tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post8903491437482680254..comments2023-11-03T03:18:55.138-07:00Comments on Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: Mother is Only Half a WordColScotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comBlogger100125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-90031182181449320032017-07-18T17:08:34.595-07:002017-07-18T17:08:34.595-07:00Bill was pretty easy to befriend.Bill was pretty easy to befriend.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09641582693467473665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-40394944683696378932011-04-09T02:26:58.176-07:002011-04-09T02:26:58.176-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.pvm777https://www.blogger.com/profile/15634896368684294414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-44229534854683763852011-04-09T02:26:05.771-07:002011-04-09T02:26:05.771-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.pvm777https://www.blogger.com/profile/15634896368684294414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-20045392841042301832007-03-04T00:45:00.000-08:002007-03-04T00:45:00.000-08:00jempud a dit... Never underestimate the power o...jempud a dit...<BR/><BR/> Never underestimate the power of strong dope. An acid tab a day keeps sanity away...<BR/>...<BR/>You are probably right Jem, all those drugs had to affect their thinking...<BR/><BR/>as for LSD since I was 12 years old in 1969 I was too young to get involved with friends and so on with acid and then after it did not interest me, so I can not imagine the effects on the brain...<BR/><BR/>for marijuana as LVH talks casually on Parole Hearings they used to smoke even the day of the murders and for her it looks like that substance is like no big deal...<BR/>not that sure, I smoked on and off for years and stoped 3 years ago and frankly I feel much better whitout it...<BR/><BR/>And for the friends who fried their brains, hopefully none of my close friends had the bad luck to have exagerated...but I see what you mean when I see zombies like persons getting worse year after year...angeLoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01318721769149674685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-27229330889709148842007-03-03T14:49:00.000-08:002007-03-03T14:49:00.000-08:00Well Pristash, if you're the right age and the rig...Well Pristash, if you're the right age and the right sex and were around Caliornia at that time .. well, maybe we're both in for a shock <BR/><BR/>Asking someone's name wan't such an issue then ..<BR/><BR/>Mind you, I think you might have noticed my tail feathers ..<BR/><BR/>Jemjempudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02951791860743186080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-78655084093047675692007-03-03T14:30:00.000-08:002007-03-03T14:30:00.000-08:00Jempud said:...And I got the clap in 69- in Leucad...Jempud said:<BR/><BR/>...<BR/>And I got the clap in 69- in Leucadia CA, but not through the feet .. brought back from Vietnam by a GI no doubt.<BR/><BR/>Did the brown stain test recently (well when I had my first HIV checks) and can state categorically that I never had syphilis.<BR/><BR/>Thought y'all might like to know <BR/><BR/>Jem <BR/><BR/>Hey, Jem,<BR/><BR/>I remember you.....<BR/><BR/>(just kiddin)starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-29742308654518287322007-03-03T14:21:00.000-08:002007-03-03T14:21:00.000-08:00Jempud said: yes, funny how I keep forgetting I'm ...Jempud said: <B><I>yes, funny how I keep forgetting I'm just a simple duck from Grasmere</I></B><BR/><BR/>The difference is that you don't care whether anyone else believes you are duck or not...<BR/><BR/>You are quite sure of your "duckiness" and don't need the confirmation of others. :)Skyhookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16477669507677783478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-90825139293664782512007-03-03T14:13:00.000-08:002007-03-03T14:13:00.000-08:00Skyhook diceNearly everyone fantasizes...yes, funn...Skyhook dice<BR/><BR/><I>Nearly everyone fantasizes...</I><BR/><BR/>yes, funny how I keep forgetting I'm just a simple duck from Grasmere<BR/><BR/>Maybe Salem is really an ugly duckling - unaccepted by her peers because she is unwillingly different from them - and will in time grow into a big white Mute Swan (well more realistically a loquacious Swan, I guess), universally loved and universally accepted.<BR/><BR/>Quack<BR/><BR/>Jemjempudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02951791860743186080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-15793969682045483132007-03-03T14:02:00.000-08:002007-03-03T14:02:00.000-08:00Jempud said: ...the ‘Salem problem’...Salem is pla...Jempud said: <B><I>...the ‘Salem problem’...