tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post5232766526219105139..comments2023-11-03T03:18:55.138-07:00Comments on Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: ShrugsColScotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-64760306173864195862012-02-21T12:30:31.955-08:002012-02-21T12:30:31.955-08:00Some of you miss the point period.
It doesn't ...Some of you miss the point period.<br />It doesn't matter BUG pulled this crap on scumbag murderers who deserved it. The fact that the BUG did it and got away with it, IS the issue. Yesterday it was Manson and some skanky girls, tommorow it could be you! Sitting on the couch watching your boob tube, all of a sudden 'the man' kicks in your door hauls you to jail, abuses each and every civic right you have, puts you in prison, and does such a good job at it that no one will ever let you out regardless of time served. This is the America that I fought in a war for? No, the BUG should be in the cell next to charlie!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-49127299241434571142011-09-12T21:24:30.216-07:002011-09-12T21:24:30.216-07:00and we wonder how manson got people to follow him....and we wonder how manson got people to follow him. 40+ years later manson is still brainwashing people-now people that have never met the man just look at scramblehead, just another minion of manson. what a smart person you are scramblehead i bet your family is mighty proud. you need to grow up.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-13003847789359778232011-09-12T18:24:02.089-07:002011-09-12T18:24:02.089-07:00Tradecraft. I don't really talk like this.Tradecraft. I don't really talk like this.Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-70865772928664374112011-09-12T14:39:24.417-07:002011-09-12T14:39:24.417-07:00SBuch--
Your last post was retarded. Please don&...SBuch--<br /><br />Your last post was retarded. Please don't do that again. I can only tolerate one moron at a time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-11511933943700232862011-09-12T13:27:36.084-07:002011-09-12T13:27:36.084-07:00Oh, so that sounds,....plausible...Oh, so that sounds,....plausible...starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-19810651574124241872011-09-12T12:10:00.413-07:002011-09-12T12:10:00.413-07:00How about the boy Charlie sodomized at knifepoint?...How about the boy Charlie sodomized at knifepoint?<br /><br />That happened in jail years before his noteriety.<br />Manson has said that the inmate wanted the sex, but not the stigma of being exposed as queer if they were caught.<br />They agreed Charlie would hold a weapon during the act, making it appear forced in the event they were discovered.<br /><br />They were caught.<br />It went into the record as a sexual assualt.<br />So says Charlie.<br />Who knows.sbuch113https://www.blogger.com/profile/01794368422535955408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-17700670065613001622011-09-12T11:39:36.855-07:002011-09-12T11:39:36.855-07:00Get your head out of your
ass scramblehead. You pa...Get your head out of your<br />ass scramblehead. You pathetic<br />little piece of shit punk.dbryanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05020940169098415055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-86764711897451018102011-09-12T10:42:26.277-07:002011-09-12T10:42:26.277-07:00you win Scramble...
I am not smart enough to argu...you win Scramble...<br /><br />I am not smart enough to argue with you:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-41367831415257816832011-09-12T10:37:03.724-07:002011-09-12T10:37:03.724-07:00How about the boy that Charlie sodomized at knifep...How about the boy that Charlie sodomized at knifepoint? I guess my thinking is so 'inside the box' that I would characterize that as rape.<br /><br />And where do you get that Lotsapoppa was holding Charlie up against the wall by his neck, or that beautiful hollywood starlets wanted to do it with him?<br /><br />Sorry, scramblehead, but your head is, well, certainly scrambled.starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-27680842517083405762011-09-12T10:18:39.854-07:002011-09-12T10:18:39.854-07:00There you go again. You have a very serious condit...There you go again. You have a very serious condition called in-the-box thinking. You are incapable of LISTENING and LEARNING. dud you not read what I wrote?<br /><br />Who was robbing Gary in his own home? No one was. They were there collecting the money that he OWED.<br /><br />Get your idiot robot head out of Bugliosi's ass and crank up your analytical machine (you know, the one you turned off when you swallowed that damn blue pill) and seek the truth rather than acting like a mindless parrot constantly repeating some lunatic power-hungry rapist's rhetoric. The rapist I refer to is BUG. But you wouldn't know that because you are too analytically LAZY to seek the file and READ it.<br /><br />Once again... THINK FOR YOURSELF!Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-53488646278645053342011-09-12T10:13:58.451-07:002011-09-12T10:13:58.451-07:00the willing ones were dirty and hairy and smelly w...the willing ones were dirty and hairy and smelly with puss dripping out of there chaluches...<br /><br />it was the clean and pretty ones who smelled nice he forced himself on...<br />.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-46762016975464913842011-09-12T10:11:10.303-07:002011-09-12T10:11:10.303-07:00YES my slow little friend....
