tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post7336628190609452628..comments2023-11-03T03:18:55.138-07:00Comments on Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: Five Years Ago to the DayColScotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comBlogger124125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-51349832290317598412015-11-20T14:30:19.411-08:002015-11-20T14:30:19.411-08:00"Tex and TJ fled the scene, as did several of...<br />"<b>Tex and TJ fled the scene, as did several of Crowe's men</b>"<br /><br /><br />So Tex and TJ ran off ? How did Charlie get back to Spahn ? And why would Crowe's men run ? If, as AC states, Tex & TJ were scared, then these guys outnumbered Charlie six to one. That's six of their guns to his one that mis~fires.<br /><br />"<b>Charles believed he'd killed Crowe, and threw up out of fear</b>"<br /><br /><br />Threw up out of fear ? He says he stole a shirt from Crowe's "partner." That sounds pretty cocky to me.<br />Besides, wasn't Charlie the guy who had conquered fear ?<br /><br />"<b>The young woman said that she would stay with one of the white men, the one who had ties to the Beach Boys, as he stated he would take her to the hospital for treatment of her wounds</b>"<br /><br /><br />Soooo....Charles went with two men to rescue this woman who had been supposedly grabbed off the street by 7 men and his men and some of Crowe's men had run off but he left the woman with one of the men whom AC assures us had been part of the 7 that had grabbed her off the street and been, at least legally {co~conspirators and all}, guilty of her rape and was armed. Then this co~kidnapper/rapist turns chivalrous knight and says he'll take the woman to hospital for treatment of her wounds.....but says nothing about Crowe !<br />Phew !<br /><br />"<b>This is the whole story as it was told to me</b>"<br /><br /><br />And who do we believe, AC or George ? Both are fervent supporters of Charlie. Both claimed to have his ear. Both can't be right here. Their stories flatly contradict each other. This seems to be a trait where Charlie is concerned, people who love and support him coming up with versions of particular happenings that contradict one another. It seems he tells different people different things on different occasions !<br /><br />On the Beatles' "Yellow Submarine" movie soundtrack album, there's a piece by George Martin that very much reminds me of this version of the Lotsapoppa saga.<br />It's called "Sea of holes."<br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-5253842654565479192015-11-20T14:28:46.985-08:002015-11-20T14:28:46.985-08:00"Charles took Tex and TJ to Crowe's apart...<br />"<b>Charles took Tex and TJ to Crowe's apartment to free the young woman. He brought along a .22 handgun. Apparently Tex did not have the money to make right the payment for the drugs</b>"<br /><br /><br />Ok, this is where this starts {I'm being generous} becoming something from <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jackanory" rel="nofollow">Jackanory</a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb5ndRhEzf8" rel="nofollow">.....</a><br />This is the first that I have ever heard that Tex went along to the woman's apartment. It is not a matter of dispute that TJ and Charlie went, but Tex ? Tex has never said a thing about being there. TJ never mentioned Tex was there. Most importantly, Charlie never mentioned Tex was there. In fact, Charlie told George Stimson that he told Tex to take the money back and Tex was scared and said they'd kill him and then Tex and Sadie ran away because they spent the money on a dune buggy.<br /><br />"<b>When Charles arrived, the people stated above were present, <i>all</i> heavily armed</b>"<br /><br /><br /><br />So these 7 guys, among them 4 ginormous Black drug dealers were not just armed, but heavily armed.<br /><br /> <br />"<b>She had apparently been raped, judging from blood, being disheveled, torn clothing, etc</b>"<br /><br /><br />Even in the accounts of this incident that Charlie gives to Emmons {whatever you want to make of his book} and then Stimson, even where he claims she was tied up, not once does he say she had been raped or was bleeding. He says he told Lotsapoppa to leave the woman alone, which is rather shutting the door after the horse has bolted if she had already been raped. Remember, Charlie claims Crowe was <i>threatening</i> to rape, not already had.<br /><br />"<b>The men advanced on Charles and his crew</b>"<br /><br /><br />Again, Manson says nothing of the sort. He says he gave Crowe the gun and told him to take <i>his</i> life. Crowe slid the gun back and said no. According to Charlie.<br /><br /><br />"<b>Tex was also frightened and tried to waffle</b>"<br /><br /><br />We are honestly to believe that Tex was stupid enough to go back and face Crowe after swiping $2700 of his earlier that night that he supposedly blew on a dune buggy ? Charlie says Tex was going nowhere near that place as he was scared he'd be killed.<br /><br />"<b>the large, heavily armed men moved on them. Charles fired his .22 handgun. He hit Crowe in the stomach, as we know</b>"<br /><br /><br />Although Manson earlier stated to TJ that there were 7 of them, once inside the place, he only mentions one, "his [Crowe] partner" from whom he stole the shirt. <br />AC often emphasizes how small Charles is and how he didn't have the kind of strength that people go on about. Yet we are to believe that with his little .22 handgun, that he held off and scared 7 not armed, but heavily armed people ? <br />Helter skelter is a lot more believable than that.<br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-68950991673705574392015-11-20T14:26:07.232-08:002015-11-20T14:26:07.232-08:00ACFisherAldag said...
