Saturday, September 01, 2012

Where Are We Now, Hey What?


¶ I mentioned on EvilLiz that I question whether or not Rosemary ever really left a $2 million dollar estate. I can find no record of this. Author Tom O'Neill mentioned that he had been unable to confirm any such thing. I wonder if that has changed or if his book is going to come out.

¶ Claire Watkins, Little Paul's daughter has written a book BATTLEBORN. It is really good. Limited insight into TLB but a strong writer.

¶ I hear Bugliosi remains gravely ill. We will pray for his recovery and repentance.

¶ I hear that Clem is in a new band.

¶ I hear Nelson's sons are now grown up and successful.

¶ In shocking news, neither Orca nor Robin have accepted my Lie Detector challenge.

Happy Labor Day whatever that is.

27 comments:

Marliese said...

If Rosemary was worth two million dollars, would she have been living in circumstances where reportedly she was concerned about security, and unhappy with neighbors and the area? Somehwere i read they both "desperately" wanted to get away from Waverly, then why didn't they, if she had two million dollars? Was it projected worth?

It's said she invested in the stock market...where did she get the kind of money she'd have needed to invest that would have brought millions in returns in such a short period of time? It's not like winning the lottery...it can take years to double an investment, especially in the market back then.

I'm sure her clothing truck/carriage was very successful though...I know those types of businesses could be very successful. In LA in the late 80's, we used to buy designer clothes...blazers and suits..leftovers from the high end dept store buyers...we called it 'off the truck'...we loved it when we knew 'the truck' was coming. It was fun...this was before the outlets and overstock business...so i believe that business was probably very successful for her, and then she moved on to a retail store, but millions of 1960's dollars, in a relatively short period of time? I don't know.

And if she had plenty of money... a couple million in the 60's was a life time of income, would they have given up the Woking Way house and moved back to Waverly? Huge difference in value and life style. It's been said i think that they were in over their heads with the Woking Way house...financially and maintenance-wise.

After the debts were paid and the estate settled, did her son and daughter live as though they'd each inherited several hundred thousand dollars? When all was finished, was it real money?

I wish people would stop saying she was selling drugs, bringing it on goods and wigs...and that Tex sold wigs and on and on, there is nothing substantial there...just a bunch of made up stuff...so hurtful to her memory.

Re Clem...if he is in a new band, i hope he's not playing around children. I know he did his time etc etc, good for him, but he's still a convicted murderer, a jury believed he should die for his crimes....that isn't something he can just seal away from his background, and he likely knows information he's never revealed about other crimes and murders, and then the exposing himself to children...he walked away from a state hospital when he was prosecuted for that, so there are serious crimes in his background, and he isn't immune from the same screening anyone else would be subjected to, so i'd be interested in knowing if he was working around children.

And Debra and friends...they were all mouth back when Restless Souls was released...the trolls in full attack mode, talking about accountability, so where are they now to answer questions brought from what they initiated? All show and no go.

blipcrotch said...

A possible simple explanation: Leno placed significant assets in his wifes name for the usual reasons that people make those kinds of arrangements.

Matt said...

Simple explanation, but where is the escrow record?

Marliese said...

Is it known if there was a probate proceeding? If there was, the record would be public, no?

I think today, if her personal estate was under $100,000, probate wouldn't be required...not sure about 1969 rules...

Be interesting to know if there are any public documents...

Marliese said...

So the question is what was the source of the first report that Rosemary was worth two million...and back to the original comment...has there ever been any confirmation?

blipcrotch said...

There was a newspaper clipping of a court proceeding that cielodrive produced, so there does seem to be some basis for this figure. It was posted it over at eviliz I think.

Cielodrive just has the clipping though and is not sure which news paper the clipping is from.

Marliese said...

Thanks, blipcrotch. So there was no will...is that right? The article says that court documents revealed an estate of two million dollars, a judge appointed Rosemary's daughter executor of the estate, with exact figures not revealed in open court.

So it's still a supposed value of two million....according to the article, and i wonder if the actual figures included joint assets she held with Leno?

Is there a similar court record for Leno's assets/debts?

Thanks for the info.

Marliese said...

So after Suzan was finished paying debts and liquidating everything...doing whatever an executor is supposed to do...wonder how much, if anything, was left and how it was distributed?

blipcrotch said...

