tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post1366607350232794217..comments2023-11-03T03:18:55.138-07:00Comments on Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: THANGSColScotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-58264889344703043562011-11-24T19:00:11.134-08:002011-11-24T19:00:11.134-08:00I don't care how good or bad the movies are as...I don't care how good or bad the movies are as long as Lindsay Lohan DOES NOT play Sharon Tate. <br /><br />George Vreeland HillGeorge Vreeland Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10944841310687558313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-47958129100292876502011-09-27T01:22:39.057-07:002011-09-27T01:22:39.057-07:00I think it is not always clear when Charlie was si...I think it is not always clear when Charlie was singing, and when Clem was .. and Clem had a good voice, probably better than Charlie (IMHO).<br /><br />Don't know too much about his charisma as a singer - for much of the time at Spahn/Barker he would have had a captive audience (and I use the word advisedly).<br /><br />You're right about the audience at ISB conferences. The most stonedest audiences I've ever seen - dropping acid was pretty much mandatory. The only comparable audience I can remember was at PInk Floyd concerts.<br /><br />And the band themselves, I guess - look at Licorice in the first clip I posted, totally out of it ..<br /><br />FrankMFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-18321945343690038982011-09-27T00:33:17.765-07:002011-09-27T00:33:17.765-07:00FrankM said:
Thanks for the clip - very nostalgic....FrankM said:<br />Thanks for the clip - very nostalgic. I saw them play twice - great show, but lots of tuning. I see this was recorded in 1968, about the time Manson was trying to convince the world he had a career as a musician. I never rated his musical skills highly, and to me he certainly doesn't compare to the ISB in talent or creativity. But that's just my opinion. ----------------------------------------<br />Trying to tune half a dozen obscure non-western instruments whilst high as a kite in front of a roomfull of people is no mean feat. Luckily the rooms full of people were also high as a kite...<br /><br />As far as comparing 'em to Charlie, I pretty much agree with you. Though (in my opinion) Charlie did have a good singing voice and a fair whack of charisma (both of which count for more in show biz than creativity, originality or talent). He was also pretty well-connected which counts for a lot. <br /><br />His biggest problem was probably that he couldn't take direction from people with recording experience... and that his singing style was pretty much firmly rooted in the '50s... which was kinda uncool in the late '60s... and of course the murders. <br /><br />Musically speaking, he probably shoulda left most of the Family in the green room. Though in my darker moments I do quite like the crazed chaos of the intro to "Ol' Ego Is A Too Much Thing" and "Garbage Dump"... both of which remind me of many a stoned, addled hippy campfire jam... totally amateur people having a hell of a time making noise. A really liberating and inspiring experience for the participants but not exactly top 40 material... or very much fun to listen to.<br /><br />The Incredible String Band dabbled in those fields too but they were seriously skilled musicians with a much broader cultural palette to choose from.brownricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13464358994525566519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-27775365269183658052011-09-26T15:55:33.267-07:002011-09-26T15:55:33.267-07:00Thanks for the clip - very nostalgic. I saw them p...Thanks for the clip - very nostalgic. I saw them play twice - great show, but lots of tuning.<br /><br />I see this was recorded in 1968, about the time Manson was trying to convince the world he had a career as a musician. I never rated his musical skills highly, and to me he certainly doesn't compare to the ISB in talent or creativity. <br /><br />But that's just my opinion.<br /><br />FrankMFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-15233159581505517412011-09-26T15:29:12.683-07:002011-09-26T15:29:12.683-07:00A well-recorded example of the Incredible String B...A well-recorded example of the Incredible String Band...<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zH1a2mQx44&feature=relatedbrownricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13464358994525566519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-18151683381213282642011-09-25T16:46:49.833-07:002011-09-25T16:46:49.833-07:00FrankM said:
Another mystery is what happened to L...FrankM said:<br />Another mystery is what happened to Licorice (of the ISB), who is alleged to have wandered into the desert to escape the grasp of the Scientologists, never to reappear. But that investigation perhaps belongs elsewhere.<br />---------------------------------------<br /><br />Ah yes... dear Licorice... curse those damn Scientologists, curse 'em I say!!!<br /><br />According to Rob Young in his book "Electric Eden- Unearthing Britain's Visionary Music"...<br /><br />"Licorice, who remained in the group until 1972 spent the 1970s as a member of U-Boat, a group led by David Bowie's former drummer Woody Woodmansey (also a Scientologist), then in California as a member of the Silver Moon Band. <br /><br />She married Brian Lambert... and spent some years living in the Hollywood Hills. From the early 80s onwards, when she supposedly divorced Lambert, information on her life turns to illegible blotches, water spilled on the watercolour. One rumour has it that she has been living homeless on the streets of LA, moved to one of California's desert cities in the late '80s, wrote a letter , postmarked Sacremento, to her sister in Edinburgh in 1990, then walked off into the Arizona desert, never to return. Long after her final communication, many are still waiting to see if she crosses back over the bridge, while fearing that she may have turned to clay."<br /><br />He then adds a footnote:<br />"At the time of writing, it appeared that a Christina ********, previously Lambert, was residing at an address in ******* CA, between San Francisco & San Jose. On balance, it seems that Licorice is still alive, although tact and respect for her privacy means that door has been left shut."<br /><br />I wonder how she'd feel about being discussed on a Manson blog... :-)brownricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13464358994525566519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-66311874386496569442011-09-25T02:42:58.332-07:002011-09-25T02:42:58.332-07:00Thanks to you both for the kind - if unnecessary -...Thanks to you both for the kind - if unnecessary - explanation of the <i>Southpark</i> reference.<br /><br />Actually I had used the [sic] to refer to the word 'our', thinking it would benefit from a couple of words of context. But thanks anyway - clarity is always good.<br /><br />I particularly liked Col's <i>I take none of this seriously and all of it seriously</i> - I can relate to the viewpoint(s) myself. And I think I prefer the mellow version, although the old rants were nothing if not entertaining.<br /><br />Glad someone else likes/liked the ISB. The link I gave was of appalling quality - it would be kinder to their memory to link to something like <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd5yq76q51c" rel="nofollow"> this </a>.<br /><br />Another mystery is what happened to Licorice (of the ISB), who is alleged to have wandered into the desert to escape the grasp of the Scientologists, never to reappear. But that investigation perhaps belongs elsewhere.<br /><br />FrankMFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1115208106473837212011-09-24T19:49:22.715-07:002011-09-24T19:49:22.715-07:00Thank you brown rice.
The point is Frank, that I ...Thank you brown rice.<br /><br />The point is Frank, that I take none of this seriously and all of it seriously. I am fascinated by the case and have lived it for most of my life. If I have mellowed it is because I have lived to understand the evil of the BUG, the stupidity of Charlie and the truth, that this likely is unanswerable.ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-10946521597591965202011-09-24T19:03:35.890-07:002011-09-24T19:03:35.890-07:00Colscott said:
Will someone explain "our auth...Colscott said:<br />Will someone explain "our authoritay" <br /><br />------------------------------------<br /><br />Far be it from me to try and second-guess or translate the omnipotent Colscott but seeing as he asked and all, I'll give it a try....<br /><br />There's a wonderful episode of South Park in which Cartman becomes a cop. Basically he rides around on his tricycle wearing wraparound mirrored sunglasses and bashing the crap out of everyone before "running them in". The one-liner he keeps repeating is "Respect my authoritay!"... delivered in a voice halfway between Bull Connor and the warden in Cool Hand Luke. Hence the extreme Southern pronunciation of "authoritAY".<br /><br />For all South Park lovers, "Respect my authoritay!" has become an ironic way of asserting one's authority whilst still acknowledging that most authority figures are arseholes. It's a classic really... right up there with "Drugs are bad, m'kay".<br /><br />On a completely different note, Incredible String Band were definitely one of the most interesting bands to come out of the 60s. A tripper's favourite... just like Ravi Shankar.brownricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13464358994525566519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-68615800498864069352011-09-24T18:25:34.535-07:002011-09-24T18:25:34.535-07:00I can't read that farI can't read that farlouis365https://www.blogger.com/profile/14404892998314899727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-40030836112638355952011-09-24T18:23:36.116-07:002011-09-24T18:23:36.116-07:00Sigh
Will someone explain "our authoritay&quo...Sigh<br />Will someone explain "our authoritay" to Frank?<br />Thanks.ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-28839000848138729102011-09-24T15:13:16.543-07:002011-09-24T15:13:16.543-07:00OK, Col - and thanks for replying.
