Saturday, November 12, 2005

Bret Speaks Better than I could


This is taken from KTS without Bret's permission, but since Leslie is once again angling for release the Col gets tons of emails asking why she should get it when she had the death penalty. Visit Bret's site, the best on the web, by clicking to the right. Now, Bret, explain why Leslie is different LEGALLY to the nice people......

Leslie Van Houten is not a death penalty reversal. Her original
sentence was trown out all together. She had something totally
different from the others. She was given a new trial and that is the
sentence that stuck. Not the death penalty. She recieved a 7-to-life
sentence.

She is not just a good candidate for parole. She is a EXCELLENT
candidate for parole. Parole was part of her sentence and the law
should be fulfilled in her case. She has worked steadfastly for 30
years for her parole and done everything that the Board has ever
asked her to do. Her participation was minimal and she contributed
more as an ader and abetter and an accessory to murder. I have
studied her case very thouroghly and I have all her parole hearings
on video.
She posseses a personal charm and is very elegant and articulate.

She has been in prison for 35 years and that has to count for
something. She was 19 at the time of the murders. 35 years is a
life time. She along with Pat and Susan are the only women in
California today who have been in prison for more than 30 years.

48 comments:

GLH said...

I think she should be paroled.

shelby445 said...

glh ive seen you around kts. you seem to only care and support the killers.

shelby445 said...

just so you know i was only joking with you. i saw the earlier topic today in kts lol

JRCD2 said...

I think LVH should be paroled. I think Bobby should be paroled.

GLH said...

Shelby, I don't hide the fact that I think LVH should be paroled. Besides, Bret makes a great point about her conviction. I never really thought about it until I visited Watson. He's there to stay, just as Krenwinkel and Manson. I only hope Atkins doesn't make it out. My relatives still live in California. I grew up hearing about the horrible way one of the victims died, and, believe me, they weren't thrilled that I visited Watson until it was over. Now, they, too, have moved on and let go of a lot of their anger.

nellieoleson said...

yes lulu should be free
and get parole

SiebenzumSterben said...

Sorry I don't agree. Lock her up for life, or execute her. She was there, she didn't turn herself or anyone else in, she conspired with the rest of them and lied to protect the rest of them and I for one don't buy her sad little story that all she did was stab a dead body. So no. No freakin way should that bitch be turned loose. period.

Deb B said...

I don't totally buy her story either. She knew full well what she would be participating in that night and she wanted to be part of it. She was bummed out that she didn't get to go along the night before to the Tate residence. She did a lot of things that don't indicate she's the nervous innocent she portrays. She put the pillowcase over Rosemary's head and tied a lampcord around her neck. She held her down while Pat tried to stab her. She put on some of the dead woman's clothes and took food out of her refrigerator. At one point after the murders didn't she say something like, "Stabbing is fun! The more you do it, the more fun it is."

Magick_Films said...

Hand over the keys, please.

ColScott said...

Hey Magick
I am not even IN America at the moment
Being a Col takes me around the world

GLH said...

We can't wait until you return! Have a safe trip.

Denise said...

looking forward to the White Rabbit book discussion! Have a safe trip.

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SiebenzumSterben said...

She was found guilty and sentenced to death by a jury of her peers for not one but two murders and complicity in five others, that we know of. The bitch should have met Mr. Sparkey years ago. No water on her shaved head either. Auf Wiedersehen, Tod in der Hölle

shelby445 said...

most likely didn't commit?????? she admitted to committing it.
leslie went willingly, she took rosemary into another room, she tied her up, she wrapped a lamp cord around her neck, she held her down so patricia could stab her, she went and got tex, she continued to hold her down then she took part in stabbing her too. and you say only tex killed this woman? she then bragged that the more you stab someone, the more you like it. she made a bad choice?
tell that to rosemarys family. i think desert mouse needs to go back and take a refresher course about this case, they seems to be forgetting a few things.

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GLH said...