Here's a thread on another blog that posts some of the documents in question:

http://truthontatelabianca.com/threads/repost-of-labianca-papers-relating-to-their-estate.5043/#post-65384

daniel said...

People into illegal things don't usually claim the entire amount they are worth.

If they didn't know how to hide things like that, they wouldn't be doing it in the first place.

Dealing doesn't mean stupid.

Just my guess.

eviliz said...

Colonel please e-mail me. Ty
1967mansonfamily@gmail.com

Marliese said...

Liz...such a beautiful photo of Rosemary on your blog! She was beautiful.

ST. Circumstance said...

Clem was actually not given the Death Penalty like the rest of them- the judge actually found him not responsible for his own actions on the same level as the others- as he was too " Stupid and hopped up on drugs"....

as I have said- he was not as stupid as everyone thought apparently.

Also- I can tell you for sure that Being Worth X amount of money and having X amount of money in on hand spendable cash are not the same thing at all....

a long time New York times best seller called " the millionaire next door" would open your eyes to the fact that MOST wealthy people- dont live in an overtly flamboyant way....

Beverly Hills and L.A. are very bad examples- but its very true. the Smartest and wealthiest among us do not live above there means- or spend the bulk of there wealth on homes or cars...

maybe she was just a smart lady with her money????

Happy labor Day weekend to you all...

Couyon Nunyaz said...

Labor day is where all us laborers
get to work extra hard for the same pay as we watch all the businessmen take the day off and enjoy it.
Please do not assume 'we' will pray for the BUG, I wouldn't pray for that piece of sh@t
NIce to see ys posting again Col!!!

ST. Circumstance said...

Here is something to think about:

Sergeant X was 24 year career police officer in New Jersey who owned a small business cleaning windows in retirement homes on the side in the summers....

He drove a ford pickup truck and lived in a 1700 square foot house on three quarters of an Acre in Central Jersey with 3 bedrooms and two bathrooms... He was a member of the Elks. he played Darts at the American Legion on Wed nights and owned exactly one suit to his name....

when he died he left the house 350K
and two vehicles and a small boat which were all paid off. He had 50K in a savings account. 250K in his 401K. He had a pension payout from the police department and a life insurance policy worth another 250K.... Hes wife sold the small business, equipment and boat to one of his friends for 25K....

his " estate" was worth a little over a million bucks to his family- but I knew this guy for 40 years and never once did anyone ever consider or refer to him as rich or a millionaire...

believe when it or not- this is the NORM when it comes to the typical American with wealth. The book I mentioned earlier was put together over along period of time. they did many studies. They have what they call the 7 key traits of the Typical American Millionaire... number 1 on the list:

they do not live above there means

also on the list : they value financial independence over social status.

and I believe this applies to Rosemary specifically...

they dont come from inherited wealth.... ( This one Shocked me)
but only a small percentage of the wealthiest Americans inherited the wealth...

most Athletes and entertainers never learn these lessons that's why they all get millions- but never wind up millionaires...

there is a a difference.

ST. Circumstance said...

I just went and reread a chapter-

it also says MOST of those with an acquired wealth level which would qualify them as a millionaire worked for themselves, and invest a disproportionate amount compared with what they spend of their disposable income earned....

Rosemary did work for herself, and I dont know much else about her- but have read she was an investor...

it is entirely possible she had accumulated some net worth for herself. The very little I have read about her- if true- fits the formula I have studied quite well actually....

Marliese said...

Hi St. Circumstance! I'm happy to see you. You're right, after the jury found Clem's crimes brutal enough to recommend the death penalty, the judge did not sentence him to the death penalty. The creep was lucky, and lucky again when they let him out...

Very interesting thought...he got what the others have always argued for themselves.

ST. Circumstance said...

:) Marliese- Happy holiday weekend!!

Think Bobby and Bruce think Clem is retarded now???

while they waste away- he is partying around the country living the life...

how Ironic- Charlie wanted to be a musician- and he was the leader supposedly- the master manipulator- who is rotting in jail
Bobby was the sex symbol- who all the girls love and had some famous connections and played with Authur Lee, rotting away in prison...

the one guy everyone thought was a joke- is the ONLY one who is living the life they all dreamed of...