it is wrong to give...YES my slow little friend....<br /><br />it is wrong to give drugs to children... Even if they ask for them<br /><br />although I do admit it will cut down on the resistance when you try to penetrate there undeveloped little bodies...<br /><br />so I guess He would take a flier on that one...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-962540667084082222011-09-12T10:08:50.722-07:002011-09-12T10:08:50.722-07:00Gary should have heeded the waring and given every...Gary should have heeded the waring and given everything he had to people who were robbing him in his own home...<br /><br />people he had helped and done favors for???<br /><br />that was his mistake- he didn't heed the warning lol<br /><br />your right he deserved to have his ear almost cut off...<br /><br />the nerve of him huh???<br /><br />dude if this isnt a joke this is comical... you cant really think this way????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-60942455335231461702011-09-12T10:06:17.420-07:002011-09-12T10:06:17.420-07:00by the way- again- every post on this subject I ha...by the way- again- every post on this subject I have ever wrote states that I think Charlie is over- rated as a serial killer and Tex is the real monster...<br /><br />but dont let the truth get in the way of ranting against me :)<br /><br />what fun would that beAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-55937525110215289102011-09-12T10:04:22.711-07:002011-09-12T10:04:22.711-07:00you dont argue - you defend...
that's a mind ...you dont argue - you defend...<br /><br />that's a mind set- that I can never win out against...<br /><br />the one point you did bother to argue..<br /><br />set aside all the actual physical rape that DID occur...<br /><br />he admits to having sex with Ruth, and Diane- minors almost half his age...<br /><br />If that is not technically wrong enough for you- it obviously wont be morally wrong enough for you either...<br /><br />so again- I cant win with a thought process like this...<br /><br />We can agree though he is where he wants to be if not how deserving he is to be there, and that is good enough for me..<br /><br />as long as he is there....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-8646130102657506702011-09-12T09:29:41.213-07:002011-09-12T09:29:41.213-07:00There you go again molesting the facts in an eager...There you go again molesting the facts in an eager attempt to create a legendary monster. The following quotes by St Circumstance will be highlighted by ** before and after the quote, and then my response will follow - in hopes that we can avoid even more confusion.<br /><br />**Charlie raped people**<br /><br />Who did he rape? Noone who spent any great deal of time with him has ever claimed that he raped anyone. There are no credible reports that ever raped anyone. There are only fringe cave dwellers who seek their 15 mins after the fact. They show up 20 or 30 or 40 years later and say "I was raped by Charles Manson. Do you want my autograph?"<br /><br />Manson was only 5'5" short when fully extended - identical in size to Michael J. Fox. Have you ever heard of a 5'5" rapist?<br /><br />Manson DIDN'T HAVE TO rape anyone. He had countless handfuls of women (including hollywood starlets) who desperately WANTED it from him. They came to him - not the other way around. Word on the ranch was that he was quite a master when it came to pleasing women. The female genitalia is extremely complex and the majority of men simply have no clue. This kind of buzz gets women really excited and compels them to pursue said love guru. After a while they start lining up. Trust me, I know. This talent, along with the loads of willing women, consequently made many inadequate men extremely jealous of said love guru. Jealousy leads to making up scandalous stories in an effort to undermine the reputation of said love guru.<br /><br />**Charlie stole things**<br /><br />Yes he did. No doubt about that - and he doesn't deny it.<br />His answer to that is a good one: "I live by the code of the outlaw. I give everything I have, and I take anything I want."<br /><br />**Charlie attacked Gary with a Sword**<br /><br />Attacked? It was more like a slice to the ear. It was a warning. They weren't there to kill him. Gary essentially ripped Bobby off by taking $2000 for a bad batch of Mescaline. When that happens, you give the money back. Gary didn't want to give the money back. Not a smart move when you are dealing with underworld types. Live by the sword, die by the sword. They pleaded with Gary for 3 days before things got out of hand and Gary got killed by Bobby. All Manson did was help Bobby by warning Gary that he was indeed playing with fire. He didn't heed the warning. He should have.