spokeswoman Michele Faina. Today should see highs in the upper 90s in the Valley, slightly lower than Wednesday, and winds should fall to about 15 mph, a National Weather Service forecaster said. The Chatsworth fire was the first major brush fire in the San Fernando Valley this year, and it gave residents a stark reminder of the 2003 fire season, when wildfires burned through much of Southern California over a 10-day period. Ten major wildfires burned in five counties in October and November 2003, engulfing nearly 750,000 acres, burning 3,626 homes and 1,184 outbuildings, and killing 22 people. "It was in my backyard," Lisa Ryan of Simi Valley recalled of the 2003 fires. "I feel horrible; all these people are displaced. They're having to watch their homes burn to the ground. I know what they're going through. This is very sad." The fire near Moorpark College closed the college and threatened some nearby homes, but resulted in no structural damage or injuries, said Faina. That blaze broke out at Pecan Avenue. About 200 emergency personnel and two helicopters were on scene fighting that fire. At one point, Metrolink trains on the Ventura County line were ordered to slow to 20 mph between the Chatsworth fire and an area about one mile east of Simi Valley, a Metrolink spokeswoman said. Trains normally travel between 50 mph and 70 mph, meaning there will be delays of about 15 minutes on the line, she said. |

Other Manson disciples who are in prison have usually been denied reconsideration of parole for two-to-five years each time they appeared.
Sandi Gibbons, spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, said prosecutor Patrick Sequeira argued at the hearing Tuesday that Davis should be kept behind bars because of the heinous nature of the crimes.
Davis, now 62, was convicted along with Manson and others in the stabbing death of musician Gary Hinman in his Topanga Canyon home, and the slaying of Donald "Shorty" Shea, a one-time stuntman who lived at the Spahn movie ranch where Manson set up his commune. Shea's remains were later found buried near the ranch in Chatsworth.
Davis, who has been denied parole more than 20 times, was not involved in the 1969 murders of pregnant actress Sharon Tate, grocery store chain owner Leno LaBianca and his wife, Rosemary, and four other people. Manson and three women were convicted in those slayings. Davis surrendered on his murder charges during their trial and was tried later along with Manson and other defendants.




Oscar-winning director Roman Polanski unveiled his latest film Oliver Twist admitting he was glad he had finally made a film his children could watch.
Speaking at a news conference ahead of the world premiere in Prague, the city where he filmed the 19th century Charles Dickens tale, Polanski said it was his wife who had mooted the idea of remaking Oliver Twist as he searched for a children's project after making the Oskar-winning movie The Pianist.
"My children like coming to watch me working but the result of my work escapes them. So I started looking for a subject that would be suited to them and with which they could identify," he said.
French-born Polanski said it was important that children realised life was not like that portrayed in fairytales and admitted he did not much discuss with his children his own childhood in a Polish Jewish ghetto, where he moved at a young age with his parents.
"I wanted to show them a world beyond our comfortable appartment. But I don't sit down with them and say 'this is how it was for me'. I don't dwell on it; I don't think it's healthy, I don't think it's necessary," he said.
"Maybe this is the kind of film that gives children something to think about. When I was a youth I liked to think about films after (seeing them at) the cinema," he added.
The film stars 11-year-old British actor Barney Clark as Oliver and Ben Kingsley as Fagan.
"Oliver Twist is a story of a boy who is swept (along) by adversity and who at the end manages to escape all the dangers. At the same time he does not lead destiny, destiny leads him," said the prolific creator of celebrated motion pictures as "Chinatown", "Rosemary's Baby" and "Tess" as well as "The Pianist".
Polanski said 19th century British literature had a very important relevance to today's universe and highlighted the period's writers' "fascination with the banal elements that influence our destiny".
"Human life is an endless series of such movements," he said.


The gun didn't fire, but she was sentenced to life in prison for her crime.
No woman had ever attempted to assassinate a U.S. president.
Time and Newsweek put her on their covers.
The slender red-haired figure, who once shaved her head, gouged an "X" into her forehead and wore a crimson robe as a show of fervent devotion to convicted mass murderer Charles Manson, spent almost half her life in federal penitentiaries.
Fromme, now 56, is rarely heard from.
She hasn't been photographed in years.
Yet for those who remember the turbulent '60s and '70s in America, "Squeaky" Fromme is synonymous with Manson and his cult "family" and remains one of the most infamous, and enigmatic, female felons in the U.S. prison system.
This woman, who briefly escaped from a lockup in Alderson, W.Va., in 1987 -- she heard rumors that Manson was dying of cancer and wanted to see him -- has quietly served the past seven years behind the high fences and razor wire of the Federal Medical Center Carswell in Fort Worth.
Fromme became eligible for parole in 1985.
Unlike several of Manson's former disciples who remain in prison, she has chosen not to seek her release.
Why?
"Your question is reasonable and straightforward, but my answer is likely to only create more questions," Fromme replied in a recent letter to the Star-Telegram.