</I></B><BR/><BR/>Salem is playing a different "game" to us. As I said before I don't think it is necessarily harmful, but it has its own rules (unlike scientific method) and is probably enjoyable and fulfilling <B>for her</B>.<BR/><BR/>Nearly everyone fantasizes...Skyhookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16477669507677783478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-32899386536033159882007-03-03T13:07:00.000-08:002007-03-03T13:07:00.000-08:00It is said – I don’t have the source to hand – tha...It is said – I don’t have the source to hand – that 20th Century mathematician and philosopher Lord Bertrand Russell, a famed disbeliever in the existence of God, was once asked what he would say to God should he (Russell) be wrong and meet Him face to face after death. Russell replied, "I’ll say, you did not give me enough evidence."<BR/><BR/>Another, better known saying of Russell’s, from his <I>Sceptical Essays (1928), "On the Value of Scepticism"</I>, was: “It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true”.<BR/><BR/>This was in my mind this weekend as I wrestled with what we might call the ‘Salem problem’. Well, it’s been a quiet weekend. <BR/><BR/>Let me first of all say that to the best of my knowledge Salem is a pleasant, diligent and well-meaning person who has come under a lot of flak on this blog and elsewhere, and in this posting I mean her no harm. I am simply interested in knowing why she suffers so much from misunderstanding. <BR/><BR/>The first aspect of the ‘Salem problem’ is the question of what it is that Salem knows that others do not accept. I have tried to approach this objectively, by reading all her recent posts (at least those under the moniker of ‘Salem’), in this blog and in the last few days on the Sniper Madness blog. The latter does not make pleasant or even educated reading, but then this blog had its dark moments not that long ago …<BR/><BR/>The quintessence of Salem’s claims seem to be that she has been friendly with some members of the family for many years, is in contact with many of them now and has a good working knowledge of Manson family affairs both now and in the past. She also claims that she speaks regularly with Charles Manson and that she is involved with a gathering of family members and the construction of a website that will shortly go on line as a pay-site that will make available Manson’s messages (contemporary or historic, or both – this is not clear to me) to subscribers in order to raise funds to look after Manson in his old age.<BR/><BR/>At this stage let us implement the ‘willing suspension of disbelief’ for just a while. Legalities of the venture aside (I am no legal expert), there is in principle nothing in that bundle of claims that could not be absolutely true. So why the almost universal reticence to accept these claims.<BR/><BR/>This is where we need to hark back to the Russell quotes. There is an onus of proof, or at the least compelling evidence, and the onus is not on the disbeliever to disprove the claims but on the plaintiff to prove them. This, I think is where Salem’s case begins to show cracks.<BR/><BR/>So, Salem’s case may be true, but it doesn’t convince without evidence. Evidence is essential to thinking man, and the burden of evidence is just as necessary in a blog as in a court of law or a philosophical/scientific debate. But evidence here is in short supply.<BR/><BR/>A second disadvantage to Salem’s claims is her apparent inability to maintain a measured tone. If you want your audience to accept your arguments you must convince them on the strength of the arguments, not by the strength of your arm or the loudness of your voice, nor by replying to selected points and ignoring others. Salem, however, seems not to be able to maintain the gravitas and moderation of the rational mind, throws tantrums and gets distracted by periphera, and this does little to make her arguments more compelling.<BR/><BR/>In short, I do not know whether there is truth to what Salem claims or not. I am not able to know. As I frequently say on this blog, I was not there. But I do know that if I am to be convinced I, and I venture other blog members, will need to be convinced by a) some tangible and independently verifiable evidence and b) an argument or reply that doesn’t duck (if you’ll pardon the word, Skyhook) the obvious inaccuracies and inconsistencies that are pointed out to her.