tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post8220454481721724026..comments2023-11-03T03:18:55.138-07:00Comments on Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: Weary Dreary Leary7ColScotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-7046812437874007262012-02-21T14:02:18.893-08:002012-02-21T14:02:18.893-08:00Leary7, You must have just finished reading the BU...Leary7, You must have just finished reading the BUGs new book about the JFK shooting. If I knew nothing about the BUG, after seeing HIS theory on JFK, I would think he was either trying to make money or was just plain stupid! You have to be a complete idiot devoid of any common sense capabilities to think that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assaisan, or better yet even knew about what was going to happen. Oswald didn't yell out those famous words" I am a Patsy" for nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-26255887736684798622011-08-14T14:40:28.915-07:002011-08-14T14:40:28.915-07:00as weird and idiotic as this may seem, Melee, I re...as weird and idiotic as this may seem, Melee, I really don't feel like I am defending Liz so much as just acknowledging that if Liz wasn't doing what she does odds are somebody else would be.<br />How many copies of Helter Skelter were sold? And again, odds are a good per centage of those who read it would be curious how the characters involved turned out, even the lesser ones. Somebody posted over there that they can't wait to see an update photo of Cottage Jo or Madiline Cottage, I forget and frankly can't remember who she is from the book. But people have their favorites.<br />Where do you draw the line? Some would say, including, I suspect, most lawyers, that if you spent any serious time at Spahn you made yourself part of an infamous story and are thus fair game. Is that fair? As I have said, probably not. But it is reality.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-22265275273890039512011-08-13T18:05:02.917-07:002011-08-13T18:05:02.917-07:00Leary7, if you lived with Lee H. Oswald's daug...Leary7, if you lived with Lee H. Oswald's daughter, then you must have seen her pain. Did you like that? Or did you think it was wrong.<br /><br />Let me explain one thing to you.<br /><br />The Media does go after people for one reason: to make money.<br /><br />That is the only source of income for these people. They pay their mortgage, feed their families, clothe their children, maybe pay college tuition with this money. Do they exploit people. Yes.<br /><br />Evil liz on the other hand doesn't make money from this, as far as I know. It's just a blog.<br /><br />So the reason is: just the thrill of entertaining her audience?<br /><br />Two very different scenarios as far as I can see.<br /><br />We can talk about legal or illegal...or we can talk about right or wrong.<br /><br />If you were engaged to LHO's daughter, and saw her pain, then surely you know the pain of Diane Lake.<br /><br />Would you defend Liz now?melee1969https://www.blogger.com/profile/04636511416860941614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-17261985239078187652011-08-13T17:34:15.782-07:002011-08-13T17:34:15.782-07:00hey Melee, of course I can see that. I was engaged...hey Melee, of course I can see that. I was engaged to and lived with Oswald's daughter for two years. I saw it firsthand. In spades. <br />The emotional answer is of course everyone deserves their privacy. And in a perfect world they would get it. But there is nothing in our constitution about emotional fairness.<br />There is, however, a whole lot about free speech and free enterprise. I don't always agree with it, but that is the world we live in.<br />If a magazine thinks a profile of Ted Bundy's daughter would sell some copies, then God bless her but the magazine is going to go for it. Is it fair? Probably not. It just is what it is, the world we live in.<br />One can howl at the moon all night, it ain't gonna change the reality of dawn.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-59165740762561660562011-08-13T17:11:18.033-07:002011-08-13T17:11:18.033-07:00Leary7, pertaining to the picture of the 2 year ol...Leary7, pertaining to the picture of the 2 year old, the law is very concise on what constitutes child pornography. <br /><br />If there is a picture of a nude child on the internet, that doesn't consitute porn, BUT, if it is presented in a lacivious manner, or is worded to generate a sexual response, then it is definitely child pornography.<br /><br />The question here is, which is it? That will be decided by the courts.<br /><br />As to evil liz, I'm not inferring that she's mean. All I'm saying is that maybe she should be a little more empathetic toward the people that she's snatching photos from to entertain her people on a blog.<br /><br />There's entertainment, and then there's violating a person's privacy.<br /><br />I believe another person on a previous thread stated that the Manson Family should be considered "public figures", as they were photographed quite a bit when they were young.<br /><br />I disagree. They were mixed up kids who thought it was cool then.<br /><br />They've grown up now. And the point I'm trying to make, black or white, happy or sad, right or wrong, is that they most likely don't want their current peers to know their past. <br /><br />And that's understandable. Can't you see that??melee1969https://www.blogger.com/profile/04636511416860941614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-30185604590058161792011-08-13T17:00:07.618-07:002011-08-13T17:00:07.618-07:00way beyond my capabilities.