"No parole hearing has been held for me, because I haven't requested one. I stood up and waved a gun [at Ford] for a reason. I was so relieved not to have to shoot it, but, in truth, I came to get life. Not just my life but clean air, healthy water and respect for creatures and creation."
A prisoner serving life in a federal institution for a crime committed before 1984 is entitled by law to a mandatory parole hearing after 30 years.
But an inmate can waive that hearing and apply for release at a later date, according to the U.S. Parole Commission.
In her two-page letter, penned on lined paper in elegant cursive, Fromme wrote about the majesty of ancient California redwoods and respectfully spoke the name of one of America's most notorious criminals.
"Manson," inmate No. 06075-180 wrote, "told me he could give me a natural world ..."
Manson meet-up
Evicted from her home by a workaholic, authoritarian father, she found herself alone and adrift on the Venice Beach boardwalk in 1967. Fromme, 18, was staring at the ocean when they met.
In his biography Squeaky, author Jess Bravin wrote:
"He spoke in a strange, scratchy, flat Midwestern male voice. . . . 'What's the problem?' "
"What she beheld was an unkempt elflike man in a cap. He looked, she thought, like a hobo with a touch of class.
"Up in the Haight [the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco], I'm called the Gardener," he said by way of explanation. "I tend to all the flower children."
This middle-class Southern California teen, who was attending her first semester at a local junior college but who now had nowhere to go, impulsively picked up her few belongings and followed him.
Manson became a messianic figure for a hippie-era group of disaffected youth that lived for a time at an old movie-set ranch outside Los Angeles. His name came to symbolize evil after he was convicted of orchestrating the bizarre, execution-style slayings of actress Sharon Tate, who was eight months pregnant, and six others in Beverly Hills in August 1969. Fromme wasn't implicated in what came to be known as the Tate-LaBianca killings.
"Why he didn't ask her to come along [on the two murderous nights], I don't know," said Vincent Bugliosi, the Manson trial prosecutor and author of the true-crime bestseller Helter Skelter. "Squeaky was the No. 1 girl. Whenever Manson left the ranch, she was in charge. Maybe he thought she didn't have it in her.
"Turns out," Bugliosi said, referring to her assault on President Ford, "she did."
Manson and three of his handmaidens -- Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten -- received death sentences during their trial in 1971. Charles "Tex" Watson also was convicted in a separate trial. Their sentences were commuted to life in prison after the California Supreme Court struck down the state's capital punishment statute in 1972.
With Manson locked away, Fromme became the acting head of the family. She and another follower, Sandra Good, formed the International People's Court of Retribution, a fictional organization intended to frighten corporate executives into believing that they were on a terrorist hit list for polluting the environment. Good was later convicted for sending death threats through the mail and served 10 years in prison.
Fromme wrote her name into history on Sept. 5, 1975. The Manson "nun" dressed in a ceremonial red robe and slipped a borrowed .45-caliber pistol into a holster strapped to her left leg. As Ford greeted well-wishers outside the California statehouse, Fromme pointed the weapon at the president from a distance of two feet. A Secret Service agent wrestled away the gun and handcuffed her.
In his autobiography, A Time To Heal, Ford wrote, "Squeaky Fromme, I thought, was an aberration. There had been misfits and kooks in every society since the beginning of time. I didn't think California harbored a larger number of these people than any other part of the country, so I wasn't overly concerned about my personal safety when I returned to the state on Sept. 19."
On Sept. 22 -- 17 days after Fromme confronted Ford -- 45-year-old Sara Jane Moore fired a revolver at the president in San Francisco. A bystander deflected her aim. Ford was unhurt.
Fromme's inquest began two months after her arrest.
"I've never been in a trial like it," recalled John Virga, Fromme's court-appointed attorney.
His client claimed she could not be tried fairly unless allowed to call Manson as a witness. "Your Honor," Fromme said,
". . . it's going to get bloody if they are not allowed to speak."
Judge Tom MacBride refused to give Manson a public platform from which to rant about the injustice of his murder conviction or to preach his apocalyptic vision.
Fromme boycotted most of the court proceedings.
Virga argued during the three-week trial that Fromme had no intention of shooting the president and only wanted publicity for her concerns about the environment and efforts to free Manson. Her weapon had four bullets in the clip, but the chamber was empty. To fire the pistol, the defendant would first have had to pull back the slide on the gun, forcing a bullet into the chamber.
"If she had wanted to kill Ford, she would have killed him. Absolutely," Virga said, 30 years later.
The jury deliberated for three days. Fromme became the first person convicted under a special federal law covering assaults on U.S. presidents that was enacted after the 1963 assassination of John F. Kennedy.
At sentencing, as U.S. Attorney Duane Keyes recommended severe punishment because Fromme was "full of hate and violence," the defendant hit him with an apple.
