tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post1319365833110374220..comments2023-11-03T03:18:55.138-07:00Comments on Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: Now Back To BrynColScotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-58898804222615261892015-11-18T14:40:48.029-08:002015-11-18T14:40:48.029-08:00Marliese said...
"Just wondering...does anyo... Marliese said...<br /><br />"Just wondering...does anyone know whatever happened to Rosina?"<br /><br /><br />I'm less interested in knowing what happened to Rosina as I am in knowing <b>what happened to Rosina !</b><br />Point being, where was she even back in 1970, 71 ? In his first book, Tex calls her Luella but whatever her name is or was, why has she never come forward to verify Charlie's story ? Why was she not found and subpoenaed ? Isn't it interesting that she has never corroborated Charlie's story, told to Emmons and Stimson of his rescue of her from "the evil clutches of Lotsapoppa" which Charlie uses to justify shooting him.<br />I think Rosina, like so many other aspects of this case that have been given a certain prominence by Helter sceptics, is an almighty red herring.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-40669364833847605942011-05-05T20:16:38.482-07:002011-05-05T20:16:38.482-07:00Where ever he is, i hope he's having a good ti...Where ever he is, i hope he's having a good time.Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-65495566052886432682011-05-05T14:09:54.603-07:002011-05-05T14:09:54.603-07:00Dastardly Rascal, where art thou?Dastardly Rascal, where art thou?maudes haroldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08310246530830761390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-90768482741222510922011-05-05T09:33:23.305-07:002011-05-05T09:33:23.305-07:00or the Col in the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. I wonde...or the Col in the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. I wonder what's happened to the dastardly rascal.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-68404450317200036932011-05-05T09:29:13.782-07:002011-05-05T09:29:13.782-07:00like Hitler at the beach.like Hitler at the beach.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-29302607144060050912011-05-05T09:26:19.167-07:002011-05-05T09:26:19.167-07:00Charlie at Woodstock...it is like one of those Zen...Charlie at Woodstock...it is like one of those Zen contemplations of incongruities.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-53947080754634637732011-05-05T06:22:13.955-07:002011-05-05T06:22:13.955-07:00"Man, I wish Stephanie and I had just kept dr..."Man, I wish Stephanie and I had just kept driving, maybe headed off the that concert in upstate New York."<br /><br />shudder...shudder....starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-47503092707704450552011-05-04T23:42:24.045-07:002011-05-04T23:42:24.045-07:00Charlie was in control of everything and everybody...Charlie was in control of everything and everybody but himself. You have to wonder, sitting in a box for the last forty years, how often he has said to himself, "Man, I wish Stephanie and I had just kept driving, maybe headed off the that concert in upstate New York."leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-60614240692455585062011-05-03T23:32:25.535-07:002011-05-03T23:32:25.535-07:00Yes,I think he did support the no defense plan, bu...Yes,I think he did support the no defense plan, but I think it's more accurate to say they chose to let it rest as it was put forth by the prosecution. They presented defense during cross examinations and voicing objections etc during the prosecution's turn.<br /><br />I don't think there was much Manson didn't control...he had the girls firing attorneys and acting out. And he did testify without the jury present...the I killed no one and ordered no one be killed, they're your children that come at you with knives ramblings, even admitted he may have implied he was Jesus Christ etc etc and when he was finished told the girls 'now you don't have to testify'...something like that. Did he decide not to repeat it for the jury? i don't know.<br />And it's not like the defense attorneys could have let the girls testify...they'd have incriminated themselves to protect Charlie. I think Charlie controlled it all. He'd have acted as his own attorney if it had been allowed.Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-66498484400803783132011-05-03T19:21:20.275-07:002011-05-03T19:21:20.275-07:00you're right of course Frank. I should have wr...you're right of course Frank. I should have written fantasy dream. Still, I wonder why nobody ever filed civil charges against CM or any of the others, like the Brown and Goldman families did against OJ. I have no law expertise so maybe I am just pissin into the wind, but you would think maybe someone like the Willet's kid or even Shorty's wife could have filed a civil suit and collected damages. Obvioulsy while there is no statute of limitations on murder I seem to recall there is on filing civil suits. Still, the fantasy dream would be to see these players in court one more time.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-15897664459092733072011-05-03T14:57:52.308-07:002011-05-03T14:57:52.308-07:00I have always dreamed of another go-around with th...<i>I have always dreamed of another go-around with this stuff - maybe a trial on Hughes or Pugh or such. </i><br /><br />Unlikely - there's really no evidence to justify either and never has been.<br /><br />FrankFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-47342615146108935902011-05-03T10:53:24.122-07:002011-05-03T10:53:24.122-07:00I don't have a Manson library so I can't c...I don't have a Manson library so I can't check this, but I suppose the question is, Marliese, to what degree Manson suported the "no defense" strategy. The motive the prosecution had offered was a fantastic tale of the Beatles and a race war. Maybe Charlie and his suits felt it was to bizzare a story for the jury to buy. I have always wondered if CM the girls had acted half way normal during the trial if that would have made a difference in the jury buying HS as the motive. But their behavior was so absurd I think it made it easier for the jury to believe the whole 'rising from the bottom of the pit' nonsense.<br />I have always dreamed of another go-around with this stuff - maybe a trial on Hughes or Pugh or such. It would be interesting to see how Manson and the girls behaved in a courtroom forty years later.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-86593859565368601362011-05-02T18:23:14.619-07:002011-05-02T18:23:14.619-07:00The "facts" are that Charles Manson walk...The "facts" are that Charles Manson walked into a private home, tied up the occupants, told them they wouldn't be hurt and then sent in killers to stab them to death...acts which make him as guilty as the killers. As I understand it, the truth being sought here is why. Isn't it possible the defense rested believing the DA hadn't met his burden of proof, hopeful they'd established the minimum of a shadow of a doubt in their cross examinations and various objections?Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-51560704119363061992011-04-28T00:57:30.890-07:002011-04-28T00:57:30.890-07:00angeLos said...
The defense rested because there w...angeLos said...<br />The defense rested because there was nothing more to say ... they blew it..., and CM in the first place.<br /><br />And to assume CM was not the bad guy is very strange, because, of course TW was the bad guy, but CM was at the same level, even worse if you ask me.<br /><br />3:40 PM, April 23, 2011[end quote]<br /><br />Nr Poirot replies:<br /><br />Charlie asked several people to commit dirty deeds prior to TLB. All said no. Charlie had been testing the waters and no one met the job qualifications.<br /><br />Charlie has stated that after Tex swallowed telache that he was never in his right mind again. <br /><br />Charlie knew by Aug 8, 69 that Tex had mentally degenerated sufficiently so as to commit murder if ordered to.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-89718849716792216402011-04-23T15:40:40.653-07:002011-04-23T15:40:40.653-07:00The defense rested because there was nothing more ...The defense rested because there was nothing more to say ... they blew it..., and CM in the first place.<br /><br />And to assume CM was not the bad guy is very strange, because, of course TW was the bad guy, but CM was at the same level, even worse if you ask me.angeLoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01318721769149674685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-90029165390199043942011-04-23T10:35:04.194-07:002011-04-23T10:35:04.194-07:00It is not unethical or wrong to not call certain w...It is not unethical or wrong to not call certain witnesses. You try not to overly complicate a case that was already very complicated. VB is a damn good attorney. Charles was not fortunate when he took over the case, but them's the breaks... Maybe it was Charles' karma at work.<br /><br />I think VB really believed CM was behind these murders and he did his best to get a convuction that would not. be overturned on appeal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-21425473746403942692011-04-21T15:54:37.672-07:002011-04-21T15:54:37.672-07:00Marliese-