"BTW, did any of you h...ACFisherAldag said...<br /><br />"<b>BTW, did any of you happen to notice that although Crowe kidnapped and raped a woman, he walked?</b>"<br /><br /><br />By the way, has it been noticed that Charles shot a man and left him for dead and was never even charged for it, even though the zealous prosecutors and LAPD were well aware of it's occurrence ?<br /><br />"<b>The lady's name was not Rosina</b>"<br /><br /><br />Interestingly, Charles Watson refers to her in his first book as Luella.<br /><br />"<b>She was grabbed off the street by Crowe and his men</b>"<br /><br /><br />Just like that ?<br />Is this plausible ? Actually, yes. Now, whether it actually happened is anyone's guess and everyone's opinion but it's certainly possible. The question that needs to be asked however, is whether or not, having just lost $2700 {$17,497 in 2015 money} and being angry and wanting his money back, would Lotsapoppa be grabbing white women off the streets and for what reason ? Did he honestly expect a man that had just ripped him off and gotten away to throw everything down and come a' running because he had grabbed a woman that he didn't even know ?<br />Let's just say at this point, that while possible/plausible, it's highly doubtful.<br />Manson to Stimson says categorically that Tex planned this scam and wanted to get his money back from this woman whom he says cheated him out of money when he first came to LA. That's Charlie saying this. <br /><br />"<b>Two were white, four other than Crowe were black</b>" <br /><br /><br />So, to get this straight, there were seven men in this tale that Charlie had to face.<br /><br />"<b>Crowe called the Ranch and told Charles that he was holding the young woman until his debt was paid, and if it was not, he would burn down the Ranch, and everyone inside, including the children</b>"<br /><br /><br />There has long been something very curious about this story. If Crowe said he would hold the woman until the debt was paid, why didn't he give any time for the debt to be paid ? <br />And according to this 'source' only threatened to burn the ranch down....at what point ? When he was told Tex wasn't there ? Why hold the woman as a bargaining tool if you're going to threaten to burn down the ranch as your leverage tool ?<br />And how, from one phone call in the dead of night would Crowe know there were kids and other women at Spahn ? I would imagine from Rosina/Luella which tends to kill the tale of her being grabbed off the street.<br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-42486953251820105442015-11-20T11:57:08.497-08:002015-11-20T11:57:08.497-08:00starship said...
