tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post115312287207077981..comments2023-11-03T03:18:55.138-07:00Comments on Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: The Girl with the Twisted TattooColScotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-21883281196012817822012-04-25T09:29:50.119-07:002012-04-25T09:29:50.119-07:00Hello again, Ms. Statman,
Again, I bear you no il...Hello again, Ms. Statman,<br /><br />Again, I bear you no ill will. I am not on Debra's side in any of this, I am merely responding to what I read in my copy of your book through the perspective of my own experience.<br /><br />I make no claim about a vault because I am not privy to the facts, although I tried to garner them. I freely admit that Sharon Tate may well not have been buried in one and that her casket may have been exposed twice when cremains were subsequently buried in the same lot.<br /><br />What I have said is, that because of my own personal experience, I find it unlikely. If you see this as an 'allegation' that's your perogative but it sounds a bit too harsh for my ear. <br /><br />At the same time, again because of my own personal experience, I find it extremely unlikely that Holy Cross Cemetery and the Archdiocese of Los Angeles would have ever allowed you or anyone else to do what you did without being satisfied that you had Roman Polanski's permission.<br /><br />So with that, I shall give you and my OCD a well deserved rest.starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-16717826260376114062012-04-24T16:05:54.046-07:002012-04-24T16:05:54.046-07:00Marliese I am always here if you need me
:) Sain...Marliese I am always here if you need me<br /><br />:) Saints and Angels need to stick togetherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-50333475749952226292012-04-24T15:24:49.372-07:002012-04-24T15:24:49.372-07:00ST. Circumstance said...>>>>
Marliese ...ST. Circumstance said...>>>><br />Marliese in an Angel :)<<<<<<br /><br /><br />I'm glad you're here, St. Circumstance. You always make everything all better. :)Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-62158266056118305592012-04-24T15:23:26.253-07:002012-04-24T15:23:26.253-07:00AlisaStatman said...>>>>>>
Marli...AlisaStatman said...>>>>>><br />Marliese: Interesting article and commentary. <<<<<<<br /><br /><br />Hi,I didn't post an article...just a rant in response to that troll, dickhead. Starship posted the article. <br /><br />Your composure with all this is such a lesson in civility. i'm embarrassed and ashamed of the hate that's been tossed at you from the blogs. <br /><br />I wish you and Brie peace. <br /><br /> <br /><br />IMarliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-32572837580339121242012-04-24T08:19:48.704-07:002012-04-24T08:19:48.704-07:00Alissa, thank you for responding to my post and u...Alissa, thank you for responding to my post and understanding the purpose was to inject a little humour into the discussion.<br />I am sure it is very hard for you to have to explain every detail in a book you worked so hard on. Please keep in mind that if people didnt question things, we would be more of a society like North Korea than the great USA. And just ignore the ones that are disrespectful or just plain mean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-26595068139168144282012-04-24T07:02:35.935-07:002012-04-24T07:02:35.935-07:00Marliese in an Angel :)
Mrs. Statman- your book w...Marliese in an Angel :)<br /><br />Mrs. Statman- your book was an incredible tribute to some real American Hero's who suffered way too much... I feel honored that you would spend a few minutes discussing this with us, and graced by your presence here... <br /><br />I read the book twice, and I am Pro Sharon, and pro Statman<br /><br />and Marliese in an Angel....<br /><br />:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-23256514400312890392012-04-24T06:54:03.142-07:002012-04-24T06:54:03.142-07:00I read a comment on another blog where one of Paul...I read a comment on another blog where one of Paul's passages was flagged as suspect because he remembered exactly how a window sounded when he opened it. Um, he was a "Military Intelligence Officer". Those guys are trained to remember everything. Sights. Sounds. Smells. Nothing gets past them.<br /><br />In open forums everyone has an opinion. Sometimes I'm impressed with the deep thought and consideration put into peoples' comments. Other times I'm reminded that many people speak from a point of their basest fears and hates. <br /><br />As an old favorite comedian of mine Gallagher says, "The public are bovine".Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-34575873187300865262012-04-24T02:09:03.817-07:002012-04-24T02:09:03.817-07:00Marliese: Interesting article and commentary.
