tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post115093443843048021..comments2023-11-03T03:18:55.138-07:00Comments on Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: My Life With Charles Manson Chapter the TenthColScotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-55272672192851112202015-09-18T19:34:22.897-07:002015-09-18T19:34:22.897-07:00Heaven said...
"Susan stood by her sto...Heaven said...<br /><br /> <br /><br />"Susan stood by her story of killing Sharon for 22 years.. Then one day she decided to start saying she didn't do it.."<br /><br /><br />Not true. Before she went to the grand jury in December '69 {in interviews with Richard Caballero, Paul Caruso and Vincent Bugliosi} <i>and</i> during her grand jury testimony she said she hadn't killed Sharon. It was to Nancy Jordon, Virginia Graham & Ronnie Howard that she said she stabbed Sharon. Then during the penalty phase when lies and more lies were the order of the day, she said she'd killed Sharon but by 1977 when she'd become a Christian, she reverted back to her December '69 "it was Tex" position, from which she never again departed. Tex told Diane Lake back in '69 that he'd done it and also at trial and ever since.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151078228615607932006-06-23T08:57:00.000-07:002006-06-23T08:57:00.000-07:00Yepyep said... >>>>From what I've read it took Les...Yepyep said... <BR/>>>>>From what I've read it took Leslie about 5 years and allegedly it took Patricia 18 years to start thinking for themselves and drop Manson's philosophies.<<<<BR/><BR/>It would be amazing to me if indeed Patricia didn't separate herself until 18 years later, which would be somewhere in the late 80's. I say that in light of her interview with Diane Sawyer in 1994; her stance on Manson and her days with the family didn't seem like something she could have just come up with within a few years. She was VERY clear, firm, and eloquent in describing her disgust with Manson. Not saying it's impossible it just surprises me that after almost 20 years of remaining loyal, she could be so firm in her reversal with just a few years of separation. I guess jail can do things to ya though. <BR/><BR/>>>>I can't remember when he found Jesus 'cause I don't give a shit LOL<<<<<BR/><BR/>LOL yepyep you made me projectile orange juice out of my nostrils! :)agnostic monkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15365480481563425308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151050643081250342006-06-23T01:17:00.000-07:002006-06-23T01:17:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Yepyephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13728339046545930744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151032664153998182006-06-22T20:17:00.000-07:002006-06-22T20:17:00.000-07:00I know this is a late jump in, but as one of the C...I know this is a late jump in, but as one of the COl's freak aka onion, I thought I would put in my 2 cents.<BR/><BR/>I think the Monk was onto something. I think core family members had special talents. Those talents were exploited by Manson and used for the benefit of the family. It was, jmo, a symbiotic relationship. Because of their talents, Manson made them feel like they were his number 2.Dokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11235011420648512760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151022579343641452006-06-22T17:29:00.000-07:002006-06-22T17:29:00.000-07:00That's why I said, take it for what it's worth lol...That's why I said, take it for what it's worth lol<BR/><BR/>Personally I think Davis should be released... He may have been at Gary's when Manson sliced off his ear, but he wasn't there for the murder...<BR/><BR/>As for Shorty, no one seems to be owning up to who did the actual killing.. But my money's on Tex, he seemed to have a knack for it.Heavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391086783053721287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151021791042554092006-06-22T17:16:00.000-07:002006-06-22T17:16:00.000-07:00Here's something, take it for whatever you feel it...Here's something, take it for whatever you feel it's worth...<BR/><BR/>http://www.charliemanson.com/news-archive/news-2004-04-04.htm<BR/><BR/>"But Davis ran the ranch when Manson was away, said Stephen Kay, who helped prosecute Davis and Manson.