"And correct me if I&#...starship said...<br /><br /> <br />"And correct me if I'm wrong, AC, but I believe she comes to Manson somewhat backwards then the rest of us...most of us, again I am assuming, came to this because we remember the crimes occurring, the stories in the newspaper, the books, movies, etc. AC discovered him only through ATWA, as a result of her own environmental concerns...so she doesn't see him, and never has seen him, like most of the rest of us do"<br /><br />Except that she claimed to speak with him for many years and they obviously discussed the crimes. She's answered so many questions pertaining to the crimes and Family members and things that purportedly happened.<br /><br />ACFisherAldag said...<br /><br />"So now we are taking the word of a young lady that was so drugged that she was diagnosed with schizophrenia"<br /><br /><br />Charles was diagnosed with ambulatory schizophrenia. That form of it meant he didn't have to be hospitalized but it indicated something not quite right mentally. Yet AC always takes his word.<br />But you know, I take Charlie's word on a great many things. The fact that someone is frequently drugged does not by implication equate them with being a liar.<br /><br /><br />ACFisherAldag said...<br /><br />"and a woman who lied under oath, that Charles was violent with them"<br /><br /><br />Gypsy lied under oath....to protect Charlie and try to usher in the copycat motive !<br />And she never stated under oath that Charlie was violent. That came some 20~30 years later when she was straightened out, somewhat.<br />Thing is, this is a good example of sinking one's own ship. If you have a go at Gypsy for lying under oath, you have to therefore look at what she actually testified to that was a lie. And what she testified to was that Charlie wasn't in any way responsible for TLB and that Linda Kasabian <i>was</i> ! Things that AC herself spent years on this blog saying. So in order to protect Charlie from the accusation of violence towards women in order to make Lotsapoppa look worse, she inadvertently pulls the rug from one of the supports that acts as a foundation for the points she has made over the last couple of years because one of those supports later in life says Charlie used to beat her.<br />Hmmm....<br /><br />LisaRoweSocio said...<br /><br />"Katie8753 and others posting here have flat out used the term "n*gg*rs" on other blogs"<br /><br /><br />How true this was in 2011, I cannot say, but certainly in 2015, I have seen evidence of this myself. I can't say it thrills me.<br /><br />LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...<br /><br />"But, I must say... sometimes your completely blind devotion to Manson, is baffling"<br /><br /><br />I don't find it baffling. Though I might have done so in 1970.....<br />Love and the willingness to listen to someone, even if you sometimes hit them, is actually truly powerful. Fuelling someone's well being is not an easy thing to do and Charles Manson, love him or hate him, obviously loves, obviously fuels well being and obviously listens well.<br /><br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-23070495949709184752015-11-20T11:23:09.704-08:002015-11-20T11:23:09.704-08:00ACFisherAldag said...
"Charles never held an...ACFisherAldag said...<br /><br />"Charles never held any woman captive"<br /><br /><br />Sooooo....when Stephanie Schram said to Charlie out at Barker that she was homesick and thinking of going back home and he whacked her with a rifle butt and told her to get such thoughts out of her head, that was what ?<br />Stephanie Schram, Kitty Lutesinger, Barbara Hoyt and Sherry Anne Cooper, having to escape from Barker tells us what, particularly given that they had to plan it and wait for the right moment ?<br />When Pat Krenwinkel who loved Charlie and sought his love and says she killed to be loved by him told a psychiatrist in '69/'70 that she was afraid of Charles finding her and killing her, that told us what ? She was his fervent supporter at the time ! She was only away from him at that point because he was in jail and she'd been released.<br />Someone can be held captive by lock, key and rope or in the mind.<br /><br />ACFisherAldag said...<br /><br />"Nor did he threaten to burn down people's homes, with their children inside"<br /><br /><br />Susan Atkins did not want to die in the gas chamber. She didn't want to give up the immunity she had been granted. She did so, she says, because Charlie threatened the life and well being of her son. And because of this, she concurred, put on a 9 month piece of "performance art" as AC once put it, during the trial, and as a result, even when she was a one legged vegetable dying in a hospital bed some 38 years later, that counted against her in the minds of many.<br /><br /><br />ACFisherAldag said...<br /><br />"I do not believe that Charles killed anyone, or ordered them killed"<br /><br /><br />That's the key here, not that he didn't kill or that he wasn't the main wheel in the death of a number of people {or to put it another way, would those 9 people have died were it not for Charles ?}, but that AC <i>doesn't believe it</i>. That's a different matter.