and thanks for the in...way beyond my capabilities. <br />and thanks for the info on barstool - I knew nothing about the caption or zoom. That does seem to cross a line.<br />it is one of the toughest calls there is, Melee. I want to support free speech, but you're right, some of the stuff just seems way beyond not just bad taste but basic fairness.<br />I guess my perspective is colored a bit because I have gotten to know Liz a bit and don't think she has a mean bone in her body. And she has great empathy for most of the Manson participants. <br />I hate to fall back on a cliche, but taste, like art, is subjective. As long as Liz is within the law, all one can do is accuse her of bad taste. I just wish folk would do it with more civility and less insults.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-39157691440861331002011-08-13T16:44:08.379-07:002011-08-13T16:44:08.379-07:00Leary7, Barstool Sports did put up a nude photo of...Leary7, Barstool Sports did put up a nude photo of Tom Brady's two year old son, zooming in on his genitals.<br /><br />But it's not the picture, but the wording underneath it, describing the genitals of a 2 year old boy, that might just get this guy fired.<br /><br />It is indeed a slippery slope. I don't think that evil liz did anything illegal, but I do feel it's immoral.<br /><br />Who are we to judge these people? Diane Lake didn't kill anybody, or even hurt anybody that I know of. But she will always have that stigma of the Family. <br /><br />I for one, think that she and others like her that made a mistake years ago, just be left alone.<br /><br />If a blog administrator wants to ask permission for pictures, then that's okay. But evidently, evil liz isn't doing that, as evidenced by Diane's request to remove certain pictures.<br /><br />What constitutes good taste and bad taste? Why don't you define that for us?melee1969https://www.blogger.com/profile/04636511416860941614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-35230524365048640152011-08-13T16:36:32.384-07:002011-08-13T16:36:32.384-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.melee1969https://www.blogger.com/profile/04636511416860941614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-21120161619979029372011-08-13T16:35:14.055-07:002011-08-13T16:35:14.055-07:00sorry dickhead, but do you really want to equate w...sorry dickhead, but do you really want to equate what Liz does with someone being raped? Seems a stretch to me.<br />And comparing her sleep to the sleep of murderers and thieves is likewise really silly. What Liz does is not illegal. You may think it unethical or sleazy, and that is certainly your right. But the old Howard Stern arguement of "just turn the dial" still applies. Nobody is being robbed or murdered or raped.<br />The ONLY debate here is what constitutes good taste vs bad taste.<br />The website Barstool Sports just put up a photo of Tom Brady's two year old son frollicking naked on the beach in Costa Rica. There are now legions of proper Bostonians who want the editor of the site arrested for child porn. It certainly was in bad taste, but the lawyers are saying no legal grounds for prosecution.<br />The internet is a slippery slope when it comes to ethics.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-70430080317169788732011-08-13T14:50:55.426-07:002011-08-13T14:50:55.426-07:00D-head...
