This is taken from KTS without Bret's permission, but since Leslie is once again angling for release the Col gets tons of emails asking why she should get it when she had the death penalty. Visit Bret's site, the best on the web, by clicking to the right. Now, Bret, explain why Leslie is different LEGALLY to the nice people......
Leslie Van Houten is not a death penalty reversal. Her original
sentence was trown out all together. She had something totally
different from the others. She was given a new trial and that is the
sentence that stuck. Not the death penalty. She recieved a 7-to-life
sentence.
She is not just a good candidate for parole. She is a EXCELLENT
candidate for parole. Parole was part of her sentence and the law
should be fulfilled in her case. She has worked steadfastly for 30
years for her parole and done everything that the Board has ever
asked her to do. Her participation was minimal and she contributed
more as an ader and abetter and an accessory to murder. I have
studied her case very thouroghly and I have all her parole hearings
on video.
She posseses a personal charm and is very elegant and articulate.
She has been in prison for 35 years and that has to count for
something. She was 19 at the time of the murders. 35 years is a
life time. She along with Pat and Susan are the only women in
California today who have been in prison for more than 30 years.
17 comments:
glh ive seen you around kts. you seem to only care and support the killers.
just so you know i was only joking with you. i saw the earlier topic today in kts lol
yes lulu should be free
and get parole
I don't totally buy her story either. She knew full well what she would be participating in that night and she wanted to be part of it. She was bummed out that she didn't get to go along the night before to the Tate residence. She did a lot of things that don't indicate she's the nervous innocent she portrays. She put the pillowcase over Rosemary's head and tied a lampcord around her neck. She held her down while Pat tried to stab her. She put on some of the dead woman's clothes and took food out of her refrigerator. At one point after the murders didn't she say something like, "Stabbing is fun! The more you do it, the more fun it is."
Hand over the keys, please.
Hey Magick
I am not even IN America at the moment
Being a Col takes me around the world
most likely didn't commit?????? she admitted to committing it.
leslie went willingly, she took rosemary into another room, she tied her up, she wrapped a lamp cord around her neck, she held her down so patricia could stab her, she went and got tex, she continued to hold her down then she took part in stabbing her too. and you say only tex killed this woman? she then bragged that the more you stab someone, the more you like it. she made a bad choice?
tell that to rosemarys family. i think desert mouse needs to go back and take a refresher course about this case, they seems to be forgetting a few things.
The fact remains, SiebenzumSterben, that the trial where she was convicted and sentenced to death was thrown out. On retrial, she was given life. While the others got out of the death penalty due to a technicality (Calif. abolishing it), she did not.
Why do people insist on shooting their mouths off about stuff they obviously know little about?
bill nelson isn't a source i'd be proud to say i believe in. he was a moron who couldn't even spell. he said he heard? whoopie.
it's not as though leslie ran out screaming for help or turned anyone in after the fact. she's as guilty as the rest and i think we all know she isn't going anywhere.
we could argue about this forever but the decision to free leslie doesn't rest in our hands. if it did, her punishment would be a lot more severe.
if anyone here has ever bothered to read leslies trial testimony you'd know that she not only testified that she stabbed rosemary in the buttocks but also possibly in the neck. many of rosemarys wounds were not post-mortem, one of the wounds severed her spine and was in and of itself a fatal wound. did leslie stop and take rosemarys pulse before she began stabbing her? doubt it. leslie could have very well been the one to deliver the fatal stab wounds, since she admits to stabbing her sixteen times. no one can prove she didn't kill rosemary. for someone who didn't want to murder someome she sure stabbed her enough times. rosemary was stabbed 41 times any one of six were fatal.
and for the record, i'm not a "bugliosi cheerleader". i've read his book but that doesn't mean i buy the whole package. i don't recall making any references to bugliosi anyway.
I believe since they brought back the death penalty, the sentences should stand and they should all be put to death. This is absurd that they live. They should go before Tookie Williams for God sake!
if rosemary was dead when tex got done with her explain how it was that she crawled two feet with a severed spine. it's going to take more than "a pretty good bet" to convince me that rosemary was dead when leslie began stabbing her. i think spending the rest of their lives in prison is the least all of them can do. leslie should have thought about all this before she made the choice to put herself there. no one forced her to go. matter of fact, she wanted to go. like i said, for someone who didn't want to participate she sure stabbed her enough times. i have no sympathy for leslie. she's living with the choice she made.
because i feel she should stay in prison means i hate her? so by your logic you must be in love with her. i can feel someone needs to pay a debt to society without hating them. i don't like what leslie did and i don't like what any of them did, equally.
i don't care if it took 100 trials to convict her, point is she was comvicted. you "many people" do not have any say in her fate so you can feel whatever you like. i'm not trying to change your opinions. i'm only stating mine.
i have plenty of class thankyou. i just choose not to worship murderers because they were once teenagers. we were all teenagers once. leslie isn't special.
I'm not making excuses for her. What she did was wrong and she knows it but there's no way that she can undo her participation in her commitment crimes.
i agree with that, she cant undo them, but she can pay for them. i don't feel im being hard on her. im not making the decision to keep her in prison, the parole board does that. im not the one who sent her to prison. a jury did that. im not the one who got her involved in all of this. SHE did that.
tex may have been "instrumental" but no one threatened her life if she didn't participate. remember, she wanted to go. she knew people were going to die then has the nerve to act surprised when it begins happening. she also played her part in covering up the crimes by burning the clothes the wore. she also stole coins from the labianca home and passed them out at the ranch. leslie wasn't sorry for her crime when she was on trial. of course she's sorry 36 years later, she wants her freedom. the labiancas wanted their lives but did she care? why should i care about leslie?
you may believe she has paid her debt but apparently the parole board doesn't share your opinion.
its not my job to forgive leslie. im not the one who put her where she is. leslie is paying for a crime she happily committed. now shes paying for it. she had a brain, she should have used it 36 years ago. if she had, she wouldn't be where she is now. leslie was fine at her first trial to face the gas chamber. she said it didn't bother her at all. then facing life in prison shouldn't bother her either. its the least she can do. sometimes the hardest things we do in life are the things we do to ourselves.
let me also add that if leslie had broken down during her trial and said she was sorry for her actions, that she was filled with remorse, i could easily say that shes served enough time. but that didn't happen. leslie laughed and giggled all through the trial. the jury was at one point sympathetic to her, until she took the stand and they realized just how cold and unfeeling she was. they lost any sympathy they had for her.
i feel that out of all of them i don't feel that she deserved the death penalty. life in prison is enough.
no, leslie wiped the place for prints after her stabbing deed was done. while patricia was writing the messages in blood. they took showers, got something to eat fed the dogs and left. you can say that leslie didn't want to do it until the end of time. it will never change the fact that she DID do it. and her saying NOW that she didn't want to do it doesn't matter. remember that during her trial she had no guilt in her, rosemary wasn't the only person to have died. tex tex tex, all you seemed focused on is tex. leslie allowed herself to be told to stab another human being. thats not manson, thats not tex, thats not me, thats LESLIE. blaming tex is the same as blaming manson. leslie did it you cant escape that fact. if she never intended to stab anyone then whyd she stab her 16 frigging times? just there to help? being there to help darling makes her guilty of their murders. this is a pointless debate. i don't think rosemary deserved to be murdered but is she going to rise up from her grave if leslie gets paroled?
Desert Mouse said "the more you stab someone, the more you like it" was said by Sadie Mae Glutz you putz, not Leslie Van Houten.
Glutz - putz - you're a great poet!
Diane Lake testified that Leslie said those words to her regarding the stabbing of Rosemary LaBianca.
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