Friday, November 30, 2007

Do You See Charlie EVERYWHERE?




THE COL DOES!

46 comments:

deadwoodhbo said...

I certainly see the eyes .Good one Col:P.

Pristash said...

Is that real? I don't think so....

A.C. Fisher Aldag said...

Ahem, yes, people see the Virgin at Lourdes & Guadalupe, and Christ in water-soaked drywall, as well. Snicker.

The last place *I* saw him was on the Biography Channel. Davey and I spent a pleasant hour screaming obscenities at our television set. Once per lie = once per .23 minutes of footage. No balance, all bias.

The next time any documentary of that type comes on, the kidz have pledged to duct tape me to a chair and force me to watch Hannah Montanna videos instead. Kind've like squirting the bad kitty on the countertop with a super-soaker. Put the masochistic compulsion to torture myself w/ bad "journalism" on extinction.

Marliese said...

Ah the power of suggestion...

Heaven said...

LOL I agree with Marliese, the power of suggestion...

Kinda cool though, but someone sure had a lot of time on their hands to come up with that one..

=)

angeLos said...

Quite Funny...yes...

...if the subject would not have been CM...!!!

Will CM ever speak ? in decembre 2007 maybe ?
Will he one day finaly apologize (to the families of the victims and to Krenwinkle and Co) and take more responsabilities for the crimes, as he did so far (CM recognized some responsability in one parole hearing)...?
Open question...I think before he dies he will finally empty his bag

www.mansonspeaks.org

Marliese said...

Hi Heaven, Glad you agree.

It did take a minute though for the suggestion to connect!

The first thought that came to mind was something about Longterm Parking, a la The Sopranos.

catscradle77 said...
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catscradle77 said...

My deletion, and I apologize. My computer freaked out and it came out funny,

What I had tried to post was that I will never even think about parking in a no parking zone again. And I wonder what the impound lot looks like.

Humble apologized for having the deletion.

deadwoodhbo said...

angeLos said...
Quite Funny...yes...

...if the subject would not have been CM...!!!

Will CM ever speak ? in decembre 2007 maybe ?
Will he one day finaly apologize (to the families of the victims and to Krenwinkle and Co) and take more responsabilities for the crimes, as he did so far (CM recognized some responsability in one parole hearing)...?
Open question...I think before he dies he will finally empty his bag

www.mansonspeaks.org

12:51 AM, December 02, 2007

never.

Heaven said...

I agree with Deadwoodhbo, whatever secrets Charlie has, he'll take with him..

=)

A.C. Fisher Aldag said...

Angelos said:

"Will he one day finaly apologize (to the families of the victims and to Krenwinkle and Co) and take more responsabilities for the crimes...?"

Um, why apologize for something he did not do? Or take responsibility for an event over which he had NO control?

Deadwood said: "Never". And I whole-heartedly agree.

Myself, someone owes me money, and I ask a friend what to do, and he suggests a shakedown during which I should "write something witchy on the wall", I would likely be inspired to inscribe a pentacle on the front door with a sharpie marker. But then again, I'm not loaded with drugs and sloughing the responsibility for my stupid acts onto others.

If anything, Patricia and Sadie and Tex should be apologizing to Charles, like: "Sorry I misunderstood your suggestion, lied and jacked up your whole entire LIFE and derailed all your good works..."

Like that'll happen. When Mordred apologizes to Arthur, when Roland apologizes to Charlamaigne, when Enkenkai apologizes to Gilgamesh, when Judas apologizes...

Marliese said...

a.c.

And the LaBiancas?

Marliese said...

Why would he talk in December 2007?
Is there some significance with the date?

Heaven said...

A.C. Fisher Aldag said...
Um, why apologize for something he did not do? Or take responsibility for an event over which he had NO control?


I'd say tying up the LaBianca's gave him plenty of control.

angeLos said...

Marliese a dit...

Why would he talk in December 2007?
Is there some significance with the date?

9:03 AM, December 03, 2007

No marliese, it is just that this site mansonspeaks.org
keeps changing, sept, oct, nov, and I was just wondering if there would be anything new on decembre .