Wonder if any of those still in the clink keep up with his tour schedule???

ST. Circumstance said...

Rosemary was- at the very least- a hard working woman who ran her own business...

Maybe she was worth something financially- maybe she wasn't

She went to work every day though- and did the best she could. she pout in her time and took her shot at the American dream. She put her money where her mouth was, and carried her ass down to the shop to log her time 5 or 6 days a week for 8 to 12 hours trying to make it work...

ill let those who know her decide how successful she was in her attempt...

but today we celebrate her and everyone else who gives it everything they have all week for there families. People who work hard to make ends meet and take there responsibilities seriously...

Hard work and selfless sacrifice to get through this very tough world we live in for ourselves and those we care about....

Those who do it- certainly understand it and this day is for you...

to me Col- my friend and my mentor, and my gracious host...

That is what Labor day is

leary7 said...

xxx

leary7 said...

sorry aobut the xxx, I haven't been able to log in here for awhile, was just checking.
Col, I hate to be at odds with you yet again because I really enjoy your style...but I read Claire Watkin's book and thought it was crapola. Yeah, she obviously has talent but all the stories were one-note bleak.
Also, I'm sorry, but her writing style just felt really "un-original" to me, like she was emulating Alice Munro and others.
The lone story that TLB folk would be interested in, Ghosts,Cowboys, just doesn't have any meat in it. It is a soggy lettuce sandwich.
Of course, writing, like all art, is subjective and Claire's book is getting good reviews. I should just tell myself it is not my cup of tea and keep my mouth shut. But that would betray the spirit of the blog - which is to offer up all obnoxious opinions.
always a joy to see ya Saint.

ST. Circumstance said...

Happy Holiday weekend Leary!

ColScott said...

Fair enough Leary. I liked it

starship said...

From eviliz:

Friday, August 22nd, 1969 – An estate of about $2 million was left by a woman found slain with her husband under bizarre circumstances in their expensive home, court records showed Thursday in Los Angeles.

Police have theorized the slayer or slayers were imitating whoever murdered actress Sharon Tate and four others the day before.

Rosemary LaBianca, 38, was found stabbed to death in the hillside home she shared with her second husband. Leno LaBianca, 44, a supermarket chain owner.

Near the LaBianca’s bodies, police found scrawled in blood words including “pig” leading to the theory the slayers mimicked those of Miss Tate, hairdresser Jay Sebring, Polish movie writer Voityck Frokowsky, coffee heiress Abigail Folger and 18-year-old Steven Parent. On Miss Tate’s door was scrawled “Pig.”

The LaBiancas were slain on Aug. 10 – a day after the bodies of Miss Tate and the others were found in her Bel Air estate, five miles away.
Superior Court Judge Ben Koenig appointed Suzan Struthers, 21, Mrs. LaBianca’s daughter by a previous marriage, executor of the estate. An exact breakdown of Mrs. LaBianca’s estate was not revealed in open court.

Miss Struthers and her brother Frank, 15, are Mrs. LaBianca’s sole survivors, court records showed. The LaBiancas had no children.

Ok, now it's me talking out my ass: is it really possible to know that soon how much anyone's estate would be worth? I wonder why it says it was left just by her, and that there is no mention of what Leno's estate was worth.

So is it possible that the 2 million bucks was the sum total of all the assets that both of them had together? Could Leno have put everything in his wife's name to avoid being siezed by Gateway? Remember they were to have had that meeting that very day they were killed which probably would have led to something bad happening to Leno.

ST. Circumstance said...

its quite probable that Leo did put some of his assets in her name, and if they owned the house and the boat and they had investments- and everything was in her name- plus the value of the her business as it was assessed at the time of her death- it is possible it equaled an amount in that neighborhood...

it is also possible she worked hard, and saved and invested and with the value of her business- she was worth something at the end of the day on her own merit...

or some combination of both?

starship said...

Yes, I guess what I mean is was the sum total of everything they owned...which included these racehorses too remember, total $2 million bucks, and then you would have to begin minusing out the debt before you got to what the actual "worth" would be...

A.C. Fisher Aldag said...

Whatever happend to Rosemary's son, aged 15 in the article, above?