<br /><br /><br />ACFisherAldag said...<br /><br />"Crowe was later implicated in other crimes, as well"<br /><br /><br />So was Charles !<br /><br />adam said...<br /><br />"The missing piece of the Manson puzzle is always going to be his involement in the deaths of the LaBiancas (if any). He's had over 40 years to put the record straight on that night"<br /><br /><br />I don't think it's the key or missing piece at all. <br />But I'm more interested in the latter point and the "{if any}." If you take on board Charlie's own words to Vanity Fair in 2011 and his words to George Stimson in "Goodbye Helter Skelter" regarding the LaBianca night, he's implicated himself and sunk himself and no one seems to have picked this up.<br /><br />ACFisherAldag said...<br /><br />"But I guess that Crowe is a victim, because of his skin color, right? OH, the hypocritical thinking!"<br /><br /><br />Crowe was a victim not because he was Black, but because he got shot. End of story.<br /><br /> ACFisherAldag said...<br /><br />"Don't give me 'psychological'. That is crap. They were psychologically capable of..."<br /><br /><br />You know, in parts of Africa, tribesmen tame a baby elephant by tying it to a small tree. It is free to roam the circumference of the rope and it tries and tries to get away from the tree but the rope won't let it. Eventually, it stops trying to get away and becomes resigned to the small area it can roam in. The tribesmen know that as that elephant grows, it has more than enough strength to uproot the tree if it were to try. But by then, it has been psychologically conditioned and it won't try any longer because what has happened in it's mind has been subtly effective. It will do lots of rebellious and independent things....but it will not run from it's tiny circumference, even though it is capable.<br />Interesting. A hold on the mind is rarely acknowledged because we have free will but it is possible and damned effective.<br />You don't even need acid but if acid is involved.......<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-44033319536287567532015-11-20T10:15:24.717-08:002015-11-20T10:15:24.717-08:00TomG said...
"When they got caught and it co...TomG said...<br /><br />"When they got caught and it comes to trial, you can't convict middle class white kids, especially girls.<br /><br /> You need a bad guy"<br /><br /><br />Like Susan Atkins ? She actually came off looking worse than anyone in this sorry affair, even Charlie. If blog pages over the last 10 years are anything to go by, time barely, if at all, improved her rep & standing outside of jail.<br /><br />Streetwalkin said...<br /><br />"May I ask great wise people of this forum 'death to pigs' by Robert Hendrickson is it worth the $90 bucks?" <br /><br /><br />Though 4 years on and ten more $$$s, if you can find a copy, even at $100, buy it. It's a fantastic book.<br /><br /><br />ACFisherAldag said...<br /><br />"If Crowe and Tex had been real men, they would've fought it out amongst themselves, without involving women"<br /><br /><br />Except that the point is that Tex had no intention of ever meeting Crowe again. He duped him out of $2700 ! Crowe wanted <i>very much</i> to meet with Tex again so he could fight it out ! And probably more besides....<br />So by Ac's definition here, Crowe <i>was</i> the real man. <br /><br /><br />Panamint Patty said...<br /><br />"Hendrickson has an interesting take on what people have interpreted to be racism on the part of The Family in his book"<br /><br /><br />That take, to a large extent <i>is</i> still racism. But in fairness to Hendrickson, there is a significant number of people of every race that I know of that actually subscribes to the same view, it's not the preserve of White people. I can't say most but certainly many members of each racial grouping do not want their race to mix with others and sees racial mixing as 'diluting' their race and not mixing as keeping some kind of racial 'purity.'<br />So in that regard, the Family were consistent with much of the world about them.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-10218180965296549632012-02-23T06:59:38.259-08:002012-02-23T06:59:38.259-08:00Wow what a thread, I for one found it interesting,...Wow what a thread, I for one found it interesting, good break from the normal discussion, I am new to these blogs (not the Manson case) and am trying to catch up. I already missed the big blowup on Evilz with weirdo Mr Poirot, this AC one seems interesting hah!<br />1. theres just 1 race people its called the HUMAN RACE, everything else is just ethicitny.<br />2. AC - those .22 caliber bullets seem to work just fine on Steven Parent so like everyone Im not sure WTF you are talking about.<br />3. Lisa, being new to these blogs, I was already struck by the same thought, I think some people are posting under more than 1 screename. But I find this to add to the intrigue of the postings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-82528763084872425012011-06-04T10:08:18.080-07:002011-06-04T10:08:18.080-07:00AC: "If one is attempting to shoot a drug-dea...AC: "If one is attempting to shoot a drug-dealing lowlife kidnapping criminal, of any ethnicity, race, cultural background or national origin, one should definitely use a larger caliber firearm than a .22 handgun. Use a .45 or a 9 mm. These are certain to do more damage at close range, and save the public the expense of incarcerating said criminal. Just think if Mr. Sebring had one on a certain night in 1969."