For the LaBiancas, I agree , even CM change subjet when he was asked about that night in interviews

www.mansonspeaks.org

Marliese said...

Angelos, Got it...re the date thing. Thank you.

A.C. Fisher Aldag said...

Marliese said...
"And the LaBiancas?"

When one lies down w/ dogs, one arises with fleas, and one lies down w/ drug dealers, one may not get up at all.

Everyone else:

www.mansonspeaks.org

Due to technical difficulties, this website has been temporarily disconnected. It will indeed manifest, hopefully in December... with The Man's full approval and cooperation. Would tell you more, but from this point the conversation segued into prime esoteric territory... Breath is life, life is God, without air there is no breath, there is no life, and no God. THAT is what you're gonna hear on Manson Speaks; not any bogus confessions, expressions of remorse for the Unfortunate Incident, nor predictions on the World Series. Just the Truth. And some pretty music, so I am told.

And now, for a horse of another color, anyone know anything about a chick called Leona Musser, a German girl, whom Charles married in 1956, prolly in Texas or Mexico or New Mexico, near a military base, who claims she had a son with him? He's trying to find 'em. Why, I don't know. I'd think that ex-wives should stay out of sight and mind, but that's just me. But it is not my role to question, merely to slog through the Hallways of Always with a sixpack at my side.

Marliese said...

A.C. Fisher Aldag said...
When one lies down w/ dogs, one arises with fleas, and one lies down w/ drug dealers, one may not get up at all.



Laying blame on these victims for being butchered is revolting to me, regardless...

catscradle77 said...

Leona-I would imagine if she wanted contact with Mr. Manson, she would know where to find him.

Leno and drug dealing-don't see that one or how he is connected at all. I believe it was Vern Plumlee who stated that to Sanders, that he heard the LaBiancas were dealing to the Tates.

Leno seemed to have his hand in a lot of different things. The Hollywood Bank, which the LAPD said seemed to hold "hoodlum" money, which never went on to explain that statement and shortly after or before the murders, said bank was involved in a fraud scandal. Betting on the ponies-his bookmaker lived up the road and his daughter is said to have been friends with Suzan.

Then we have Rosemary, with her millions in stocks. Reminds me of Rostau, and the scandal there.

The drug dealing aspect of the LaBiancas, I don't see, and to me it is just another one of those offhanded remarks someone makes, that gets passed on.

Not saying Leno and Rosemary were saints, no one is. But drugs, nah.

catscradle77 said...

And I am still trying to find an answer to why Leno was embezzling the money from Gateway, and yet Rosemary had all this cash...if Leno was in "trouble" and needed the money, why wouldn't Rosemary help him out of a jam? Telling your wife you are in a "jam" is much better than living in the fear of what would happen if you didn't pay back the money, if there was indeed a payback needed.

Not saying that all this gave reason for the slaughter of them at all.

Heaven said...
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catscradle77 said...

Also, according to the records, Leona, was actually a prostitute who went by the name of Candy Stevens. She came forward and lied about being pregnant to help Charlie beat a rap. Then records show that Manson married her in 1959 and divorced in April 10, 1963, in Denver Colorado. She had a child, supposedly, named Charles Luther Manson. (looking for birth records, for if she lied once, she can lie again. Also, if she was a prostitute, regardless of the name of the child, who is to say whose kid it is).
In Manson in Nuel Emmons words, he calls Leona "Sandy" and says they took out a license but never married.

So I wonder which one it is?

A.C. Fisher Aldag said...

Heaven said, "No one seems to know why the Labianca's were chosen, only Manson himself knows why and he sure isn't talking..."

Surely he is. But it's rather like listening to a three-year-old in a dialogue about his favorite movie: short on plot, long on theme, incapable of lying, yet wildly digressing. Without the time constraints and inhibitions and self-conscious self-correction of the older yet less wise.

"There were no drugs found at the Labianca home, zip, zero, nada.. Nor were any drugs found in their system."