<br /><br />**Charlie shot Crowe in his belly**<br /><br />Well where else do you shoot a HUGE black man that has you lifted off the ground, by the throat, against the wall, and is about to KILL YOU???<br /><br />Manson threw himself onto the front lines for Tex in that little drama. Tex couldn't face the issue himself so Manson put his life on the line to rescue the chicana girl that Tex left there to die. How many people do you know that would do the same for you?<br /><br />**Charlie gave drugs to underage kids...**<br /><br />And??? Is there something wrong with that? RuthAnn was 14 and had a taste for marijuana. Manson obliged. Oh boy bring out the religious right and crucify him. She would be doing whatever drug she wanted anyway without his help or involvement. You make it sound like he was hanging out at preschools and sticking heroin syringes in the little kiddies while they're parents weren't watching. There's so much brainwashing and mind control in this country targeting kids from the time they are born. The best thing you can do for a kid is set their programmed mind FREE.<br /><br />**he is better off in jail...**<br /><br />And he would agree with you.Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-28951979945574406172011-09-12T08:33:28.114-07:002011-09-12T08:33:28.114-07:00and let me ask one last question maybe you dont co...and let me ask one last question maybe you dont consider...<br /><br />what if you were a family member of one of the victims??? one of the MANY victims???<br /><br />how many times did Charlie get arrested while on parole, and keep walking??? Tex, and Katie as well...<br /><br />quite a few busts between them, and nobody could keep them locked up....<br /><br />how many more families suffered as a result???<br /><br />but after Bugs- those 5 didn't hurt anyone else...<br /><br />They didn't get back out...<br /><br />To those families he is a HERO :)<br /><br />for all those who didn't die after that trial- who may have <br /><br />maybe he even deserves some thanks???<br /><br />( ok maybe that is pushing it lol)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-75377547981087698732011-09-12T08:19:42.395-07:002011-09-12T08:19:42.395-07:00the smartest, fairest, most fearless, well trained...the smartest, fairest, most fearless, well trained attorneys...<br /><br />don't all go to work for the LA DA's office... as assistant DA's... I venture the idea that - at least- those who pass on the money of private practice for this mostly thankless job- have at least some sense of civic duty... maybe not " Saints" like me- but they had options for sure, and chose to, at least, give the impression of public service.... when a guy like that wins the lottery- it hurts me alot less... and Bugs won the lottery with this one no doubt.. he saw it for what it was worth, and ran with it...<br /><br />you weren't going to get the perfect person no matter who got assigned the case...<br /><br />if you want to sit back 40 years later and take shots at there personal life's and personal flaws... it would be tough to find anyone who could make it through this type of scrutiny. <br /><br />but that makes there work irrelevant????<br /><br />how many of us would pass that test???<br /><br />does it make what we do professionally meaningless<br />if we make mistakes in our every day lives???<br /><br />maybe in some cases....<br /><br />not in this one I say<br /><br />but that is just my opinion<br /><br />informed/uninformed...<br /><br />I leave it to the reader to decideAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-27250087167570811862011-09-12T07:50:37.128-07:002011-09-12T07:50:37.128-07:00P.S.- what in the whole wide world does it matter ...P.S.- what in the whole wide world does it matter what bugs did before and after he was the prosecutor in this case???<br /><br />It wouldn't matter who on the planet was assigned this case...<br /><br />of the billions of possibilities of who could have worked in that office at that exact time...<br /><br />it wouldn't matter who got the case- they would have been human- like the rest of us- and they would have had flaws- like the rest of us...<br /><br />and if you are going to sit back and pick apart a persons flaws outside of the work place...<br /><br />who would have been good enough for you to try the case?? you could point out forever whats wrong with poeple... so that means they cant do there job???<br /><br /><br />by the way-<br />you get a chance to decide that...<br /><br />Do you vote??? <br /><br />lol If not you really shouldnt sit in judgement of those who take 40K a year to clean the garbage off the streets for us on a daily basis- and criticize the jobs they do when they do happen to come to your attention... you wouldn't pay any notice to them or the milkmen they stalk if they weren't on your radar for your own motivation...