<br /><br />And if Leno, Gary, Shorty or who knows how many others had one, we wouldn't be having this conversation because your Charles would've been blown to Hell wgere he belongs.Vera Dreiserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16434785258950871234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-26613158843871140362011-06-04T09:15:21.032-07:002011-06-04T09:15:21.032-07:00Yes, Vera, lets bring in the ACLU while you are i...Yes, Vera, lets bring in the ACLU while you are in a litigious mode, or some moronic pro bono lawyer, AS IF any lawyer would take on a case like this. Vera give up. Stop playing the race card. Everyone would just love to have the last word, but you, SIR/MADAM (with a dowagers hump most likely) really need to find another avenue to take out your aggression. I saw what ACE wrote over a year ago. Have you seen some of the stuff on <br />youtube? Her comment is complementary compared to some of the seriously disgusting/racist/anti-Semitic stuff on youtube. You should look around. You might even find somebody to sue on the pro Hitler/AB tubes. Why don't you shut up, or meditate, or get some exercise. BTW, your Nancy Grace impression is right on. "Lets unleash the lawyers!" <br /><br />The difference between slander and libel is that slander is the spoken word, whereas libel is a written word i.e. newspaper, anything in the public domain.<br /><br /><b>This blog isn't a public domain, but youtube is.</b><br /><br />The difference between slander and libel is that libel is the written or otherwise published, public defamation of a person or entity such as an organization or company, while slander is the spoken false defamation of a person or entity. Slander can also include bodily gestures while libel can include published photographs. Defamation is any wrongful injury to the reputation of a person or entity.<br /><br /><b>While the right to fairly criticize people or entities and publicly share information is one of the hallmarks of personal freedom, it is illegal to malign the reputation of another through slander or libel.</b>Stalker What's Your Storyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16846298220160053520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-51033943419012230792011-06-04T07:35:22.123-07:002011-06-04T07:35:22.123-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.A.C. Fisher-Aldaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12146703303687868689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-80874112959493632462011-06-04T07:34:58.726-07:002011-06-04T07:34:58.726-07:00Actually, that would be grounds for slander, but w...Actually, that would be grounds for slander, but why bother. Calling you a liar is enough.<br /><br />I've developed a sense of humor about this whole incident, after my family members chanted "I'm garbage!" while walking around the house covered in nasty drainpipe water while fixing the plumbing. Bless you, kids.<br /><br />Also, in response to the statement "she is a card-carrying racist" which indeed is slander -- where can I get one of those cards, anyway? Does it actually say "Racist"? Is it written in gold leaf? Is it laminated? Because I don't want the cheesy race card. <br /><br />I was also reminded, by family members, about a friend of African descent who joined the Klan, just to see if he could... filled out a form, sent them money, and got an official embossed card, which he liked to use at bars for a laugh and a free beer.<br /><br />Last comment on this subject (cuz I no longer care what a liar has to say):<br /><br />If one is attempting to shoot a drug-dealing lowlife kidnapping criminal, of any ethnicity, race, cultural background or national origin, one should definitely use a larger caliber firearm than a .22 handgun. Use a .45 or a 9 mm. These are certain to do more damage at close range, and save the public the expense of incarcerating said criminal. Just think if Mr. Sebring had one on a certain night in 1969. Copper jackets or hollow points work best. Support your local gun dealer and the Second Amendment!A.C. Fisher-Aldaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12146703303687868689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-12129698866919775502011-06-03T19:26:47.366-07:002011-06-03T19:26:47.366-07:00Well, AC, you have a wonderful facility with words...Well, AC, you have a wonderful facility with words. <br />If you think my writing the following passages equals my saying you use the N word and advocate lynching I'd love you to take me to court and sue me for libel or slander. Here is exactly what I wrote: <br />1) <br />"While I do believe in free speech, it's just gonna be impossible to read her [AC] anymore without imagining a lynched black man swinging in her back yard."