There isn't currently any recording equipment to be found at my house, either; it's all at the studio. Likewise, the LaBiancas' professional and personal lives may have been kept separate. Were all their physical and real properties checked, immediately after the murders?

True, it does not justify, yet it explains... and sorry for disagreement in advance, but my motto is: if you don't wanna blow, then don't juggle dynamite.

Said Cat's Cradle "In Manson in Nuel Emmons words, he calls Leona "Sandy" and says they took out a license but never married."

Sandy is Candy before extensive dental work.

Now go outside, and explain to the crow flying in the sky the difference between the magick of signing your name on a piece of paper that says "Marriage License" and the magick of standing before a dude in a black robe and speaking the sacred vows of commitment... yeah, you'll likely have as much success with communicating the concept as I did.

Anyway. Candy / Leona can stay lost, it's the son of the Son of Man for whom we are looking. Thank you for information, Cat's Cradle, you've saved me hours in dusty records rooms, squinting at microfiche... if I could only know what town the alleged child was born in. Charles does not know, for he was, um, indisposed at the time.

And the favor of Valhalla will smile down upon me, and I could safely ditch this quest in favor of the next project, the Manson Family Roller Derby Team (tm), watch for us at a skating rink near you. With the Parking Sign of Lourdes outside...!

catscradle77 said...

Well, he is the one that denied being married to her. And according to him, she ditched him when he got imprisoned for the umpteenth time.

Also, I would think, out of respect, it would be up to Leona to contact Manson if she wanted to have anything to do with him. Point blank, he got out of the slams, and made no attempt to find them, if there is indeed a them (and so far, no birth certificate has surfaced for this alleged child), and now some 50 years later-because HE wants something, it is okay to hunt them out.

I am sure, if Leona wanted anything to do with him, and his grown child (yes I said her, he had nothing to do with raising this child. He had an option to locate them after he got out, but chose not to. He knew she was pregnant, and got out and offered nothing.)if his, wanted anything to do with him, they would make contact---everyone knows how to find Charlie.

To me this still shows the lack of concern for anyone else that he showed 40 years ago.


And there is no need for microfiche-it is all available on the internet, birth, death, divorce and marriage records.

And maybe instead of a roller derby-one should organize a 'Find the LaBianca's non-existent stash of drugs" marathon, where the winner can opt out to send all of the cash to Charlie. LOL. Should be a long marathong.

Heaven said...
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Heaven said...

catscradle77 said...
And maybe instead of a roller derby-one should organize a 'Find the LaBianca's non-existent stash of drugs" marathon, where the winner can opt out to send all of the cash to Charlie. LOL. Should be a long marathong.



LOL

Good one!!

=)

catscradle77 said...

LOL Thank you.

But even if Leona/Candy/Sandy had a baby at that period, her/his father would be up for a vote. Being a prostitute I would imagine it wouldn't necessarily have to be Manson's kid.

He turned her out, then got imprisoned again. Kinda crazy to me that you would trick out someone you care about, then want to find the kid she had some 40 years later, when you didn't care for that long, nor suppport, nor nothing for said child. Would follow in logic, that being this child (if one exists), you wouldn't want to have contact with the sperm donor (let alone a famous "boogeyman") so many years later. The years of silence by this child/adult to me speaks volumes, and I think that should be respected.

I guess time will tell.

deadwoodhbo said...

But even if Leona/Candy/Sandy had a baby at that period, her/his father would be up for a vote. Being a prostitute I would imagine it wouldn't necessarily have to be Manson's kid.

He turned her out, then got imprisoned again. Kinda crazy to me that you would trick out someone you care about, then want to find the kid she had some 40 years later, when you didn't care for that long, nor suppport, nor nothing for said child. Would follow in logic, that being this child (if one exists), you wouldn't want to have contact with the sperm donor (let alone a famous "boogeyman") so many years later. The years of silence by this child/adult to me speaks volumes, and I think that should be respected.

I guess time will tell
Charlie wanting to find a child that might be his unlikely ,on better days he remembers rose.
I have to agree on cats on this one,your post makes PUR_FECT sense.

deadwoodhbo said...
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deadwoodhbo said...

sorry guys my deleated message

A.C. Fisher Aldag said...