<BR/><BR/>So, Salem, and this is partly addressed to you and partly to all of us, I would like to believe you and would like you to be believed. I think you have had a hard time recently, and I have no reason to doubt your human kindness and good nature. But if you really want to be taken seriously, please do consider how to help others to want to believe you.<BR/><BR/>Peace<BR/><BR/>Jemjempudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02951791860743186080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-52797333630050804892007-03-03T04:57:00.000-08:002007-03-03T04:57:00.000-08:00great post thank you Colgreat post thank you Coldeadwoodhbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08833243029692385071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-23991757699969753732007-03-03T01:36:00.000-08:002007-03-03T01:36:00.000-08:00Never underestimate the power of strong dope. An a...Never underestimate the power of strong dope. An acid tab a day keeps sanity away. Not to mention social and moral responsibility. These guys did all kinds of dope all the time - including, by admission, before going up to CD.<BR/><BR/>I myself (and maybe you too) had one or two friends who did too much dope back in the 60s and fried their brains - now they are fit for nothing. One guy I knew then now sits in a chair all day dribbling and dosn't know who he is (and no, it's not Alzheimers). <BR/><BR/>People like that didn't kill anyone, but who knows if they could have, given sufficient encouragement.<BR/><BR/>Jemjempudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02951791860743186080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-15376757631435858292007-03-03T00:53:00.000-08:002007-03-03T00:53:00.000-08:00Pristash a dit... Mother is only half of the wo...Pristash a dit...<BR/><BR/> Mother is only half of the word I'm thinking of when I think of LK...but she really was all VB had, if he could have proved more then we would know the real deal and not just the Helter Skelter BS. <BR/><BR/>Was it real BS this HS...? ...not sure...<BR/><BR/>LVH, LK, PK... etc thought CM was JC right ?<BR/>amaizing how stupid some people really are..! for one thing he used to live 2000 years ago ...<BR/>They realized after a few years in jail CM had lied to them and he was not JC...just a selfish megalomaniac interested in his own promotion.<BR/>This HS , this racist theory was for the young gullible "friends" a theory they thought possible and they were going to initiate the war... not the general CM of course......damn how dumb some people really are...<BR/><BR/>And some of you still think CM is some kind of Jesus Christ...?angeLoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01318721769149674685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-35424620678302537552007-03-02T16:43:00.000-08:002007-03-02T16:43:00.000-08:00ROFLMAOIf you're happy and you know itGet the clap...ROFLMAO<BR/>If you're happy and you know it<BR/>Get the clap..<BR/><BR/>Sorry I couldn't help myself, no disrespect meant...<BR/><BR/>Still playing twister, Dok? LOL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-22360020983498053842007-03-02T15:53:00.000-08:002007-03-02T15:53:00.000-08:00Hey Cat, you ever get the clap? LOLHey Cat, you ever get the clap? LOLDokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11235011420648512760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-34759226789949612992007-03-02T13:47:00.000-08:002007-03-02T13:47:00.000-08:00Avian clap? More like a standing ovulation …Actual...Avian clap? More like a standing ovulation …<BR/><BR/>Actually, who knows .. like young people of the time I was pretty promiscuous around California (San Diego, Carmel, LA, Frisco) over the summer of 69 (that's why I got the clap) and by the principle of six degrees of separation I could well have had a 'connection' with Sexy Sadie ..<BR/><BR/>Makes you think, doesn't it.<BR/><BR/>Jemjempudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02951791860743186080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-83893556202543324002007-03-02T13:17:00.000-08:002007-03-02T13:17:00.000-08:00Jempud said: And I got the clap in 69- in Leucadia...Jempud said: <B><I>And I got the clap in 69- in Leucadia CA,</I></B><BR/><BR/>This was avian clap no doubt!Skyhookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16477669507677783478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-16811835831220965042007-03-02T11:45:00.000-08:002007-03-02T11:45:00.000-08:00Probably true that most 'everyone went barefoot' b...Probably true that most 'everyone went barefoot' back then - I for one don't think I wore shoes from 1967 to 1972 'cept when I got a job.<BR/><BR/>And I got the clap in 69- in Leucadia CA, but not through the feet .. brought back from Vietnam by a GI no doubt.