Je...Marliese: Interesting article and commentary. <br /><br />Jesse2112…um, I just wanted to say Jesse2112 again.<br /><br />Starship: the problem here, as I see it, is that this is a thread that set about to answer the most (in my opinion) egregious accusations Olsen presented on Debbie’s website about Restless Souls. To give documentation and therefore proof that what Olsen posted is incorrect. You then took that proof to set about a whole new allegation and thus perpetuating more lies about myself and Restless Souls for which you have no proof. If, for instance, your extensive experiences of burials had here in Cali, it may have been an interesting (though inaccurate) debate.<br /><br />More often than not, I’m criticized for coming onto these blogs to comment. “They" say it’s unprofessional, that it’s ruined the integrity of Restless Souls, and that I’ve embarrassed the Tate family by doing so. They claim that I’ve attacked Debbie Tate when all I’ve actually done is address her attack on me. What they don’t understand is that it is on these very blogs that the lies about me were started and so it is here where they must be addressed. Lies that (as documented here) were started by Olsen over 11 years ago. <br /><br />At that time, because I had Patti’s children in my custody, I decided to remain silent—as I knew this would be Patti’s wishes. She would have told me to take the high road, not stoop to their level, and to let it go.<br /><br />The problem with that theory is that people assume silence = guilt and therefore Olsen’s claims (along with the help of Bill Nelson and others) had a decade to snowball into a massive fictitious freak show of who I was and what I’d done. And, as we’ve learned through the Hitler and Goebbels’ legacy: that people will believe any lie, if it is big enough, and told often enough, and told loud enough. So, I’m here and on other blogs to be in your face a little bit to hopefully put to rest some of the old lies and to try to stop some of the new lies (such as your vault claim) from gaining any sort of momentum. <br /><br />For the doubters and the closet readers who will be reporting to others on the Statman-hating and “pro-Sharon” websites/blogs/discussions: No matter what you say, in my heart, I know that Patti, PJ, and Doris are proud of Restless Souls because it is nothing more than a loving tribute to their memory. And, I’m equally confident that they’re proud of me for taking a stance against those who attempt to turn the book into anything but that loving tribute.AlisaStatmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02804232476891059861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-51931465547863993962012-04-23T18:10:00.655-07:002012-04-23T18:10:00.655-07:00Starship said>>>>So even though this r...Starship said>>>>So even though this relevant experience took place in ny state, unless any of you have experienced it first hand, then I think my thoughts on this are more relevant than yours.<<<<<<<<<br /><br />I have had first hand experience in California...far more than I wish, and arranged for my grandmother's cremated remains to be placed in my grandfather's grave in Western New York State. <br /><br />However, the point was...state law and regulations regarding cremated remains burials in an existing grave in New York State are not relevant to cremated remains burials in an existing grave in the State of California, and I'm guessing that you followed the law with your "experience" in New York State..experience you are citing to question (f not discredit) Ms. Statman's account of burying her partner's cremated remains in California.Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-67753343674322203892012-04-23T17:23:12.175-07:002012-04-23T17:23:12.175-07:00Ah Patty, hi, and thanks, i really appreciate what...Ah Patty, hi, and thanks, i really appreciate what you said. :)Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-51521798473748933482012-04-23T16:31:46.308-07:002012-04-23T16:31:46.308-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-90110517456934084852012-04-23T16:31:41.982-07:002012-04-23T16:31:41.982-07:00Ok, please allow me this: again, the reason I am ...Ok, please allow me this: again, the reason I am being an OCD nit picker on this issue is because I have personal experience in burying cremains in an already established grave...in accordance with the law and cemetery policies.<br /><br />So even though this relevant experience took place in ny state, unless any of you have experienced it first hand, then I think my thoughts on this are more relevant than yours.starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-59554280348694117512012-04-23T16:23:49.272-07:002012-04-23T16:23:49.272-07:00April 19, 2012, 7:00 PM