Deadwood, he remembers more than you might believe, if you stick your hand down into the vast dark waters of the stream of consciousness.

Wonder if anyone has tried the woman-hunt by using her German real name? Besides me, who came up with Neinscht. As for determining if it's Charles's kid, well, nowadays we have DNA paternity tests.

About the LaBiancas alledgedly dealing drugs... you might ask yourself, "Self, where did the broke-ass 'Manson Family' come up with the cash for tickets to Texas, Alabama, Hawaii, and other tourist attractions / fugitive locations?" Cuz they sure didn't hitch-hike. Especially not to Hawaii. Howcome people who were begging food from supermarkets' expired sell-by dates bins had the money to afford plane tickets?

Sooo, what type of merchandise has the fastest liquidation factor? Hmmm.

And one might further ask oneself, "Self, how did a guy who can't fill out a #%*!! property form, manage to coordinate all those plane / bus / train schedules to get his people out of Dodge?" And one might reasonably come up with the theory that Charles M. didn't mastermind THAT, either.

So who did?

Well, who amongst the associates was male, smart, got good grades in high school, tall, good-looking, willing to have sex with Sadie (urgh) to manipulate her and other women, who was present at the Bernard Crowe shakedown (although he ran away like a miserable coward), was present at both murder scenes, and um, carried a backpack to the LaBiancas' home? What was in the backpack when they arrived? Spare ammo, change of clothes, some rope. And golly, I wonder what was in that backpack when he left?

The funding for his subsequent flight to Texas, that's what.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Charles "Tex" Watson, who is currently employed as a charismatic cult leader: "Abounding LIES Ministry" !!

If you look far enough back in his resume, you may find that he enjoyed a long history as a perveyor of fine quality mood-enhancing products.

catscradle77 said...

Still, if the kid/adult now, doesn't want found, why invade that person's privacy. The child could contact Charlie if they so desire.

There was also a stolen car ring, on top of the drug trade, and I imagine that Leno had a hand in that too, right??? Backpack yeah okay, and a giant alien space ship came down and gave Sadie the clap too.

Funding came long before the LaBianca's were murdered, and just because Tex was involved in some stuff, show me the link to Leno being involved, please?

Jean Harlow said...

AC

there are several places where it says that Tex got the money to fly whereever by phoning mum and dad. The first time he phoned instead of flying home to Texas like he was supposed to, he flew to Hawaii and then back to California. Then he phoned mum and dad again for some more money to come home and this time he did. Personally, I think mum and dad were too good to Tex especially since he paid them back by viciously killing 9 people, dealing drugs and sleeping with Sadie - bad Tex bad.

Plus the girls and probably CM for all I know admit that they stole from people - cash, credit cards, and ask for money from mum and dad - didn't Pat use theMobil gas credit card that she stole from her dad (bit fuzzy on the details) so it isn't beyond the realm of possibilities that they had access to some cash/credit for big ticket items.

Just sayin... :)

Jean

catscradle77 said...

Because I really do believe, that Charlie went into the LaBianca's, tied them up and left Tex to cart all the LaBianca's stash back in a backpack to the Ranch while hitchhiking, and Charlie was whooshed away in the car to wander around.


GET AWAY FROM ME YOU GIANT SPACE SHIP---------------------------------------

A.C. Fisher Aldag said...

We-E-ell, *I* really do believe that Charles M. wasn't even there, that he was home on the range sweetly playing his guitar, singing Stephanie a beautiful lullaby, and communing with the scorpions, while Charles W. did the dirty deed... hey, anybody seen the lacings on my favorite shirt? They seem to be missing.

Wouldn't there be records of the credit card purchases, for plane / bus / train tickets, gas receipts, and so forth? I know, ancient history in the days before computerization. But you'd think with the extensive police investigation of a capital murder case... unless there was a cover up, or something. Unless an Italian-surnamed prosecutor didn't want evidence of an Italian sur-named drug de... I mean, supermarket owner brought forward, and their mutual fraternal organization sullied in the public opinion. Or something.