I think that Watson has indicated that he made Leslie do something after he killed Mrs. LaBianca. He has stated that Leslie ran out into the hall and he had to go get her and make her come back into the bedroom. At that point, he made her stab Mrs. LaBianca in order to carry out Manson's orders that EVERYONE get their hands "dirty".

EndlessMike said...

The fact remains, SiebenzumSterben, that the trial where she was convicted and sentenced to death was thrown out. On retrial, she was given life. While the others got out of the death penalty due to a technicality (Calif. abolishing it), she did not.

Why do people insist on shooting their mouths off about stuff they obviously know little about?

GLH said...

Hey, I had forgotten that her sentence had been overturned and that she had a different trial until I read her parole hearing transcript last year..... Did each of them have their own attorney in the original trial? They were always pictured together. I don't want to say anything until I know for sure......

shelby445 said...

bill nelson isn't a source i'd be proud to say i believe in. he was a moron who couldn't even spell. he said he heard? whoopie.
it's not as though leslie ran out screaming for help or turned anyone in after the fact. she's as guilty as the rest and i think we all know she isn't going anywhere.
we could argue about this forever but the decision to free leslie doesn't rest in our hands. if it did, her punishment would be a lot more severe.

shelby445 said...

if anyone here has ever bothered to read leslies trial testimony you'd know that she not only testified that she stabbed rosemary in the buttocks but also possibly in the neck. many of rosemarys wounds were not post-mortem, one of the wounds severed her spine and was in and of itself a fatal wound. did leslie stop and take rosemarys pulse before she began stabbing her? doubt it. leslie could have very well been the one to deliver the fatal stab wounds, since she admits to stabbing her sixteen times. no one can prove she didn't kill rosemary. for someone who didn't want to murder someome she sure stabbed her enough times. rosemary was stabbed 41 times any one of six were fatal.
and for the record, i'm not a "bugliosi cheerleader". i've read his book but that doesn't mean i buy the whole package. i don't recall making any references to bugliosi anyway.

Dok said...

I believe since they brought back the death penalty, the sentences should stand and they should all be put to death. This is absurd that they live. They should go before Tookie Williams for God sake!

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SiebenzumSterben said...

The fact remains that she was sentenced to death and whatever technicality got her off doesn't mean she has no blood on her hands. Wake up! O.J. was found innocent too, was this justice? No matter, there's no point in arguing. Tookie got it, she will too. Burn baby burn. Have you executed a felon today? How long you think she'll last on the outside? Bleeding heart libs. If Rosemary Labianca was your wife or sister you wouldn't be talking libspeak. Now all we need is Jane Fonda with the "Free Van Houten" sign. Anyone related? I wouldn't be surprised.

shelby445 said...

if rosemary was dead when tex got done with her explain how it was that she crawled two feet with a severed spine. it's going to take more than "a pretty good bet" to convince me that rosemary was dead when leslie began stabbing her. i think spending the rest of their lives in prison is the least all of them can do. leslie should have thought about all this before she made the choice to put herself there. no one forced her to go. matter of fact, she wanted to go. like i said, for someone who didn't want to participate she sure stabbed her enough times. i have no sympathy for leslie. she's living with the choice she made.

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shelby445 said...

because i feel she should stay in prison means i hate her? so by your logic you must be in love with her. i can feel someone needs to pay a debt to society without hating them. i don't like what leslie did and i don't like what any of them did, equally.
i don't care if it took 100 trials to convict her, point is she was comvicted. you "many people" do not have any say in her fate so you can feel whatever you like. i'm not trying to change your opinions. i'm only stating mine.
i have plenty of class thankyou. i just choose not to worship murderers because they were once teenagers. we were all teenagers once. leslie isn't special.

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shelby445 said...

