Friday, August 14, 2009

History Channel Doc

Wow- what an awful documentary. They actually made the story boring. It takes real skill to do that.

Random Thoughts

- how seriously can we take you when you state on a fucking title card that Spahn Ranch is in Benedict Canyon which is 20 miles away?

- I know you couldn't afford to license Beatles songs, but do you really expect anyone to believe Charlie listened to the WHITE ALBUM on fucking HEADPHONES?

- Gypsy is back to tell us her lies...she was lying in all that Henrickson footage and News footage then but she is telling the truth now- or something. I love Charlie kicking her though- such BS but I was cheering HIM on.

- Who is that one tooth freak that keeps appearing? No one in the Family was inbred.

- Jakobsen is now called Shapiro? Because any Jew will do?

- They are using the Tate Home Movies that I posted before YOUTUBE scum (Thanks Savage) took them down.

- Debra is there but doesn't get the chance to make too much up.

- Who knew that Linda Kasabian had become a transexual? I missed that part. She sounds like she is reading a script. No mention of her continued legal troubles, or of Tanya growing up to become Lady Dangerous. Of course.

This played in the UK and Canada and will play in USA in a month. And still suck.


jadedjamie said...

Thanks for posting Col. Wow, Linda looks like she has had one hell of a rough life. Did anyone notice how her eyes just lit up with longing when discussing Charlie and the orgies? Ahh, sweet memories.
It is beyond frustrating to see and hear the Bug still trying to shovel the shit of HS as motive for the crimes. Come on Vince, we all figured that out years ago.
They did make the Ranch look like a fascinating, beautiful place. Not one fly in sight. Gypsy, do us all a favor and just STFU.

jadedjamie said...

The look in her eyes when reminiscing reminded me of a song:

Old days
Good times I remember
Fun days
Filled with simple pleasures
Drive-in movies
Comic books and blue jeans
Howdy doody
Baseball cards and birthdays
Take me back
To a world gone away
Seem like yesterday

Old days
Good times I remember
Gold days
Days Ill always treasure
Funny faces
Full of love and laughter
Funny places
Summer nights and streetcars
Take me back
To a world gone away
Boyhood memories
Seem like yesterday

Old days - in my mind and in my heart to stay
Old days - darkened dreams of good times gone away
Old days - days of love and feeling fancy free
Old days - days of magic still so close to me
Old days - in my mind and in my heart to stay
Old days - darkened dreams of good times gone away
Old days - days of love and feeling fancy free
Old days - days of magic still so close to me

Skyhook said...

Saw this "documentary" a few days ago here in the UK.

Loads of errors and omissions. No mention of the Crowe incident nor of the Shea murder.

I think the inbred chap with the missing tooth and huge nose is supposed to be Beausoleil!

Not worth watching. Shoddy research and direction. As 'The Col' says it is "boring".

Nothing new. Just a rehash of all the old nonsense. I find it astonishing that these so-called documentaries can keep on being produced.

A.C. Fisher Aldag said...

As long as there are advertising dollars, there will be bad television. Y'know, TV sets can be recycled...

FrankM said...


Saw this on a download, recorded from UK Chan 5,

I think there were at least two new things.

ONE Linda says they all took speed on the way to Cielo Drive (not in her trial testimony).

TWO Linda says that on Tex's instructions she entered the car and removed the wallet from (the now dead) Stephen Parent's body.

THis second (also not in her trial testimony) has serious implications if true as it contradicts police reports.

Hope I got this right - my knowledge of this case is not so good as some people here.

But boy oh boy do I agree this was one bunch of crap movie.


A.C. Fisher Aldag said...

Said Frank M: "Linda says they all took speed on the way to Cielo Drive."

Here is me, saying "I toldja so".

However, I didn't need to be informed of Linda's, Watson's, and Susan's drug habit. Didn't both those crime scenes look like classic amp-rage, though?

The whole thing was about the drugs.

Anonymous said...

I agree about the drama parts of this docudrama. But sticking strictly with what Linda had to say, you can at least say that she has never changed her story, and you can also see why a jury believed her back in 1970.

It's also hard to argue with what Catherine Share was saying.

Linda processed this more or less like a normal human being would, as opposed to a Susan Atkins, for instance.

I personally have a lot of compassion for Linda. Out of all of the attendees, she is the only one you can imagine being deeply haunted by the sights sounds and smells of those August nights. The others, not so much.

agnostic monk said...

blipcrotch, I already knew I liked you and your thoughts on this case, and now I like you even more. I'm with you on Linda and the difference between her and the others.

And Col, she doesn't look like a transsexual. Considering the life she's led and her age, she doesn't look so bad. I've only watched the first 5 minutes because I haven't had time to watch the whole thing and comment, but I did want to point out to the great and powerful Col that Tanya was actually not "Lady Dangerous".

FrankM said...

With regard to the way Linda looked in the film, I think I read that her face had been distorted (and a wig added) to help protect her identity.

From memory, she was only ever seen in three-quarter profile, often shot from behind, with dim lighting too.

In short, she wasn't looking at her best - devoid of makeup, poorly lit and (at one point) in visible distress.

Col has to stand aside from his antipathy to Linda and be more objective about this.


A.C. Fisher Aldag said...

And add in forty MORE years of drug abuse... does bad things to the complexion.

Heaven said...

I can handle watching these inaccurate movies but what is irritating is Debra constantly changing the story..


Anonymous said...


Don't know if you had read this too, but Charles Watson said in his book that he and Susan had a secret stash of meth in a baby food jar, which they snorted before the evening activities. I agree with Frank that Linda's story about the speed in pill form being passed around in the car is a new one. So if you believe both of these stories CW must have been really flying that night.

It is hard to imagine that, absent the meth, that these murders would have played out as they did. You take a big athletic guy like CW, get him all cranked up on speed, arm him with a knife and a gun, and you have the potential for some serious mayhem.

Force 17 said...

The worst part was surely The Bug-perpetuating HS as the only motive myth.
The reconstruction of Hinman-way off.
Linda looking all her years, and the wallet taking from Steve Parent was new to me.

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