I am not a recruiter for any site- I li...Marliese-<br /><br />I am not a recruiter for any site- I like them all, and spend equal time in reading most of them...<br /><br />But this was my first, and you told me about Truth on TLB ( Kat's site) site- and I joined there on your advice...<br /><br />I would like to suggest one for you :)<br /><br />http://lynyrd-skynyrds-manson-family-forum.blogspot.com/?zx=be05bc34da01c324 <br /><br />you might like talking about the case there...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-74653835846714782522011-04-20T21:59:36.137-07:002011-04-20T21:59:36.137-07:00Just wondering...does anyone know whatever happene...Just wondering...does anyone know whatever happened to Rosina?Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-88167289296780310992011-04-20T20:48:53.207-07:002011-04-20T20:48:53.207-07:00Charlie was continually let go from arrests becaus...Charlie was continually let go from arrests because he was perceived as just a crazy little man. No one thought he should be taken seriously. No one outside of the Family ever concluded that Manson was capable of anything as violent as the TLB murders. Not even Melcher and Jacobson ever had an inkling of Charlie was about even though Charlie had threatened both of them and had been at Cielo.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-55829484723222515062011-04-20T19:01:53.528-07:002011-04-20T19:01:53.528-07:00I was an Orange Sunshine boy in the 70's too M...I was an Orange Sunshine boy in the 70's too Matt. But these folk ate the stuff like Pez. And like Timothy Leary said, it's all set and setting. It isn't just the chemical altering of the mind, it is what takes place while in that altered state. The Garbage People weren't watching Fantasia and such. They were being taught by the Evilmeister himself.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-90672677505986503082011-04-20T14:32:06.434-07:002011-04-20T14:32:06.434-07:00Yeah Marliese- It is a bit contradictory ...
I kn...Yeah Marliese- It is a bit contradictory ...<br /><br />I know that- and that is the only reason why I give any credence at all to the people who talk conspiracy and MK ultra and all that other stuff- that normally I would laugh off..<br /><br />He was constantly in jail as a kid- and has been in jail ever since TLB- <br /><br />Ah... but the summer of love- and then going forward<br /><br /> in the time he was out- and in the environment he was in- he had to be a known trouble maker- and despite the fact that he kept violating parole- over and over- they kept letting him go????<br /><br />It really doesn't make much sense... unless " They" put him back where he belonged after he served his purpose...<br /><br />That is a stretch- And I dont buy the conspiracy stuff-<br /><br />But I still cannot come up with better reason why they kept letting Charlie loose- when he was in so many cases in such blatant violation of his parole...<br /><br />They were looking back then for answers to how society could produce children capable of such things...<br /><br />today we would be examining a system that would allow for a guy like Charlie to be around these children in the first place...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-79663429325636143542011-04-20T10:55:56.693-07:002011-04-20T10:55:56.693-07:00Not sure what you mean, St. Circumstance. He spen...Not sure what you mean, St. Circumstance. He spent most of his life locked up...juvenile detention and reform schools, jails, big time prison. He was just out after several years at Terminal Island. Nothing like conspiracy to murder...still, he knew...Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-13381011926682750772011-04-20T09:25:26.584-07:002011-04-20T09:25:26.584-07:00The Acid thing never made sense to me either from ...The Acid thing never made sense to me either from personal experience- but when I read they did speed- that made perfect sense for What they did...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-28116630869334761392011-04-20T09:24:32.813-07:002011-04-20T09:24:32.813-07:00wasn't held in jail was what I meant - not arr...wasn't held in jail was what I meant - not arrested- obviously he was constantly arrested...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-70888932446659165692011-04-20T09:05:29.952-07:002011-04-20T09:05:29.952-07:00Charlie was arrested so many times- and even while...Charlie was arrested so many times- and even while on probation they picked him up over and over- from rape to possession, to stealing- he never stayed in Jail...<br /><br />in the case of TLB- he didn't even personally kill anyone- so why would he figure things would change then??<br /><br />If he didn't get arrested when he did participate in crime- why should he worry when he didn't participate???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com