"I didn't know what it was at first," Virga recalled. "I was standing between them. Fromme took a step to the right and let it fly. Nolan Ryan couldn't have thrown a more perfect strike. Hit Duane right between the eyes. His glasses flew off. After that, guys in [Keyes'] office started giving him a box of apples for Christmas.
"She's very bright, an intelligent, pleasant woman," Virga said of the defendant, whom he hasn't spoken with since the trial. "She's anything but crazy. When you talk with her, everything is fine until you mention Manson. Then it's like the guy who is perfectly normal until he hears 'Kokomo, Indiana.' Then he is off and running . . ."
From the bench, the judge, who died in 2000 at age 85, addressed the defendant. "I believe the only way to deter you . . . is to separate you from the society with which you cannot agree and the society from which you've already crossed yourself out, by your own admission, by the X on your forehead . . .
"It is the sentence of this court that you be imprisoned for the term of your natural life."
A cell in Fort Worth
The federal prison sits alone, off Desert Storm Road, adjacent to the Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth.
It is a sober structure, a fortress, painted institutional gray. Coils of concertina wire gleam like silver bracelets in the sun.
FMC Carswell, which opened in 1994, has an inmate population of 1,411.
Thirty-one prisoners are serving life sentences.
The facility also serves as the Bureau of Prisons' major medical psychiatric referral center for female inmates. Fromme is segregated from the general prison population, housed in the institution's Administrative Unit, the nation's maximum-security unit for female prisoners.
Deborah Denham, FMC Carswell executive assistant, said the 43-bed unit provides a "controlled setting" for inmates with a history of escapes or attempted escapes and those involved in repeated incidents of assaultive or predatory behavior.
Fromme has crossed the country, moving from prison to prison. Four years into her sentence she struck another inmate with a claw hammer inside a federal lockup in Pleasanton, Calif. She went to Alderson, where Martha Stewart served five months. The system moved her to Lexington, Ky., and later to Marianna, Fla.
She came to Carswell on May 21, 1998.
Her world is a two-person cell, measuring about 8 feet by 12 feet. Her wardrobe is a drab khaki uniform.
Like other inmates in her unit who are physically able to work, she earns from 12 to 40 cents an hour and is assigned to one of the prison work details -- orderly, library clerk, laundry room, food service.
She is allowed to watch a community television and has access to the unit's recreation yard.
All incoming mail is opened by staff and checked for contraband.
Manson, who is 70 and being held inside a California state prison, has reportedly received more mail than any other criminal in U.S. history. Web sites that sell crime collectibles and memorabilia offer an assortment of Manson family items, including Manson's parole hearing videos (his application for release has been denied 10 times) and strands of the criminal's hair.
"Manson hand-written letter initialed CM in Manson's own blood! One of a kind, $2,500."
One Web site offers a collection of knives reportedly owned by Fromme and Sandra Good.
Last year Fromme made it to the Broadway stage. In the musical Assassins, actress Mary Catherine Garrison, as Fromme, sang a love song with an actor portraying John Hinkley, who stalked actress Jodie Foster and shot President Reagan.
Today, Bugliosi is writing a book about the JFK assassination. He said he doubts Fromme will ever leave prison, "especially since she has refused to renounce Manson. She's a hard-core member of the group."
Fromme's biographer has his own view.
"To get paroled you have to say you're sorry, you did wrong," Bravin said. "For her, [an apology] may be too high a price. She has said all along she did not intend to kill Ford. Staying in prison is a way of remaining true to her position."
In her 35-line letter to the Star-Telegram, Fromme wrote: "California redwoods are living monuments to centuries past. Standing beneath those trees you know you are a part of something bigger and older than yourself.
"Manson told me he could give me a natural world. Almost forty years ago he told me that money should work as hard for people as people work for money. He was talking about air and water, land and life.
"I don't know how it can be done so I'm just waiting. I would work hard for and invest in a world like that because it would support not just me but the continuum of generations to come.
"I can't say what I will decide to do in the future, but for now I'm here."
"No parole hearing has been held for me because I haven't requested one. I stood up and waved a gun [at Ford] for a reason ..."



The owner of the blog---http://tatelabianca.blogspot.com/
and the MOLE that is in this group for putting US on your front page..
You are right I do not know all there is to know about Manson and the family-- I dont HAVE to know everything or anything...but at least I know what a gramma is-- gramma =female and grampa=male,what a dunce you are for not knowing the difference I am not a HE.
I am an owner of several CRIME RELATED groups,doesnt mean I know about everyone of the criminals that are being convicted..
But I am glad you have nothing else to do in your sad little world that you have to have someone join a group just so YOU can get discussions in YOURS.. How sad!!But hey-- feel free to do so-- just like you can take things from here-- I can take things from there and post here..
If you are against Manson and Family why not join Killed the Sixties?? ---http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KILLEDTHESIXTIES/
or view here:
http://users.adelphia.net/~mansonmurders/
Now you have a really great day-- and keep me on the front page-- I feel so honored.....
cg (female)