<BR/><BR/>"A lot of people think Tex Watson was his chief lieutenant because Tex Watson was the main killer on the night of the Tate-LaBianca murders," Kay said. "But that's not true. Watson was much lower on the totem pole."<BR/><BR/>Former Manson follower Barbara Hoyt agreed in a recent letter to the state parole board, saying Davis wanted to be a leader."<BR/><BR/>Course Davis'lawyer says that's not true, but he's kinda paid to say things like that lolHeavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391086783053721287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151021411091435152006-06-22T17:10:00.000-07:002006-06-22T17:10:00.000-07:00Heaven said... >>>catscradle77 said... No problem,...Heaven said... <BR/>>>>catscradle77 said... <BR/>No problem, and we agree on this one, on Paul..I vote that Paul is full of shitaki mushrooms... <BR/>I think he's sure full of something... lol<<<<BR/><BR/>I've said this before; sometimes I get the sense that Paul isn't necessarily lying (although maybe he is) but that he really did enjoy the attention he recieved once the trial was underway. Maybe he wanted to be a rock star and he foolishly thought getting some exposure from the trial and the Manson documentary would gain interest in his music.<BR/><BR/>He didn't seem phoney to me in the Manson doc as much as he seemed kinda all "How's my hair look? Can we move that light?"agnostic monkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15365480481563425308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151020868107727702006-06-22T17:01:00.000-07:002006-06-22T17:01:00.000-07:00Maybe Paul was seeking his 15 minutes of fame....I...Maybe Paul was seeking his 15 minutes of fame....<BR/><BR/>In the big scheme of things, Paul was really a no body who tried to make himself out to be a somebody...Heavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391086783053721287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151020618284066322006-06-22T16:56:00.001-07:002006-06-22T16:56:00.001-07:00catscradle77 said... No problem, and we agree on t...catscradle77 said... <BR/>No problem, and we agree on this one, on Paul..I vote that Paul is full of shitaki mushrooms... <BR/><BR/><BR/>I think he's sure full of something... lolHeavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391086783053721287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151020587219764202006-06-22T16:56:00.000-07:002006-06-22T16:56:00.000-07:00Monk hon, check your email=)Monk hon, check your email<BR/><BR/>=)Heavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391086783053721287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151020435125753842006-06-22T16:53:00.000-07:002006-06-22T16:53:00.000-07:00No problem..I just hope you know that most of what...No problem..<BR/><BR/>I just hope you know that most of what I'm saying is just my own observations and I'm not trying to pass anything off as facts...<BR/><BR/>=)Heavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391086783053721287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151020158262919682006-06-22T16:49:00.000-07:002006-06-22T16:49:00.000-07:00catscradle77 said... Cool thanks Heaven..is there ...catscradle77 said... <BR/>Cool thanks Heaven..is there more anywhere? <BR/><BR/>Yeah, it pops up in other sites.. <BR/><BR/>http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/manson/mansontestimony-w.htmlHeavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391086783053721287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151020081245100092006-06-22T16:48:00.000-07:002006-06-22T16:48:00.000-07:00catscradle77 said... Heaven:That was after the arr...catscradle77 said... <BR/>Heaven:<BR/>That was after the arrests, so I think they were pretty much on their own.<BR/>After the murders, some members left.. After the arrests, the number of actual members got smaller and smaller... <BR/><BR/>>>But Davis pops up from the sewers for the Manson film..and that I think is where he is seen wearing the vest... <BR/><BR/><BR/>No, he wasn't wearing the vest...<BR/><BR/>Not if you're referring to this...<BR/><BR/>http://youtube.com/watch?v=WvZ9v9-7iEk<BR/><BR/>=)Heavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391086783053721287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151019617664245112006-06-22T16:40:00.000-07:002006-06-22T16:40:00.000-07:00http://www.2violent.com/paul.htmlhttp://www.2violent.com/paul.htmlHeavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391086783053721287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151019414748246582006-06-22T16:36:00.000-07:002006-06-22T16:36:00.000-07:00catscradle77 said... Heaven said:At one point, the...catscradle77 said... <BR/>Heaven said:<BR/>At one point, the family turned on Paul, they even tried to kill him... I think it was right before he was about to testify...