John D’Agata and Jim Finga...April 19, 2012, 7:00 PM<br />John D’Agata and Jim Fingal Address the Facts<br />By JOHN WILLIAMS<br />Minutes before John D’Agata, Jim Fingal and Heidi Julavits appeared at McNally Jackson on Prince Street Wednesday night to discuss the controversial book “The Lifespan of a Fact,” two young women in the crowd were overheard discussing the nature of writing. “When you get down to it,” one told the other, “it’s really all just fiction.”<br /><br />This was the first sign that at least some of those gathered would be on Mr. D’Agata’s side. “Lifespan” takes the form of an argument between him and Mr. Fingal, who had the impossible task of fact-checking an essay about a Las Vegas teenager’s suicide that Mr. D’Agata had published in the literary magazine The Believer several years ago.<br /><br />Mr. D’Agata stumps for the elasticity of facts in the service of larger truths or artistic style. In one of the book’s more notorious passages, he says he changed the number of strip clubs in Las Vegas for his essay because “the rhythm of ‘thirty-four’ works better in that sentence than the rhythm of ‘thirty-one.’ ”<br /><br />Jennifer McDonald, writing on the cover of the Times Book Review, was one of many critics who wasn’t buying it: “D’Agata uses ‘facts’ that aren’t facts to make a statement about a ‘reality’ that is real for no one but himself.”<br /><br />In person, Mr. D’Agata was soft-spoken, a far cry from his combative persona in the book. He started by thanking the crowd for not showing up with rotten vegetables. He and Mr. Fingal explained that the book’s text was a heightened version of their real-life exchanges, crafted to increase the drama of their conflict and make the whole thing more readable, and that they are now friends.<br /><br />Ms. Julavits, a founding editor of The Believer, said someone at the magazine had dubbed Mr. Fingal’s original, less coherent pile of fact-checking documents “The Monster.” Mr. D’Agata drew laughs when he called it a “thrillingly obsessive, anal document.” Read more…starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-2593378364704783042012-04-23T13:06:44.925-07:002012-04-23T13:06:44.925-07:00Wow, some of you people are a trip.
If you don'...Wow, some of you people are a trip.<br />If you don't like the Col's blog, then why do you read it? Jus wondering. Heck, I dont like Cats or Lynards sites, but instead of bashing them I just dont log on.<br />Pretty simple right??<br />Now lets get back to whats important, ME!! Alissa said my name on a post, I feel special now, Someone get her to do it again please,before this feeling goes away!!!<br />I can't stand Robin, but is that really her butt Col? If it is and she can keep her mouth shut, I might have to change my mind.<br />I know,I know, what a sexist thing to say, but c'mon people, thats a cute butt!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-17316824368080555402012-04-23T08:10:24.234-07:002012-04-23T08:10:24.234-07:00Loyal to Sharon, Poirot? Sharon, incase no one has...Loyal to Sharon, Poirot? Sharon, incase no one has told you, is dead.<br /><br />Now let's all just lay off of Marliese. She's a lovely, senitive, thoughtful blogger and we need her.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-47468494787427383382012-04-22T17:03:22.542-07:002012-04-22T17:03:22.542-07:00Dickhead said >>>>>>>> Why...Dickhead said >>>>>>>> Why would a woman of your extreme sensitivity participate here in the first place? Do you even read the threads? Do you read ColScott’s words? Colonel is the most ignorant, insensitive, classless, douche bag you could unearth. How do you feel about that woman giving a blowjob with her asshole in your face? Great photo. Is that your idea of sensitivity? How do you feel about ColScott’s constant hurtful words towards Debra Tate and others? Is that your concept of sensitivity? If you are so classy, how do you justify your participation here? How does your extreme sensitivty allow you to stomach ColScot but not Starship?