I'm not making excuses for her. What she did was wrong and she knows it but there's no way that she can undo her participation in her commitment crimes.

i agree with that, she cant undo them, but she can pay for them. i don't feel im being hard on her. im not making the decision to keep her in prison, the parole board does that. im not the one who sent her to prison. a jury did that. im not the one who got her involved in all of this. SHE did that.
tex may have been "instrumental" but no one threatened her life if she didn't participate. remember, she wanted to go. she knew people were going to die then has the nerve to act surprised when it begins happening. she also played her part in covering up the crimes by burning the clothes the wore. she also stole coins from the labianca home and passed them out at the ranch. leslie wasn't sorry for her crime when she was on trial. of course she's sorry 36 years later, she wants her freedom. the labiancas wanted their lives but did she care? why should i care about leslie?
you may believe she has paid her debt but apparently the parole board doesn't share your opinion.
its not my job to forgive leslie. im not the one who put her where she is. leslie is paying for a crime she happily committed. now shes paying for it. she had a brain, she should have used it 36 years ago. if she had, she wouldn't be where she is now. leslie was fine at her first trial to face the gas chamber. she said it didn't bother her at all. then facing life in prison shouldn't bother her either. its the least she can do. sometimes the hardest things we do in life are the things we do to ourselves.

shelby445 said...

let me also add that if leslie had broken down during her trial and said she was sorry for her actions, that she was filled with remorse, i could easily say that shes served enough time. but that didn't happen. leslie laughed and giggled all through the trial. the jury was at one point sympathetic to her, until she took the stand and they realized just how cold and unfeeling she was. they lost any sympathy they had for her.
i feel that out of all of them i don't feel that she deserved the death penalty. life in prison is enough.

SiebenzumSterben said...

Anger in my heart over Leslie? Wow, the libs are out tonite. Self-consumed with hate? No dearie, that's what the Manson 5 were. Take off the rose-colored glasses.
You mentioned Michael Savage. Why don't you go to his Web site, mousie, and see what Tookie did to four human beings.
Anger has nothing to do with it. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Don't try to assign any guilt to me, I have a right to my opinion just like you do. She did the crime, now she does the time. What angers me is ignorant people who espouse all this compassion for the convict and forget the victim and what the victim's family lost. Oh, if that makes me a "KTS freak" whatever the hell that means, who cares? No parole for Van Houten. Lock the door and throw away the key. And foget about her. She's irrelevant.

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shelby445 said...

no, leslie wiped the place for prints after her stabbing deed was done. while patricia was writing the messages in blood. they took showers, got something to eat fed the dogs and left. you can say that leslie didn't want to do it until the end of time. it will never change the fact that she DID do it. and her saying NOW that she didn't want to do it doesn't matter. remember that during her trial she had no guilt in her, rosemary wasn't the only person to have died. tex tex tex, all you seemed focused on is tex. leslie allowed herself to be told to stab another human being. thats not manson, thats not tex, thats not me, thats LESLIE. blaming tex is the same as blaming manson. leslie did it you cant escape that fact. if she never intended to stab anyone then whyd she stab her 16 frigging times? just there to help? being there to help darling makes her guilty of their murders. this is a pointless debate. i don't think rosemary deserved to be murdered but is she going to rise up from her grave if leslie gets paroled?

SiebenzumSterben said...

This is actually wacky. Why don't we just pay Van Houten reparations for keeping her all boxed up for years? How about we just give her $1 billion and apologize? Is that enough?
There has to be a clinical term for this. A screw loose, but which one?
Oh-- I like your description of her prison cell too. I think you need to go see Auschwitz. There are prison cells there I think you need to go see before you drone on and on and on with the bleeding heart how terrible she's being treated. What a joke this is. We are simply just torturing that woman! Oh for heaven's sake, Jesus help us all.
As far as what she did or didn't do in that house. You have no idea. You also have no idea what she intended or didn't intend to do. You have no clue what was in her head or why. But we know this. She was convicted of murder. By a jury of her peers. She was there. No one had a gun to her head telling her what to do.
If we could only devote this much time to sick people, AIDS, or kittens the world would be a much better place. I can't believe all this thought went into ways to show how innocent the wretch is.

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SiebenzumSterben said...