<BR/><BR/>Davis got out of Dodge before anyone could get him on the stand.. Paul went to the police with Brooks and that other guy, I forget his name... No one had to hunt Paul down, he strolled in of his on accord....<BR/><BR/>>>But Davis popped up and was in the Manson movie...so really at any point the po-po's couldve gone to the Ranch and found him too..<BR/><BR/>Paul was a rat...the trailer burned..but yet, didnt he stay in California, where anyone could find him??? So, to me that shows he really wasn't fearful because of what he was testifying to..also, that footage of him talking his stoned crap, was it filmed at the Ranch within earshot of people? <BR/><BR/><BR/>If you have never read Pauls book before, the installments the Col is posting will get more interesting... He leaves out A LOT of his testimony... He leaves out a lot of the family turning on him...<BR/><BR/>It's like he only tells half the story...Heavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391086783053721287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151019045705613262006-06-22T16:30:00.000-07:002006-06-22T16:30:00.000-07:00catscradle77 said... Heaven said:Davis stood loyal...catscradle77 said... <BR/>Heaven said:<BR/>Davis stood loyal to Manson for a long time....<BR/><BR/>I think he only stood loyal until 1974-then he found God...how long did Sadie, Leslie, Pat and Tex stay loyal? <BR/><BR/>Susan stood by her story of killing Sharon for 22 years.. Then one day she decided to start saying she didn't do it..<BR/><BR/>According to her, Davis was the one who helped her find God, sometime in the mid 70's...<BR/><BR/>As for Tex, Leslie and Patricia.. I don't know when they finally stopped being loyal.. Maybe after they got tired of being in prison and thought that if they said they were no longer loyal to Manson, they'd get out...<BR/>I dunno....<BR/><BR/>=)Heavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391086783053721287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151018815098487752006-06-22T16:26:00.000-07:002006-06-22T16:26:00.000-07:00catscradle77 said... Heaven said:I wasn't there, I...catscradle77 said... <BR/>Heaven said:<BR/>I wasn't there, I'm mostly going by what Manson himself, and some of the girls, had said...<BR/><BR/>>>Girls, meaning more than one? Who said it...<BR/><BR/>None of the girls came out and specifically said "Davis is #2"..<BR/>It's hard to explain... Lemme re-word it.. I'm basing my thoughts on what I've read and things I've watched to what only seems logical to me.<BR/><BR/>At one point, the family turned on Paul, they even tried to kill him... I think it was right before he was about to testify...<BR/><BR/>Davis got out of Dodge before anyone could get him on the stand.. Paul went to the police with Brooks and that other guy, I forget his name... No one had to hunt Paul down, he strolled in of his on accord....<BR/><BR/>Davis stayed loyal, Paul was a rat...<BR/><BR/>I dunno, I just don't think Paul was ever number 2.. That's just my opinion...<BR/><BR/>=)Heavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391086783053721287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151018637107648562006-06-22T16:23:00.000-07:002006-06-22T16:23:00.000-07:00catscradle77 said... >>>Paul testified to the HS-g...catscradle77 said... <BR/>>>>Paul testified to the HS-got to be his mantra...did he get paraded through the other trials like Linda did?<<<<BR/><BR/>I dont think so, because HS was needed to nail Manson. Linda was included on the list of witnesses in the subsequent trials because of her valuable testimony placing the killers at the murder scenes. Didn't need to prove HS once Manson was convicted.<BR/><BR/>That's just a guess on my part.agnostic monkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15365480481563425308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151018394441961572006-06-22T16:19:00.000-07:002006-06-22T16:19:00.000-07:00Heaven said... >>>Hell, maybe they were all #2, wh...Heaven said... <BR/>>>>Hell, maybe they were all #2, who knows LOL<<<<BR/><BR/>LOL, well one of the most interesting things (to me) is the jockeying for power/attention/approval and the internal politics within the group.