<br /><br />And <br /><br />2)<br />"She [AC] said he [Crowe] was a "SHINING EXAMPLE OF THE BLACK RACE, WITH AN IQ OF ALMOST 45." <br />She didn't write "exception" she wrote "example." IE, suggesting he was representative of the norm for the "black race." <br />Oh, yeah, and then the lovely AC added, "Shoot him again, Charles." <br />Or, maybe she meant, hang him high, Charles, he's a nigger, he should know better than to kidnap a white woman (who just set him up to be robbed by Tex Watson)."<br /><br />If that, dear AC, in your eyes is the same thing as saying you actually did -- or would do -- those horrific things, then take me to court on libel and slander charges and lets see who wins. <br />It's called "commentary," ie, "opinionating." I never said you actually did any such thing, I simply opined that judging by what you'd written it wouldn't surprise me if you would. That's a lot different than saying you HAD. <br />And I stand by everything I wrote with great white pride!<br /><br />And, no, Charlie would never embellish, or make anything up. <br />Hah! <br />And the information in the police reports came from the woman you call the "kidnap victim" of Crowe, Rosina, as well as the dear-departed TJ and, later, all of this was corroborated by Tex, who I'm sure would've rather had YOUR and Charlie's fictions of the four armed "gynormous drug-dealing black gangsters" with weapons than the factual one of just Bernard Crowe and two surfer-dudes with no weapons. <br />Yeh, trust Charlie's version because he's so much LESS a criminal than Bernard Crowe.Vera Dreiserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16434785258950871234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-89700024491493715502011-06-03T17:36:39.684-07:002011-06-03T17:36:39.684-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-41921369933341828372011-06-03T17:12:36.059-07:002011-06-03T17:12:36.059-07:00My, Vera, aren't we demanding, DEAR? Are you ...My, Vera, aren't we demanding, DEAR? Are you really that used to instant gratification? Some of us have jobs, farms, families and lives, and thus cannot monitor blogs 24-7 in anticipation of answering your questions, no matter how vitally important it might seem to you.<br /><br />Of course, I got the story from Charles. TJ is dead. I'm not in communication w/ Tex Watson, nor do I wish to be. Who else could it be? I further believe that Charles hasn't the mental capacity to create a story of that magnitude, nor embellish it as he did. He has the same inability to lie as a three-year old. It's one of the qualities that I truly appreciate in him.<br /><br />Speaking of lies: Who wrote the police report, anyhow? Who was the primary source? Hmmm, might it be Bernard Crowe, a man whom, in the video that began this discussion, could not string two one-syllable words together without consulting his attorney? Who mumbling is so incomprehensible that he needs subtitles? Crowe is so inarticulate in this video that he seems mentally challenged, thus my (rather mean) remark about his IQ. After taking a couple of shots to the gut, he likely wasn't very cohesive back in 1969, either, and then he hadn't an attorney holding his hand.<br /><br />And I'm so utterly sure that he was completely truthful with the police, after kidnapping a young woman in exchange for drug money. Yup, there is a credible source. NOT. You don't believe the prosecutor, so why are you putting all your faith in a drug dealer and kidnapper, giving his testimony to the LAPD?<br /><br />I'll also thank you to cease lying and slandering me. I made a smart-aleck comment. I advocate using weapons for protecting the home and dispensing immediate, necessary justice when LEN cannot (or will not). I own that.<br /><br />However, I have not here, or anywhere in any print media, or verbally, online or otherwise, used the "N" word. Nor do I advocate lynching, or any other unfounded, wanton violence against innocent people of any race or nation. To say so is an outright lie. Which makes you a liar. Which to me, is the most horrible, degrading, pathetic thing that anyone can be. <br /><br />If you believe that I am a racist, fine, that is your opinion. If you believe that I advocate violence by defending the helpless with a gun, okay. But do NOT make unfounded accusations of lynching, being a "card carrying" anything, or seeking out individuals to harm for no particular reason. Those are all heinous lies, and you darn well know it.A.C. Fisher-Aldaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12146703303687868689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-42659388489947375992011-06-03T08:55:20.566-07:002011-06-03T08:55:20.566-07:00AC?AC?Vera Dreiserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16434785258950871234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-30745758933063297052011-06-02T22:44:34.367-07:002011-06-02T22:44:34.367-07:00Erm, what was this blog about again?Erm, what was this blog about again?adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933298225285078484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-76090748349130467012011-06-02T18:23:45.954-07:002011-06-02T18:23:45.954-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-61283860996765081862011-06-02T17:13:51.535-07:002011-06-02T17:13:51.535-07:00But it was fun for awhile lol...