Well finally I read something in this thread I agree with. They ARE all disposable. Completely and utterly disposable having no meaningful value whatsoever and presenting nothing but a drain on the taxpayers of the fine state of California.
These crimes happened in 1969. You weren't there, I wasn't there but the DA was there (sorry, he got the verdict not you, please try to accept it instead of whining about how inept he is and how you would have done it differently--nobody cares), yes, the jury of their peers WAS there and they reached a verdict, not you.
However much you wish, you cannot go back and rewite history. Heck, I wish I could go back, wait on the Cielo porch with a shotgun and take care of business before the animals we know as Watson, Krenwinkle and Atkins began doing the devil's work. Yes, I wish I could do that. I'm thinking 12 gauge with a 6 shot magazine minimum. That would have a been a fine "how do you do." to the nowhere crew. But, I can't do that.
And you cannot go back either and place yourself in the labianca house and tell us who did what or why. All you know is what you read on various blogs and books and the National Enquirer.
The jury of her peers decided. It's done. You cannot go back 35 years later and try to reassemble the jury of her peers and rewrite history.
Why don't you join the anti-war protest against the Iraq war? At least that is something to protest that might lead to a positive result. It's current. Heck, Crawford, Texas isn't too far away...and surprise of surprise, I would support you.

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desert louse said...

Sounds like desert_mouse hates zee jews.

SiebenzumSterben said...

I think you might be a dangerous person. You need to learn to read. Let me try this again S-L-O-W-L-Y in your dialect of Dingbat-English.
One, I would be at the porch to kill the animals Watson, Atkins and Krenwinkle before they began their slaughter, thereby saving six innocents. Where you got I want six to die I have no friggin idea and i'm afraid to ask.
Apparently you are so busy trying to free the convicted criminals you can't see or read straight anymore.
Two, I agree with most everything you said about Bush, but he's not the antichrist unless you believe corporate America and in particular the oil companies and Halliburton are run by satan. They are just selfish, corrupt bastards, all of them, screwing or killing anything and anybody in their mad race for the almighty dollar. Oil companies: $50 billion profit last quarter and $15 billion TAX CREDITS in Bush's energy plan. This whole Iraq thing is a fiasco, and so is the Patriot Act, which of course we have to renew now due to people like you saying crazy shit on the Internet.
Millions of people come across the borders and the retards in Washington, D.C. are worried about what I write on E-mail at the public library.
I don't agree that Americans are too stupid to vote, and I don't agree with your anti-semitism. I heard a lotta wacky stuff and this is entertaining, but calling me a Bush lover has gotta be the funniest gaddamn thing I ever heard. Have a nice day.
In all honesty, though, you must not be completely stupid cause you do see through the Bush BS.
Now we gotta work on this parole thing...

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closed blog said...

CHARLIE DOES NOT PREECH HATE HE PREECH ONLY LOVE

RAVEN IS LOVE

SiebenzumSterben said...

DEATH IS LOVE. KILL THE WABBIT...

closed blog said...

I AM CHARLIE AND YOU ARE ME
WE ARE ALL ONE
WE ARE ALL OF THE TRUTH
CHARLIE IS LOVE
RAVEN IS LOVE

SiebenzumSterben said...

CHARIE IS WUV
KILL DE WABBIT

closed blog said...

WE CLIMAX WHEN WE DIE
RAVEN AND ME WILL CLIMAX
WE ARE ONE
WE ARE IN THE TRUTH
WE ARE LOVE
CHARLIES LOVE

closed blog said...

SIEBEN U AND RAVEN MUST BALL

Deb B said...

Desert Mouse said "the more you stab someone, the more you like it" was said by Sadie Mae Glutz you putz, not Leslie Van Houten.

Glutz - putz - you're a great poet!

Diane Lake testified that Leslie said those words to her regarding the stabbing of Rosemary LaBianca.

SleepyDiane23 said...

Still defending "Lulu" candy? She had everything in the world to do with it. She was at the scene both times, and she could have prevented the second night. She's right where she belongs.
Peace & Love,
SleepyDiane23