<br /><br />Bugs was a jackass and a bad guy... I am with you<br /><br />his book was interesting as hell though- I still re-read it once and awhile...<br /><br />He took a phrase and morphed into a financial windfall for his own good....<br /><br />shitty thing to do- but charlie didn't spend one breath trying to de-bunk it himself, so I should worry about it???<br /><br />Let me let you in on a secret...<br /><br />I am not a fan of Charlie Manson<br /><br />I dont think he should have been railroaded- but I dont think he was railroaded...<br /><br />He knew the score- he had been in jail...<br /><br />he kept breaking the law- over and over.... putting himself in places and with poeple where he knew he did not belong... it caught up with him... <br /><br />He Stole<br />He raped<br />He beat<br />He injured others<br /><br />that is not the fault of BUGs or anyone else....<br /><br />it just isn'tAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-81494637997463774862011-09-12T07:22:37.584-07:002011-09-12T07:22:37.584-07:00Scramble I will play this game with you for a minu...Scramble I will play this game with you for a minute...<br /><br />I don't consider myself a mindless robot- but am sure it doesn't matter to you :)<br /><br />I have made the argument myself quite a few times Charlie is over-rated as a serial killer and Tex is the one who really scares me...<br /><br />If I were in my early twenties- I would have understood what Charlie was all about- and he was very honest about who he was... I would have been intrigued- but would have seen the waring signs, and kept a safe distance...<br /><br />Tex I never would seen coming- good background, nice family- college education ( sort of...<br /><br />much scarier to me...<br /><br />but doesn't mean Charlie was a good guy either..<br /><br />you ask us not to think in black and white...<br /><br />cant you give in that even if Charlie wasn't the Killer on those two nights- he still wasn't a very good guy who broke many laws??<br /><br />Can only one person be bad in a group?? we have to assign a leader???<br /><br />I think there a few fruit cases involved in the family, and certainly some free-lance fruit caking was going on as well...<br /><br />doesn't excuse Charlie for being a bad guy...<br /><br />I also agree government is very corrupt and self serving- and that it deosn't matter who is President because the two parties will always put themselves and self-preservation for themselves and there families way of life's ahead of ours...<br /><br />of course.. my life is sort of easy- so I cant complain much :)<br /><br /><br />but even while I know all of this is true...<br /><br />and other bad things happen as well we aren't touching on...<br /><br />Charlie raped people<br />Charlie stole things<br />Charlie attacked Gary with a Sword<br />Charlie shot Crowe in his belly<br />Charlie gave drugs to underage kids...<br /><br />he is better off in jail...<br /><br />Love,<br /><br />St. MinionstanceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-68451435759715417252011-09-12T06:17:45.101-07:002011-09-12T06:17:45.101-07:00Ah yes, INFORMED OPINIONS. On that, Scramblehead,...Ah yes, INFORMED OPINIONS. On that, Scramblehead, it seems we agree.starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-18484245817355301902011-09-12T00:16:32.401-07:002011-09-12T00:16:32.401-07:00Sorry Scramble. I've only been interested in t...Sorry Scramble. I've only been interested in this stuff for 40 years.<br /><br />Which one's Manson again?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-29072748044531582572011-09-11T23:42:17.235-07:002011-09-11T23:42:17.235-07:00It's shades of grey. If you think Manson was g...It's shades of grey. If you think Manson was guilty on all charges for the reasons stated you are in Bug land. If you think Manson was a poor inncent guy completly screwed by the system you are in AC land.<br /><br />The truth MUST be somewhere inbetween.<br /><br />My take based on facts, interviews, speculation and good old fashioned common sense;<br /><br />1/ He did not order Bobbie to kill Gary. Bobbie himself has admitted this time and time again. However Manson's stupid act of bravado with a sword escalated a bad situation which indirectly ended with a murder so h must share a portion of the blame.<br /><br />2/ I strongly feel he did not order the Tate massacre, this was Tex's show all the way. Listen to his interviews on the matter<br /><br />"I'm gonna kill somebody"<br />"OK"<br />"What do you think of that?"<br />"Nothing"<br />"Do you want to come?"<br />"No. I'm not breaking the law this time".