As for the boyz, I've flown a kite to a couple of 'em, if they wanna get in touch they will, if they don't, no sweat. Perhaps Mr. Charles Luther does not know his true origins, perhaps he was adopted in the bad old days of permanently sealed records. Pehaps he doesn't even exist, for if a woman will lie about one thing, as Cats meowed, a woman will lie about anything (I love you, I'm really 18, I'm not turning tricks I won the lottery, I'm pregnant, et cetera.

And the image of Sadie, infected with VD by space alien anal probes, is just way too hilarious.

Jean Harlow said...

AC,

why would the cops look for receipts for Tex travelling to Hawaii or Texas? How would that tie into either the LaBiancas and/or the Tate murders?

So in your view was Leno a middle man because I don't see him hanging around your neighbourhood school or selling stuff along Sunset Boulevard? Do you think he was getting the stuff for Suzan and Joe to pass along? I also wonder if he was dealing, why didn't he pay back the money he apparently stole from Gateway that he lost betting on the horses?

While I am at it hasn't CM as much admitted to being at the LaBiancas that night (not killing anyone but just that he was there)? And what's your take on Charlie's alleged visit to the Tate property in the wee hours to see "what my children had done"?

thanks

Jean

Monk, monk where are you

deadwoodhbo said...

A.C. Fisher Aldag said...
Deadwood, he remembers more than you might believe, if you stick your hand down into the vast dark waters of the stream of consciousness
AC no offence i couldnt care less about that 2 faced old bastard

Heaven said...

""Self, where did the broke-ass 'Manson Family' come up with the cash for tickets to Texas, Alabama, Hawaii, and other tourist attractions / fugitive locations?" Cuz they sure didn't hitch-hike."


I believe it's called stealing.

Heaven said...
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A.C. Fisher Aldag said...

Wowie, two arguements at once. Ain't life fun? Hee hee.

Deadwood wrote: "AC no offence i couldnt care less about that 2 faced old bastard"

Sooo, what happened NOW in the continuing soap-opera at CSP-Corc One? All I've heard is the drama of COs vs. pocket gophers. Alvin and the Chipmunks are ATWAR with the grounds staff and their evil and pernicious poisons!

Heaven said: "I guess the fact that Manson openly admits he was there does nothing to dissuade your opinion huh?"

I reckon if I was trying to save my people from their own stupidity, I'd do just about anything. Confess to being at a murder scene, face a bunch of angry black dudes with a 22, you know. And I'm also considering the source. Prosecutor, and / or guy who's trying to sell books, or the source... THE Source. Who does not lie.

agnostic monk said...

Charlie didn't make up the tale of entering the labianca house and tying them up. He was there and he did it. He knew Tex was out of his mind and was glad to leave the psycho there for bloodshed part II. And he wasn't strumming his guitar at the ranch while the couple were being slaughtered. He was trolling around LA looking for another murder scene.

(p.s. ANYONE can lie, even Charlie)

catscradle77 said...

Somewhere in the Coolonel's videos, is a clip. Charlie says he went into the LaBianca's. Straight from his own mouth. So, either he lied there, or lied in his denial.

So, in fact, Charlie does lie.

Heaven said...

Welcome back Monk!! I've missed you...

=)

agnostic monk said...

hi Heaven!!! oh and cats, my favorite feline, Charlie fully and plainly admitted it to Diane Sawyer as well. It's one of the few questions with which he doesn't seem to play games. He just straight up admits it, no arguments or nothin'.

I find it puzzling that Manson supporters ignore it or gloss over it, because while we all know that not every negative thing written about Charlie is true (and in fact a lot is garbage), that one plain and simple fact most certainly is.

catscradle77 said...

Hey Monk-

And I agree. Someone once said to me, that it is murders that seem to get rewritten, and not anything like bank robberies etc., as much.

A lot of what is said about Charlie is bunk, but at the same time, he has said things, then said other things, and point out lied about others.

At one point during the Shea trial, he wanted to plead out and claimed to have cut Shorty's head off too. And we all know that is an untruth as well.