it is not my intention to exploit anyon...D-head...<br /><br />it is not my intention to exploit anyone.. <br /><br />When you put it like that I feel like a dueche bag lol<br /><br />I am not taking any sides- and I understand where you are coming from.<br /><br />I have said a few times- If a choice was left to me- I would not publish photos personally if the choice were left to me...<br /><br />I do enjoy seeing them though, and certain members of the family went very far out of there way to get attention- so in some instances I dont feel overly hypocritical about that ( but maybe a little0<br /><br />when you put on a show like that- and go to those extremes with your behavior knowing cameras are on you, like some of them did- it isn't really as easy for you to decide when people should stop being interested and leave you alone....<br /><br />but not all of them are in that category, and not all of them deserve it...<br /><br />Diane for one- certainly gets a pass for most of her involvment in my book... she was young, and without much parental guidance- and as far as I know- wasn't directly involved in any violence... ( Shorty?)<br /><br />So if this one wanted a chance to start over with some privacy- I would not be one to ruin that...<br /><br /> I just wanted to throw out there another possibility as tho how the whole thing may have went down<br /><br />Liz may be good or bad- she may have it coming- I dont really know. But she just never seemed stupid or gullible to me- that's all I was saying....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-67285142676921551802011-08-13T10:00:58.527-07:002011-08-13T10:00:58.527-07:00Ken-
There's a whole army of folks on Youtube,...Ken-<br />There's a whole army of folks on Youtube, Facebook, Cat's blog, LS blog and likely here, who think you suck. JimNY is just the only one who has been bold enough to state it openly. Get it now? Now I'm stating it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-41664799203270148272011-08-13T09:50:22.495-07:002011-08-13T09:50:22.495-07:00Ken-
You accuse everyone of being Jim. It's a...Ken-<br />You accuse everyone of being Jim. It's a defense mechanism. It's easy for you to admit only one person dislikes you. Open your eyes, and realise several people dislike you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-87771853706252475392011-08-13T09:46:08.841-07:002011-08-13T09:46:08.841-07:00Dickhead's writing style, defensiveness and mi...Dickhead's writing style, defensiveness and misogyny are all trademarks of JimNY/Hippie Scholar/MonkeyBoy. I think this is him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-55225004652674243902011-08-13T09:40:09.872-07:002011-08-13T09:40:09.872-07:00There IS a possibility that one or two folks, whos...There IS a possibility that one or two folks, whose photos are displayed on Liz's blog, aren't overly offended. It IS possible a couple of them, really don't care. Dianne may be one of them. There's no way anyone could know for certain, how each person feels individually. I will concede that much. But surely, the vast majority of those folks, did not take those personal family photos with Liz's blog in mind. That goes without saying. <br /><br />"Karma" is discussed often in these circles. If there really is such a thing--- that house of cards, or "house of pictures" will fall eventually. Liz is going to run into the wrong person at some point, and the joke's going to be on her, because some people don't laugh this stuff off. I'm glad I won't be around, or responsible when that day comes. My prediction, is that Liz will be left standing alone on that day, and the rest of you will act like you never knew her.<br /> <br />"Karma"--- we'll just have to see, because unfortunately, it's not "instant" as John Lennon sang.<br /><br />My conscience is clear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-83561851173874609542011-08-13T09:00:36.092-07:002011-08-13T09:00:36.092-07:00Thank you Candy, very well stated.
S/C-
Any behav...Thank you Candy, very well stated.<br /><br />S/C-<br />Any behavior is acceptable, as long as it provides an exciting and interesting thread for you? If others are exploited, that's not a consideration? These are not "Time" and "Life" magazine photos, these are personal photos of people's family events. Again, any behavior is acceptable, as long as it provides an exciting and interesting thread for you?<br /><br />Leary-<br />Because someone sleeps well at night, that makes their behavior acceptable? There are murderers and thieves who sleep well at night. What type of logic is that? That's a foolish yardstick for measuring morality.<br /><br />Leary said-<br />"just don't go there".<br />If you see a woman being raped on the sidewalk, does it stop because you look away?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-56100203384208148652011-08-13T07:26:21.062-07:002011-08-13T07:26:21.062-07:00I have thought the same things as "dickhead&q...I have thought the same things as "dickhead" has mentioned-Dianne in a nice way requested her grandchilds photo be removed as well as some othre people she knows in real life-I am as curious as the next person to see how the old "family" looks NOW-but alot of these pictures for with people in birthing rooms in hospitals with new grandchildren etc etc I think goes a bit too far and this is prolly a great reason WHY these people DONT Contact anyone and refuse emails requests for interviews and close up facebook accounts etc . They know well who they are ( or were back then)and even blocking out a kids pic you still see the other adults with them. I think Dianne asked in a dignified way to stop posting childrens pictures and friends-and no personal insult to Evilliz or her blog I like LIz alot and have defended her many times and also have expressed my opinion to her regarding kids picture long ago when she first started her blog-Peacecandy and nutshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01871828104812368464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-84680602372949022762011-08-13T07:26:03.101-07:002011-08-13T07:26:03.101-07:00I