so thanks Col......But it was fun for awhile lol...<br /><br />so thanks Col...<br /><br />If you are who they say you are- maybe you could do us all a favor and make the movie about all of this that will define the story forever..<br /><br />but if you are not- then its fitting you should run the ultimate blog for people who spend all of there time trying to figure out who is really who- and who knows who- and who met who...<br /><br />I kind of hope we never find out for sure...<br /><br />it seems more fitting that way...<br /><br />just like the case itself<br /><br />Bye Bye<br /><br />St CAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-71497982356112796742011-06-02T17:05:56.490-07:002011-06-02T17:05:56.490-07:00These sites have stopped being about the case a lo...These sites have stopped being about the case a long time ago if you ask me...<br /><br />Im officially retiring...<br /><br />this is really a waste of time..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-42362706525607296442011-06-02T17:04:07.446-07:002011-06-02T17:04:07.446-07:00Congratulations Col- your blog just became Liz par...Congratulations Col- your blog just became Liz part two...<br /><br />Good luck with all your new members :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-61811660491317070132011-06-02T17:02:49.329-07:002011-06-02T17:02:49.329-07:00Lisa - do you live on the farm with AC???
I can s...Lisa - do you live on the farm with AC???<br /><br />I can see that 5'th grade level writing skill in your post..<br /><br />was daddy banging you too??<br /><br />Do you know Charlie as well??<br /><br />I guess when the Nazi gorillas are banging you in your ass- it isn't as boring as listening to me post????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-50112342663019914142011-06-02T16:59:27.009-07:002011-06-02T16:59:27.009-07:00What a fun place this has become filled with winne...What a fun place this has become filled with winners ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-42946406359717860942011-06-02T16:55:34.965-07:002011-06-02T16:55:34.965-07:00Cumstance >>:) but thanks again for the atte...Cumstance >>:) but thanks again for the attention<<<br /><br />Ah shucks, no thanks needed St. Cirrhosistance. However, I thank you for the your long borefest and attention your gave to me. Oh, and Lynyrd? Didn't know you had a blog. Anyway back to liver-boy.<br /><i><b>SMOOOCH!</b></i><br />this tubes for you.<br />http://youtu.be/63lYBalGx7MStalker What's Your Storyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16846298220160053520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-49366356718790669202011-06-02T16:20:38.845-07:002011-06-02T16:20:38.845-07:00AC, You didn't answer my question: Your source...AC, You didn't answer my question: Your source for your version of the Crowe shooting, please?Vera Dreiserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16434785258950871234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-23811292525159274262011-06-02T16:16:24.701-07:002011-06-02T16:16:24.701-07:00If you are purchasing illegal drugs, yes, that doe...If you are purchasing illegal drugs, yes, that does hurt others. It is damaging to the economy. It is destructive of our society. It causes mental and physical defects that working people must pay for. And if YOU have any children, it alters their chromosomes and causes all kinds of physical trauma and cognitive dysfunction. <br /><br />I do not go out an deliberately perpetrate violence on anyone... yet if my home and land is invaded, I have the constitutional right to defend myself and my family. And if you are buying illegal drugs, the people who buy and sell those substances are dangerous, violent people, so you are directly contributing to America's crime.<br /><br />You have absolutely no idea about my children. If you disagree with my opinions, fine, but to call them names while hiding behind a pseudonym is the worst kind of miserable cowardice.A.C. Fisher-Aldaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12146703303687868689noreply@blogger.com