<BR/><BR/>As much as these people wanted to believe they were a special group, so different from the "corrupt" outside world of money, ego and mind games, they really were just another clique with their own interpersonal clashes and conflicts.agnostic monkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15365480481563425308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151018279915030622006-06-22T16:17:00.000-07:002006-06-22T16:17:00.000-07:00Davis popped up out of the sewers on Manson's orde...Davis popped up out of the sewers on Manson's orders, he turned himself in and has never seen freedom again..<BR/><BR/>Paul (being the loyal soldier that a #2 man would be) fed the world the Helter Skelter fairytale and ratted out his beloved hero...<BR/><BR/>Davis stood loyal to Manson for a long time....<BR/><BR/>Most people think Tex was #2 because he killed for Manson.. Manson said he sent out those that were expendable to him. Meaning if some thing was to happen to one of them, no biggie.Heavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391086783053721287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151018106131726202006-06-22T16:15:00.000-07:002006-06-22T16:15:00.000-07:00Hell, maybe they were all #2, who knows LOLHell, maybe they were all #2, who knows LOLHeavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391086783053721287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151018008236522832006-06-22T16:13:00.000-07:002006-06-22T16:13:00.000-07:00catscradle77 said... Bruce was at Gary's, didn't d...catscradle77 said... <BR/><BR/>Bruce was at Gary's, didn't do anything, Shorty-well ya had Clem, Bruce and Tex in the car-Clem and Bruce got popped for Shorty but Tex didn't...(so Bruce wasn't the only call to help with Shorty)..TJ was at Crowe's not Bruce???<BR/><BR/>Okay-what orders did Bruce give when Charlie was away?? As to wearing of the vest-maybe it was cuz Bruce maybe was the next oldest after Manson??? <BR/><BR/>I agree that Bruce didn't do anything at Gary's, but if Paul was his right hand man, why wouldn't he bring him? Paul was good at getting fresh girls, that was about it...<BR/><BR/>Bruce was there again for Manson during the Shorty murder, where was Paul if he was #2?<BR/><BR/>From what I understand, NO ONE wore Manson's vest, but Manson himself. I read where he was very anal about that. But he gave permission to Bruce to wear it in his absence..<BR/><BR/>As for orders? I dunno, whatever he wanted done I suppose...<BR/><BR/>I wasn't there, I'm mostly going by what Manson himself, and some of the girls, had said...<BR/><BR/>=)Heavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391086783053721287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151017929649145922006-06-22T16:12:00.001-07:002006-06-22T16:12:00.001-07:00Heaven said... >>>Some of the girls said Davis was...Heaven said... <BR/>>>>Some of the girls said Davis was in charge when Manson was away. Only place you read that Paul was, is in Pauls book. I think Paul was trying to be a legend in his own mind...<<<<BR/><BR/>Sounds like Charlie had a way of making EVERYONE feel special. Didn't Tex feel like #2 as well? Squeaks was #2 on other fronts. Sandy was special and she apparently knows everything there is to know about everything. Everyone's egos seem wrapped up in it.agnostic monkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15365480481563425308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151017739199732542006-06-22T16:08:00.000-07:002006-06-22T16:08:00.000-07:00catscradle77 said... And, then who was in command ...catscradle77 said... <BR/>And, then who was in command during the time Bruce was living the sewers??? <BR/><BR/><BR/>That was after the arrests, so I think they were pretty much on their own.<BR/>After the murders, some members left.. After the arrests, the number of actual members got smaller and smaller...Heavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391086783053721287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14352935.post-1151017631013983612006-06-22T16:07:00.000-07:002006-06-22T16:07:00.000-07:00No no no lolBarbara didn't say he was 2nd in comma...No no no lol<BR/>Barbara didn't say he was 2nd in command, she said he was more vicious than Tex..<BR/><BR/>I think (but I'm not positive) that it was Manson who said Bruce was the #2 man...Heavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391086783053721287noreply@blogger.com