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<br /><br /><br />I am sensitive, Dickhead. Been told I'm sensitive, and too sensitive my whole life. <br /><br />I justify my participation here because as a child growing up very nearby in Southern California when all of it occurred, I was afraid to go to sleep at night, afraid of my own bedroom window. I want to know the truth, I think all the killers are liars, and I trust that the col's focus is on finding truth. I expect the ugliness...it's an ugly subject matter. I like his sense of humor, I don't think he's ignorant, i think he's usually right about stuff, and I like his thread titles. <br /><br />Apparently a lot of other people do too because while everyone loves to rag on about the Col, they're right on it whenever he updates the blog. Also, he doesn't have double standards...he's not going to chastise me for saying an occasional fuck while it's okay for him to say it. He's not a jerk that way. And he was nice to me once when I needed someone to be nice to me on the boards. I'm loyal that way. So shoot me.<br /><br />If I don't like something he's posted, or don't like a picture, like Matt says...participation here is voluntary, i don't have to look at it. So yeah, i don't read all the threads, and i skip through a lot of what i do read and miss stuff...so you got me there. But you know, the picture you're talking about...at least it's a good looking ass, i don't see any ass 'hole' and the only dick i see is yours.<br /><br />As for Starship, I don't understand his obstinate attitude in response to explanations about the burial of cremated remains, along with apparently what he admits he's been told is the law in California. Someone has even posted here verifying first hand information from a cemetery employee...is that not authentic enough that there has to be a 'but'? Furthermore, his experience in New York State is not relevant. Again, i don't believe Alisa Statman is lying, especially not in the sensitive matter of her partner's final resting place...so yeah, i can't stomach the implication that she is lying to give that particular portion of the book more emotional wallop. I think that would be a pretty despicable thing to do...in my sensitive opinion.Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-9964476089504751002012-04-22T16:03:02.856-07:002012-04-22T16:03:02.856-07:00Dickhead said >>>>>>>Marliese...Dickhead said >>>>>>>Marliese.<br />Your hypocrisy is nauseating. <br />Starship’s research has certainly reached a new level of OCD with this cremains baloney, but you take the cake for biggest nitpicker in cyberspace. Your name should be “Scrutiny” instead of Marliese. I have yet to see you accept a single statement from anyone at face value without evidence. Accepting everything in this book at face value is a complete 180 for you. You and Starship have more in common than you realize. >>>>>>><br /><br /><br />Well. I've been called a hypocrite by someone named Dickhead. Good for you. <br /><br />I'm glad you noticed how frustrated i get when people pass off bullshit as fact. You're right...i voice my objection on that sort of thing frequently. So it's a compliment that anyone can recall my history there, though I think calling me the biggest nitpicker in cyberspace is a bit dramatic, a bit of a reach. But whatever, you're entitled. Beats being called the c word. <br /> <br />I like this book. This book is breaking my heart. I find it real. I don't think it's inauthentic or fabricated. i don't think Alisa Statman is a ruthless liar.<br /><br />I base the gut feeling i have about the book on information that I believe is factual. I believe these people. So WTF do you want me to say? It's my opinion, and i believe my opinion is substantiated by factual circumstances. <br /> <br />On the other hand, I read Debra's statement...I bring up Debra because there's generally an underlying support for Debra in a lot of what you post...in response to the book, and my gut reaction was what a foot stomping little temper tantrum she's having...why doesn't she just write her own book? <br /> <br />And please...let's be fair about facts...Debra Tate has misspoken many times. Want some examples? Here's just a little one...she claims the anal sex Roman Polanski forced on an underage girl was "consensual." Who the fuck is Debra Tate to say such a thing about a 13 year old child? What kind of opinion is that, based on the facts of that crime, or the mere fact that there cannot legally be mutual consent between an adult and a 13 year old child? Debra has misspoken many times. <br /><br />I understand what the author means when she explains the book is about about Patti's perspective from the time she was an 11 year old child and I understand that liberties were taken. And I don't know how anyone could read any of Brie's sections and not think they're genuine. Oh but I did find one mistake...in the section about Van Houten's parole appeal, she refers to the California State Supreme Court as the Superior Court. But that just makes it real to me...an edit issue, and to her credit, as she goes on, she correctly refers to the proper court. So what. Doesn't make the book inauthentic, in my personal opinion.