have thought the same things as "dickhead&q...I have thought the same things as "dickhead" has mentioned-Dianne in a nice way requested her grandchilds photo be removed as well as some othre people she knows in real life-I am as curious as the next person to see how the old "family" looks NOW-but alot of these pictures for with people in birthing rooms in hospitals with new grandchildren etc etc I think goes a bit too far and this is prolly a great reason WHY these people DONT Contact anyone and refuse emails requests for interviews and close up facebook accounts etc . They know well who they are ( or were back then)and even blocking out a kids pic you still see the other adults with them. I think Dianne asked in a dignified way to stop posting childrens pictures and friends-and no personal insult to Evilliz or her blog I like LIz alot and have defended her many times and also have expressed my opinion to her regarding kids picture long ago when she first started her blog-Peacecandy and nutshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01871828104812368464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-41544139190194045942011-08-12T18:43:55.404-07:002011-08-12T18:43:55.404-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-79349178888267660072011-08-12T17:03:31.789-07:002011-08-12T17:03:31.789-07:00by the way Suze, you are a dead ringer for an ex o...by the way Suze, you are a dead ringer for an ex of mine. go to youtube and type in 'June Porter and Bryant Gumbal'. you guys could be twins, at least in my eyes.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-72948563091400403652011-08-12T16:55:52.932-07:002011-08-12T16:55:52.932-07:00good for you Suze, for standing up for your belief...good for you Suze, for standing up for your beliefs.<br />The other guy has his beliefs and makes some valid, or at least discussable, points but once again the insults seem to be flowing in just one direction. <br />Asking if someone peed in your cornflakes isn't really an insult in my book, it is just a funny way to inquire why you seem so angry.<br />As I have said elsewhere, the Col and others need to learn that insulting someone is not a form of refutation.<br />From what I hear, Liz sleeps well at night. She is comfortable with how she does business and runs her blog. If you aren't, then, as Suze says, just don't go there - America, free speech and all that. <br />Why people feel the need to insult and vilify those who think differently than they do has always baffled me. Do you really want a world where everyone thinks the same and has the same opinion?leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-45947829811414333412011-08-12T16:03:23.581-07:002011-08-12T16:03:23.581-07:00none of my business, and I admit I have some fondn...none of my business, and I admit I have some fondness for Liz...<br /><br />D- head- I see the point your making, and it is not without some merit...<br /><br />but it is also possible that maybe she made a deal with Diane to get an elusive reaction directly from one of the Family Members she has been featuring- to make her site unique..<br /><br />and it is true that very few sites I read ever get contacted directly from any of them..<br /><br />but it is also true that the letter is fluff and she did accomplish the goal of "picking and choosing" which pictures of herself are shown...<br /><br />I admit- myself- I am still sort of awestruck that one of them actually responded to any of this..<br /><br />and to be truthful- I was so fascinated with the words themselves- I did not initially give much thought to the actual meaning or content of them ...<br /><br />maybe Liz did- and maybe it was still worth it to her???<br /><br />She did get to post something on her blog which is very out of the ordinary....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-31585063771173926992011-08-12T15:07:22.079-07:002011-08-12T15:07:22.079-07:00Suze- I'm perfect with that. My argument is r...Suze- I'm perfect with that. My argument is rock solid. Any intelligent reader with an unbiased perspective, will clearly recognize all my words as true. I've made my points. Talking to you further, will serve absolutely no purpose. I agree with you there. I'd end-up repeating myself again and again, to no result. That's why I suggested, "go back and read my posts". It will save me time and effort.<br /><br />The problem is that Liz is evidently your friend. You can't step back far enough to see the whole picture. I would've been nicer, but the cornflakes remark was unnecessary and irrelevant as Frank said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-43524163706759533692011-08-12T14:42:21.545-07:002011-08-12T14:42:21.545-07:00Much like your mentor, when you are met point by p...Much like your mentor, when you are met point by point you resort to mindless insults. Let both of us stand on our words.Suzehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17042563411146539890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-4070055135534047432011-08-12T14:36:35.418-07:002011-08-12T14:36:35.418-07:00"Get along little doggie". lol"Get along little doggie". lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-20844412226512781092011-08-12T14:34:58.466-07:002011-08-12T14:34:58.466-07:00I'm not yelling, I'm highlighting the &quo...I'm not yelling, I'm highlighting the "key" words for the less mentally capable. Think of it as my personal courtesy to you.<br /><br />It seems you have a doctorate in tabloid magazine law, with a concentration in defending in-ethical behavior and morons. Where exactly does one earn such a degree? Bullshit U? <br /><br />You're talking in circles now. Go back and read my posts 12 times, and maybe things will mesh for you. We can only hope. As the Colonel has stated so eloquently to others before you- "Everything you say going forward, will be tainted by the fact that you are retarded".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com