You ask me not...OK, Col - and thanks for replying.<br /><br />You ask me not to <i> disrespect our authoritay</i> [sic], and I shall endeavour to do this (or not do this, depending how you read it).<br /><br />I can't help noticing the word 'our', however, which does go against your protestations of singularity - perhaps a Freudian slip, or the 'royal' we so beloved of the British monarchy.<br /><br />You say you like me and are asking me nicely. I like the 'nicely', and will treat your determination to remain official with - if not the respect it deserves, at least the respect you have shown me.<br /><br />FrankMFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-517777035075336432011-09-24T10:43:36.727-07:002011-09-24T10:43:36.727-07:00Frank Baby,
I have always been me, little ole Col...Frank Baby,<br /><br />I have always been me, little ole Col Scott. One guy. Maybe I am less angry, but that's because there's less to be angry about.<br /><br />As far as this being the Official Blog, please do not ever disrespect our authoritay. I like you so I'll ask nicely. I work hard to remain official, please treat that with the respect it deserves.<br /><br />The Only ColColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-72157891827442219512011-09-24T06:35:24.084-07:002011-09-24T06:35:24.084-07:00Louise, Says California is, "upside down"...Louise, Says California is, "upside down".<br />That's a great way to put it. I grew up in So. Cal., Garden Grove.<br />I remember back in the mid-60's our apartments being surrounded by agricultural plots of corn, tomatoes, strawberries ect. <br />By the mid-80's there wasn't even a vacant lot in G.G..<br />The cost of living forced me to move out of state in 1986.<br />But I do remember the good ole days of California.sbuch113https://www.blogger.com/profile/01794368422535955408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-34496538012430559362011-09-24T05:15:10.115-07:002011-09-24T05:15:10.115-07:00Thought you were, Louis! Sorry if I sounded aggres...Thought you were, Louis! Sorry if I sounded aggressive.<br /><br />Agreed, Wikipedia is good for a quick look up but not always authoritative. But it's not always clear which web sites are authoritative (dependable) - take this one, which calls itself the <b><i>Official</i> Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog</b>, but is about as 'official' as my grandson's school blog.<br /><br />On the whole moderated sites are probably better, especially when the wilder posters are kept under control. As far as Manson sites go, the best (IMHO of course) have been Brett's (which was closed to external posts and comments) and Cats' site, which she keeps under careful control. <br /><br />For fun and fireworks this has been a good site, although it has seen some rough passages when recidivist socks like Savage and Wheat flare up out of control. The Col really doesn't seem to care too much - just posts from time to time and leaves others to get on with it.<br /><br />For that matter I'm not even sure the Col today is the same person as he was a few years ago. If so, he seems to have mellowed considerably. I always thought there were at least two Cols (I base this opinion on forensic analysis of writing style), plus an indeterminate number of socks he uses on this and other blogs. <br /><br />Who know? Who cares? I offer this opinion in the spirit of idle speculation.<br /><br />FrankMFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-27685865488774603232011-09-24T03:25:13.281-07:002011-09-24T03:25:13.281-07:00lol Frank...I was just makin fun back there. Wikip...lol Frank...I was just makin fun back there. Wikipedia is ok, just not reliable and something I rarely use. If I want to learn about some subject, I go beyond that site.<br /><br />Now...back to Helter Skelter :)louis365https://www.blogger.com/profile/14404892998314899727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-25319613729323218452011-09-23T20:13:09.802-07:002011-09-23T20:13:09.802-07:00A lot of people started off 'pro-Manson'. ...A lot of people started off 'pro-Manson'. <i>Rolling Stone</i> writer David Dalton describes it thus:<br /><br /><i>But the first time most hippies like myself set eyes on Manson's picture in the paper we were certain he'd been railroaded. He looked just like one of us. He had long hair and a beard and, although skinnier, resembled Jim Morrison or maybe Jerry Garcia. We knew that anybody who looked like that could never have done these horrible things they were saying he did. It was just the Pigs picking on some poor hippie guru.</i><br /><br />You can read Dalton's (well-written) Gadfly article <a href="http://www.gadflyonline.com/archive/October98/archive-manson.