<br /><br />You usually show up here only when so inclined to rant and rave and attack someone personally, so have at it. Dickhead.Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-53424015465624897392012-04-22T09:51:49.994-07:002012-04-22T09:51:49.994-07:00Dickhead, the Col runs his blog his way. I doubt v...Dickhead, the Col runs his blog his way. I doubt very much that if I scolded him he would change his ways. If I disagreed with his persona to the extent that it bothered me I just wouldn't come here to read any longer. Simple as that.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-65688678617408220712012-04-22T01:44:14.037-07:002012-04-22T01:44:14.037-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Magpiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01346720773777530414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-36510709354016798732012-04-21T18:17:50.345-07:002012-04-21T18:17:50.345-07:00The only power anyone has over you, Dickie, is the...The only power anyone has over you, Dickie, is the power that you give them yourself.<br /><br />Nuff sed.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-76400822976745813892012-04-21T18:14:44.446-07:002012-04-21T18:14:44.446-07:00Matt.
This blog is based on hate. Colonel spews v...Matt.<br /><br />This blog is based on hate. Colonel spews venom towards others with every thread and comment he writes. He expresses hate constantly. He has from the beginning. <br /><br />Matt. You are a long time participant here. You have NEVER objected to the Colonel’s abuse of others. You ONLY speak when you are being abused directly. You are completely blind to the constant hate expressed here otherwise. You have never once spoken out against the Colonel when he’s insulted others. You’re a hypocrite and a heel. I’m not a hater. I’m a man who is brave enough to speak the truth within the confines of a completely hateful and intimidating environment. One person’s “breath of fresh air” is another person’s hater. The pendulum swings both ways. The problem is that the pendulum is never allowed to swing both ways here, or on your blog for that matter. <br /><br />Intimidation. This blog is based on intimidation. Colonel intimidates bloggers into keeping silent. For every Danielle who bravely comes forth and describes my words as a “breath of fresh air”, there are certainly dozens of others who agree. They are simply too afraid to speak.<br /><br />Matt you are a smart guy. I don’t have to explain the obvious to you further. You know all this to be true. <br /><br />If exhibiting enough courage to speak the truth and level the playing field every now and then makes me a hater, then I’m guilty as charged and damn proud of it. <br /><br />Nuff sed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-26530429193781601552012-04-21T18:09:22.526-07:002012-04-21T18:09:22.526-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-49685588346320213142012-04-21T15:12:51.216-07:002012-04-21T15:12:51.216-07:00Dickhead, it's hard to engage you on serious f...Dickhead, it's hard to engage you on serious footing when you ONLY show up to hate. Never once have you appeared on any of the blogs and contributed in a positive fashion. Nuff sed...Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-4501901187228917842012-04-21T11:31:07.364-07:002012-04-21T11:31:07.364-07:00"I just believe it is unlikely that a casket ..."I just believe it is unlikely that a casket would be exposed like that." - starship<br /><br />I agree, although each state and cemetery may be different. My family has a plot in NYC with places for 9 caskets. 8 have been filled. I was at all the ceremonies except for one. I never saw another casket when a new one was being lowered into the earth. That would have been too much for our family to bear.CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-42677809156834237752012-04-21T09:44:01.735-07:002012-04-21T09:44:01.735-07:00Hey Dickie, we are a place of research, okay? Its ...Hey Dickie, we are a place of research, okay? Its just a name. We could have called it "Phred," but that would have been weird. Like you.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.com