<br /><br />If this is true than Manson is guilty, but of being morally bankrupt. He sat back and did nothing to stop it.<br /><br />3/ By all accounts he was in the car the second night and helped tie up the victims. If the orignal intention was not to kill the LaBiancia's but rob them then Manson is guilty of being a fuckin' idiot to leave them in the hands of a bunch of people who had commited a bloodbath less than 24 hours previously. If they had a more sinister motive then he is indeed guilty of their murders. Notice Manson never directly addresses this part of the case in interviews. WHY WAS HE IN THAT CAR? Crack this and you've cracked the whole case.<br /><br />4/ Shorty? Who the fuck knows? Ample reason for Manson wanting him dead. What was one more body at this time? Esp if it meant stopping him from spilling his guts on what had been going on. Alas everyone who says Manson particpated is know liar.<br /><br />But giving him a large benefit of the doubt, why would Charlie be willing to spend the rest of his days behind bars in silence for a piece of human shit like Tex Watson?adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933298225285078484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-13651776196052339232011-09-11T22:00:58.598-07:002011-09-11T22:00:58.598-07:00Even more idiot robot talk from even more idiot ro...Even more idiot robot talk from even more idiot robots.<br /><br />*DECIPHERING IDIOT ROBOT TALK*<br /><br />Lesson 1:<br /><br />Idiot robots CONSTANTLY put words in the mouths of people who speak the truth.<br /><br />Exhibit 1- leary7 said "It sure is entertaining to read the posts of someone (scrambled) who sees Charles Manson as a hero."<br /><br />Read ALL of my posts, idiot robot, and show the class a single instance In which I referred to Manson as a hero.<br /><br />Lesson 2:<br /><br />Idiot robots are CONSTANTLY screwing up the facts of the case while trying to prove their ridiculously miserable points hence further perpetuatuating Bugliosi's fictitious self-serving novel "Helter skelter."<br /><br />Exhibit 2- Cease2 said "Unfortunately any notion of "Manson" as heroic &/or Messianic rapidly fades when you bring to mind the final horrific moments of little baby Tate & his mummy at the hands of the great man's minions."<br /><br />Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it Charles WATSON, rather than Charles MANSON, who was the actual baby killer? Wasn't it HE who was present that night on Cielo drive and NOT Manson? Didn't HE drive the car that night? And wasn't he the one who was instructing the girls that night while they were on their murderous rampage? Didn't he tell Linda to wait by the car and didn't HE tell Sadie to write something in blood on the door? Doesn't that make them HIS minions that night?<br /><br />You can claim they were playing follow the leader... But the "leader" WASN'T EVEN THERE!<br /><br />So, idiot robots, let's recap tonight's lessons for the class. You need to put words in other people's mouths in order to convince yourself that black & white thinking is the right way of thinking and there is no in-between. You also need to convince yourself that you are living in a perfect world where the authorities (I.e., courts, judges, prosecutors, governments, news media, cops, novelists, etc.) are always telling the truth and are not covering up anything for their own gains and at the expense of other people's lives.<br /><br />Yes, idiot robots, the bottom line here is that YOU are the real minions because you are incapable of thinking for yourselves. You've taken the written and spoken word of the world's brainwashers/mind controllers and you ran with it without question.<br /><br />And you wonder why America is in the worst condition it's been in all of our lifetimes.<br /><br />I want to end this post (and hopefully this thread) with a nod to the great and mighty Col. for repeatedly quoting a significant morsel of truth - of which you idiot robots lack the insight to comprehend thus far - "You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your INFORMED opinion."Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-84805657611983007372011-09-11T19:22:43.437-07:002011-09-11T19:22:43.437-07:00I was joking with them...
we are past that-
Im t...I was joking with them...<br /><br />we are past that-<br /><br />Im trying to stick to the points and discuss the posts nowadays....<br /><br />But some people just wont stop with the personal stuff..<br /><br />I have learned though it isn't up to me to police rooms...<br /><br />it just sucks because it really distracts from the otherwise great conversations that still happen all the time in this room... <br /><br />but what can you do???<br /><br />try to ignore it and move on I guessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com