<BR/><BR/>Did the brown stain test recently (well when I had my first HIV checks) and can state categorically that I never had syphilis.<BR/><BR/>Thought y'all might like to know <BR/><BR/>Jemjempudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02951791860743186080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-35223869546694500372007-03-02T02:33:00.000-08:002007-03-02T02:33:00.000-08:00Argh....ok, that must hurt then!... :(Argh....ok, that must hurt then!... :(angeLoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01318721769149674685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-58346170469921146972007-03-02T00:28:00.000-08:002007-03-02T00:28:00.000-08:00jempud a dit...Then I read that syphilis was so ri...jempud a dit...<BR/><BR/>Then I read that syphilis was so rife that some of the girls - especially SA - found it too painful to wear shoes. In fact I think i read somewhere that SA spent a long time in hospital with syphilis (and Dennis Wilson footed the bill).<BR/><BR/> I don't know a lot about the effects of syphilis but I think it doesn't do the head/brain/mind much good...<BR/><BR/>Actually it was not Syphilis, but the Clap, another name for Gonorrhoea and it does not affect the brain, but must be treated...<BR/><BR/>Syphilis can affect the brain on it's tertiary stage, yes...like some famous people had it ...<BR/>Lénine<BR/>Benito Mussolini<BR/>Howard Hughes <BR/>Al Capone<BR/>Vincent Van GoghangeLoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01318721769149674685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-46318867049374411282007-03-01T12:49:00.000-08:002007-03-01T12:49:00.000-08:00One thing that bothered me was why (some of) the ...One thing that bothered me was why (some of) the killers at both places went bare feet. Then I read that syphilis was so rife that some of the girls - especially SA - found it too painful to wear shoes. In fact I think i read somewhere that SA spent a long time in hospital with syphilis (and Dennis Wilson footed the bill).<BR/><BR/>I don't know a lot about the effects of syphilis but I think it doesn't do the head/brain/mind much good...<BR/><BR/>I also remember reading somewhere (my mind is addled today) about one of the family (female) called 'Lil feet' - presumably cos she had very small feet - and that she was one of the mop up team. (Salem mentioned this too on another blog recently). But I can't remember if it said who 'Lil feet' was - anyone know?<BR/><BR/>Dunno what Snipe 100 means either LOL<BR/><BR/>Love y'all<BR/><BR/>Jemjempudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02951791860743186080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-10279883736065107612007-02-28T13:40:00.000-08:002007-02-28T13:40:00.000-08:00Damn...I could have sniped at 100 too, but I could...Damn...I could have sniped at 100 too, but I couldn'e remember the word....and smack probably wouldn't have the same impact...starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-17288826313627613392007-02-28T13:27:00.000-08:002007-02-28T13:27:00.000-08:00Fine Dok---dont say hi to me..meow!!Glad you are w...Fine Dok---dont say hi to me..meow!!<BR/>Glad you are well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-51122141581713416672007-02-28T13:18:00.000-08:002007-02-28T13:18:00.000-08:00Snipe 100! Hi to you too Deb!!Snipe 100! <BR/><BR/>Hi to you too Deb!!Dokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11235011420648512760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-42885538619454922442007-02-28T02:51:00.000-08:002007-02-28T02:51:00.000-08:00Pristash a dit... I agree with Heaven's post......Pristash a dit...<BR/><BR/> I agree with Heaven's post...the blood map certainly indicates that the bodies were moved as none of the killers ever said Jay or Sharon were anywhere outside of the living room.<BR/><BR/>Wasn't there some mistakes by the police about the blood types ?<BR/><BR/>it does not seem , from the pictures of the crime scene( for example in the ATWA site, who's text is so irrespectfull of the victims, life in general, and of themself, that even CM, I'm sure would be against this text and the people behind this site ) that STP has been moved . <BR/>She has been stabed in the heart 3 times then rolled over and stabed 8 times in the back , then rolled on her left side were she still protect her heart with her left fist , and you can see the darker color of the blood on the floor...were the blood was comming from and nobody dared to touch her after her death...probably.angeLoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01318721769149674685noreply@blogger.com