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />FrankMFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-11129098547955387172011-09-23T19:22:54.133-07:002011-09-23T19:22:54.133-07:00Sanders started writing about the manson case for ...Sanders started writing about the manson case for the underground press and took his first reporting gig to pay his way to the west coast. I believe he was pro-manson at first but only gradually coming to this current viewpoint by the time of the trials. He hung out for a while with CM's Circle while he was convinced of CM's innocence.Shak Elhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09133403951218666229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-78453489973598223072011-09-23T18:41:54.942-07:002011-09-23T18:41:54.942-07:00Wiki is like footnotes- it is the easy way to get ...Wiki is like footnotes- it is the easy way to get a very general idea about a subject- that may or may not have all facts correct...<br /><br />Frank- I figured you for a much deeper guy than that<br /><br />Thought you would be the type of guy to read the whole book lol<br /><br />I mean you write like you know every goddamn thing :)<br /><br />lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-49486094392230028392011-09-23T18:36:05.019-07:002011-09-23T18:36:05.019-07:00Louise :)Louise :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-17749400037240622492011-09-23T18:29:47.498-07:002011-09-23T18:29:47.498-07:00Frank asked "Are you the Louise that hangs ar...Frank asked "Are you the Louise that hangs around with Thelma?"<br /><br />FrankM<br />---------------<br />Yes :)We are best friends. She lived in CA, too. She moved away before California started to become "upside down" She has all the great memoires.Louisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015318284031069527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-45443768795976976102011-09-23T18:21:23.580-07:002011-09-23T18:21:23.580-07:00Most people do not know that the hippie movement t...Most people do not know that the hippie movement turned ugly by 1967. believe it was George Harrison who went there in 67 and said it was basically homeless drug addicts, and thugs. Funny how the Hippie culture was all about "Peace" and California was so violent at the same time. Crips were formed there and how about Altamont. Stanley "Tookie" Williams cofounder the notorious "Crips" in the late 60's and early 70's. Was executed for killing a Mom and Pop Korean working family who owned a small market, because "he wanted to, and he liked it." Now look at CA? There are hundreds's of different "bangers" of different ethnicity. Including white neo-Nazi's. One Nazi gang calls themselves "Peckerwoods?" <=??? among others. California is upside down. Not like it used to be. My dad was transferred here when I was nine and it was beautiful. The surroundings are still beautiful but the backdrop is ugly. A middle class 3 bedroom, McShack costs 450,000 dollars or more. We are being priced out of here. Sad because I have such great memorires of my past in CA.Louisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015318284031069527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-90050240581977014212011-09-23T17:41:30.851-07:002011-09-23T17:41:30.851-07:00Unlike your BiL, I loved Ravi Shankar and went to ...Unlike your BiL, I loved Ravi Shankar and went to many of his concerts. Late night ragas with some decent weed was part of growing up for me.<br /><br />Not so well known is that Norah Jones is his daughter - it must be true, cos I read it on Wikipedia. Now there's a singer I really like.<br /><br />Are you the Louise that hangs around with Thelma?<br /><br />FrankMFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-84187504600621019032011-09-23T17:32:03.599-07:002011-09-23T17:32:03.599-07:00"AS for Kerouac and Manson slugging it out? W...<b><i>"AS for Kerouac and Manson slugging it out? Who would even think of such a thing ... it's like 'Dad, if Spiderman fought Godzilla, who would win?' Arrested development, anyone?"</i></b><br /><br />___________________<br /><br />FrankM I truely am laughing out loud Frank, Thanks I needed the grins today.<br /><br />My brothr-in law went to Woodstock he was one of the Ivy League students. He graduated from Cornell. His father probably helped him because he went there, first gemeration or something?. Nepotism and all. Anyway, My BIL was disgusted by it, mainly because he was way in the back and slopping in the mud, and Ravi Shankar (sp) gave him a migraine. He left after one day.Now he is making bank big time as many who grew out of that era are doing.<br />L<br />LLouisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015318284031069527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-15035212433396978522011-09-23T17:18:39.944-07:002011-09-23T17:18:39.944-07:00To assuage your incredulity ...
Wikipedia is a fu...To assuage your incredulity ...<br /><br />Wikipedia is a fun place to browse, if you accept the occasional inaccuracy. Knowledge by consensus rather than authority, says Jimmy Wales.<br /><br />It's also a place where the ignorant can become better informed and educated. Might suit you, Louis.<br /><br />If you would like to know more, look it up ... on Wikipedia.<br /><br />FrankMFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.com